I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
The same people who forged the Niger documents.
When do we get to say "we told you so" about everything?
"When do we get to say "we told you so" about everything?"
We are. Unfortunatley, US media, and politicians are silent.
People know. This stuff spreads word of mouth. I tell anyone who will listen. They tell someone else, so on , so on.
We're screaming "we told you so" at the top of our lungs... the problem is that the Administration and the numerous pundits who love it so much are coming up with these wonderful statements like "Saddam was the WMD!", or the Shrub saying that those hydrogen trucks were mobile weapons labs.
Put that together with the fact that the media would rather hype the new Harry Potter book, how many letters Scott Peterson gets in jail, Ashton Kutcher's love life, or the latest reality TV show... and you have a recipe for ignorance, just add the American public.
STUPID SID'S FIND WRITING
WHAT A FUCKING DOPE
(FROM AN AMUSING REVIEW IN CITY JOURNAL OF SID THE SHARK'S UNINTENTIONALLY FUNNY BOOK)
Here he is recalling Hillary Clinton’s decision to run for the Senate, doing his hilarious impression of a twittering West Wing sycophant: “She was, like millions of others, drawn to the greatest city of all. (She discovered that her Rodham ancestor from England had landed on Ellis Island.) Her running there could not but flatter New Yorkers’ self-conception. Hillary had spent eight years in Washington. She was shaking those ‘little town blues.’ Now it was time for Broadway.”
Blumenthal also presents his zany overview of history, past and future: “Just as the presidents of the late 20th century operated in the shadow of F.D.R., those of the first part of the 21st century will stand in the shadow of Clinton.” Then there are his pages of ludicrously self-referential photos, including one of Sidney with Hillary and a bust of George Washington.
Among other blind spots is the vexed issue of Bill’s alleged indiscretions, which Hillary dismisses as agitprop by diabolical foes jealous of her husband’s Christlike aspiration to transform earthly life. Hillary and her advisers have yet to realise that her indifference or malice towards aggrieved working women like Juanita Broaddrick (who claims to have been injured by Bill in an Arkansas hotel room) compromises her status as a proponent of women’s rights, as enunciated in her 1995 speech against sexual violence at the UN World Conference on Women in Beijing. Hillary’s studied avoidance of Broaddrick’s allegations simply strengthens the Clintons’ myriad right-wing enemies, who have taken up Broaddrick’s cause.
But this is only one of many evasions and erasures in the book, which would need a line-by-line Talmudic commentary in the margins to supply all the needed corrections and amplifications. Numerous scandals are given short shrift or go unmentioned: we hear nothing, for example, of Bill’s end-of-office pardons (in which Hillary’s own brother was involved) or the flap over the Clintons’ trucking away of White House furniture, which had to be returned. When Hillary’s missing billing records from the Rose Law Firm, which were long sought by prosecutors, mysteriously turn up in an office near her White House bedroom, she vaguely blames it all on a hapless assistant.
Over here! Laci Peterson's fetus
(cough cough LyingHypocriticalWhoreSaysWhat? cough cough)
And, let's not forget why we're being distracted:
Bush is Lying.
People are Dying.
Anonymous - Up late last night watching the Clinton Chronicles?
.
By now everyone has proably heard how the White House edited the latest EPA report.
You know, to remove nasty little things about Greenhouse effects and SUV's adding to the problem.
I found this article;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
theiss...,391051,00.html
Global warming
New research claims that global warming wiped out 95% of the Earth's species 250 million years ago, and it could happen again over the next 100 years. Simon Jeffery explains what's behind global warming.
Friday June 20, 2003
What is global warming?
Global warming is a theory put forward by some scientists and climate specialists, which says the earth is rapidly heating up because of industrial pollution.
Why would that lead to catastrophe?
Bristol University researchers say their studies show that a global temperature increase of 6C was enough to wipe out up to 95% of the species alive on Earth at the end of the Permian period, 250 million years ago.
United Nations scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have predicted a global 6C increase over the next 100 years as a worst case scenario if nothing is done about greenhouse gas emissions (1.5C to 4.5C is the more cautious estimate).
What happened 250 million years ago?
Conditions in this "post-apocalyptic greenhouse" were so severe that only one large land animal species survived, and it took 100 million years for species diversity to return to former levels, according to Bristol University's head of earth sciences, Professor Michael Benton.
What else could happen?
The worst possible situation forecast by scientists is the "runaway greenhouse effect", which would see all the factors that cause global warming eventually overriding the factors that work against it.
Rising temperatures would see rising sea levels as polar ice sheets melt. There are also fears that the Arctic tundra would begin to melt. Organic matter stored in the ice would be oxidised, which could release huge amounts of carbon dioxide and methane.
The melting of the Arctic ice cap would also reduce the amount of solar radiation the planet reflects, allowing more heat to be trapped.
But provided we avoid the worst, we will have better weather, won't we?
Global warming does not mean northern Europeans will automatically enjoy a Mediterranean climate. Extreme weather is driven by heat, and if the Atlantic heats up around the British Isles, we can expect more severe storms. Global warming will also lead to increased rainfall in north-west Europe.
The article goes on and is mostly European related, though the same effects will take place around the world.
Another rat leaves the ship. Whitman is leaving the EPA on June 27. Anyone starting to waonder, how many of these people are, a. trying to avoid jail time, or b. fear there will be no job in 2005? or c. all of the above?
After our superb intelligence community figures out who forged the documents linking Galloway to Saddam, they can work on the forged nuclear weapons link to Niger.
Start by asking the question: "Who benefits from this?"
Amish Rake Fighter - It's said that when W finishes revising the reporting requirements for unemployment, we'll discover that we have been in an economic boom all along.
Holy shit, 5:30 in the morning postings, we are about to scare the shit out of some people who don't think we can beat Fox News.
Jonesy, I start "work" at 5:00am, which includes my visit to Eschaton, so don't be so surprised :-D
[[[ The same people who forged the Niger documents. ]]]
Yep: France.
"Who benefits from this?"
France.
Slimy Bill - It seems you've been listening a little too much to Rush and Right Wing Radio or are still working on that trademark sense of conservative humor that no one but fellow conservatives appreciate.
Hunh?
By the way, remember that story about HORRIBLE BOEING EXECUTIVES trying to fight Washington State's unemployment tax?
LOCAL UNIONS WANT THE TAX REDUCED...
http://
seattletimes.nwsource.com...ployment05.html
...OR THEY MIGHT LOSE ALL OF THE JOBS
http://
seattletimes.nwsource.com...e7states20.html
The CSM documents are not the most important ones proving Galloway was getting oil money from Saddam - the Telegraph has an entirely different set of documents, which are NOT forgeries. Try reading the entire articles which you cite:
"After examining copies of two pages of the Daily Telegraph's documents linking Galloway with the Hussein regime, Mneimneh pronounces them consistent, unlike their Monitor counterparts, with authentic Iraqi documents he has seen."
Yes, for Galloway, opposition to the liberation of Iraq was definitely "all about the oil". What astounding hypocrisy. And you people fell for it.
Slimy Walter - Flap that right arm when you post so we can recognize the name you using to post.
Come off it Walter, the Telegraph documents aren't real either. Neither was the Zinoviev letter. Harold Wilson really was bugged by MI5. When will rightwingers learn that actually the left does have a monopoly on truth?
Scott Peterson, hell!! Who did nab them Harry Potter books?
I'm personally deeply touched by the right's ongoing concern for the victims of rape, as evidenced by their bleeding heart concerns for poor poor Juanita Broaddrick. It's just so touching. Like how their steely eyed commander had no choice but to liberate, liberate I tell you, those poor Afghani women from their burkas. I'm glad to see how many committed feminists there are on the right.
And to think all this time, I just thought the Republicans were heartless, money-fixated, scandal-mongering bastards.
Whew, is that ever a relief.
Now who did steal them there Harry Potter books (and can ya get me a copy today?)?
However, the Monitor's documents were different in many details from those of the Daily Telegraph, and came from a different source. Monitor contract reporter Philip Smucker obtained them from an Iraqi general, who in turn said he had captured them after his men shot their way into a home once used by Qusay Hussein.
...
On May 11, a report in the British paper The Mail on Sunday disputed the authenticity of documents obtained from the same source as the Monitor's documents. The Mail's article said its writer had purchased other documents from the general alleging payoffs to Galloway. Those documents, unlike the Monitor's, included purported Galloway signatures.
And no the CMS has not determined that the documents were forged. They have determined one set were forged. Big difference. Maybe Eschaton readers should ask the obvious question, why would Atrios lie?
Look! There's a Dean meetup! Let's go call Rethuglicans names!
Saddam was responsible for 911.
Saddam is a card carrying member of Al Qaeda.
Clinton told Bush Saddam used to have weapons of mass destruction. Gullible George got scared and despite assurances to the contrary ordered an attack on Iraq because he just couldn't get anything else done with the US facing an imminent attack.
So, Walter Crowning Turd On The Wing-Nut Cake, why aren't the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) laying charges agains Mr Galloway, hmm? After all, if the charges are true, he's broken the law several times over... And why didn't Labour include the charges in order to expell him from the Labour party (proceedings are going on at the moment to do so, but only for his "wolves" comments)?
And whilst an alternative argument could be made that why doesn't Galloway sue the Telegraph, well he didn't sue over the admittedly false CM documents either... so the onus is on YOU to prove the worth of the first documents still, I'm afraid. But in the hands of somoene SO COMPETENT to seperate forgeries from truth, I'm sure you'll do Nigerfically here, won't you Walter?
(And to the Slimy Shitty Filling in the Cronkite-Crap-Cake, the Niger forged documents were from the ITALIAN intelligence services, you dolt.)
I propose we extend yesterday's paradigm to today.
After all, the mbfs never have anything to say that hasn't been vetted by mbf central in Rove's office.
Let’s consider, a moment, the tortured lives of wingnuts. They are incapable of thought but that of the Clenis™. Their obsession prevents them from living normal lives or even of engaging in useful debate. Can any of us know what they must be going through, their shackled minds crying for help in each of their poisoned posts?
To them, every trivial utterance by the former first family is a conspiracy, every good act mask a subversive intent. They are projecting, of course, but they’ve built a prison around their cognitive souls and they’re unable to find their way out. What can we do for these wingnuts, these dittoheads, these brownshirt fucks?
Let us join together in prayer on their behalf:
Dear God, forgive your servant Walter, Slimy Bill, Anonymous and all our guests who engage in lies, unfounded rumors and prevarication. Cast the scales from their eyes. Let them see the light of reason and free their minds from the chains of RNC talking points. Allow them to recognize facts and to place them in some regime of sound logic. Let the hate drain from their souls. Help them be as Moses in service to you and their people. Let them be as Jesus in his concern for his fellow man. Guide them as you guided your servant Mohammad. Gain them peace as you did the Buddha. Release them from the mental duckpit that enslaves them. Do this so they may avoid the eternal duckpit that is the sure reward of their acts. Do this for us, the poor sinners of the Eschaton community, so they will stop spilling their poison around us.
Your humble servants,
Amen.
Oh just one set of forged documents. I see. Like it was "just a few pots" stolen from those museums.
Nothing to worry about,folks. Move along now.
Look -- it's Scott Peterson!
since we're running amok off-topic, anyone feel the Hate Machine gearing up to target Canada?
The radio was playing a clip of Santorum (the politician, not the recently approved word from Dan Savage) saying that taxpayers pay for the research for the world, and countries like Canada are taking a free ride.
What with France evacuating Americans from Liberia and sending troops to the Congo, I guess it's hard to maintain a significant level of hate against the French.
All those reefer-smoking homos with their cheap drugs and universal health-care. Not to mention the much lower crime and racism. What a hell hole! Damn them Canucks! Let's invade 'em!
Mission accomplished.
"After examining copies of two pages of the Daily Telegraph's documents linking Galloway with the Hussein regime, Mneimneh pronounces them consistent, unlike their Monitor counterparts, with authentic Iraqi documents he has seen."
Let's see, so if there were real documents, why would there be forgeries?
And isn't the intended purpose of forgeries to be "consistent" with actual documents?
Cronkite, you are a jackass and will now be ignored.
Analysts seeking clues to the forger behind the documents said that he was probably not a native Arab speaker. Said one, "There were many ungrammatical constructions. For instance, one document asks, 'is our double agents spying?' while another has Saddam saying, 'the Zionists misunderestimated me.'" The crudity of the errors suggests to analysts that the forger is a low-grade sociopath with a reckless contempt for the intelligence of the press and public.
"Either that, or he's a complete moron," added one analyst. "Maybe both."
Go Santorum, go!! At what point will the mindless little weasel (known as Senator Stupid to all of DC) realize that he just stuck his foot directly in it.
Because he just confirmed the claims of the left against the pharm industry. Yep, we pay for those "risky" developments, and then we turn around and pay again for their outrageous marketing expenses and executive jets. Just to buy our own fucking drugs.
sorry to divert like various other wingnut spammers and trolls, but just wondering if anyone else saw alterman on scarborough county last night.
i just thought it was funny, when joe predictably referred to that bullshit poll which supposedly shows that all the washington press corps are democrats, alterman asks him if he actually read his book. scarborough admits he didn't, then alterman says "well, if you had made it to chapter two, you'd see that i totally debunk that poll".
i just thought that was funny. conservatives really don't read, do they?
Targeting Canada would be silly.
Why? It's not like France, that always has had a bad reputation..it's..it's..CANADA..you know, the place with all the people that everybody likes?
Santorum may be talking about medical R&D, and yes, Americans are being taken for a ride...and you know something? That's capitalism. Like it or do something about it.
Yeah, just like ya'll misunderestimated me!
By the way, remember that story about HORRIBLE BOEING EXECUTIVES trying to fight Washington State's unemployment tax?
Ummmmm....doesn't this still make the Boeing executives horrible? The unions only want to lower the unemployment insurance because the executives want to operate with the lowest possible expenses--they would get rid of minimum wage if they could.
Corporate ethics are sort of like water: they level out at the lowest possible height.
Aaaannnnddyyyyyy! Oh, Aaandy!
How many times do we have to tell you? There is no link between Al Qaeda and Iraq!
The crudity of the errors suggests to analysts that the forger is a low-grade sociopath with a reckless contempt for the intelligence of the press and public.
There has to be position at the WH, the RNC, or the Committee to Steal Another Election for this person.
PNAC,
You wrote:
"And no the CMS has not determined that the documents were forged. They have determined one set were forged. Big difference. Maybe Eschaton readers should ask the obvious question, why would Atrios lie?
Look! There's a Dean meetup! Let's go call Rethuglicans names!"
Atrios made no comment about the second set of documents. His post focused soley on the documents received by CSM and his point was that there ought to be an investigation into who forged them.
Mmm... first paragraph from PNAC's ULTIMATE PROOF includes;
"could provide"
"the possible link"
Second paragraph;
"linked by the administration"
Third;
"several observers say"
Fourth;
"a terrorism-financing expert closely monitoring Iraq said on condition of anonymity."
And then comes THE BIG REVELATION:
"Among Iraq's oil customers since 1997 is a Liechtenstein-based company called Galp International Trading Establishment"
which
"....chose as its legal representative in Liechtenstein — a tax haven known for hosting thousands of shell companies — a company called Asat Trust, according to Liechtenstein business records."
That's right you damned lefty fools! Someone buying oil FROM Saddam, then invested MONEY in a company WITH links to Terrorism. Which proves that SADDAM has ties with AL QUEDA. Although there's no concrete evidence of that, it's still CONCLUSIVE PROOF.
Just like if I buy a car from PNAC, and then use it to TAXI SOMEONE to an AIRPORT where that third person THEN DOES SOMETHING NAUGHTY there, that PROVES CONCLUSIVELY THAT PNAC HAD TIES TO THAT EVENTUAL CRIME.
Or maybe it proves that PNAC doesn't have a f*~king clue about standards of evidence and logic.
>LOCAL UNIONS WANT THE TAX REDUCED
No, two Boeing unions want to compromise. The state umbrella unions are dead set against it. Read your own links.
The Boeing union rep got it right: "Other people in labor say, 'Why compromise if Boeing is going to leave anyway?'" This is the divide-and-rule, race-to-the-bottom strategy that Republican forces have been following for decades. Labor is hopefully wising up.
And = "(CBS) An Iraqi connection with the Sept. 11 attacks is far from proven, but U.S. officials say they are following several tantalizing leads,"
Well, I'm convinced. Just as I was with the Prague 'lead', which is still being used, even though THE CZECH AUTHORITIES SAY IT'S BOLLOCKS.
Iraq = Details of a lawsuit (so it MUST be sensible then) which alledges;
"It relies in part on a newspaper article published July 21, 2001, in Al Nasiriyah, 185 miles southwest of Baghdad. The law firm provided The Associated Press with a copy of the article written in Arabic and an English translation.
According to the lawsuit, a columnist writing under the byline Naeem Abd Muhalhal described bin Laden thinking "seriously, with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert, about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House." "
So someone IN Iraq comments on what SOMEONE ELSE outside of Iraq might be thinking, and therefore THE RULERS OF IRAQ are connected with TERRORISM.
And then there's some more unsubstantiated rumors about possible "links".
Hey PNAC; You didn't sue MacDonalds did you a few years back? Something about being TOO DAMN STUPID to realise not to hold hot coffee between your legs, which means McD's MUST BE RESPONSIBLE for your burning yourself? Because only the TRUTH is proved in a court of law, right?
You muppet.
It's truly amazing how many "documents" have been left behind by Saddam and Osama followers.
It seems that these Islamo-fascists,
the designers of some of the world's most destructive weapons, have yet to conquer the mysteries of fire.
Bwahahahahahahaha..
Some people have no lives.. I only wish I had time to troll like that.. Must be nice having so much idle time and to do something really constructive with it..
Not like that time could be better spent..
I have a feeling some people in the future are going to look back at all that squandered time spent trolling and wish they had it back..
Life is fleeting.
IF IT WEREN'T FOR TEH SCLM TEH MORONIC BROWNSHIRT REPUG FUCKS WOULD BE IN TEH DUCKS PIT!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Atrios made no comment about the second set of documents. His post focused soley on the documents received by CSM and his point was that there ought to be an investigation into who forged them.
David, for your sake I hope you are a troll who likes blowing smoke and not really that stupid. The question Atrios poses is who would forge these papers? If the other papers are not forged then everybody will treat them differently and they have a separate interest. They will entertain the same interest they've enjoyed since their discovery. We will read with fascination all about what they say and what they mean. No real point in talking about them until they make their way into an indictment or become material in an investigation or cited in a report now is there? But the ones Atrios mentions have immediate interest because they were recently found to be forgeries. Can you see why they be topical? Who did it and who do they represent? Can you see why an independent actor may want to consider this question? Speak up, David, and grant the legitimacy of the post or identify yourself as the troll I believe you to be.
Hooray for Joe Eschaton!
I want Amish Rake Fighter back. When he careens wildly off subject, he makes a point:
Bristol University researchers say their studies show that a global temperature increase of 6C was enough to wipe out up to 95% of the species alive on Earth at the end of the Permian period, 250 million years ago.
GWB as a longtime resident of the Permian Basin knows that when you kill off 95% of the species on earth they get squished under rocks and turn into: OIL.
Global warming is all about the oil!
We are lead to believe that DOD and State knew of the Niger document's falseness, but the word did not get to Bush on time for State of Union. Or, that, he knew and was prepared to blame British if called on it. So, I would like to know who indeed did do the forgery.
Anonymous: I think Sid Blumenthal's book will be regarded as the best about 90's politics. You hate him because he was a Democrat who would not be rolled by the Republican goon squad. Blumenthal's book rests on some indisputable truths:
1. There was never anything to the Whitewater scandal and never any crime committed in events ensuing from it. There was a gross lack of professionalism and perspective on the part of the news/entertainment media.
2. There was indeed a well-financed, well-organized right-wing conspiracy to undermine the Clinton administration.
3. At the end of the Clinton years, the power, prestige, and influence of the US was at its zenith.
Before the problems created by the bushites ongoing mendacity became too apparent to ignore; right wing posters could occasionally come up with a semi-coherant defense of president joystick. Now, however, more and more wingnut posters are ignoring proven facts and just making shit up. The desperate rationales being bandied about here and elsewhere in the blogesphere are indicative of a complete right wing meltdown--the fact that they still control the agenda notwhithstanding.
The trolls that are so intent on disrupting rational threads here and at other left blogs really need to emotionally disinvest from chimpy mcsmirk and look at reality.
David - I take it all back and apologize profusely. I reread your post and it revealed to me that I am an idiot.
BTW; Joe Eschaton is showing his age here folks... for those who aren't aware of it, his poor parody is actually much closer to what is known as "l33t" speak, a language used by teenage selfish arseholes, orginally in online Quake matches, and which has since spread to virtually all areas of the internet. The spelling of "teh" gives it away.
More information can be seen here;
http://www.planetquake.com/turke...turkey/
l33t.htm
Of particular note is the "How to be an Online Wanker" article.
So JOE ESCHATON, you wanker, how old are you really?
he he he
If you read the Christian Science Monitor article on the forgeries,
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/06...01s03-
woiq.html
it's pretty clear that an Iraqi, "General Rasool," forged up a whole bunch of documents implicating many foreign politicians who were against the war (and more), with the hope of selling them. Not a bad idea, I would have done it myself if I were in his position.
Look for my post on the subject on DU:
http://
www.democraticunderground...m=DCForumID71#9
Or maybe it proves that PNAC doesn't have a f*~king clue about standards of evidence and logic.
I'd go with this one. Seems to fit the facts and logic.
Naw.
Say, speaking of life is fleeting and theocracy is bad and freedom is good and all that, why are you uberLefties here and not over in Tehran doing a Rachel Corrie? Is DemocraticUnderground covering the strivance for freedom is Iran? Is IndyMedia?
Again: Naw.
I thought that this was a continuation of "no troll feeding" day. You guys have to stop feeding them - they spread like tribbles when you feed them.
Running short of Tolerance today, Scott? LOL
Ignore the MBFs.
CANADA..you know, the place with all the people that everybody likes?
Make that "liked". A recent Canadian poll showed that the percentage of Americans who disapprove has gone from virtually none to 25%. And who knows? Maybe administration's hubris has reached the point that it really thinks it can pull a "Canadian Bacon".
Let's see, PNAC, Atrios said that the documents CSM received are forgeries, when in fact, the documents CSM received have been proven to be forgeries. So the obvious question is why are you accusing Atrios of lying?
Tresy, great analysis of the forger. Hilarious.
Sorry, that last 'Anonymous' was me.
Tell you what Bill, introduce democracy into Iraq first, and then we can talk. After all, we have rather more influence there now, don't we? In the meantime I'm a little busy trying to raise money on the streets for UK charities trying to sort out this, and so many more messes around the world... and as someone whose had to try and console an Iranian friend weeping with the memories of her parents being raped in front of her, under the Shah, whilst an American "advisor" looked on, I hope this board will forgive me if I say "Fuck you, Slimy/PNAC/Joe and all your other cowardly masks, you low life spotty piece of armchair warrior shit."
Here's my latest post on it:
link
This seems as plausible an explanation as any so far -- from an April Guardian article:
But even if the documents are genuine it must be remembered that the information they contain may be false.
Middlemen or Iraqi intelligence officers might have used Mr Galloway as an excuse to pocket money themselves.
A classic scam by intelligence officers is to explain the need for money by pointing to the demands of an innocent third party.
In truth, the full story of the Galloway documents may not be known for many years.
(end of quote)
It's certainly a strange story.
Slimy Bill:
"Strivance"?
"said that he was probably not a native Arab speaker. Said one, "There were many ungrammatical constructions. For instance, one document asks, 'is our double agents spying?'"
Who is doing the translating? Arabic doesn't use "to be" in the present tense.* That sentence would probably be "[word signifying yes/no question]agents(our as a suffix) double spying?"** The translator would have to provide the appropriate placement and use of "to be" in the sentence when he converted it to English from Arabic. For the sentence to be as translated, the translator would have to be terminally stupid or pulling shit out of his ass.
* There is a "to be" verb, kaana, but it is left out of present tense sentences. "I am a dork" would be said "I dork" ("a" would get tossed too. Go figure; Arabic is the most logical and internally consistent language I've tried to learn, but the individual rules themselves are sometimes odd as hell.)
**There are a couple of other ways to phrase it, but none would use "to be" as a seperate word; and someone using a complicated enough phrasing to need "to be" as a seperate word would have more problems with the sentence than a mis-conjugated verb.
I hope this board will forgive me if I say "Fuck you, Slimy/PNAC/Joe and all your other cowardly masks, you low life spotty piece of armchair warrior shit."
titler - you're giving a bad name to low lifes everywhere. Try evil brownshirt fucks and them lets both go back to not feeding the trolls.
Sorry, sorry folks... I rose to the equivalent of Bart Simpson saying "Eat My Shorts" to Principle Skinner, I know. I shall now place the simple one on the "pity his desperation for attention" list and ignore him from here on in. Still, it was fun pointing out how obviously foolish he was... I can't say I don't regret it entirely 
Phalamir - That whistling sound was made by the satire in Tresy's post as it passed by you.
Phalamir:
You don't seem to be very good at getting the joke. Are you, by any chance, one of the teachers I had in grade school?
It's Nascar.
Just like the government sponsored flu shots just before Christmas that make people shop, the Ministry of Nascar uses a fuel additive to brain cell wash southern fried, six fingers on each hand, inbred fools.
And here is how it works:
75% percent of Nascar fans are related to each other the other 25% percent are Americans.
The Ministry of Nascar additive in the exhaust fumes mixed with large amounts of flat, watered down, piss beer interacts with the inbred gene people.
The inbreds single cell brain is then programmed by the likes of rush pigbaugh, shaun insanity, bill o'liar, horse face coulter, etc.
Ooh, "I dork". Guess I chose that example well
Can I get an exemption from being a complete dumb-ass since I had to defend my MA thesis yesterday? Mental fatigue, et al?
"I hope this board will forgive me..."
Go forth and sin no more... I know it's tough...
My thanks to Tresy for making my gloomy rainy day here in SOCAL enlightened.
It makes perfect sense.
I hope George Galloway sues the crap out of them! I was hoping we would hear something about this - it sure has gone on awhile - I hope we find out Tony Blair and his minions were behind it and I hope GG sues them and wins, too. These stupid medias only printed the slanderous stuff about anyone against the war. It really sickens me! All these medias need to be sued. Especially their up up beat bullcrap about our troops over there winning the war, but not saying much at all about the thousands of deaths of the Iraqi people. And while I am at it about suing people. Those jerks that didn't want to hear any discussion about the war whether it was good or bad need to be smacked around a couple of times. Get their brains working. Because they didn't want to hear about it, then no-one said anything, which gave that barrel of monkeys in the whitehouse the ok to start their murderous campaign against Iraq.
"GWB as a longtime resident of the Permian Basin [how dare you defame the noble name of Dimetrodon by claiming GWB to be one of them! especially since we all know he's a slavering skwerlvert--BGN] knows that when you kill off 95% of the species on earth they get squished under rocks and turn into: OIL"
What was it John Maynard Keynes said about "in the long run"?
for the MBFs - this is i believe the first time i´´ve mentioned galloway on this blog. I don´´t know him from adam and haven´´t really been following the whole thing. What we do know for sure is that a US paper using information from forged documents had piled on the guy. He may be saddam´´s lover for all I know, but I find all these forged documents quite interesting.
Anyway, Scott Peterson forged all Galloway-related documents. You see, it was an unfortunate side-effect of his eating all of Saddam's WMDs--he was very hungry at the time.
Meanwhile, our soldiers are going through this. Come share the outrage.
ok. I'm sorry if I'm a little OT but seeing we're talking about forgeries and all...
something I'd like cleared up: how is it that mohammed atta's passport was allegedly found intact in the burning ruin of the wtc? I mean, you'd think that there would be thousands, if not millions, of papers blowing around nyc. what do you think the chances of finding a terrorist's passport in that mess?
look! harry potter killed laci peterson AND chandra levy AND lori klausutis! you bastard!
Of course Harry Potter killed those women. I was talking to General Ashcroft (he likes to be called General), and he assured me that all this withcraft that the kids are practicing would lead to ritual murder. Good thing we have the bible to help us predict these things!
You know, it seems to me that associating Iraq with 9/11 is somethinig that needs to be looked at, just as much as the WMDs. But we're not hearing a lot of that.
You know, it seems to me that associating Iraq with 9/11 is somethinig that needs to be looked at, just as much as the WMDs. But we're not hearing a lot of that.
John
John,
Have you forgotten?
You know, it seems to me that associating Iraq with 9/11 is somethinig that needs to be looked at, just as much as the WMDs. But we're not hearing a lot of that.
Mainly, because they never (to my knowledge) came right out and said in so many words, "Saddam was related to 9/11". They did say he was associating with al Qaeda, a claim that the CIA disputed, and a claim disputed by aQ prisoners.
They were far more insistent about the unconventional weapons argument, to the point that they claimed to know the precise location, type, and quantity of at least some of Saddam's alleged arsenal. Their refusal to qualify their remarks is what leaves them wide open on that front, and this provides the best groundwork to destroy them.
discharge in re - Mohammed Atta's passport found at ground zero.
The same way the "pristine" bullet was found on JFK's gurney after traveling through Connelly and JFK.
Let's see...Slimy Bill/PNAC/Walter Cronkite have lied about every single story they've commented on in this thread, even providing links to the very stories they're lying about.
Dumb? Or stupid? You be the judge.
Oh, and to cut them off at the pass:
"Jesse, the retard shut-in who's never seen a woman in his life, god do I want his man meat for just a few minutes."
Thank you, and have a nice day.
That anyone could believe a non-Arabic speaking reporter could wander into an office and snag critical documents at the first try defeates me. He's have been more likely to end up with the audit records for the toilet paper supply.
Also, we're talking about an awful lot of money here. If Galloway was paid it, there must be bank records and a paper trail on this side. Where is it?
Frankly, I think both sets of documents were forged to order by someone personally pissed off at Galloway.
On another topic, is anyone sane going to be left in the United States this summer? Between seniors coming to Canada for cheap prescription drugs and gays coming up here to get married, we're going to have the best tourist season in fifty years. Not to speak of the loosening of the marijuana laws, which is not by any means full legalization but might be intended by Chretien the Cunning as a ploy to dump the government into the middle of a slippery slope ending with legalization, once all the infuriated American gays and seniors and ordinary Joes go home and throw Bush out on his sorry ass next year.
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
Jeez, even their national anthem identifies them in relation to us. At least with the cheap drugs and socialized medicine and gay marriage and weed and bilingualism and saying "eh" they are trying to develop their own personality. Of course, it's the personality I wish we were developing, apart from the bilingualism and "eh."
I could take a swing at you mac.
Don't mess with the Canadian anthem.
Jeez, even their national anthem identifies them in relation to us
"The True North strong and free!"
Ummmm...but isn't Canada pretty much as far north as you can get? That isn't a comparative quote--it's a superlative quote. Heck, even both North Poles are in Canada.
"(The Brownshirts) have lied about every single story they've commented on in this thread, even providing links to the very stories they're lying about."
That's why it's "Ignore the Brownshirts Day!"
"this is i believe the first time i´´ve mentioned galloway on this blog. I don´´t know him from adam and haven´´t really been following..."
What's with the double apostrophes?
Next: Canada Legalizes Bilingual Marrage.
Or, as I sometimes call it, "marriage." Bah.
PNAC, you logic-challenged ignoramus! (sure, it's ad hominem, but if the shoe fits ...) Do you think we're idiots?
1) The FORWARD is a biased publication, and the linkage they report is one long daisy chain
2) The lawsuit you cited ... do you have any details? Was a defense offered? No??
3) The other CBS article, from 2002, had no legs. Just more bunkum.
Smarter monkeys, please!!!
thoughtful meme spam of the day...
Happy Birthday Aung San Suu Kyi!
sorry all...we must not forget about this great lady and people!
freelixir - personally, I thank you for the reminder. Aung San is one of my heroes.
Just a little background information; the libel laws in the UK are complex, long and extremely testing, financially and emotionally for both particpants... perhaps our resident lawyer could explain more, but unless you can be sure of an absolutely MASSIVE pay out in your favor, which in our courts are not that common, sometimes it makes far more sense to just ignore the slander... Galloway may have a solid case on the first papers too, but can he prove damage to his good name greater than that his lawyers would charge to get it?
What are the libel laws in the US Tena? Presumably it's less risky for him to persue the CM for damages under US law...? I suspect that's why he is pressing against one (CM) and not the other (Telegraph)
"When do we get to say "we told you so" about everything?"
We are. Unfortunatley, US media, and politicians are silent...
We're screaming "we told you so" at the top of our lungs...
Uh, I was being facetious. Every time I tell my rightwinger acquaintances "I told you so", they spout the usual talking points. Seems their "dominance" philosophy (wrt evolutionary psych) seems to preclude our talking about being right.
[[[ The same people who forged the Niger documents. ]]] Yep: France. "Who benefits from this?" France.
I admit: I'm too lazy to scroll through everything to see if Slimy Bill gave a cogent argument for why this is so. Can anybody explain how France benefits from the forged yellow cake docs?
And apparently I'm too lazy to turn of itals...
Webster says:
Dictionary
Main Entry: bun·kum
Variant(s): or bun·combe /'b&[ng]-k&m/
Function: noun
Etymology: Buncombe county, N.C.; from a remark made by its congressman, who defended an irrelevant speech by claiming that he was speaking to Buncombe
Date: 1845
: insincere or foolish talk : NONSENSE
Thesaurus
Entry Word: bunkum
Function: noun
Text: Synonyms NONSENSE 2, ||applesauce, balderdash, ||baloney, ||bull, eyewash, flimflam, hokum, jazz, poppycock
Thanks for the Canadian anthem, hadenough. I've always loved it but never quite got all the words down. A soaring, stirring anthem if ever there was one! I always got a kick when Letterman used to get going on it (he loves it too). Now we have even more reason to love it.
Re: the '' , I would imagine that if Atrios is still in Europe (Spain?) and posting from there, he is trying to cope with a Spanish keyboard and God only knows what for language versions of software.
See? that was supposed to be double quotes and I'm using my second machine with German keyboard and confused Microsoft products.
PLAYING THE GAME -- DISHONESTLY: Tapped makes a big deal of the Christian Science Monitor's report (noted here last night) that documents found by the Monitor implicating British antiwar MP George Galloway as a collaborator with Iraq appear to be forged. Tapped thinks that Andrew Sullivan owes Galloway an apology, and adds rather snippily: "It's Sullivan's game. We're just playing it."
Playing it rather dishonestly, though. Because what the Tapped post doesn't mention is that the same expert who found the Monitor's documents probably fraudulent also said that the Telegraph documents were probably genuine:
After examining copies of two pages of the Daily Telegraph's documents linking Galloway with the Hussein regime, Mneimneh pronounces them consistent, unlike their Monitor counterparts, with authentic Iraqi documents he has seen.
Moreover, a direct comparison of the language in the Monitor and Daily Telegraph document sets shows that they are somewhat contradictory.
The trouble is, you can't read this directly from their post because Tapped doesn't link to the Monitor's story. Instead, it links to this AP story about the Monitor's findings, that doesn't include that discussion. That's funny, since Tapped's post is timestamped 12:40 p.m. today, and the Monitor story has been available since last night. So why link to the AP story?
Unless, of course, you're playing games. I think that it's Tapped who owes an apology here. To Sullivan, and to its readers.
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Thanks also for the bunkum etymology. (I posted the anthem comment before I read this one).
NTodd - Trolls just like saying "France" whenever they can't think of anything else to say. No rhyme or reason to it ...
NTodd - Trolls just like saying "France" whenever they can't think of anything else to say. No rhyme or reason to it ...
Thanks. That was my assumption, but Mom always told me, um...something about assuming. I just wish there were an HTML tag like that would indicate a ridiculous rightwing non-sequitur was in effect...
Make that, "an HTML tag like <mbf>"
Walter Cronkite
PNAC
FOUND, ORDERED, DECREED
The 7,438 other sockpuppets of Rosie Joe Tiernan
Damn. Wouldn't reproduce the "" tags.
Tim Blair:
So, is George off the hook? Out of jail? Home free? Not exactly:
On April 22, London's Daily Telegraph reported that papers retrieved by their correspondent David Blair from the ruins of Iraq's Foreign Ministry described alleged government payoffs to Mr. Galloway, a Labour Party MP and longtime critic of the West's hardline toward Mr. Hussein. The Daily Telegraph report received widespread attention in the European press and throughout the world.
However, the Monitor's documents were different in many details from those of the Daily Telegraph, and came from a different source.
One of the experts consulted by the CS Monitor has few immediate doubts about the Telegraph’s documents:
After examining copies of two pages of the Daily Telegraph's documents linking Galloway with the Hussein regime, Mneimneh pronounces them consistent, unlike their Monitor counterparts, with authentic Iraqi documents he has seen.
Looks like the CS Monitor was duped by one General Rasool, who quickly realised after the Telegraph’s scoop that documents bearing Galloway’s name might earn him a few quick bucks. Meanwhile Galloway is still trying to prove that the Telegraph’s documents are fake. Keep at it, George!
Dickder Waltrite,
Are you really that stupid?
Are you really that big a dope?
Are you really as moronic as those idiotic posts?
I think:
Yes
Yes
and YES
hadenough nails it.
Can we officially ignore Brownshirt W now - for good?
[Saddam was responsible for 911.
Saddam is a card carrying member of Al Qaeda.]
[How many times do we have to tell you? There is no link between Al Qaeda and Iraq!]
Actually, the man you so admire-—the coward and liar in the White House-—admitted in a press conference that there is *no* evidence linking Saddam to 9/11 (and, by implication, to Al Qaeda). During this press conference, Phony Blair backs him up.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war...addam-
qaeda.htm
These aren’t some horrible leftist terrorist-lovers talking. These are the blood-thirsty war-mongers who secretly laugh at you because you’re stupid enough to support them. They outright admitted it: There is no link. None. End of story, Freetards.
Walter, you use Tim Blair, Australia's answer to Ben Shapiro, as if he were, well... Walter Cronkite. I hear the sound of straws being clutched.
Doesn't it strike you as a bit convenient that when Hans Blix bothers your superiors, he's suddenly a well known habitue of gay clubs? Or when Scott Ritter gets too pointed he becomes a kiddy fiddler? Galloway cuts close to the bone and he's on the take?
Who's more gullible - us for doubting the legitimacy of the origins of such accusations? Or you guys for swallowing them with your eyes closed?
The question at the beginning of this was 'who forged them'? Are there any journos on the case? My vote would go to Seymour Hersh but the poor bloke has a lot on his plate right now.
You should read an article in the Guardian by Roy Greenslade, ex-editor of London's Daily Mirror, about the similarities between the Galloway affair and the destruction of Arthur Scargill, who led the miners against Thatcher. There were many powerful interests who wanted to see the back of the combative Mr Scargill. Greenslade's boss was Robert Maxwell and he rather sheepishly admits the possibility, shading into probability, that he and his staff were 'had' in an intel sting which Maxwell, a Mossad agent, had engineered, or at least facilitated. Many years later, Greenslade apologised to Scargill.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/
c...,951457,00.html
Greenslade implicitly makes the point that there may be more than meets the eye in the Galloway case - it was a Telegraph reporter who broke the story, having been given the documents by a mysterious Iraqi general, who I guess just happened to have come across them in some burnt out ministry or other. The Tele is owned and run by Conrad Black, a passionate right wing Zionist who heads the Hollinger board, which contains notables such as Henry Kissinger and Richard Prince of Darkness Perle. What a crew.
Who linked the reporter David Blair (jeez there's some Blairs about nowadays) to the general? Who exactly is the general? Can we talk to him? Are the forgeries from the same quarter as the Blix rumours, the Ritter rumours, the Niger rumours? Are there any commonalities in the persons involved in all of these deceptions? Who do they work for? Is Perle a conduit for US misinformation to the British media?
Can someone join the dots? Sorry to be so tin hat but if it's raining bullshit...
"Come off it Walter, the Telegraph documents aren't real either."
Larry Lurex... what makes you so sure? The same experts that believe the CSM's documents were forged also claim that the Daily Telegraph's are genuine. Also, why did the Telegraph decline to publish the same forged documents that CSM ended up publishing?
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