I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
What is old Europe's opinion of Scott Peterson.
it's simple: invade and liberate Gibraltar. That will teach both Spain and the UK.
LowLife: As a euro, living in the US, i can only say: who gives a flying hoot about Scott Peterson!
That's what I figured Renato and one of the things I like most about it.
Quid Pro Quo!
How do you say 'Show me the money" in Spanish?
Prediction: Bush indicates he 'understands Spain's position' regarding Gibraltar. It is then announced that perhaps Spain can spare a few 'peacekeeping' forces for Iraq.
Bush and company. Buying a brave new world!
The link no esta trabajar Senores.
The Spaniards have been trying to get Gibraltar back from the Brits for centuries.
Tough toenails, Spaniards. However, given that Jeanne Kirkpatrick once advocated backing the murderous "only authoritarian" Argentine Generals against the Maggie Thatcher led Brits, you can never tell what idiotic thing a GOP "expert" might propose.
Oh, no! You mean, they only helped us because they wanted something in return?
"Oh, Fat Tony... I say 'Good Day' to you, sir!"
In the same edition, the Telegraph informs us that George may yet see the light:
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news.../20/
ixhome.html
One source in Madrid said Mr Blair was angry not only because of the Spanish prime minister's "underhand" behaviour, but because he feels "America does not seem to know who is its real ally".
If this quote is true, the TB isn't as bright as we give him credit for. If it's been said once it's been said 1000x: Loyalty to the Bushies is a one way street. You gotta wonder when that fairly obvious statement is going to finally penetrate the denizens of No. 10.
If there ever was any doubt who was going to take the fall for the WMDs, it's looking pretty clear now. Can you say "Goodbye and good luck, Tony?"
I can't wait for the new spin:
"Well, the intelligence from the British intel community that they shared with us showed absolutely that Saddam had a million barrels of small pox ready to dump on the U.S. from the fleet of unmanned planes Saddam was developing. We believed the British. It's Tony's fault. That's why we are lending our security forces to Spain's Gibralter Liberation movement. All statues of British imperialists in Gibralter must go!"
Blair is just mad that the Spanish took Beckham. And rightfully so.
The link no esta trabajar Senores.
Republican Spanish no doubt. Sounds good but is really completely broken.
no es trabajando.
The Coalition of the Wantin'-Somethin'-from ya, Georgie.
The Coalition of the Time to Pay up, Bushie.
Gee, wouldn't it be nice if aWol reneged on some of his promises to coalition members, and they decided to publicly eviscerate him?
Send the 3rd Infantry to Gibraltar. They need a break.
sgc
Expect more hilarity hijinx from other members of the Coalition of the Shilling in the months to come...
The poodle discovers you must supply your on KYJ when dating aWol.
Related (on a tangent) to the Bush/Blair post. Nice report on the manufacturing of WMD evidence in TNR online here:
http://www.tnr.com/
docprint.mhtm...rmanjudis063003
The authors allege that the source for Judith Miller's WMD stories, specifically about the aluminum pipes, was the Bush Administration itself.
The administration used the anniversary of September 11, 2001, to launch its public campaign for a congressional resolution endorsing war, with or without U.N. support, against Saddam. The opening salvo came on the Sunday before the anniversary in the form of a leak to Judith Miller and Michael R. Gordon of The New York Times regarding the aluminum tubes.
So, Miller just sits around while the Bush Administration feeds her this stuff? Oh, I guess she went to Iraq, too. With Chalabi.
Hey Tony! Grab your ankles and smile.
You've been Bushwacked!
I wonder if the British Intelligence Service isn't now building a dossier on the crap that Washington told them about Iraq to cover their asses.
Once people said that they would reveal how Blair manipulated data to the public, he shut up. How much more do these lassies have and if we continue to play these games with Gibraltar, how much more do you think will come out?
Average Brits still have some pride of country I believe.
"Hey Tony! Grab your ankles and smile."
Shouldn't that be "... and think of England" ?
Tena,
perhaps the smithsonian can lend an old war of 1812 flag to the spanish freedom forces when they retake gibraltar so they can drape it over the heads of old imperialist british statues.
cuz it's about payback, right?
From what I know, Blair would love to cede Gibraltar. It's just those damned Gibraltarians who keep on voting to stay a British colony! He might still be pissed at Aznar going over his head to the US, though, and rightly so.
Bush recouping from runner's injury
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush suffered a minor muscle tear in his calf in late April, Deputy White House Spokesman Scott McClellan said Friday.
McClellan, in an off-camera briefing, called the tear a "typical runners' injury" that an "athlete will suffer from time to time."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLIT...tear/
index.html
No, the injury it is not from falling off a segway scooter. Anyone who says it is will be liberated.
Charles M:
Actually, the correct syntax is no esta trabajando. But actually, I think a fluent Spanish speaker would say something more like no funciona.
I was thinking back to the car trips my family took when I was a kid.
"If you can't share," my mother would say to my sister and me, "I'll take the toy away from both of you."
So if Bush does order the invasion of Gibraltar, I think it should be named the "Mac's Mom Doctrine."
I found this article. Now the peace organizations are banding together against Bush.
The best part, and make damne sure you read the WHOLE article, is this quote by some doped up libertarian. I almost passed out from shock.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/art...=nested&
order=0
"For [Bush] to have lied presumed that he knew an alternative reality, an alternative truth, that he dismissed it, he hid it," said Daniel Goure, a military specialist with the libertarian Lexington Institute who worked on Bush's transition team on defense issues. "What they're complaining about is the president looked at the evidence and said, `It's black, not gray -- certainly not white,' . . . This is an absolutely transparent administration that was very clear about its analytical approach, how they were going to judge these threats. It was absolutely transparent: `For the axis of evil, we're going to assume evil.' "
I can not comprehend that people can still spout this type of drivel. When has BUSHCO ever been TRANSPARENT!
Some one should just kick this guys ass on GP.
Has Spain formally renounced its claim on the part of Morocco formerly knwon as "Spanish Sahara?" Just wondering.
Ha ha ha.
Just found this cool site:
http://atrios.blogpsot.com/
And, for yet another reason to impeach Bush;
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/ne...01680?
version=1
US troops 'shoot civilians'
By Bob Graham, Evening Standard, in Baghdad
19 June 2003
American soldiers in Iraq today make the astonishing admission that they regularly kill civilians.
In a series of disturbing interviews which throws light on the chaos gripping the country, GIs also confess to leaving wounded Iraqi fighters to die, and even to shooting injured enemy
soldiers. They say they are frequently confronted by fighters dressed as civilians, including women.
Their response is often to shoot first and ask questions later, even when it means killing genuine civilians. Yesterday, US troops killed at least one man and injured three others during a demonstration in Baghdad by former Iraqi soldiers protesting at not being paid for two months. US troops first fired into the air and then into the crowd after the demonstrators began throwing stones and bricks.
In the worsening cycle of violence, American tactics like these are feeding the resentment of many Iraqis who object to the occupation of their country. US troops are facing a growing number of hitandrun guerrilla attacks and more than 40 soldiers have been killed since George Bush declared the war over seven weeks ag
Come on, John. All the cool kids have known about that since Atrios Jr pointed it out weeks ago.
Me = Not Cool.
Golly this is even better;
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/ne...rticles/
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A lone Iraqi sniper nicknamed The Hunter is believed to have claimed his sixth American victim this week in a suburb of Baghdad.
The man, said to be a former member of the Republican Guard Special Forces, has developed a cult status among some Iraqis. One Baghdad resident, Assad al Amari, said: "He is fighting for Iraq on his own. There will be many more Americans killed because they cannot stop The Hunter. He will be given the protection of people who will let him use their homes for his shooting."
Their attitude to these dangers is summed up by Specialist (Corporal) Michael Richardson, 22. "There was no dilemma when it came to shooting people who were not in uniform, I just pulled the trigger. It was up close and personal the whole time, there wasn't a big distance. If they were there, they were enemy, whether in uniform or not. Some were, some weren't."
Cpl Richardson added: "That day nothing went with the training. There were females fighting; there were some that, when they saw you f****** coming, they'd just drop their s*** and try to give up; and some guys were shot and they'd play dead, and when you'd go by they'd reach for their weapons. That day it was just f****** everything. When we face women or injured that try to grab their weapons, we just finish them off. You've gotta, no choice."
Such is their level of hatred they preferred to kill rather than merely injure. Sgt Meadows, 34, said: "The worst thing is to shoot one of them, then go help him." Sergeant Adrian Pedro Quinones, 26, chipped in: "In that situation you're angry, you're raging. They'd just been shooting at my men - they were putting my guys in a casket and eight feet under, that's what they were trying to do.
"And now, they're laying there and I have to help them, I have a responsibility to ensure my men help them." Cpl Richardson said: "S***, I didn't help any of them. I wouldn't help the f******. There were some you let die. And there were some you double-tapped."
The men have been traumatised by their experiences. Cpl Richardson-said: "At night time you think about all the people you killed. It just never gets off your head, none of this stuff does. There's no chance to forget it, we're still here, we've been here so long. Most people leave after combat but we haven't."
Sgt Meadows said men under his command had been seeking help for severe depression: "They've already seen psychiatrists and the chain of command has got letters back saying 'these men need to be taken out of this situation'. But nothing's happened." Cpl Richardson added: "Some soldiers don't even f****** sleep at night. They sit up all f****** night long doing s*** to keep themselves busy - to keep their minds off this f****** stuff. It's the only way they can handle it. It's not so far from being crazy but it's their way of coping. There's one guy trying to build a
ARF:
Name a recent war where this didn't happen. Not that I'm defending it, it's just not particularly "astonishing." Of course, you knew that. Whoever wrote that article, however, needs a refresher course in modern war.
Will never happen.
Bush knows Tony has him over the barrel.
Bush isn't going to put any pressure on someone who they know could rat them out if they pushed him into a corner.
Should or would Blair to come forward and admit it was all a lie then that would be the end of it.
Be well.
MYOB'
.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/ne...rticles/
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There's one guy trying to build a little pool out the back, pointless stuff but it keeps him busy."
Sgt Meadows said: "For me, it's like snap-shot photos. Like pictures of maggots on tongues, babies with their heads on the ground, men with their heads halfway off and their eyes wide open and mouths wide open. I see it every day, every single day. The smells and the torsos burning, the entire route up to Baghdad, from 20 March to 7 April, nothing but burned bodies."
Specialist Bryan Barnhart, 21, joined in: "I also got the images like snapshots in my head. There are bodies that we saw when we went back to secure a place we'd taken. The bodies were still there and they'd been baking in the sun. Their bodies were bloated three times the size."
Sgt Quinones explained: "There are psychiatrists who are trying to sort out their problems but they say it's because of long combat environment. They know we need to be taken away from that environment." But the group's tour of duty has been extended and the men have been forced to remain as peacekeepers. Cpl Richardson said: "Now we're in this peacekeeping, we're always firing off a warning shot at people that don't wanna listen to you. You make up the rules as you go along.
"Like, in Fallujah we get rocks thrown at us by kids. You wanna turn round and shoot one of the little f*****s but you know you can't do that. Their parents know if they came out and threw rocks we'd shoot them. So that's why they send the kids out." Sgt Meadows said: "Can you imagine being a soldier and being told 'you're fighting a war, then when you finish you can go home'.
"You go and fight that war, and you win decisively, but now you have to stay and stabilise the situation. We are having to go from a full warfighting mindset to a peacekeeping mindset overnight. Right after shooting at people who were trying to kill you, you now have to help them."
The anger towards their own senior officers is obvious. Cpl Richardson said: "We weren't trained for this stuff now. It makes you resentful they're holding us on here. It pisses everyone off, we were told once the war was over we'd leave when our replacements get here. Well, our replacements got here and we're still here."
Specialist Castillo said: "We're more angry at the generals who are making these decisions and who never hit the ground, and who don't get shot at or have to look at the bloody bodies and the burnt-out bodies, and the dead babies and all that kinda stuff." Sgt Quinones added: "Most of these soldiers are in their early twenties and late teens. They've seen, in less than a month, more than any man should see in a whole lifetime. It's time for us to go home."
On whether the war was one worth fighting, Sgt Meadows said: "I don't care about Iraq one way or the other. I couldn't care less. [Saddam] could still be in power and, to me, it wasn't worth leavi
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/ne...rticles/
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On whether the war was one worth fighting, Sgt Meadows said: "I don't care about Iraq one way or the other. I couldn't care less. [Saddam] could still be in power and, to me, it wasn't worth leaving my family for; for getting shot at and almost dying two or three times, there's nothing worth that to me." Even though no Iraqis were involved, and there is no proof Saddam was behind it, the attack on the World Trade Center provides Cpl Richardson and many others with the justification for invading Iraq.
"There's a picture of the World Trade Center hanging up by my bed and I keep one in my Kevlar [flak jacket]. Every time I feel sorry for these people I look at that. I think, 'They hit us at home and, now, it's our turn.' I don't want to say payback but, you know, it's pretty much payback."
Payback? Payback to IRAQ? Get these fucking guys out before they all go bugfuck and start killing children at random.
Gee, I wonder what Dubya promised the Micronesians?
Go get Wolfie!
"How do you rate President Bush's job performance on the economy?"
>Whoever wrote that article, however, needs a refresher course in modern war.
Maybe whoever wrote the article felt that A LOT OF PEOPLE needed a refresher course in modern war.
In our little corner of the internet, we called them "warbloggers." But you can lead a warblogger to the truth but you can't make him drink.
This is not true of the regular Joe American or John Bull. They are capable of "getting it" after the groupthink euphoria wears off.
hadenough -
"Sush recouping from runner's injury"
Actually, he pulled a muscle in his brain during a briefing when someone began to talk about Gibralter. He said: "Why the f*ck should I give a rat's ass about Gibralter? Aren't they an insurance co.? Did they make some big contributions? " And then someone tried to tell him what Gibralter is and reminded him that both Spain and Britain were part of the Coalition of the Willing. And he said "Huh?" and fell out of his chair.
That was supposed to read: "Bush recouping from runner's injury." But actually, "Sush" isn't that bad.
Okay, it's official now: David Ehrenstein is a little girl.
Anyone else interested in asking Atrios to post an open comment thread on Friday afternoons? He did it a couple of months back, and it seemed like everybody had a good time with it.
If you think it's a good idea, drop a comment about it. At the very least it might reduce the amount of off-topic posts in some of the other threads (except for the troll hijackings of course).
Amish Rake Fighter: no summer school today?
erik the conservative,
is there anywhere i can post comments on a conservative website and not be attacked by...i guess we call them BMFs or trolls?
i wanna be the liberal you
Erik the C - hey, way to go OT on this thread!
mmenos -
is there anywhere i can post comments on a conservative website and not be attacked by...i guess we call them BMFs or trolls?
i wanna be the liberal you
I'm not sure. Eschaton was the first place I ever participated in a threaded message board. I don't go to many other blogs to post. I've checked out Little Green Footballs a couple of times, although I've never posted there. It seems to have very active boards, so you at least could find some people to debate/argue with.
As far as finding a conservative blog where you won't be attacked when you post... that will probably be more of a function of time, and your response to the attacks, as opposed to being a function of the site itself. When I first started posting here I was jumped on pretty hard. That's going to happen to a liberal on a conservative blog, just like it happened to me here. And I still get jumped on here by new posters or people who've seen my posts before and just don't care for them.
Prepare yourself for being piled on. That's the biggest challenge, and one it's only fair to expect if you're going to do it. It's the sheer volume of posts from people that disagree with you that can be challenging to manage. But if you're prepared for it ahead of time, you might find you can correct some of the more egregious errors being thrown around conservative blogland.
Good Luck!
Tena -
Erik the C - hey, way to go OT on this thread!
Believe me I appreciated the irony before I even completed that post.
As a person with a basic inability to stay on any topic for a long time, I support the creation of a Friday comments section. -- librul with a slight touch of attention deficit disorder
Just noticed there's no "Torture Wolf" link on the left side of the homepage anymore, so... here it is!
"Poor" is leading with 58%...
Shafting the troops is a time-honored tradition. Anyone who intends to enlist in the military should first talk to a few combat vets.
Erik-
i just don't want to be the victim of incestuous amplification. i can't watch o'reilly ar listen to limbaugh because they are just mean. i need some conservative views in my diet, though. what is your take on the "log cabin republicans?"
mmenos-
I know you were addressing Erik the C, but Kos lists tacitus.org as being "on the right." I checked it out--there's other libs there, and it's not so much of a wingnut pile-on. As for the topics, well...
Forget about LGF, unless you're in the mood to play the troll. Charles doesn't post any topics that address the most pressing issues right now (WMD, the 9/11 report, etc.), because he knows we're right.
so, how come US soldiers are dying at the rate of one per day, yet not one British soldier has been killed since the end of the war in Iraq's second most populous city ?
A lone Iraqi sniper nicknamed The Hunter is believed to have claimed his sixth American victim this week in a suburb of Baghdad.
It's the remake of Enemy at the Gates!
mmenos -
i just don't want to be the victim of incestuous amplification. i can't watch o'reilly ar listen to limbaugh because they are just mean. i need some conservative views in my diet, though.
If you start posting on conservative blogs, you'll start to think O'Reilly and Limbaugh are nice guys. I was genuinely surprised at the energy with which my initial posts were attacked when I first started posting here. And those attacks were from self-identified liberals. I would assume that the "normal" posters to a conservative blog would treat you pretty viciously at first.
what is your take on the "log cabin republicans?"
I'm not sure what your question is. If you're asking me what I think of their politics, I've always assumed they were for all things Republican, except for the Religious conservative part. The gay conservatives I know tend to focus their politics around fiscal policy and strong defense. I don't know where to find them online, although I'm sure they are out there somewhere.
If what you are really looking for is "conservative views in your diet", then there are some online sites worth looking at. National Review, Weekly Standard, OpinionJournal - particularly Best of the Web (OpinionJournal is a part of the Wall Street Journal), InstaPundit, Lileks, TownHall.com has a collection of almost all columns of syndicated conservative columnists. The only problem is that none of these offers a comment board where you can argue through ideas and challenge people.
DISCLAIMER: THE ABOVE-MENTIONED SITES DO NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF Erik (conservative).
I'd also add that Slate and The New Republic often publish articles that are surprisingly conservative.
Mr President Bush,
Please send to us 5 tonnes of this "spicy crab boil" we sees on your American TV Food Network.
Your ally in the Coalition of the Willing,
Islam Karimov, President
Republic of Uzbekistan
.
Islam - you are such a card. LOL
Erik the C - I know you aren't irony impaired like it seems that so many conservatives are. But I just couldn't resist - I would have hated myself if I hadn't made that comment.
I think the question of why no Brits have been killed goes partly in hand with the shooting of the rock throwing ex-soldiers. I thought the Brits (and the Israeli's) had pretty muched established that shooting people throwing rocks often leads them to come back next time with something stronger.
A lone Iraqi sniper nicknamed The Hunter is believed to have claimed his sixth American victim this week in a suburb of Baghdad.
It's the remake of Enemy at the Gates!
Gary,
I just came from Counterspin and made the same point.
Great minds think alike.
(i've got my ducks in some serious olympic style training.)
Erik,
Glad to see you tough it out though. And i second a vote for the open thread.
which will not stop troll hijackery, of course, but it's nice to have a spot where you can go and be OT without actually being OT.
Forget about LGF, unless you're in the mood to play the troll. Charles doesn't post any topics that address the most pressing issues right now (WMD, the 9/11 report, etc.), because he knows we're right.
Damn straight. Charles and his minions like to beat up on anybody who doesn't fit exactly their idea of Christian/kill'em'all/whatever morality. Witness their absolute anger and hatred over Palestinians pulling body parts from the ruins of a car destroyed in an Israeli missile attack--they even eat their own over on that site, as one LGF regular tried to say "whoa, maybe we shouldn't be so hasty", and every jumped on her. Objectively cannibalistic.
Oh, and I like Erik's open thread idea...
"Anyone else interested in asking Atrios to post an open comment thread on Friday afternoons? He did it a couple of months back, and it seemed like everybody had a good time with it.'
I off topic, or "discovered" open thread per day. Most of the topics that are posted here, I have already seen at least a day before. Sometimes more than a day.
I frequently discover amazingly outrageous stories that should be posted but do not fit in any category.
So, have an open comments section for discovered news, everyone does tend to have one or two sources (if not more) that others do not have, is a very good idea.
This is the internet, and people need to stay on top of these stories as they break. Other wise, you become swamped by the story as it changes over time. The Lynch story, or the WMD thing.
It would also be nice to have a searchable archive. But it isn't a perfect world.
"Amish Rake Fighter: no summer school today?"
I see your crack dealer was on the corner today.
PLAYING THE GAME -- DISHONESTLY: Tapped makes a big deal of the Christian Science Monitor's report (noted here last night) that documents found by the Monitor implicating British antiwar MP George Galloway as a collaborator with Iraq appear to be forged. Tapped thinks that Andrew Sullivan owes Galloway an apology, and adds rather snippily: "It's Sullivan's game. We're just playing it."
Playing it rather dishonestly, though. Because what the Tapped post doesn't mention is that the same expert who found the Monitor's documents probably fraudulent also said that the Telegraph documents were probably genuine:
After examining copies of two pages of the Daily Telegraph's documents linking Galloway with the Hussein regime, Mneimneh pronounces them consistent, unlike their Monitor counterparts, with authentic Iraqi documents he has seen.
Moreover, a direct comparison of the language in the Monitor and Daily Telegraph document sets shows that they are somewhat contradictory.
The trouble is, you can't read this directly from their post because Tapped doesn't link to the Monitor's story. Instead, it links to this AP story about the Monitor's findings, that doesn't include that discussion. That's funny, since Tapped's post is timestamped 12:40 p.m. today, and the Monitor story has been available since last night. So why link to the AP story?
Unless, of course, you're playing games. I think that it's Tapped who owes an apology here. To Sullivan, and to its readers.
\
P.S. Atrios, you can have the popcorn but the MilkDuds are mine.
Tiernan, you're being ignored.
And TAPPED certainly does not owe fascist collaborator Sullivan an apology.
Mac recalls his wise mother saying: "If you can't share," my mother would say to my sister and me, "I'll take the toy away from both of you."
"Mac's Mom Doctrine" is, in my view, something that needs to be applied to several land disputes. For example Israel and Palestine:
'Folks, you have three years to create peace - if you are still fighting over any part of the land variously referred to as 'Israel' or 'Palestine' at the end of those three years every human will be moved out of that territory and the land will be redesignated as the 'Abraham Memorial Planetary Park'. If this happens no humans will be allowed in there for a century and no humans will be allowed to settle in that territory again.'
I don't know if they would be able to create a peace under such conditions...if not it would be good to give that land and ecology a chance to rest after being fought over for thousands of years.
'Folks, you have three years to create peace - if you are still fighting over any part of the land variously referred to as 'Israel' or 'Palestine' at the end of those three years every human will be moved out of that territory and the land will be redesignated as the 'Abraham Memorial Planetary Park'. If this happens no humans will be allowed in there for a century and no humans will be allowed to settle in that territory again.'
Call the State Dept. This idea has some merit. (Three years?)
pie and Oscar - this is what should be done with Jerusalem right this minute.
frazier: you're a paranoid idiot. and a hack. and a fucking moron. stop writing. you suck at it. stop thinking. you're bad at that, too.
The troll is a coward. Why are we at all surprised.
are you still committing those heinous and atrocious acts of buggery, ehrenstein?
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'cause it's really creeping me out, what you do to boys.
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i mean, fucking 'em up the ass and everything.
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you sick, demented arse jockey, you.
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i mean, quit fucking 'em up the ass, you twisted sick fucker.
the farmer | 06.20.03 - 10:56 pm | #
Maybe Bush will screw both sides and give Gibralter to the Berbers
"the farmer",
You pissed because Ehrenstein is getting the guys and not leaving any for you?
It's called "projection."
'Folks, you have three years to create peace - if you are still fighting over any part of the land variously referred to as 'Israel' or 'Palestine' at the end of those three years every human will be moved out of that territory and the land will be redesignated as the 'Abraham Memorial Planetary Park'. If this happens no humans will be allowed in there for a century and no humans will be allowed to settle in that territory again.'
I had a similar idea. I didn't call it the 'Mac's Mom Doctrine' but the 'King Solomon Solution'. It was very similar to yours, but if the conditions weren't met, the disputed areas would be subjected to nuclear bombardment with cobalt warheads, which would result in the blast areas being contaminated for around 10,000 years. Any evacuation of the area would be the Israelis and Palestinans problem.
However, in recent months, I would like to shy away from the bombardment without evacuating them first, so I'd really like to combine this idea with detonating nukes in a Project Plowshare type fashion, but with the cobalt contamination. It would also solve a problem that would likely crop up, and that is extremists staying put and continuing to fight over the soon-to-be irradiated land.
When Americans were settling the frontier, they had to remove all those pesky natives. Those "Indians" not murdered were turned to refugees, and when they fought back they were denounced as dirty fighters and savages because they didn't play by traditional rules of European warfare. Now the same thing is happening with Israeli settlement. And the Palestinians are supposed to share or leave? They are already being forced to leave their land, sharing was never and is still not an option for them.
I'd also add that Slate and The New Republic often publish articles that are surprisingly conservative.
That's true, and it's a big part of the problem. Slate and TNR are identified as 'liberal' even though they publish a lot of centrist and rightist articles. Thus what's 'liberal' slides to the right. Rightist views in a supposedly leftist magazine become identified as leftist, and the right goes even more extreme. If I could, for example, successfully paint The Nation as a conservative rag, a liberals would be, by definiton, to the left of The Nation. That's what the right has done in the last 10 or 15 years - they've completely redefined the terms so that people like the Clintons are viewed as hard-left.
And they're still redefining terms. "WMD" now means hydrogen generating appartus (a pretty far cry from its original meaning of nuclear weapons). "Compasionate" now means detention camps, blatant racism and homophobia, and a deliberte attempt to dismantle the programs that protect our most vulnerable citizens. "Patriotism" means unquestioning obedience. "Treason" means disagreement. It's Newspeak, come to life.
take em to the tool shed farmer.
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