In a recent interview by Brit journalists Specialist Anthony Castillo was quoted saying:
"We're more angry at the generals who are making these decisions and who never hit the ground, and who don't get shot at or have to look at the bloody bodies and the burnt-out bodies, and the dead babies and all that kinda stuff."
[Google Bob Graham's: 'I Just Pulled the Trigger' report]
The allies might also spoil the 'celebrations' as according to Brit press, MPs from across the political spectrum reacted with shock and concern to revelations that trigger-happy US troops in Iraq regularly kill civilians.
Yesterday the Evening Standard published confessions from American soldiers that they have fired indiscriminately at non-combatants and left wounded fighters to die or even shot them.
The GIs said they were often unable to tell civilians from enemy. [Woops!]
Former defense minister Peter Kilfoyle, said: "I think the Standard's report shows, sadly, that the predictions many of us made - that the invasion of Iraq would increase chaos - have been coming true.
"While the British have their own difficulties, their experience in peacekeeping makes them far more disciplined than their American counterparts. It is indicative of how badly planned and ill thought-out the whole Iraqi escapade was."
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Excuse me but what is Rumsfeld 'celebrating' again?
Well, duh. We're celebrating that the Iraqis are just like us. You know, free and stuff. Pay no attention to the press restrictions and our killing them. Damn, we're Americans!
NTodd |
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06.21.03 - 7:58 am | #
Why credit Britain? Aren't the Shi'a mullahs really the ones keeping the peace in Basra?
cassie |
06.21.03 - 9:03 am | #
Fascism: 2 of the definitions apply here.
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
I used to love July 4th. But that was back before it became an instrument.
So should we have big parades with the local military marching? Have flags all over the place? And really big pictures and murals of Bush? Yeah, you know, just like Hitler and Saddam used to have!
gttim |
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06.21.03 - 9:12 am | #
MYOB, didn't you get the memo? This is *America*. Recall that our nation is inherently superior, so we'd never let nationalism take over here.
NTodd |
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06.21.03 - 9:22 am | #
Aria asks, "Excuse me but what is Rumsfeld "celebrating' again?
Why "Mission Accomplished" of course!
couldntresist |
06.21.03 - 9:24 am | #
Rumsfeld's effort is meant to link the war in Iraq with American patriotism. As such, it's justification by PR, something the Bush administration does tirelessly. But perhaps this time they've actually startled a few conservatives who may now wonder about that ideological Kool-Aid Bush has been pushing on them about the war.
David W. |
06.21.03 - 9:29 am | #
Rumsfeld's effort is meant to link the war in Iraq with American patriotism. As such, it's justification by PR, something the Bush administration does tirelessly. But perhaps this time they've actually startled a few conservatives who may now wonder about that ideological Kool-Aid Bush has been pushing on them about the war.
David W. |
06.21.03 - 9:30 am | #
anyone have any list of what cities have agreed to adopt rumsfeld's ideas for the 4th of july celebration? i've been invited to the one in philadelphia and i gotta decide whether i should go. i'm not willing to sit through some triumphalist schlock.
upyernoz |
06.21.03 - 9:40 am | #
Are there any psychologists or psychiatrists out there that may have some thoughts on Rumsfeld's personality disorder? Although I am certainly no expert (but enjoy playing on here),I feel the man is "certifiably nuts". What DSM classification would he fall under?
This is certainly one very dangerous man!
sigh.. |
06.21.03 - 9:41 am | #
I had always thought that Independence Day celebrated the successful outcome of the Revolutionary War.
Maybe these new directives are intended to mark the rebirth of our nation, under the leadership of King George of Crawford.
If this is the case, they should wait until the job is truly finished.
TownDrunk |
06.21.03 - 9:41 am | #
I bet Pittsburgh signed up. We have fireworks for every damned thing, from baseball games that we lose (often), to baseball game that we win(seldom), to secretary's day, to New Year's, to, of course, the 4th of July. Pittsburgh will take any excuse to add a new element to our nearly daily fireworks display.
Mac |
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06.21.03 - 10:33 am | #
Town Drunk:
The 4th celebrates the Declaration of Independence, and thus the beginning of the Revolution, not it's sucessful outcome. On July fourth, 1776, the outcome was still very much in doubt.
Mac |
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06.21.03 - 10:39 am | #
I stand corrected. All these years I've been getting hammered for the wrong reason. It was still fun.
TownDrunk |
06.21.03 - 10:43 am | #
I noticed their directory of patriotic events left out the ACLU.
John |
06.21.03 - 11:05 am | #
I don't get memos NTodd. They don't have couriers deliver them to you while your in the unemployment lines.
I'm contacting my local city officials to see if there's still time to get one of those great big set pieces where the sparklers spell out the words for the whole crowd to see:
"Apparently. The project even has a name: Operation Tribute to Freedom, putatively overseen by Air Force general Richard B. Myer."
This is not creepy, just crappy reporting.
'Air Force general Richard B. Myer', seems to be largely identical to Air Force General Richard B. Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who oversees lots of things, like the whole military. This includes "Operation Tribute to Freedom" which is a much broader, if blander effort than hi-jacking the 4th of July. http://dod.gov/specials/tribute/
Boiled down it amounts to spending millions of DOD funds to "Support the troops and by the way vote for the Commander in Chief".
The Bush Administration trying to monopolize all avenues of public discourse? Who woulda thunk?
Bruce Webb |
06.21.03 - 11:48 am | #
Godwin's Law enacted on the 4th post! And here's a corollary, the first one to call someone a Nazi has lost the argument.
Bird dog |
06.21.03 - 11:50 am | #
Now, quoting local alternative weeklies with such astute journalistic insights as "Ramrodding past Secretary of State Colin Powell a new American foreign policy, Diplomacy Through Bombsight."
Eschaton has truly lost any respectability it once had.
Meanwhile, if you really want to laugh along with/at Rumsfeld, IMAO is the place to be.
Walter Cronkite |
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06.21.03 - 12:07 pm | #
If you don't celebrate Iraq on da 4th you'll be using Fireworks of Mass Destruction!
Ahhhhhhhhrrrrgggghhhh!
Harry Tuttle |
06.21.03 - 12:12 pm | #
there is an interesting bottom line here in America, and I am real keen to watch as Bush Co crosses it.
This line is ... that many Americans actually have a moral map developed, GOP or Dem, and when that line is crossed rightous indignation and anger follow.
In the last month my very conservative father has gone from 'Bush is magnificent (just after 9-11 blowhorn talk) to almost ranting yesterday about the corruption.
When I said it's like the Bush Cartel is running a big game on America and he answered 'Exactly'... I almost fell over in shock...
So, here me now BushCo, keep pushing....
bayard |
06.21.03 - 1:03 pm | #
Godwin's Law enacted on the 4th post! And here's a corollary, the first one to call someone a Nazi has lost the argument.
No; Godwin's Law is inapplicable to topics that are actually about fascism or characteristics of fascism. Hunter's Challenge applies. (Damn, I love that phrase.)
Hunter |
06.21.03 - 1:11 pm | #
Godwin's Law is also inapplicable when you have known fascist operatives like "Bird Dog" and Rosie Joe Tiernan, AKA "Walter Cronkite" infesting the board like the little parasitic vermin they are.
Gary Frazier |
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06.21.03 - 1:20 pm | #
Godwin's Law is also inapplicable when you have known fascist operatives like "Bird Dog" and Rosie Joe Tiernan, AKA "Walter Cronkite" infesting the board like the little parasitic vermin they are.
Gary Frazier |
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06.21.03 - 1:21 pm | #
Why do you assume Brownshirt B isn't also Rosie Joe?
dave |
06.21.03 - 1:31 pm | #
Of course it's problematic to make such blanket comparisons. But specific examples could be made...
For instance, let's imagine another nation that invaded a nation using the pretext of "national security," or "liberation."
Everyone agrees that the Soviet Union under Stalin was a horrible place...torture, labor camps, millions executed, and so on. A place that made Iraq look like a summer camp.
So how would the current US political and media ruling class elites have reacted if a country decided to invade the Soviet Union to protect itself and liberate those people?
It doesn't take much imagination to explore this further except to say that Orwell was a very prescient fellow...
Elias |
06.21.03 - 1:32 pm | #
Sorry 'bout the double post. It happens.
Gary Frazier |
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06.21.03 - 1:38 pm | #
"In the last month my very conservative father has gone from 'Bush is magnificent (just after 9-11 blowhorn talk) to almost ranting yesterday about the corruption.
When I said it's like the Bush Cartel is running a big game on America and he answered 'Exactly'... I almost fell over in shock..." --Bayard
And three of my friends who were dedicated Hillary and Bill haters and lifelong Republicans can't mention Bush's name without turning red and spewing invective about him. They detest him with with a strength that surpasses what they felt about the Clintons.
I never thought I'd live to see these conservatives say a nasty word about a Republican president, and yet it's happening.
Shaw Kenawe |
06.21.03 - 2:15 pm | #
Hey, now we can rename the 4th "Subjugation day".
Or maybe "Empire Day", so that the president can say it without stumbling over too many syllables.
Jon Hendry |
06.21.03 - 2:36 pm | #
"Sorry 'bout the double post."
It was worth reiterating.
dave |
06.21.03 - 2:40 pm | #
I think it's time to break out the "CREEP" (Committee to Re-Elect the President) meme. As in, "Rumsfeld's attempt to hijack the 4th of July is just part of their CREEP strategy."
Theresa |
06.21.03 - 3:11 pm | #
Of course, CREEP doesn't work.
We're not reelecting the fratboy coward.
He was never elected in the first place.
Gary Frazier |
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06.21.03 - 3:29 pm | #
By the way, count me as among those surprised that Rumsfeld has time to worry about what the suggested public messages will be in local 4th of July celebrations around the country.
The fact that the Defense Department has the inclination to care about this is, well -- as Atrios said -- creepy.
But then again, the military branch of our government, under Rumsfeld, has been taking on ever-expanding responsibilities. Rumsfeld is perhaps as active a participant in foreign policy as Powell is, and shapes a considerable portion of the international agenda outside what could be considered the "military" realm. He does not seem to have a clear picture of what areas of policy are military affairs, and what areas are civilian affairs, and frequently blurs that line. A worthwhile note, for those concerned about undue military intervention in government affairs.
Hunter |
06.21.03 - 3:54 pm | #
Are there any psychologists or psychiatrists out there that may have some thoughts on Rumsfeld's personality disorder? Although I am certainly no expert (but enjoy playing on here),I feel the man is "certifiably nuts". What DSM classification would he fall under?
This is certainly one very dangerous man!
This is starting to get attention. Here's a link regarding a coming book, Snakes in Suits, that deals with the issue.
"Hare puts the average North American incidence of psychopathy at 1 per cent of the population, but the damage they inflict on society is out of all proportion to their numbers, not least because they gravitate to high-profile professions that offer the promise of control over others, such as law, politics, business management ... and journalism."
here's my own take on the matter as concernes Bush and the B-Scan test (during a guest blog bit at Digby's), though I think Rummy fits the profile just as easily.
The short answer is yes, they're nuts. (Didn't Arrianna Huffington just do a recent piece on this too?)
Thumb |
06.21.03 - 3:57 pm | #
Godwin's Law enacted on the 4th post! And here's a corollary, the first one to call someone a Nazi has lost the argument.
Bird dog | 06.21.03 - 12:45 pm | #
godwin's law only applies when its over-the-top hyperbole.
we are past that, & the comparisons are now very much valid.
or hey, i'll just sidestep it & say BUSH REGIME = MARCOS REGIME
are you any more proud of that?
n69n |
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06.21.03 - 4:04 pm | #
If the administration used as much energy on making Iraq a better place as they do trying to convince us it is a better place the Iraqis swould have electricity, runnung water and security all the time. Instead we have Bush talking about revisionist history and Rumsfeld contorting himself in so many positions to blow smoke up our a**'s.
Mike S. |
06.21.03 - 4:07 pm | #
If the administration used as much energy on making Iraq a better place as they do trying to convince us it is a better place the Iraqis swould have electricity, runnung water and security all the time. Instead we have Bush talking about revisionist history and Rumsfeld contorting himself in so many positions to blow smoke up our a**'s.
Mike S. |
06.21.03 - 4:07 pm | #
Oh sorry...I forgot to follow up my previous post: A country did invade the Soviet Union. It was called Nazi Germany...
Anonymous |
06.21.03 - 4:40 pm | #
sorry, that one was mine...
Elias |
06.21.03 - 4:42 pm | #
...Which begs the question: If this wasn't able oil, then why not get some other country to do the job of destroying the Iraq regime along with its WMD? Why not hire out the job of liberating the Iraqi people? There are plenty of countries who could do it. We could have given the Iranians or the Kuwaitis the weapons and armor to do it...the possibilities were endless. Why subject our troops to such danger?
Elias |
06.21.03 - 4:44 pm | #
I used to work at B&N and the corporate overlords micromanage the hell out of that company. I can only imagine the disgruntled government employees who have to deal with Rummy breathing down their necks on a daily basis.
Jorge |
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06.21.03 - 4:45 pm | #
I meant, "If this wasn't about oil..."
Elias |
06.21.03 - 4:45 pm | #
personally, I like the trolls now and then - it makes me feel like I'm at the family table with my relatives who are right-wingnuts, who taught me that the Clenis was the source of all evil (never free trade, deregulation, tax cuts for the rich, etc., which have much more personal impact on their lives). What I noticed about that story is that another family member spent 10 years in Orange County and as I remember, OC ain't terribly liberal (except maybe for Laguna Beach), so if THEY're dissing Rummy, then things must be beginning to change!
francoise |
06.21.03 - 5:28 pm | #
personally, I like the trolls now and then - it makes me feel like I'm at the family table with my relatives who are right-wingnuts, who taught me that the Clenis was the source of all evil (never free trade, deregulation, tax cuts for the rich, etc., which have much more personal impact on their lives). What I noticed about that story is that another family member spent 10 years in Orange County and as I remember, OC ain't terribly liberal (except maybe for Laguna Beach), so if THEY're dissing Rummy, then things must be beginning to change!
francoise |
06.21.03 - 5:28 pm | #
Like the trolls call the shots. Yeah. Hunter's Challenge is the correct rule of thread here.
francoise - lovely name. And Shaw Kenawe - I really think the real conservatives are getting the picture about Bushco. They are a bunch of extremists, and obnoxious about it.
Go ahead, Rummy, try to run the 4th of July. Remember what happened to our last King George?
Tena |
06.21.03 - 6:06 pm | #
"Operation Tribute to Freedom"
What a scam! As if Iraq was somehow a threat to our freedom.
Why can't Americans see through the baloney being put out by the Republican juanta???
Anonymous |
06.21.03 - 6:16 pm | #
Anon - "Why can't Americans see through the baloney being put out by the Republican junta???"
Because American are busy. It takes awhile for the information to get through. I think it is, though, slowly.
Tena |
06.21.03 - 6:25 pm | #
Why can't Americans see through the baloney being put out by the Republican juanta???
I'm sorry, what was that? I was busy playing my Xbox, and kinda lost track of what you were saying. Oh, sorry, gotta go see Hulk. Maybe later.
NTodd |
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06.21.03 - 6:29 pm | #
NTodd - Ok, maybe I'm too easy on people by saying they are busy. Maybe they just don't care as much as we wish they did. It's all so remote - our wars are never fought here. We still have our electricity, and most people still have water (I'm having a problem with that personally) and there isn't a cholera epidemic, etc. We really are spoiled, and get lazy and don't pay attention. We are a nation with ADD.
Tena |
06.21.03 - 6:53 pm | #
I don't get memos NTodd. They don't have couriers deliver them to you while your in the unemployment lines.
You can't be in an unemployment line. The tax cut passed, so everything is great and jobs are being created all over. You must've just misread the signs on the door. Or not gotten that memo, either.
(In all seriousness, I'm sorry that you are in lines where the memos can't reach you. My company has gone from a peak of 130 people in 2001, down to 21 this year--I've been extremely lucky as a senior staff member, and have seen how difficult things have been on my good, long-time friends.)
NTodd |
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06.21.03 - 7:30 pm | #
We're getting awfully close to "the dog ate it" territory, aren't we? (from Reuters):
Bush Says Iraqi Weapons Sites Were Looted
By Randall Mikkelsen
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush, trying again to explain the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, said on Saturday that suspected arms sites had been looted in the waning days of Saddam Hussein's rule.
"For more than a decade, Saddam Hussein went to great lengths to hide his weapons from the world. And in the regime's final days, documents and suspected weapons sites were looted and burned," Bush said in his weekly radio address.
It is believed to be the first time Bush has cited looting to explain the inability of U.S. forces to uncover chemical or biological weapons in Iraq, a U.S. official said.
Bush had previously said weapons may have been destroyed before the war. The U.S. military has been criticized for failing to prevent looting at an Iraqi nuclear facility.
Bush has been widely criticized for misleading the public by asserting that Saddam had stockpiles of unconventional weapons that menaced the world. The allegations were Bush's main justification for bypassing the United Nations and ordering the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq...
dave |
06.21.03 - 7:34 pm | #
NTodd - Ok, maybe I'm too easy on people by saying they are busy. Maybe they just don't care as much as we wish they did.
Tena - no harm, no foul. A bit of cross-posting I think--I actually agree with you. People are living their lives best they can in a crappy economy, or are distracted by the bread and circuses our technology offers. Result is the same: people are anesthetized and not able to pay attention to what's going on.
NTodd |
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06.21.03 - 7:34 pm | #
Tena,
Unless the situtation deteriorates to the point where Homer Simpson is deprived of his beer and his TV (the electricity goes out and the food transportation system breaks down), he will not something something and the Duck Pit will remain a fantasy.
But should Homer something something, all bets are off, and the plutocrats will find themselves in a world of hurt.
This bunch is arrogant and stupid enough to allow it to happen.
Gary Frazier |
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06.21.03 - 7:35 pm | #
NTodd and MYOB - I feel really bad, too, for all these Americans who are out of work, no prospects - it's shameful. And I wouldn't wish it on anyone as a way of getting rid of Bushco. But surely the numbers of the unemployed will make an impression on an otherwise distractable populace.
I hope you find work soon, MYOB.
Tena |
06.21.03 - 7:38 pm | #
What is the "duck pit"
Patriotboy |
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06.21.03 - 7:41 pm | #
Gary - I agree that this bunch is arrogant enough to let things spiral out of control. Look how far out of control they are now -
Tena |
06.21.03 - 8:03 pm | #
Like you NTodd, we had an engineering team that was cut to almost 1/10th it's size after the layoffs. The telecom industry was hit hard after WorldCom F**KED everyone over.
The kids love fireworks so I'm really going to have to skimp on things if I'm going to have enough funds to buy at least some fireworks for them to watch.
When it came to the 4th, I usually went all out. Last year at this time I spent over $500 on fireworks just so my neighbor's kids could also enjoy the 4th.
Their parents are divorced and the mother get's them for the holidays while he keeps them the rest of the year due to job reasons.
She can't afford fireworks, and the father figures since he keeps the kids year round that he doesn't have to donate/give her enough to cover it.
I just know they're going to show up expecting another $500 worth and it really kills me thinking about the disapointment on not just my kids faces, but their own.
This really stinks.
Thanks Tena, NTodd. I hope neither of you have kids(yet).
Sometimes the pain of seeing their expectations shattered is worse than death could possibly be.
"But surely the numbers of the unemployed will make an impression on an otherwise distractable populace."
I'll tell ya, my worry is that BushInc. will (again?) screw with the voting machines so that it won't matter who the people actually vote for, he'll win.
Such is my contempt for that stupid, lying, mean-spirited piece of crap.
Anonymous |
06.21.03 - 8:36 pm | #
Thanks Tena, NTodd. I hope neither of you have kids(yet).
Not yet, but sometime in the next couple years. We want kids, but it is sometimes scary to think about what kind of world they'll come into. I guess that happens every generation.
Hope you don't mind. I noticed a post the other day about a screaming child. Sounded like it was driving you crazy. Of course I don't know all of the details but if I can make a comment or two?
First off I know how you feel, I have a two and a half year old. And I have noticed a direct relationship (duh) toward my feelings of frustration for whatever reasons and impatience toward her. Here's hoping that the job situation improves for you and so many others.
I don't know how old the screaming one is but on the off chance that she's under one I'll tell you what we did. We swaddled her. That is we lay her on the bed on top of a "swaddling blanket" then wrapped it fairly snuggly completely around her. She was entirely covered including her arms just up to and & shoulders. Works like a tranqualizer for some reason.
After a year we let her outside to run, run, run. After a couple hours of this she should sleep like a baby if you'll pardon the pun.
Lastly realize that this is all perfectly normal and he/she will grow out of it.
Anyway if I've overstepped feel free to tell me to MMOB.
Fellow Parent |
06.21.03 - 8:55 pm | #
I never thought I'd live to see these conservatives say a nasty word about a Republican president, and yet it's happening.
Sure, first you say the right-wing media is suppressing the truth about all of the conspiracies and incipient fascism that abound here...now you say that, despite that, somehow, not only have moderates, but even rabid Republicans "seen the light" about Bush and speak up against him.
Pardon me while I scoff at your unconvincing anecdotal "evidence".
Walter Cronkite |
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06.21.03 - 8:56 pm | #
I'll tell ya, my worry is that BushInc. will (again?) screw with the voting machines so that it won't matter who the people actually vote for, he'll win.
Definitely, Master Rove has assured us this is the case. Therefore, you should not waste your time even voting. Tell your friends!
Walter Cronkite |
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06.21.03 - 9:06 pm | #
WC, scoff all you like. The truth will out, as they say.
Re: the claim that fascism is nigh, please note that we've been saying that it will be the case iff we fail in our fight against it. Looks like maybe we've reached the tipping point, is all.
Now, go study Zeno's Paradox and when you're half-way to enlightenment, let us know...
NTodd |
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06.21.03 - 9:07 pm | #
If there is anyone in the LA area that reads these comments this far:
Friday, June 27, is the Bush Protest, called by ANSWER, at the Century Plaza Hotel in Century City at 6 pm. Bush will be there for a fundraiser, and we shall give him a real L.A. welcome...
People from Orange County are carpooling to the Bush protest. We're getting lots of calls about it. It's looking like it will be big, noisy, and militant.
I was in the crowd the last time he was there for a fundraiser. It was great. Let's tell our little tinhorn Texas Hitler what we think in person.
Mike |
06.21.03 - 9:18 pm | #
Speaking of the 4th of July, fascism, and raving lunatics, I just got this from Conservative Action Alerts (always fascinating to see just what psychos these benighted folks are).
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R. Porrofatto |
06.21.03 - 9:29 pm | #
I'll spare you the rest.
R. Porrofatto |
06.21.03 - 9:29 pm | #
"Pardon me while I scoff at your unconvincing anecdotal "evidence"."
No, pardon me while I scoff at your ignorance, Crankshit. In my opinion, there is a very definite disconnect between what the propaganda agencies (formerly known as our News media) are saying about Dear Leader and his policies and what people on the street are thinking. As the Bush regime becomes even more intrusive ("Operation Tribute to Freedom" -gimme a break!!)' as the numerous lies and distortions about Iraq's WMD's are exposed, as the situation in Iraq degenerates further into anarchy, as our economy tanks because of Bush's fixation with tax cuts for the wealthy, as the number of people lacking jobs or healthcare reaches levels unacceptable in an industrialized society, it is going to be impossible for most mainstream Republicans to defend this guy. The GOP is going along with Bushco for now because Boy George is a political fundraising phenomenon (It's the only thing he has truly mastered in his entire pathetic life)but as more and more moderate Republicans become turned off by Bushco's extreme rightwing agenda and start threatening to switch Party affiliations, you'll see how fast Boy George becomes a political liability. That can't happen fast enough for me; I want my country back now!
gene |
06.21.03 - 9:51 pm | #
Better get out your conspiracy-generating software QUICK! Planted forgeries? Or is that too obvious? This could be an even more devious plot by the evil Bush...
U.S. Forces May Have Found WMD Documents
By JIM KRANE
ASSOCIATED PRESS
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -
U.S. forces acting on an intelligence tip raided an abandoned Baghdad community hall early Saturday and seized documents that may contain information about Iraq's suspected weapons of mass destruction.
The documents, bearing the seal of Saddam Hussein's secret service, were being handed over to senior intelligence analysts. Some papers referred to Iraq's nuclear program.
Walter Cronkite |
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06.21.03 - 10:10 pm | #
And after we certify that Saddam has indeed been killed, yet another of the weak twigs opposing the Bush administration's evil plot to take over the universe will be crushed!
DNA tests after missiles strike 'Saddam convoy'
Human remains removed after US Hellfire missiles target source of dictator's satellite phone call
Jason Burke in Baghdad
Sunday June 22, 2003
The Observer
American specialists were carrying out DNA tests last night on human remains believed by US military sources to be those of Saddam Hussein and one of his sons, The Observer can reveal.
The remains were retrieved from a convoy of vehicles struck last week by US forces following 'firm' information that the former Iraqi leader and members of his family were travelling in the Western Desert near Syria.
Military sources told The Observer that the strikes, involving an undisclosed number of Hellfire missiles, were launched against the convoy last Wednesday after the interception of a satellite telephone conversation involving either Saddam or his sons.
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06.21.03 - 10:12 pm | #
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dave |
06.21.03 - 10:17 pm | #
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
The sound of the electorate once all of the anti-Bush canards have fallen away...
Walter Cronkite |
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06.21.03 - 10:18 pm | #
Funny how the moronic brownshirt fucks are all of a sudden so ready to believe the "liberal" media.
Back to the circle jerk, Brownshirt W... Brownshirts BD and "Anonymous" are waiting...
dave |
06.21.03 - 10:18 pm | #
In Rumsfeld's press conference, he soon got to the issue of the Iraqi occupation.
"Our clean up in Iraq is going well. Soon we will have hunted down and killed every Iraqi."
Conzoleezza Rice whispered into his ear.
Rumsfeld rolled his eyes. "I mean a stable government will soon be set up."
"The president keeps referring to Iraq as a ‘battle’, thus implying it is part of a continuing war," said one reporter, "Who do you have plans to attack next?"
"Let's see." Rumsfeld pulled down a map of the world with the U.S. at the center, where it's supposed to be. It looked at it for a while. "It would probably be easier to just list the countries we have no plans of attacking. One is Britain. Another is Australia. Not attacking Israel. No plans for Canada... no, scratch that, I misspoke there. What are these islands up here, Dr. Rice?"
"Those are part of Norway," she answered, "We have plans."
"What about down here at the bottom?"
"That's not really a country," Rice told him, "That's Antarctica."
"But there are people there?"
"Scientists doing research."
"Well, I want to know what ‘research’ they are doing and have plans to eliminate them all if necessary," Rumsfeld said and then looked back to the map. "So what's left? Well, there's are own country, the United States."
Rice whispered in his here.
"Sorry, there are plans to attack some parts of the United States, the parts that aren't being American enough. They may need a regime change."
"Are you allowed to attack parts of your own country?" asked a reporter skeptically.
"There is precedent," Rice explained. "The Civil War."
"But those countries seceded."
"And this is a preemptive strike before places secede," Rice said.
"Or to places we wish would secede," Rumsfeld added.
"But what is most likely your next target? Is it Syria?"
"We don't want to reveal our planning," Rumsfeld answered, "Everyone except Britain, Australia, Israel, and most of the U.S. should consider themselves equally likely to be attacked."
"Does the recruiting of more people who can read French to help translate intelligence give any evidence of who you plan on attacking next?" asked a reporter.
Rumsfeld pulled out a Colt Python and pointed it at the reporter and pulled the trigger. It clicked empty. "I should probably explain this. I've decided to move to a revolver with only some of the chambers containing bullets. Thus, if your question displeases me, you may get shot, or you may get off with just a warning."
"How many chambers have bullets?"
"I don't remember. If I get asked five more idiotic questions, we'll find out."
"North Korea may have aimed a laser at one of our helicopters," said a reporter, "Will there be any repercussions?"
"I have discussed this with some visiting Nort
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continued:
"I have discussed this with some visiting North Korean diplomats."
"The same ones that were later found dead, victims of the 'Rumsfeld Strangler'?" exclaimed the reporter. "Did you see anyone suspicious when you met with them?"
"I was too busy strangling Norks to notice anyone suspicious."
"Darn it," the reporter muttered, "I wanted to crack that case."
"Does the bombings in Saudi Arabia prove all the United States’ efforts have been futile," asked another reporter.
Rumsfeld seemed to think about this for a while. Finally, he shouted, Rarr!" and punched through the reporter's chest, producing his heart. He then put the heart in a plastic baggy and put it away in his pocket.
"Do you plan on eating that later?" asked a squeamish reporter.
"That would be disgusting," Rumsfeld answered, "It's a treat for the dog."
"Will the strike against the terrorists who committed these crimes involve wrath that is insane and disproportionate, or will the wrath be more tailored in their severity and less insane?” asked a Fox News reporter.
"Great question. I lobbied for the former. During the long, torturous deaths of the terrorists, I would have their families hunted down and their children gutted. Instead, that whiny liberal Colin Powell argued us down to just forcing the children to witness all their toys being smashed. The death of the terrorists will still be long and torturous though."
A ringing was heard, and Rumsfeld pulled out his cell phone. "What? Tell them we won't accept a surrender until we at least get to kill a few people." Rumsfeld looked back to the reporters. "I need to go now."
"But I still have a ques..." one reporter started to say, but Rumsfeld pulled out his revolver and pulled the trigger five times at the reporter. All clicked empty.
"Ah, I forgot to put any bullets in," Rumsfeld grumbled, "That's old age for you."
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06.21.03 - 10:23 pm | #
every 4th of july should be peppered with people holding 'when Bush lied, people DIED'
signs. I hate parades, but this year I will be holding that sign outside my house for the sheeple in my neighborhood.
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06.21.03 - 11:13 pm | #
walter, you is such a loser. all the other wmd finds turned out to bogus but this one is the real thing?!!! don't get your hopes up boy. and besides you are starting to snivel, and trolls aren't supposed to snivel. ain't gonna be no wmd finds troll. bush lied and people died! and people will continue to die. that is a fact.
dan hoppe |
06.21.03 - 11:38 pm | #
I think the reason Rumsfeld acts like a ass**** is because he can get away with it. Who's gonna slap viagra boy down anyway, Rove? Cheney? a repug senate?
rodger |
06.22.03 - 12:23 am | #
Better get out your conspiracy-generating software QUICK! Planted forgeries?
Do you mean planted forgeries like the Galloway papers or the Niger uranium documents?
Patriotboy |
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06.22.03 - 1:27 am | #
WaterCloset is such a tool.
He swallows more of fratboy coward's splooge on a daily basis than was ever spilled on the blue dress by The Clenis (TM) for the duration of the Monica mess.
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06.22.03 - 4:51 am | #
I saw that report about the raid yesterday in the Guardian. Isn't it amazing that a platoon commander in combat arms is so proficent in Arabic? The report didn't say anything about a translator but did mention how the officer picked up papers and looked at them and then said something to the effect of "See, this paper is from..., to..., with a cc to..., and talks about this forbidden program. I guess the officer is just lucky we invaded Iraq instead of North Korea where he would be totally lost (unless he minored in Korean).
BTW, I just love the idea of civilian celebrations of "Freedom" within the guidelines and as a military "Operation". I can't wait to see what they have in mind for Labor Day.
sac666 |
06.22.03 - 5:45 am | #
All right, WC, crank up the scoff-o-matic. My (lifelong Democratic) mom tells me that her (lifelong Republican) brother and sister and brother-in-law all detest Li'l George, even though they all voted for him.
So, what? You gonna tell me my momma's a liar?
vaara |
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06.22.03 - 6:54 am | #
Fellow Parent
No problems. My youngest is 2 1/2 months and she's been revealing her liking for 3AM talk sessions. The only problem is, when she talks, she talks very loud and in a manner that is hard to distinquish from SCREAMING!
On the other hand this could turn out to be an indication she has a future as a singer and her mother and I can expect to retire on a bungalo on her Maui estate made off the millions she earns selling CD's.
The tide is turning
Mike S |
06.24.03 - 2:52 am | #
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