I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
They're gaslighting us again: even if they read the reports after having them suitably distorted, the reports were wrong. Why did our reports suck? Shouldn't we go to war with real information? What happens with the next country on our list? Will the intelligence be just as "darned good"?
he's not a fact checker?
well OK, but I hate to tell you he's not much of a president either...
Not a fact checker? What the President says and does are two different things, then, even in the course of a fortnight: "I'm the kind of person that likes to know all the facts before I make a decision."
Funny, they didn't let a little thing like the Clenis™ not personally flying over to Sudan to check out how accurate that non-cooked CIA report about the "aspirin factory" was get in the way of hammering him on bombing it.
I guess you're only supposed to be responsible for checking out each and every "fact", report, bit of data, financial spreadsheet, etc etc etc produced by our sprawling federal government if you're a Democrat.
Damn the facts; full ideology ahead !
The intelligence services and the NSC are the fact-checkers. The facts were already in the NIE. The point is, the president couldn't bother to read it.
Well, what the fuck. I am a land surveying party chief. Obviously I can't hold both ends of the chain, right? I can't give line at the same time I'm running the transit, right? That's what the rod man and instrument man are there for. But I still take responsibility for the work of my crew.
Hey Duh-byuh! hate to tell you, but the buck stops there.
Especially when it comes to inconvenient facts.
On the other hand, they're masters at producing snappy little one-liners for the TV sound bites. Condensed leadership, reduced to a catchy package and mass marketed.
The buck stops here! Uh, unless it makes me look bad. You know what I'm saying.
Wait a minute! I'm the pResident*! The nice thing about being pResident* is you don't need to explain yourself to people. Unless you want to - like with a State of the Union address to bomb the shit out of Iraq.
Thank you and God Bless Amurikuh.
You know, this reminds me of the glorious days of that other ideologue, Ronald Reagan...early into his first term, the press was worried that he was delegating too much authority: "You don't know what's going on!" they would say. To which Reagan replied, "I'm in control."
Then the Iran-Contra scandal hit, and the press screamed "You're in control!" And Reagan replied "I didn't know what was going on!"
These people will never accept any responsibility for their actions. That sort of thing is only for us "little people." What they're doing now is yet another case of that.
"Oh, you think you are big enough to make me," Stark responded, according to witnesses. "You little wimp. I said come over here and make me. I dare you. You are a little fruitcake. You are a little fruitcake. I said you are a fruitcake."
Wouldn't it have been nice if Stark would have yelled that at Bush?
Except the facts weren't in the NIE either, because Cheney had already politicized it.
So this stonewall isn't going to hold either.
He's not a fact checker:
He's a Soldier Killer. He's an Oil Gusher. He's a Deficit Spreader. He's an AWOL Silver Spooner. He's an Iraqi Taunter. He's a Vote-Counter Stopper. He's a Drunk Driver. He's a Dry Drunkard. He's a Smokestacker. He's a Civil Rights Squasher. He's a Crotch Swaggerer. He's a UN Basher. He's a Polluting Plutocrat. He's a Christian Anti-Christ. He's a Business Failure. He's a Fake President.
Fact Checker?--He's a Fuck Chucker.
In my humble opinion, of course.
I sure hope the press doesn't let this die with the line that it was in the NIE, so its okay. As Lambert says, the NIE was already corrupted, but that seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle of the last week.
I am going to be very angry if they get away with this. Not that either me getting upset or them getting away with it is anything new...
The Condensed President -- Just add blood (or is it oil?) Gotta work on that riff ...
Here, no doubt, is the upcoming winger spin on that one:
"He can like to know facts without ever actually checking them."
So you see his two statements can both be "technically correct", even though one of them is likely dead wrong.
Three words: Faith Based Intelligence
Fact: Invading Iraq was good for the oil companies
Fact: Invading Iraq was good for advancing PNAC
Fact: Invading Iraq let Bush play military hero
WMD's, nuclear materials, imminent threat? Those aren't facts, those are details.
The Condensed President. Add money, spin and serve.
"I'm a man who likes to know all the facts when I make a decision. But make no mistake, I'm not a fact-checker."
I'm just dying to hear the press ask this one.
"The president is on record as wanting to know all the facts when making decisions. Yet the administration is on record saying the President and his National Security Advisor neglected to read the 90-page NIE in it's entirety. How does the president intend to know all the facts when neither he nor his advisors bother to read the source material?"
The Toasted President. Add facts, bake and discard.
Folks, you're not getting it. Bush was not saying he likes to know all the "facts"; rather, he was referring to an internal acronym:
FACTS = Fabricated Analysis to Create a Terrific Soundbite
I think he actually said "I like to know all the Fax."
FACTS = Fabricated Analysis to Create a Terrific Soundbite
Fabulous acronym!
or was it, "I like to smoke all the crack" ?
NTodd --
Fabricated? Or Faith-based?
watch them parse this one.
"I said I was THE KIND OF PERSON WHO LIKES TO KNOW ALL THE FACTS.. that doesn't mean I actually look for them. I just like to think I know what they are."
So who's lying? The official? Bush? Or both?
This reminds me of the Daily Show piece from a couple months back where Jon Stewart moderated a "debate" between President George W. Bush and Governor George W. Bush. He would ask a question, and show video clips of W. (surprise!) saying exactly the opposite thing as a candidate as he said as president.
They showed a clip of it during last week's Bill Moyers interview, so there is a transcript at: http://www.pbs.org/now/
transcrip...pt_stewart.html
[VIDEO CLIP]
Stewart: We're gonna have an honest, open debate between the President of the United States and the one man we believe has the insight and the cahones to stand up to him.
Thank you, Governor. Mr. President, you won the coin toss. The first question will go to you.
Why is the United States of America using its power to change governments in foreign countries?
Bush: We must stand up for our security and for the permanent rights and the hopes of mankind.
Stewart: Well, certainly that represents a bold new doctrine in foreign policy, Mr. President. Governor Bush, do you agree with that?
Bush: Yeah, I'm not so sure that the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, "This is the way it's gotta be."
Stewart: Well, that's interesting. Well, that's a difference of opinion, and certainly that's what this country is about. Differences of opinion. Mr. President, let me just get specific. Why are in Iraq?
Bush: We will be umm, changing the regime of Iraq for the good of the Iraqi people.
Stewart: Governor, then I'd like to hear your response on that.
Bush: If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly American is to go around the world saying we do it this way, so should you.
[END VIDEO CLIP]
What a joke. This president's relationship with the facts is extremely tenuous.
http://bush-lies.blogspot.com
Bush: If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly American is to go around the world saying we do it this way, so should you.
9/11 didn't change everything. Bush's policies and politics changed it. He manipulated and took advantage of the tragedy.
We needed the world then, and we've lost their support now. Another misfortune.
pie - it still amazes me that this admin has done everything antithetical to logic and good sense that it is possible for it to do so far -
Well, Tena, those poll numbers are dropping.
Funny how people will support anything until they open their wallets and moths fly out.
Yes, well, I know how they feel. And they are trying to sell us on the idea that the economy is doing swell, rescession over, happy days are here again...
Talk is cheap.
yah, i've been waiting for this economic boom that's been 'just around the corner' for three years now. Hope all those wealthy 5% are planning on a big shopping spree at the Wal Mart. Oh wait, that's right. They're handing over their tax refunds to the Bush re-election campaign. That'll be a major boost, you think?
fuzzy facts
In case anyone cares at this point:
I meant to write earlier that Bush is a "Fact Chucker" not a "Fuck Chucker." A "Fuck Chucker" is someone who throws away a perfectly good fuck. A "Fact Chucker" is someone who treats reality like chum being dished off the back end of a slow moving trawler.
"Fucking Fact Chucker" is my current description of Six-Pack/Gun America's slimy pResident.
Gotta go, the wine girl is coming around again...
Neither were lying, in the traditional sense. A lie, by necessity, has some connection to the truth, namely, being its opposite. But these statements have no relation to anything. They are floating in space. At the time they were spoken, they were issued for reasons of expediency--reasons which were probably forgotten almost immediately. They are neither truth nor lies, but merely flotsam and jetsam.
Little known complete fabrication:
Flotsam and Jetsam were pet names for Bush's testicles while he was aboard the Abraham Lincoln. However, while flying the jet to the carrier his peanuts were called Frick and Frack. Back on the ranch, his raisonettes are often affectionately referred to as Frat Boy's Berry Bursts.
Democracy, by its very nature, contains an element of obscenity about it. Just ask Senor Cajones Grande the next time he's in town...
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