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have the military admitted a Gulf war syndrome exists?
Here's something a lot of people don't know about vaccines, until recently all childhood immunizations contained mercury (a.k.a. thimerosal) as a preservative. It has been linked to a host of health problems.
http://www.909shot.com/Issues/me...ues/
mercury.htm
Note: although it is claimed that mercury in vaccines has been or is being phased out, I've read that vaccine manufacturers are allowed to get rid of their old lots of these contaminated shots not by destroying them, which would be the obvious ethical choice, but by using them up (i.e. selling them to pediatricians).
This is from 2001. Animal test were due out in 2003. Is there an update? Has any follow up appeared in the good old U.S. of A.?
Hah.
I Googled squalene+gulf war and got only one American cite, an ABC news story from April in which the DoD denied using vaccines with squalene.
You might have seen this before: the National Gulf War Resource Center has some news and information on Gulf War Syndrome.
related recent US happening:
http://estripes.com/article.asp?...4&
article=16848
WTF? Article is two YEARS old.
The US DoD explicitly DENIES the use of squalene:
See: http://
www.deploymentlink.osd.mi..._squalene.shtml
The UK Ministry of Defence does too, and offers as evidence analyses by an independent laboratory.
See:
http://www.mod.uk/issues/gulfwar...al/
squalene.htm
Meanwhile, the DoD says that some vaccines actually *did* have squalene in them, and calls for large-scale testing of veterans for squalene antibodies have been made (but not funded).
See:
http://www.autoimmune.com/GWSGen.html
Interestingly, the method by which squalene antibodies are detected is patented (#6,214,566), and the ONLY firm to which the patent is licensed refuses to allow it to be used by individuals whose doctors want to see if they have squalene antibodies. HOWEVER, the same firm is willing to allow tests to be conducted "when the benefits of the test become clear to all of the groups involved in assessing [Gulf War Syndrome]".
In other words, once there is a huge market, we will make our patented test available for a fee.
Squalene? Hm, that's curious. Squalene is considered to be the crucial intermediate in the biosynthesis of steroid hormones (cf. the brilliant total synthesis of cholesterol using squalene from R. A. Woodward, the greatest organic chemist of all time. As someone once commented waggishly, when it came to creating organic compounds, Nature was the champion but Woodward came a close second.)
Atrios:
I saw a documentary a few months ago in the Seattle International Film Festival thoroughly exploring the squalene issue. It is insidious! In particular, very few people realize the degree of suffering - in terms of death or permanent major debilitation and destruction of health - that the bad anthrax vaccinations have caused.
It is simply amazing how the military has gotten away with the bad vaccinations. They made the decision to lose a few soldiers to death and permanently destruction of health in order to vaccinate the remainder.
Thanks for bringing it up on your web site. People need to be held accountable.
This may be part of the problem.
Another part of the problem was the use of 'prophylatic' cholinergic irreversible blocking agents to head off the effects of nerve gas.
Of course, these compounds- in the absence of nerve gas to counteract- do a lot of neurological damage.
Then there's the whole depleted uranium song and dance- which may vary in its isotope content and toxicity. The defense department, unlike the rest of the world, insists that's harmless, too. But I won't get into that issue here again, it was covered pretty heavily here a few months back.
The consensus among the strident techno-trolls being that since it "only" produces alpha particles it couldn't be that dangerous.
Just try to tell them depleted uranium is intrinsically impure, also has varying content of neutron emitters, and has no problem making even 'cold' containers hot with time, and watch them start to foam at the mouth.
I won't speak to the health effects, but the depleted uranium effectively lost in spent munitions is a tremendous energy source waste.
I've worked with reagent grade uranium acetate as an electron microscopy stain for about 20 years. It's common knowledge that sooner or later any container holding enough of it gets hot. The debate here was about how dangerous it was in depleted form, and I related some stories from a chemist's perspective about it.
I got mobbed here by trolls who picked up physics manuals and insisted it couldn't behave as I described it. Of course, the idiots were reading about pure elemental uranium 238. Which isn't what is typically used.
kelly b - thanks for the perspective.
You're welcome. I wouldn't have hijacked the thread, but it looks like most people are out enjoying the day and not yakking here or else where!
Adjuvant is one word.
There are a significant variety of adjuvants availible today, many of which are endogenous molecules.
In addition, while the military's choice of using old vaccines (with significant side-effects) may be less expensive over the short term than developing a new vaccine, the litigious neature of the American legal system ensures that over the long-term, this is less true.
New vaccines for common pathogens are simply not that difficult to develop - the biggest hurdle is testing and funding.
The military has enough resources plowed into unecessary aircraft carriers and toilet seats to more than afford modern cutting-edge vaccine development for the troops.
They simply don't care yet.
You know coffee is absent when I delve into the realm of superredundancy.
But correctly so. They just don't care.
"loser" writes:
I won't speak to the health effects, but the depleted uranium effectively lost in spent munitions is a tremendous energy source waste.
I don't think so. Depleted uranium is what's left over after you extract the reactor fuel.
DEPLETED URANIUM?? DONT U MEAN NUCULER WASTE??
I do not understand this discussion about depleted uranium or nuclear waste storage cites in Iraq. Perhaps the subjects are being mixed, or I am simply lost.
My bad.
The topic was the use of unsafe adjuvants causing immune responses that resemble Gulf War syndrome.
After nobody said anything for an hour or so, I decided to expand it to other agents that might contribute to Gulf War syndrome.
I surrender the thread back to the original topic!
Not yet, kelley...
Techs aside, they're too cheap to fix it.
Note: DoD spends app $6 million per hour in Iraq!
Figure does not include "deconstruction" costs, much fatter.
(based on $1 bil/wk, probably low, does not include black)
It's sad that soldiers have always been the guinea pigs for the fat boys sitting comfortably in office.
Remember Agent Orange?
better living through chemistry!
inadvertant combos don't help either.
Not to beat a dead horse, but NewScientist has an interesting and relatively brief editorial on DU munitions.
http://www.newscientist.com/hott...5&
sub=Editorial
Gulf War II Syndrome - has anyone thought of, dare I say it, Bad Heroin? I read an article that said Saddam Hussein did not allow heroin in the country, but as soon as he was deposed, it was running pretty rampant in the less desirable back streets.
Atrios, that article might be old, but I think the issue is still important. It all goes back to the U. S. and other countries providing chemical, biological, and nuclear materials to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war.
Everything you've ever wanted to know about anthrax and the vaccine are on this web site:
AnthraxVaccine.org, by Dr. Merle Nass, M. D. She's given three congressional testimonies on the subject.
This article provides in-depth information about the U. S. role in providing materials to Iraq in the 1980s, anthrax, the creation of the vaccine, and the position of American Type Culture Collection in the mess. ATCC was the American company that provided the most biological materials to Iraq in the 1980s.
By the way, the Supreme Court had rejected an appeal by Gulf War veterans who claimed they were sickened by biological agents supplied to Iraq. The company the veterans sued was American Type Culture Collection. There's more detail about it (including links) on my blog.
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