I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Perfect!
AP 8/7/03
Former Vice President Al Gore, assailing U.S. policies in Iraq and at home, on Thursday argued that the Bush administration ``routinely shows disrespect'' for the ``honest and open debate'' that produces the truth.
If I remember correctly, Dukakis actually served in the Army...
Gee, I wish Dukakis was our president...
the big difference?
Dukakis wasn't hiding from protesters
Not only did Dukakis serve in the Army, he actually finished his service. Unlike some people.
and dukakis' helmet was on straight.
Thank you for joining these two. I plan to make a poster of it.
The same group who derided Dukakis for this photo are the ones crowing about Bush's landing on the carrier.
Would make a great t-shirt!
Put the Duke on the front and have the Repubs laughing and agreeing, then they see litte George on the back....ha ha ha, sorta like the Make 7 Up Yours t-shirts.
Looks like Bush has affected, in a rare moment of gestural honesty, the Middle Eastern usage of the thumbs-up hand signal. That is to say, fuck you all.
Michael S. Dukakis Army Specialist 3d 1955-57.
To complete the "spot the differences", Dukakis apologists or a Dukakis version of Peggy Noonan weren't claiming that he actually drove the tank and blew up several structures in a live-fire exercise; in addition, his press secretary didn't claim that he HAD to use the tank because all of the jeeps were out of service.
Dukakis: He served in the U.S. Army in Korea fom 1955 to 1957.
How about an ad campaign wih these two pictures and the caption: "One served his country honorably in Korea; the other failed to show up for National Guard duty."
I just read Gore's speech today. It is quite good--very tough but measured and intelligent.
http://www.moveon.org/gore-speech.html
One interesting nugget is this:
"I am proud that my party has candidates for president committed to those values. I admire the effort and skill they are putting into their campaigns. I am not going to join them, but later in the political cycle I will endorse one of them..."
While it is not completely clear, it does suggest that Gore might endorse one of the Democratic candidates before the nomination is decided. That would be interesting. Somehow, I don't think Joe will get his nod.
I also liked this:
"Robust debate in a democracy will almost always involve occasional rhetorical excesses and leaps of faith, and we're all used to that. I've even been guilty of it myself on occasion. But there is a big difference between that and a systematic effort to manipulate facts in service to a totalistic ideology that is felt to be more important than the mandates of basic honesty."
How about: "Which one really served his country?"
I wonder how many people thought of Dukakis and the tank when aWol dressed up as a pilot? I certainly did!
Michael Dukakis (Prof. Dukakis to me) did indeed serve in the military from 1955-57. He served as part of the post-war occupation force in Korea, near the town of Munsan, which itself is very close to the border with North Korea. Military service remains one of his fondest memories, mostly for the chance to meet so many great people and do things that you wouldn't ordinarily do in Brookline, Mass.
Of course, it was the norm at that time to serve in the military. That Prof. Dukakis did his duty is no surprise to anyone who knows him and his commitment to public service.
Today, it's not the norm to enter military service. Some do; most don't. I find volunteer military service to be more impressive than conscripted service, because it reflects an actual choice.
Curiously, you don't see a lot of politicians' children in the military. Charlie Moskos, a sociologist at Northwestern U. who's studied the military for 30 years, often says that military recruiting would benefit greatly if Chelsea Clinton or Jenna Bush were to enlist. I wonder why they don't?
But one photo was before 9/11 and the other since, see that changes everything. Don't you people know that?
The one on the right is a cowardly deserting horse's ass.
Atrios,
When I clicked to save the pic, it was named bushkakis2....what happened to bushkakis1?
just curious.
also, the date/hyperlink thingie is all gone funny and doesn't give a direct link to that picture, which i am distributing far and far and far and wide.
But I bet Dukakis didn't look like John Holmes in his uniform! Shrub must have at least 16 inches!!
the links are, as they say,bloggered at the moment.
Without conscription, it's usually the disadvantaged who enlist. Right now, Mexican nationals are joining up because of the promise of US citizenship when they're released from the military.
Can anybody essssplain to me why that photo-op of Dukakis was such a blunder? It's always mentioned as something of the "jump-the-shark moment" of his campaign, and it is mentioned frequently.
I didn't get it then; I don't get it now.
Phil,
Volunteer military service is a choice and that does make it admirable. Economics and demographics factor into that choice, probably more than commitment to national service. The children of politician usually don't fit the economic or demographic profiles. But yeah it would be great to see some high-profile expressions of commitment to national service via volunteer military service.
Reminds me of the SpongeBob episode where SpongeBob and Patrick use (music and rainbow)... IIIIMAAAAAGINATION.
Well in this case Rove has. Hee...Hee.
Hudson, it's because the 'liberal media' repeatedly said so. They define reality. You didn't 'get it' because you're capable of independent thought. A significant chunk of this country simply accepts that Dukakis did something wrong, without thinking about whether or not it's true.
Doesn't the one on the right look a lot like Snoopy?
I wonder if anyone has done a study on how debacles like Vietnam and Iraq have damaged military volunteer efforts...
This is great.
And in all honesty and with all objectiveness possible, W looks many many many times more foolish than Dukakis.
Unless you just think all democrats look foolish-- which may be what right-wingers think.
Actually, the photo that hurt Dukakis is not the one displayed here, but the one where just his eyes and helmet were showing out of the top of the tank. In other words, it dramatized what a short guy he is.
Plus, those colors W is wearing are just awful! Yuck!
One of these things belongs with the other...
Doesn't the one on the right look a lot like Snoopy?
Please don't insult Snoopy like that, Fool.
Also, I hope none of you are considering insulting Special Olympics participants with a similar comparison. I know I'm not.
How refreshing that Bush is willing to be so up nonest about the relatively small size of his penis!
Dukakis knows he looks stupid. Bush thinks he doesn't.
Joan Didion did a great essay on the 1988 campaign. Dukakis was trying to look tough at every stop, and paid for it. H.W. Bush toured Jordan as veep and commanded that camels be at every tour stop, so he could be photographed next to one, and didn't. (Nothing says "Near East expertise!" like standing next to a camel.)
That picture goes on the ol' clipboard. Thanks to whoever created it.
There's a winning strategy. Run GWB against previous failed liberal candidates.
Phil,
You make it sound like Chelsea etc. are making dishonorable choices by not joining the military. They're not. That's not the only way to make a real, positive difference in the world.
DUKAKIS LOOKED LIKE A DWEEB; BUSH LOOKS SO MANLY I JUST GET ALL WEAK-KNEED.
>Can anybody essssplain to me why that photo-op of Dukakis was such a blunder?
Because he looked comical rattling around in the tank. (You have to see the video.) He wasn't surrounded with adoring hand-picked military and media people like Commander Bunnypants was.
Exactly:
"Unless you just think all democrats look foolish-- which may be what right-wingers think."
Anyone remember when George McGovern was demonized (at least here in the South) as a commie-sympathizer, weak, un-American, etc., even though he was a decorated combat veteran?
Dukakis also got clobbered on this because of a very effective campaign ad by Lee Atwater using footage of the tank but with juiced-up sound effects to make the thing sound like a squeaky toy amusement park ride.
The Dem nominee should be looking for ways to use "Mission Accomplished" in a campaign ad next year.
Is there a full-length photo of Bush in the flight suit posted somewhere? Silly me, I didn't notice the padded crotch at the time. Thanks.
What I want to know is where's R2-D2?
You'd thing Dubyah would give his wingbot some publicity.
I found another Dubyah doll.
I got ya'll a president doll:
http://tinyurl.com/jcdi
Actually, the picture on the right makes me think of all those monkeys they used to shoot into space.
Just looking at Bush in that flight suit gets me hard.
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The Dubya picture appeared on the NY Review of Books front page in conjunction with the Norman Mailer piece "White Man Unburdened", and there was a nice quote from Mailer in the letters section in the next issue:
"People who lie as a way of life cannot protect any way of life"
It gets nicely to the core of the complaint against Bush.
Anyone see and can confirm this?
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. July 29-30, 2003. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
.
"Considering how President Bush has performed so far, do you think he deserves to be reelected or would the country probably be better off with someone else as president?"
8/01
Deserves
Reelection 36
Someone
Else 42
Depends
(vol.) 13
Not
Sure 9
But then,
"If the election for president of the United States were held today, for whom would you vote if the candidates were . . . ?"
Has Bush in the 50's, with Hillary at 35, Kerry at 35, Lieberman at 33
So, the FOX viewers seem to be getting a tad fed up.
I may have switched the deserves reelection and someone else numbers.
Sorry.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/at...s/
bushkakis.jpg
Walden: Dukakis also got clobbered on this because of a very effective campaign ad by Lee Atwater using footage of the tank but with juiced-up sound effects to make the thing sound like a squeaky toy amusement park ride.
Well, I think footage of Bushgag landing in that plane on the carrier could be accompanied by sounds of a 10-year-old making plane sounds. brrrphrrprrph-brrrphrrprrph. That would be funny. And then switching scenes to that same ten-year-old sitting on the ground with a play model carrier, swooping a model plane in his hand onto the deck of the ship. brrrphrrprrph-brrrphrrprrph
OOPS,
I got excited when I saw your numbers, but when i went to the site, i was disheartened.
8/01 refers to august of 2001.
not the first of august.
sigh...
but we still can dream.
Of course, one of those guys is a vet. Oh, everyone said that.
My nieces and nephew were trick or treating (they're two blocks away) and Dukakis personally came to the door, gave them candy, and chatted with them. They're 8-14. I thought that was good.
If Dukakis had only stuffed his pants with a pair of socks...
Dukakis also got clobbered on this because of a very effective campaign ad by Lee Atwater using footage of the tank but with juiced-up sound effects to make the thing sound like a squeaky toy amusement park ride.
The tank ad was pretty much the coup de grace in a campaign that included Willie Horton, "card-carrying member" of the ACLU, and all kinds of other cheap tricks. I even recollect seeing a flyer that suggested Dukakis was in favor of bestiality because he favored gay rights (see, Rick Santorum didn't invent that one, it's been around for a while).
Dukakis, of course, though he could take the high road and didn't respond to any of it, so it all stuck. That did him in as much as anything else.
It's worth noting, BTW, that after the campaign, when Lee Atwater was dying of a brain tumor (or whatever it was) and wanted to get right with God, he called Dukakis to his hospital bed, and apologized to the man.
If you want a real Dubya doll, just go here:
http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct...929CBE986&
_ts=y
s/n:r
I called him the Hollywood President back at the start of May, with similar photos
http://dimn.blogspot.com/
2003_04...e.html#93683343
Because he looked comical rattling around in the tank. (You have to see the video.) He wasn't surrounded with adoring hand-picked military and media people like Commander Bunnypants was That is because Dukakis wasn't adored by the military. Most Democrats aren't. If those sailors and Marines on the USS Lincoln were all hand picked they must have been working on picking them for a couple of months. I saw 1000s of smiling, cheering and clapping young people. It looked like the entire ship's company was on deck for the Commander-in-Chief's arrival. They loved it.
I just read Gore's speech today. It is quite good--very tough but measured and intelligent.
Gore had a lot of time on his hands. LOL
j -
The first bushkakis.jpg is here: http://www.geocities.com/pook_444/index.html.
I put it together a couple of days ago. I remembered Dukakis getting ripped apart for the tank op photo and wondered where the all the "liberal" media's wagging fingers and tsk tsks were for the Bush photo op, so that's my personal reason for the question mark in the middle.
if Chelsea Clinton or Jenna Bush were to enlist. I wonder why they don't?
You left out Dean's son who was recently arrested participating in a robbery and Al Gore's son who was arrested for driving over 100 mph in a 55 mph zone. Why don't they sign up for the military? Simple answer: they are not stupid. Would you if your father was President, former President, a former presidential wanna-be or a current presidential wanna-be?
actually the helmet IS on straight. its his head that's out a whack.
You make it sound like Chelsea etc. are making dishonorable choices by not joining the military.
I didn't get that take, but I'm pretty sure that if Chelsea or the Bush twins signed up, the attendant personal security problems, press intrusions etc. would make them net liabilities.
That's not the only way to make a real, positive difference in the world.
I don't think that's going to be an issue with the twins.
Slater, et. al.:
Here's another I don't get: Why do the military hate the Dems? It's the R's who get them killed & maimed. The Dems actually have something other than disdain for diplomacy.
Remember during the 2000 campaign when Bush said something like: "If ordered to deploy today, two whole divisions of the Army would have to say, 'Not ready for duty, Sir'"? That was a slanderous lie and was exposed as such within a few days in Congressional testimony. (I'm flying on what Al Franken said on C-Span at the end of May--and he's putting it in his new book.)
Why do the military support a nimrod who maligns them, impugns their professionalism, and lies about their preparedness?
Or, as the sign in the Humvee window says: "One weekend a month MY ASS!"
You know. . . every time I look at the picture of Bush. I just get this real creapy Fonzy from Happy Days vibe from it. I can't get the song out of my head now.
Oh yeah, Dennis, and Jenna and Barbara are busy getting plastered and huffing on Ashton Kutcher's bong, and probably other things of a similar shape.
It works both ways.
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