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GravatarSeems to me that Gore won densely populated urban areas, and Bush won the rural areas...but I think that's what people have been saying for years now...that's what the maps look like to me. Glad someone did one though.


GravatarI think the value added of this map in terms of information is that poor rural areas also voted for gore.


GravatarI'll stack up my muddleheadedness against anyone's, and I voted for Gore.


GravatarDemocrats have to learn better how to talk to the interests and needs of the middle class. Al Gore struck quite a few middle class voters as an elitist. Al Gore still strikes me that way, Bill Clinton spoke well to middle class voters.


Gravatar"Al Gore struck quite a few middle class voters as an elitist. Al Gore still strikes me that way"

HUH.
How did he get a greater portion of the black vote then even Clinton?
Clinton was the better bullshitter, must be great fun in a bar. Gore, was just more intellectual. Probably dull to sit in a bar with, but if you want a highbrow conversation, gore would be da man.


GravatarDemocrats have to learn better how to talk to the interests and needs of the middle class. Al Gore struck quite a few middle class voters as an elitist. Al Gore still strikes me that way, Bill Clinton spoke well to middle class voters.--

Al Gore is an "elitist" because there's an anti-intellectual vein in America which the Republican party takes advantage of constantly.

"He sounds smart, so he can't understand the values of 'normal' Americans."

I'd rather have a president who doesn't think I'm a blithering idiot who can be persuaded by the politics of victimization and baldfaced lies. Instead, we got Bush.


GravatarThese "cartogram" maps of the 2000 election should be of interest:

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~sara/h...ection/ map.html

These maps compensate for population density, they're really interesting, check em out.


GravatarMuddled middle--those that have access to cable news.

The poor can't afford it, and the wealthy are too busy to watch it.


OT, but didn't someone once say you saved your marketing campaign until after Labor Day for maximum impact? Lucky us, we get a teaser...

http://www.townhall.com/ columnis...n20030809.shtml


GravatarWhat's interesting is how many issues Bush ran on that were clearly beneficial only to the very rich, the most obvious of which was estate tax repeal. At the time, several of the obscenely rich (e.g., Warren Buffett) came out against repeal. The issue played very well, though, with people who wouldn't benefit--i.e., the middle class--who could hope (or delude themselves into thinking) that they might be rich some day.

I also think that we shouldn't quickly dismiss the idea that the Republicans know better how to appeal to the middle class, and not just in having a "nice" candidate instead of an intellectual "elite" candidate. In spite of all evidence to the contrary, people think Republicans are better with the economy, which is absolutely the number one issue for middle class folks. Association of Republicans with lower taxes is also a big boost in that demographic stratum. And in some places, I expect that the Republicans' appeals to "traditional family values" and superficial patriotism do well in the middle class (though in others, the intolerance of the family values platform and particularly the pro-life element must hurt them).

The tax issue is what it is. Bush proved you can get more votes by giving away candy than by asking the voters to have a nutritious meal--after his tax cuts, we'll all have cavities and malnourishment for quite a while, but what does he care?

But the Dems can run on being better stewards of the public's money and on being better at creating jobs. That's crucial, because that's what former Bush voters in the middle class could switch on. It is the economy, stupid.

Dean is doing a good job, I think, in positioning himself as a balanced-budget hawk with experience, which gives him some ground from which to snipe at Bush. Other Dems could do it too, though depending on what they've done in Congress, they may be more susceptible to the tired "tax and spend" label.

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GravatarThe Democrat Party, home of the rich and their low-wage servants.


GravatarI started thinking about colors
http://wuzzle.org/cave/colors.html
RED Signifies: strength, health, vigor, lust, danger, Holiday: Yule, Planet: Mars, Day: Tuesday Astrological: Scorpio
BLUE Signifies: tranquility, understanding, patience, health, truth, devotion, sincerity, honor, loyalty, peace, wisdom, protection during sleep, astral projection Planets: Moon, Venus, Saturn, Jupiter Days: Monday, Friday, Saturday, Thursday Astrological: Libra, Sagittarius
http://www.magicwicca.com/wicca/ ...color_assn.html
RED Courage, health, sexual love, strength, vigor
DARK BLUE Changeability, depression, impulsiveness
http://www.angelfire.com/journal...wers/ pcd25.html
* RED - Love, Passion, Aggression, Danger, Richness, Fire, the Devil, Joy
Red was a symbol of wisdom to the Aztecs, sacrificial blood to the Hebrews, the color of death in ancient Greece. Commoners in early Britain were not allowed to eat red food like lobster, red berries, fruit or mushrooms except at feasts to honor the dead.
* RED, DARK - I miss you
* BLUE, DARK - infinity; wear dark blue for fertility
http://members.tripod.com/ClanOf...anu/ colors.html
Red,
is the most exciting color and is known to escalate the body's metabolism. Dark red has anger implications it indicates high energy, determination, and much passion. The color red has been part of the English language since about A.D. 900. It is the primary color at the lower or least deflected end of the visible spectrum. Its name is used for shades ranging from very bright, bold red, to reddish yellow or reddish brown. Found not only in the lores of ancient medicine but in the superstitions of modern times, red has been viewed as the vigorous color of health. Red wool was applied to relieve sprains in Scotland, sore throats in Ireland, and to prevent fevers in Macedonia. The ruby, a precious gemstone with a brilliant red color, was worn in China to promote long life. The color red has also been a representation of love within a relationship between two people. A red rose, given to the bearer's lover or mate has always been known as a symbol of love. As well as the ever-popular red heart on Valentine's Day. Red has come to mean beauty, love, stength, energy, courage, career, goals, power, and willpower.Red is the color most associated with the South direction. In Christianity, red symbolizes Love, blood and the martyrdom of Christ. In Hindu belief, red represents the Kundalini or genital chakra.
Blue,
is the most calming color. It is considered to be the second most powerful color after red and blue is the color of constancy and faith, the color painters used for the Virgin Mary's robe, the color of the heavens and the oceans. The soothing color blue stands for sky, good health from good air, sensitivity, truth, sleep, healing, hope, friendship, protection, calm, creativity, patience, wisdom, peace, loyalty and ones desire to nurture. The word "blue", from Middle English blew and Old English Blaw, has been used since


Gravatarhttp://members.tripod.com/ClanOf...anu/ colors.html
The word "blue", from Middle English blew and Old English Blaw, has been used since about 1300 to describe a color of the spectrum. In the symbolism of heraldry blue is called azure and signifies piety and sincerity. Around the twentieth century it became a symbolic representation of the male gender. In Christianity, Blue symbolizes Mary and Advent. In Hindu belief, blue represents the throat chakra.


GravatarBut whoa,
http://www.loveposts.com/matrix.html
In the movie "THE MATRIX"...Morpheus asks Neo..what pill he wishes to take.......The blue pill stands for the dream world that Neo has been living in ( let's call it the ignorance is bliss pill)..The Red pill stands for the truth...which as we know in life is often the harder pill to take!


GravatarWhen did these colors first become associated with Politics?
Anyone up on who first started the "red state/Blue state" comparison?


GravatarThe Democrat Party, home of the rich and their low-wage servants.

What's a Democrat Party?


GravatarDemocrat Party. Isn't it what the Republic Party smears all the time?


GravatarThe red/blue state thing begins, I think, when NBC brought out that huge map during their election coverage in the 70s (1976?), and colored states red and blue depending on who won them.

If I recall correctly, all the networks use the same colors to depict the parties, and they switch each election. If that's so, the Democratic Party will be red in 2004 and the Republican Party will be blue.


GravatarSince the middle class is shrinking (the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer), I guess we really will have a Democratic majority soon!


Gravatarjesse -

Al Gore is an "elitist" because there's an anti-intellectual vein in America which the Republican party takes advantage of constantly.

"He sounds smart, so he can't understand the values of 'normal' Americans."

I'd rather have a president who doesn't think I'm a blithering idiot who can be persuaded by the politics of victimization and baldfaced lies. Instead, we got Bush.


I think you're the one with the bias on this jesse, not some anti-intellectual group of Americans. Bill Clinton was smart, and he sounded smart. People liked him. Al Gore sounded like a condescending jerk, that's why some people didn't like him. The muddled, middle class doesn't have an issue with smart people. They do have an issue with condescending jerks.

FWIW, Bush is starting to sound more and more like a condescending jerk when speaking to the press. I think that is part of what is hurting him in the polls.


GravatarWhat's a Democrat Party?

I'm not sure, but it sounds like a lot of fun.


GravatarUmmm... I really didn't think this was such a intricate concept: the news stations color winning states red and blue because, aside from being easily contrasting, they ARE THE FREAKING COLORS OF THE NATION'S FLAG.

I mean I'm sorry to bust William Golding's bubble up there but JESUS CHRIST ARE YOU INSANE?


GravatarErik

I agree. There is no question in my mind that Al Gore would have become President had he taken advice from Bill Clinton rather than his daughters. Then, when we needed Al Gore as a party leader he chose to wander France and grow fat and bearded. However, George Bush is politically adept and never never can we forget that.


GravatarA glimpse at the future, after the Bush administration is done strip-mining the economy:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/am...k.ap/ index.html


GravatarThe point is to be honest, and more politically adept than George Bush and advisors.


GravatarFor the anti-intellectuals:

It's April 14th. You're trapped in a room with George W. Bush and Al Gore. Which one would you rather have file your taxes?


GravatarI wouldn't trust Bush to lick a stamp properly, let alone do my taxes.

Al would probably have done a good job, but been really boring to listen to as he did them.


GravatarBack to the map: don't confuse the suburbs with rural areas. Different populations, different issues.

Monkey - and you just know he would have to explain in detail every little thing he was doing, and then give you an exhaustive recap at the end of it all.


GravatarNASA's also make it pretty straightforward to see the light (literally) on where the "blue" counties are and why they matter:

http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/ dat...yered_night.jpg


GravatarIt's April 14th. You're trapped in a room with George W. Bush and Al Gore. Which one would you rather have file your taxes?

Bush. I wouldn't pay any taxes. He'd just have James Baker fix them, then claim to know nothing about it.

Welcome to the "The dog ate my presidency" presidency.


GravatarEnjoyed the supercilious and twit like comments about income levels and the great unwashed.

Those aside, Ol' Bear's points of light and original map study show that of the 3,200 counties in his original post, Algore carried only 662, albeit the more populous ones...

Sure am glad we're a Republic.


GravatarKen, the great civil rights activist, wants to extend the vote to mountaintops, cropland, and deserts.


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