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I was helped here recently when I was looking for a common word to describe gov. bush, the Taliban, Scalia, the "Christian" Coalition, Tim Mcveigh, Trent Lott, etc
Regressives is the term I like. and sometimes Thugs
Heartless dickhead motherfuckers works well too but it doesn't convey what the problem is.
I like the term "motherfuckers" for them too, but it isn't comprehensive enough.
If it helps, POLITICAL AUTISM, sounds really cool.
I stole it from a kind of creepy article at Rense.
Here is the description used
"I've read that severe autism involves receiving a storm of sensory perceptions, literally assaulting a mind unable to properly sort them out. It is a terrifying experience, driving sufferers to avoid human contact."
Sure sounds like conservatives to me ( well garrafalo pointed out that REAL conservatives are for things like smaller government)
Conservatives would do well to remember that what goes around comes around eventually...
David Neiwert over at Orcinus (dneiwert.blogspot.com) has been worked up over the topic of fascism this past week (self-post; I'm linked). I spent much of the week arguing back and forth with a guy who insisted that Hitler was a liberal. And believed it, too.
Unlike the Pestilence in Broadcasting asshole, I like my perjoratives to have the sting of truth. I call W a coward. That bulge in his flight suit was a full diaper.
cosmic - I refer to the EIB as the Excrement in Broadcasting network.
Instacracker: just another moronic brownshirt fuck.
Hitler was a liberal
Well, he was vegetarian, wasn't he? Heh.
They are damn fascists. As the great Dr. Hunter S. Thompson said the other day.
MB [interviewer]: You compare him [Bush] to Hitler [in Kingdom of Fear].
HST: Yeah. Easy comparison. You can't compare him to Nazi Germany? Wait a minute, of course we can. What else can we compare it to? Two years, he took America from a billion dollar surplus into a poor country. In two years everybody's going broke and we've gotten into this desperate, stupid war. In two years! I mean, who are the Americans doing this?
[...] MB: And people love him.
HST: Yeah... Fuck, if that's not Nazi Germany—you've got Hitler and the good Germans running around—then I don't know what is.
This particular "liberal" is a writer and a student of language. If I find a better descriptive noun for these people I'll use it. But for now, Fascist (and the general adjective form, Fascism) evokes that nasty smell of coruption, imperialism and hate that currently infests our government in the form of these neoconservitives.
The destruction of language as a practical tool is, ironicly, a common fascist tactic as well.
Well, I hate to disagree with Dr. Thompson but wasn't Hitler actually pretty good for the German economy?
Seems damn unfair that we get Hitler's civil and foreign policy without his economic buildup. At least it would act as a sort of KY jelly...
Limbaugh using the term "intellectual chops" is frightening. One imagines a huge maw, tearing apart every progressive, humanistic idea ever conceived by the mind of man.
That anyone would even consider this bloated pustule's opinions as worthy of attention is even more frightening.
If I find a better descriptive noun for these people I'll use it. But for now, Fascist...
I try to use "corporatist". As Mussolini observed, it's the same damn thing. Yeah, it's obscure, but that's why I like the term: it doesn't carry the same emotional baggage as the F-word so I can get away with using it, and it is apt.
The "fascist miracle", as it was called, was hailed as the future of capitalism - because it essentially subjugated the state to corporate interests. It's why all the laissez-faire capitalists loved it - government not only ceased regulating businesses, but the state became an intrusive violator of individual rights in order to preserve and promote the capitalist structure, a processed helped along by ultra-nationalistic appeals to the "motherland".
In essence, the ultimate expression of right-wing economic ideology.
yeah, cause its ALWAYS great for the economy to provoke saturation bombing by b-24s and b-17's.....
Do you realise that with Arnold running for Calif Gov, the furthest left Republican is a guy whose father and mentor ("Uncle" Kurt Waldheim) were both Nazis?
That Rush page was absolutely f**king hilarious!
Living here in Missouri, I can say I'm ashamed that Rush is from Missouri. I'm also ashamed Gephardt is from Missouri too, but that's another issue entirely.
For starters, he thinks of corporations as living entities that deserve the same protections as living breathing human beings do. Thus what Gephardt proposes is somehow a bad thing.
That kind of thinking is a basic underlying tenet of Corporatism which Mussolini itself said was a psuedonym for fascism. This tenet being the act of placing the rights of corporations above those of the common man.
He then mistakes socialism for fascism.
And if he thinks that's a problem then he should also realize that any government regulation of the economy, and the companies that make it up, is a form of socialism.
Which I might add *IS NOT* communism.
The aspect in question that makes up socialism resembles *one* of the *stages* of communism in theory only, but true communism is nowhere near socialism nor fascism for that matter.
He then makes it seem as if this one act on the part of Gephardt, which is already being done by the way without him, makes Gephardt a fascist.
But what really makes this fat ass so funny is how, out of all the other main points of fascism, he makes a stretch in jumping to a deliberate conclusion that Gephardt is a fascist when they, he, them, and every other member of this administration, and he Rush himself, have embraced these tenets whole heartingly.
What a freaking loser!
Perhaps if he was an intellectual he might not have made that mistake.
MYOB'
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I have lots of stuff up giving reasons why I think Bush is proto-fascist. I include links to Milton Mayer's "They Thought They Were Free", based on interviews with ordinary Germans who had basically supported Hitler without being enthusiastic Nazis. For many Germans Fascism came quite gently.
The way a lot of Bush supporters just don't want to know the facts, don't care if he's lying or wrong, and absolutely hate anyone who criticizes him is a strong early warning sign. And some pretty sharp people meet some of those criteria -- Tom Friedman, most neo-cons, and Andy Sullivan. The unbelievable hue and cry against Krugman -- a centrist who dares to criticize Bush harshly but completely accurately -- is another, very strong warning sign. Limbaugh, Oliver North, Michael Savage, and others of that type are more evidence.
And imbecile moderate trolls who claim that almost no one is influenced by Limbaugh (et al) are still another sign. They hate Democrats so much that nothing Bush could possibly do would upset them or change their minds.
'Never has any people endured its own tragedy with so little sense of the tragic.''
http://www.thesentimentalist.com...ves/
000091.html
"Let's be clear: American fascism, if it comes, is not likely to come on the form of a charismatic leader pulling the political wool over the eyes of right-thinking Americans - for that, the common sense of most American citizens will do just fine in beating it back. But it is likely to come on the form of denigrated civil liberties in the face of governmental and corporate absolutism, coupled with expanded militarism, a structured class system, and an alienated, psychologically disenfranchised citizenry, among other characteristics. The day is hardly likely to come, then, when American jackboots parade down Main Street, but certainly could arrive when that all government policy is centered on "national security" issues as defined by a narrow set of corporate self-interests and ideological perceptions about foreign policy, complete without any true recourse by the citizenry.
...such a day is already close at hand."
I call them Looters.
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The problem, as I see it, in a tit-for-tat exchange of strong rhetoric between left and right is that the "rhetorical framework", for lack of a better term, is not symmetrical. People understand right-wing "devil terms" much better than they do left-wing ones.
Americans have a better basic understanding of what socialism and communism are than they do in the case of fascism. So "communist" has a greater rhetorical impact than does "fascist". When people think of fascism, they think of Nazi Germany pretty much exclusively - and of course, they don't see anything like that existing here. So they tend to shrug the term off.
After 50 years of a Cold War though, it became much easier for Americans to connect communism to left-wing politics at home, however unjustified the association was. So the term resonates in the American mind far better than does "fascism". Americans tend not to connect any kind of ideology to extremist right-wing movements in this country; from my limited experience, they see these movements as collections of yahoos who can be safely ignored. Even in the case of Timothy McVeigh, there's been little to connect him to the movement of which he was a part.
So the challenge of the liberal-left in this country is to create a new kind of rhetoric to overcome the lack of effective correspondence in terms with right-wing rhetoric currently.
Or, at least, that's my take for what it's worth.
Everyone seems to using this word fascism too much. It's inappropriately applied, and probably understood, 90% of the time.
It adds nothing to debate. It's become a dead letter. I'd like to forward, while on my hiatus from the web (harder than I thought), the end of the rhetorical device of fascism. In the process, the meaning of fascism, and any power it may truly have used in the right circumstance, is being lost.
Just like communist.
I'm sorry Freelixer but this brings back the old adage, I'm not paranoid if I'm right.
Perhaps the reason we hadn't reached this stage is because the outcry of fascism made against conservatives was what made them draw back a bit?
But right now this administration is the closest we have ever come, and embraces the tenets of fascism almost 100%. To talk about jackbooted thugs marching down main street you are bringing up nazi germany, an extreem form of socialist fascism. The difference was that in a fascist society the corporations hold all the power. In nazi germany, if Adalph said jump, everyone else asked 'how high?'
Go and research any of the known 14 characteristics of fascism and you will see that this administration, this party, and the talking heads that support them, are all living examples of everything that those characteristics describe.
So if we're saying it too often, maybe it's because IT'S TRUE THIS TIME!
I don't expect to see jackbooted thugs. In the patriot act society the jackbooted thugs will be my neighbors, the man behind me in line at the checkout, and the man sitting across from me as I read the newspaper.
But why do I care? Football season is about to start, so i'll be brain numb until January anyways.
Be well.
MYOB'
I've said it before and I'll say it again; the fascism meme is counterproductive and stoops to the freeper communism meme.
The proper term to use is...
(wait for it....)
Bullshit!
(pretty easy, eh? 
evil rat bastards works for me.
When Bill Thomas called the cops on the democrats in congress,we can call that fascist.When he later showed up at the podium as a simpering twit,it seemed like a goosestep in reverse.
I torn between fascists and pig fucking whores (or vaginal blood farts). A terrible dilemma.
Now I have cussers remorse. Thanks alot you people.
To see Rush and his gaping maw in action, check this out. It takes a long time to load, but it's worth it.
I think "Slave Labor Conservatives" fits them just fine.
...and the thing wrong with "Slave Labor Conservatism" is that once all the serfs are in jail and/ or work for free, who is going to buy stuff?
Sister Bunny:
We'll export our products to the advanced economies of Socialist Europe.
stupid Haloscan!
http://www.e-sheep.com/rusheats/
Now that's what I call a money shot!
Bush is clearly corrupt in that he clearly favors friends and usually big corporate friends at that. I'm not sure he is a fascist, but with his actions on the death penalty, and his crackdown on civil liberties, and his favoritism of his corporate buddies, I do think he can honestly be charged as one.
I have three problems with comparisons to nazism. But I don't entirely equate calling someone a fascist with calling someone a nazi, or a brownshirt.
1) Nazi and fascist are important terms that I don't want watered down. When an Al Gore or other national leader starts calling someone a fascist, or a nazi I want to know that it's time for me to get a gun and this is not just more bs political rhetoric.
2) It reflects badly on you. If you call someone a fascist, a nazi, or a brownshirt, I want to know why you're just a blowhard and why you haven't picked up a gun. If you're not picking up a gun, or telling me where the next demonstration is; if you're not naming names and citing evidence, if you're not getting arrested, then it is clear you're full of shit. It makes me think you're full of shit, hystrionic, a polemicist, a whiner, a sore loser. I don't want to associate with you. You lose the argument. No one will associate with you. You're a loser, baby. You've lost your argument right then and there. So it's self defeating.
3) I think you're ignorant of history. That you don't know who the brownshirts or nazis were, what they did, how they came about. If you're that ignorant about something so easy to learn about, so important to our culture, how can I trust you on anything? Why should I listen to you? Are you surprised you find yourself ranting to yourself on the Internet?
If Rush thinks Gephardt is a fascist, Rush is a coward and complicit for only using the resources of one show to discuss this and not standing up to the fascist Gephardt and his cronies and calling them out as fascists each and every day. Shit, as least Weiner would do that in his lovely manner.
When dave likes to charge others as moronic brownshirt fucks in his very casual manner, dave is acting like an idiot, a goad, a shill, or a troll. He doesn't help anyone, or any cause by throwing that charge around loosey goosey, willy nilly. He stops debate and thought. And I don't know if he likes that or not.
Calling people fascists, brownshirts, or nazis, is just too easy, it's forensic pornography. Just say no (thank you).
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