I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
http://www.townhall.com/
columnis...n20030809.shtml
But... but.. Mr. Novak says there's going to be "substantial evidence of biological weapons in Iraq." in mid-September.
Guess the planting season in Iraq is different; I thought they'd do it in the spring.
Or will it be more "evidence" that gets torn to pieces and retracted a few days later.
On page 17, section F.
Like no one knew he was lying.
I have one. Check the dates.
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/...gling_%
3A.shtml
By Larry Mcshane, Associated Press, 8/9/2003 15:49
NEW YORK (AP) The author of a book on rebuilding Iraq was arrested at Kennedy International Airport for allegedly smuggling stolen 4,000-year-old Mesopotamian artifacts out of Baghdad, authorities said Saturday.
Joseph Braude, author of ''The New Iraq,'' was released on a $100,000 bond after a preliminary appearance Saturday before U.S. Magistrate Roanne L. Mann at the Brooklyn federal courthouse.
According to authorities, Braude flew into Kennedy in June and the artifacts were discovered during a routine customs check. One of his suitcases contained three cylindrical stone seals, made of marble and alabaster; Braude allegedly had not declared any of the items.
Officials questioned Braude at his Cambridge, Mass., home on June 18, when he admitted visiting Baghdad and purchasing the seals, Mauskopf said. He acknowledged knowing when he bought the seals that they were likely stolen from the museum, she said.
How does this work, guy fly's into the states in June, before the 18th. Is questioned on the 18, where he admits everything.
Then gets charged in AUGUST?
Looks like no one is in a real hurry to prosecute.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/0...ial/
09WEAP.html
Engineering experts from the Defense Intelligence Agency have come to believe that the most likely use for two mysterious trailers found in Iraq was to produce hydrogen for weather balloons rather than to make biological weapons, government officials say.
The classified findings by a majority of the engineering experts differ from the view put forward in a white paper made public on May 28 by the C.I.A. and the Defense Intelligence Agency, which said that the trailers were for making biological weapons....
I suppose Iraq was prepared to launch killer weather balloons.
would have done better to sell his soul for rock & roll.
J.T.
I guess none of you have ever heard of the hydrogen BOMB! What do you liberal girly boys think it's made out of? Candyfloss?
Did he say anything true?
I hope we'll stop hearing about Powell keeping us from invading Iraq and Syria by fighting off the neocons. He's Wolfowitz without the honesty.
Salvage
Do you realize what a comical idiot you are?
Colin Powell is an alter-ego for Tony Blair. Perhaps the reverse?
Fantastic AP piece. Point by point and relentless.
Thanks.
So why aren't the newspapers interested in the scientist that Bush wanted so badly to talk too prior to the war now that they are all seem to be incarcerated beyond news sources, what gives???
Subscription rates decline, maybe we already got our news for independent online source or foreign online information.
President Bush is very bad man.
Is it time yet for subpeona?
Like Josh said, reporters just don't want to poke around and get any news. It's all Re-fried, petrified BBQ fire fodder.
The newspapers trail some websites these days.
AND It now looks like Blair is going to try a old Bush trick because at exactly the moment Lord Hutton's inquiry is due to be made public their going to release a new WMD report, Downing Street plans new Iraq WMD report
08.08.2003 2.20 pm By KIM SENGUPTA and PAUL WAUGH
Downing Street is planning to publish yet another Iraq weapons dossier in September, in time for the Labour Party conference.
The report will be based on the findings of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), which is made up of American and British teams that have been searching for an alleged arsenal of weapons of mass destruction since the war.
Lord Hutton's inquiry into the apparent suicide of Dr David Kelly, the main source of a BBC report that the Government "sexed up" an Iraq weapons dossier, is due to be finished before the party conference, scheduled to begin on September 28.,/i>
The hearings at the High Court may lead to highly embarrassing disclosures for the Government over the way Dr Kelly's identity was exposed for the media, and a "positive" new dossier will help to limit some of the damage.
The ISG teams, under the direction of David Kay, a former United Nations arms inspector, have been carrying out interviews with Iraqi scientists and officials of Saddam Hussein's regime. Their report will be sent to the Joint Intelligence Committee, chaired by John Scarlett, before being passed on to Downing Street.
No evidence has been unearthed so far that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. But members of the ISG are said to be optimistic that they will find plans to develop WMD "programmes".
According to a report in The Economist, MI6 is also confident that investigations will vindicate last September's Iraq dossier. The magazine says that there appears to be "hard evidence" of cover-up programmes designed to conceal WMD.
"We would hope to be able to demonstrate, in the fullness of time, that almost all the information in the [September] dossier was accurate," an "insider" told the magazine.
-INDEPENDENT
Speaking of lies, Atrios is going to have to cover for this one...
http://
www.heraldsun.news.com.au...255E401,00.html
BOOMERANG
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/0...ion/
08MART.html
August 8, 2003
It All Depends on What You Mean by 'Have'
By STEVE MARTIN - New York Times
So if you're asking me did Iraq have weapons of mass destruction, I'm saying, well, it all depends on what you mean by "have."
See, I can "have" something without actually having it. I can "have" a cold, but I don't own the cold, nor do I harbor it. Really, when you think about it, the cold has me, or even more precisely, the cold has passed through me. Plus, the word "have" has the complicated letter "v" in it. It seems that so many words with the letter "v" are words that are difficult to use and spell. Like "verisimilitude." And "envelope."
Therefore, when you ask me, "Did Iraq have weapons of mass destruction," I frankly don't know what you're talking about. Do you mean currently? Then why did you say "did?" Think about "did." What the heck does that mean? Say it a few times out loud. Sounds silly. I'm beginning to think it's just the media's effort to use a fancy palindrome, rather than ask a pertinent question.
And how do I know you're not saying "halve?" "Did Iraq halve weapons of mass destruction?" How should I know? What difference does it make? That's a stupid question.
Let me try and clear it up for you. I think what you were trying to say was, "At any time, did anyone in Iraq think about, wish for, dream of, or search the Internet for weapons of mass destruction?"
Of course they did have. Come on, Iraq is just one big salt flat and no dictator can look out on his vast desert and not imagine an A-test going on. And let's face it, it really doesn't matter if they had them or not, because they hate us like a lassoed shorthorn heifer hates bovine spongiform encephalopathy.
Finally, all this fuss over 16 lousy words. Shoot, "Honey, I'm home," already has three, with an extra one implied, and practically nothing has been said. It would take way more than 16 words to say something that could be considered a gaffe. I don't really take anything people say seriously until they've used at least 20, sometimes 25, words.
When I was criticized for my comment, I was reluctant to point out it was only 16 words, and I was glad when someone else took the trouble to count them and point out that I wasn't even in paragraph territory. When people heard it was only 16 words, I'm sure most people threw their head back and laughed. And I never heard one negative comment from any of our coalition forces, and they all speak English, too.
Trolls trools.
Note the source of the report cited in the article anonymous posted.
The White House.
'Nuff said.
Wow, how nice that someone in the American press finally decided to report that Colin was lying. And only 6 months after most of this was covered in the British press. Most of this stuff was refuted within 10 days of Powell's presentation to the UN.
AJ
Do you realize that I was joking?
Why does Atrios have to cover for more of Bush's lies?
The allegations fail to name names. You are saying that you believe a detained Al Qaeda leader over the word of the CIA? When did you become pro Al Qaeda and Anti-American?
Shame on you.
Salvage
I am a fool! I was fooled. The post was terrific.
Sorry, sorry, sorry....
Interesting
Wow, Anonymous, I'm convinced. Thanks for opening my eyes.
...A senior al-Qaeda terrorist... reports that al-Qaeda was intent on obtaining (weapons of mass destruction) assistance from Iraq.
Once upon a time, I was intent on fucking Goldie Hawn... but that doesn't make me Kate Hudson's father.
Back to the circle jerk, brownshirt...
nice, martha.
If Jay Leno can have Ahnuld on for a free nationwide broadcast of his political ambitions, he should damb well be able to have Steve Martin on to deliver that monologue.
oops, I was referring to rhoda's post
AJ
Not your fault, in the age of Anne Coulter I suspect somewhere, someone has said those words and believed them.
Anonymous trollperson:
Let's see what kind of corroboration this story gets. Frankly I'm tired of chasing chimera issued by the White House. Their MO for far too long has been:
* float outrageous statement to the press (who eagerly blares it on front pages across the land)
* wait for the inevitable proof that it's either obviously false or completely unsubstantiated
* let the media outlets deal with the 'oh, I guess we were technically incorrect' retractions somewhere on page D26
.
P.S. Note the byline: "From correspondents in Crawford, Texas".
WTF?
Salvage: I thought you were joking right off the bat, so I clicked on your (very cool) homepage just to verify.
So besides his nice apology AJ also got you a page hit! Neat how things sometimes works out.
The report quoted the unnamed prisoner as saying al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden turned to Iraq after concluding his group could not produce chemical or biological weapons on its own in Afghanistan.
'Unnamed prisoner??' HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That's pathetically weak, even by the White House's pathetically weak standards.
Pathetically weak troll, as well. You're losing whatever tiny edge you had, anon.
Salvage
Another fun page hit....
I guess none of you have ever heard of the hydrogen BOMB!
As I said (disguised as my wife) in the Weather Balloons of Mass Destruction thread, you can't spell "hydrogen bomb" without "hydrogen".
And these days, you can't spell coLIn powEll without LIE. Alas.
Too bad, Colin coulda been president if he'd stepped into the DemocratIC party instead of into dog-doo. Course he'll get a nice job when he gets booted, but you never know, he might have liked to have principles and a nice job too -- that's all gone now.
And you can't spell BUllSHit without BUSH.
yankeedoodle - exacto.
Steve M and obsolete - hyuk hyuk!
jennifer - Too effin' true.
Glad to see such (stateside) dissections now, though. However tragically belated, they do strong service for momentum at a time when general skepticism is sharpening and the war hangover daily throbs.
Once upon a time, I was intent on fucking Goldie Hawn... but that doesn't make me Kate Hudson's father.
This line is absolutely perfect. I consider it a privilege to have had it pass through my computer's clipboard on its way to this reply.
Also, Anon's cite is hilarious. An unnamed White House official (with colossal political interest in getting people to believe this) cites an unnamed Al Qaeda prisoner (who may have been estranged from his fellow terrorists for a year and a half by now, having spent the interim being interrogated with all of the ethics the Bushies can bring to bear) as saying that Al Qaeda "was intent on obtaining" WMD from Iraq, and that Iraq "agreed to provide ... training." This is the big rebuttal to something Atrios has said? That one guy says there was an agreement to provide training, and not even any actual transfer of weapons, despite the title of the article? Fucking made my day.
OT, and delurking, please forgive.
Here is a link to a petition that is going to President Carter Mon Aug 11, asking him to take a lead in ensuring that our nations voting machines will be trustworthy by the next elections:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/pe...rg/
petition.htm
Powell seems to have shed his "exit strategy" pontifications, along with the rest of his integrity.
Ex Queada operative Rashid Abdul el Feisal el Marmaduke admitted to having personally transferred several thousand WMD of an indeterminate nature to Saddam Husein.
el Marmaduke, surrounded by his eight new wifes, was enthusiastically interviewed poolside in his spanking new villa on the outskirts of Palm Springs (within shouting distance of Wayne Newton World) by Michael Ledeen , William Safire, Irving Kristol, Judith Miller and Condolleeza RiceCakes herself. His bombshell revelations were confirmed by ace WMD hunter David Kay, now invent...sorry, prePAring the definitive WMD report just in time for the final election cycle.
Norman Podhorertz is 108.
This Colin presentation is the last remaining redoubt of the Pro-war Partisans. Storm it, which is easy given the shoddy evidence already in the public realm, put the material in the hands of the press, and nothing will remain of any reasonable casus belli.
You know, when the Roman Catholic Church considers someone for sainthood, it assigns a Cardinal to disput the designation. This role is the source of the term, "Devil's advocate." How much better the world would be if other executive bodies did the same,
Colin is a lying sack of shit.
And by the way troll" Fool me one shame on you, fool me 237 times, shame on me. If you buy yet another one of the lying-sack-of-shit Bushco stories about WMD, you are simply stupid. That al-Qaeda prisoner report is about as trustworthy as an affadavit from Ahmed Chalabi. The prisoner has every incentive to lie. He gives his captors what they want and, as a bonus, fucks over his secularist enemy, Saddam Hussein.
I'm waiting for physical evidence not more wasted words.
physical evidence?
Whoa there, look like someone's been watching too much CSI. This isn't happy happy TV land where proof needs to be "seen" or "make sense" or "real".
If Team Dubya says that Fox News says that the White House has found proof that evidence of some sort could be found in Iraq at somepoint well who the hell are you to argue?
A citizen or something?
LOOK WEST NILE VIRUS AND BLACK RAPIST BASKETBALL STAR!!!!!
"Too bad, Colin coulda been president if he'd stepped into the DemocratIC party instead of into dog-doo."
If we ignore that he was bought and paid for by the GOP a couple of decades ago. Colin is a very bad man who knowingly lied to start a war -- he put serving President Howdy Doody above serving this country. He should be stripped of all his medal and ribbons for such treason.
a timely Re-post, from my developer friend follows a FairWarning-
Certain folks should probably skip this, due to the Arithmetic being to "fuzzy" for some types to comprehend...
"...So after Bush's State of the Union speech I was wondering, how much WMD are they talking about, well this much:
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."
George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003
1 Metric ton = 2204.59 lbs
2204.59 lbs/ton * 500 tons = 1,102,295 lbs
Sure a million pounds of chemical weapons sounds like a lot, but how much do you put in a rocket, 1 pound, a million pounds, I had no clue, so I looked it up.
This is from an Army document on actual Iraqi warheads found in the 90's
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/army_ig/
"The warheads on the rockets in the Pit and Bunker 73 contained 6.3 kilograms (13.86 pounds) of sarin/cyclosarin in a 3 to 1 ratio."
OK, now we are getting somewhere, so now:
1,102,295 lbs / 13.86 lbs/rocket = 79,531 rockets
I'm no rocket scientist, but I can see hiding a few, even a few hundred rockets, but damn nearly 80,000??? Now that's a lot!
And don't get me started on how 2 empty trailers is supposed to equal 79,531 rockets!!!! ..."
More Fuzzy5thGradeMath ...
OT- Thanx AnneW; done-
PetitionforCarterMonitor
http://tinyurl.com/jj0t
I will repeat, ad nasuem, Powell plays a role, good cop. It is simply a role. He plays good cop to the bad cop neocons, most of the time. Then when the money shot comes, like at the UN, he sides with the bad cops.
He might have principals that agree with his good cop rhetoric but he always abondons them. More likely is that he is in total agreement with the hawk neocons or better yet, he is in todal agreement with whatever they tell him to be in agreement with.
So it's Step and Fetctit or cynic, take your pick.
RF -
I didn't check the site for myself, but wouldn't ... in a 3 to 1 ratio. imply 4.6s lbs / rocket?
So, are we talking 238,592 rockets?
Nice catch!
Damn typos - 4.62 ils / rocket ...
Does anybody know what percentage of our army's combat strength is tied down for the foreseable future in Iraq? I mean, we are supposed to be facing verious foreign threats at the moment, and taking 40% (or whatever the total is) of our combat strength off the table seems like a poor idea. Too bad none of the Democratic 'candidates' wants to touch this issue.
And the day before he was throwing papers around saying "I'm not reading this bullshit"??
I wonder what was in those papers to start with!
This is so fucking dishonest and wrong. This administration is worse than Richard Fucking Nixon.
I was out canvassing the city today for an upcoming Presidential candidate's speech.
Believe me, 98% of the working people of this city KNOW Bush was full if shit and want to see him gone. Many have simply given up on trying, that's all. Don't be fooled by the poll numbers. Encourage people to register to vote. It's your duty and responsibility as an American!
Powell has lost all credibility, as has almost everyone else who is working for Bush now.
Worst and most evil administration ever.
Anonymous-- what city?????
Powell lacks a conscience. In my opinion he's the worst of the entire bunch. As a military person he knew what would happen to the soldiers...he went ahead covering up and lying, knowingly repeating lies fed to thim. It was more important to keep the job than to keep his self respect.
Belafont had him pegged when he called him 'House Slave'.
er, Belafonte didn't call him "house slave." For "slave," he used a word beginning with N that I, as a non-black person, had better not repeat.
Don't call Powell an Uncle Tom either. If you go back to the book, Uncle Tom died for his Christian principles and to help two other slaves escape. I can't see Powell doing that....
You know, I used to think Powell was an honorable man.
But then I thought, hey, if he was an honorable man, Bush would have never hired him, and even if Bush had offered him a job, he wouldn't have accepted it.
The reason we figured out all this bullshit months ahead of the pack is that we started from the presumption that they were lying, and found the proof to back it up. Everyone else just swallowed what they were fed. Remember the whole 6 month cat-and-mouse game of "we have the proof, and we'll show it to you...soon"? And then they'd toss out some pathetic little tidbit, and the press would breathlessly report it, while all of us were standing back saying "WTF? If that's true, why not tell the UN inspectors where the shit is?" or something of the same ilk. I have literally zero sympathy for anyone, even troops, who failed to question the gaping holes in their story. This is what results from being too lazy to use the brain the good lord gave you.
From the time I first learned of him (when he was a Reagan adviser/apologist in '80s), I've never liked Powell.
I later learned that he helped to cover up the My Lai massacre in Vietnam.
And, of course, I watched as he teamed up with Sam Nunn (and other bigots in both Congress and the military) to defeat Clinton's proposal on gays in the military.
From what I can tell, he's *always* been a bad man.
Where's Bily Mumy when you need him ?
"Once upon a time, I was intent on fucking Goldie Hawn."
dave
Hey -- stay out of my dreams!!
As to Powell:
I pretty well knew that Saddam didn't have any WMD's when he agreed to let the UN inspectors back in. I wrote my friends and and told them that. Most of them wrote back and disagreed.
After Little Bush's SOTU speech -- more properly call SOTU Lie -- I wrote my friends and said I was more sure than ever that Saddam was not a threat. Most of them wrote back and said they thought he was.
After Powell's Dog and Pony show at the UN, I wrote my friends and told them that the UN presentation was a mass of Lies. It was a "Frazier" moment -- the kind where Roz catches Frazier in an all-too-obvious lie. My friends wrote me and told me that now they now believed that Iraq was a real threat and if the US couldn't get the UN on board, then we had to do it ourselves.
Ya' know?? --- I should have put more of my energy into figuring out a way to fuck Goldie Hawn.
Thank you for your time.
David Winn
dwinn@austin.rr.com
I later learned that he helped to cover up the My Lai massacre in Vietnam.
It was Powell's responsibility to spin the letter from the soldier who was at My Lai.
Also, ever heard the phrase "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out"?
That was the brainchild of one Capt. Colin Powell, US Army Infantry, Vietnam.
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