I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
David Kay does not pass the laugh test.
Kay's single function is to deflect and disort the WMD issue so that the Bushies can claim there is mixed evidence during the 2004 campaign.
It's the junk science theory (a la carbon monoxide) all over again.
The real question is, why does anyone listen to Kay? He has clearly had an agenda from the beginning, and is no more credible than, say, Scott Ridder. Yet our media treats him as if he is an unbiased source.
BOOMERANG
Oh fer...
Can someone in the know of really making bio weapons please let us/the world know how large these labs would be, how heavy and delicate the equipment is and what sort of out put two trailer could make?
I can't imagin running Starbucks in one of those trailers much less making weapons to kill millions of people.
Took me 5 seconds to Google this TWO MONTH OLD STORY.
"An official British investigation into two trailers found in northern Iraq has concluded they are not mobile germ warfare labs, as was claimed by Tony Blair and President have continued to insist, but were for the production of hydrogen to fill artillery balloons..."
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/
i...,977915,00.html
Why let a "lack of strong evidence" stand in the way? Just identify them as mobile biological weapons labs and be done with it. One more lie won't hurt.
Anonymous - you're right, the boomerang is arguably a WMD. Imagine lacing one with some anthrax and whipping it at the enemy. Whoo boy, watch out.
OT, but I see in the paper that... "Bagdad's morgue handled 47 times as many gunshot deaths in July as in the same month a year ago.
Officials attribute the violence to a variety of causes: looting and robbery; the settling of scores from the Saddam era; the release of many criminals just before the war; and gunfire by American soldiers, who many iraqis accuse of opening fire randomly when they feel threatened."
But they've been liberated, so not to worry.
I thought this was covered months back and that the trailers in question were of a British design used to produce hydrogen by electrolisis for use in weather baloons. Someone had posted pictures of the trailer next to some pictures of the British trailers and they were an exact match. I wish I knew where those old photo-comparisons were located...
E.E., I'm trying to remember who posted the links at Kos. It was someone who posts there regularly.
If memory serves correctly, it was DU Forum or Bartcop Forum where I saw the photo-comparison.
I never go to those sites. Oh, I think it was Felix Deutsch. (sp?)
You could very well be correct, someone probably just inserted the photo-url on BC or DU with excerpts from an article at another site, anyway.
I'm googling and yahooing as we speak...
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/
P...4686547,00.html
Here is a link, calls them British...
Profile on : David Kay
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/
200...ra_archive.html
http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read...d=10330&
lang=en
Little info on David Kay he used to work for, SAIC, and the Anthrax suspect Stephen Hatfill. His reputation is at stake here and he plans to be a Hero he is a Brown nose from way back. Note: I posted both these links to my website june 30th.
Well, there was a better post later, showing the trailers, but this was one of the ones I saw:
http://www.hunsnet.de/artillerie..._art/
atmas.html
I remember someone commenting that, if these trailers were so dangerous, why weren't any of the soldiers that were pictured near them wearing protective covering.
Until he lies about a blowjob, I can't get interested.
. . . inspector David Kay told CNN on Saturday that though there was a "lack of strong evidence" that the vehicles had been used to produce deadly biological agents, "the most likely use" and "the most probable use" was to create biological weapons. He said suggestions that the mobile labs had some more benign application, such as producing agricultural chemicals, were unlikely.
David Kay also claims to be a Gypsy prince who'd been abducted as an infant by a roving band of housewives. Hey, it could happen.
And how about these comments from Ari Fleischer...
At a May 29 press conference, Helen Thomas asks about the two trailers:
Q Is the President satisfied with the intelligence he got before the war? Because now one Cabinet officer is saying that they buried the weapons; another said they destroyed them; and another official said they -- what is the President's view on all this?
MR. FLEISCHER: The President is indeed satisfied with the intelligence that he received. And I think that's borne out by the fact that, just as Secretary Powell described at the United Nations, we have found the bio trucks that can be used only for the purpose of producing biological weapons. That's proof-perfect that the intelligence in that regard was right on target.
Q We go to war for two trucks?
MR. FLEISCHER: I'm sorry?
Q You would go to war from the finding of two trucks?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I don't think it's anything to dismiss. Iraq had, contrary to their protestations to the United Nations, trucks for the purpose of producing biological weapons. They said they didn't have them; they got caught -- proof-perfect that they had them. The only use for those trucks is to produce biological weapons. And so that's one item of it. And on the rest of all the intelligence, of course, the President continues to be satisfied with it. He thinks it's borne out. "
And then later in the same press conference:
"Q But let me just -- once again, as chief executive, does he not have any concern about the quality of intelligence on this, as he described it, one of the most critical security matters before the country, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction?
MR. FLEISCHER: No. As I described to you, when the proof came in about what was known so far -- and I think there's going to be more to learn as different people are talked to, as different documents are looked at, as additional forces arrive for the sole purpose of looking for the weapons of mass destruction and obtaining information from Iraqi scientists, particularly mid-level officials -- what else would those biological trucks have been for? Those biological trucks themselves -- and as Secretary Powell pointed out at the United Nations, it doesn't take a lot to produce a lot of deaths, that biological weapons can be small in quantity and large in death. And that's why the American people had a lot to fear about Saddam Hussein developing these weapons, including biological weapons, which there's now proof-positive that he had these biological mobile trucks for the purpose of producing biological weapons."
At a June 26 press conference:
"Q Ari, does the President continue to believe that the trailers found in Iraq were proof of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?
MR. FLEISCHER: It's exactly as he said."
And where is Ari now? Huh?
Q: "Ari, does it bother you to be such a bullshit-peddler?"
Q:"Ari....Ari, where are you going? Ari?.."
According to ABC Nightly News today, the CIA and the DIA are sticking to the May 28, white paper that dismissed as a "cover story" the hydrogen for weather balloons explanation. In doing so they are rejecting the "classified findings by a majority of the [DIA] engineering experts" as well as the results of an official British investigation
DOUGLAS JEHL, NYTimes, Aug. 8 — Engineering experts from the Defense Intelligence Agency have come to believe that the most likely use for two mysterious trailers found in Iraq was to produce hydrogen for weather balloons rather than to make biological weapons, government officials say.
The classified findings by a majority of the engineering experts differ from the view put forward in a white paper made public on May 28 by the C.I.A. and the Defense Intelligence Agency, which said that the trailers were for making biological weapons.
That report had dismissed as a "cover story" claims by senior Iraqi scientists that the trailers were used to make hydrogen for the weather balloons that were then used in artillery practice.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/0...ial/
09WEAP.html
Guardian special report Sunday June 15, 2003
An official British investigation into two trailers found in northern Iraq has concluded they are not mobile germ warfare labs, as was claimed by Tony Blair and President George Bush, but were for the production of hydrogen to fill artillery balloons, as the Iraqis have continued to insist...
...a British scientist and biological weapons expert, who has examined the trailers in Iraq, told The Observer last week: 'They are not mobile germ warfare laboratories. You could not use them for making biological weapons. They do not even look like them. They are exactly what the Iraqis said they were - facilities for the production of hydrogen gas to fill balloons.'
[Also]
...The revelation that the mobile labs were to produce hydrogen for artillery balloons will also cause discomfort for the British authorities because the Iraqi army's original system was sold to it by the British company, Marconi Command & Control.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/
S...,977916,00.html
I hope this helps.
A New York Times article today (Saturday) entitled "Iraqi Trailers Said To Make Hydrogen, Not Biological Weapons," there is no mention of the fact that Bush stated in Poland that finding the two trailers constituted finding "weapons of mass destruction." Talk about a flagrant omission! The Times is either incredibly incompetent or covering for Bush.
The Times is either incredibly incompetent or covering for Bush.
Or they just don't bother with Bush because they think he doesn't know any better. And I would tend to agree with that line of thinking. Of course, someone should be held accountable for putting such bogus words in Dum-Dum's mouth. But I ain't holding my breath.
accountability is for adults and thus democrats.
Riddle me this, Batman--
if you were a technician, would you consider producing horribly lethal toxins and vectors in a facility that a) had walls made of canvas and b) had no facilities for sterilization? None?
And of course, when the fighting started, you would take the time to--somehow--clean and sterilize the trucks so that there was absolutely no trace of toxins--while of course not having time to, oh, torch them or blow them up or anything--
---Gaah. How stupid do they think we are?
How stupid are they?
Martin Luther King would be so ashamed of the man with no character, heck Powell's mother probably cried.
Powell ditched everything he ever wrote about to help Bush acheive his lies. There really is nothing Powell can ever do the redeem the lies that killed so many peole.
OK: a filthy and decrepit cattle car of a trailer can produce more hydrogen gas than a modern western model can, No sweat! But this clap- trap of a production facility cannot produce biowepons unless it is modified out the wazooo. Lets look at what Kay picks for the booby prize. The most inefficient piece of dusfunctional junk and calls it the a wepon of mas destruction, and therefore the winner. Only from the mouth of a Republican cockroach can this garbage come from.
I have the solution to the mysterious trailers puzzle. It came to me while reading the comments on the earlier Weather Balloons of Mass Destruction, with all the Watergate nostalgia. I remember it with a warm smile, as my country veered to the brink and back. Ah, how I relished every hot tv minute of Sen Ervin, Sam Dash and Richard BenVeniste slicing and dicing those jerks. Even Fred Thompson got in a blistering lick or two, stirring my regional heartstrings. Those were the days....zzzzzz....
Oh yea, the trailer solution. It's this other thing I remember about Watergate: the initial coverage, starting with the capture of the WG burglars.
The following fourteen month avalanche started with a rock or two kicked by junior City Desk scribes, W & B. Before the election five months later, the world knew that the burglars were connected to CREEP and that John Mitchell was stonewalling; the point being that W & B were not WH or national or even political reporters or pundits.
So, here's my tip for some aspiring science or business or feature reporter:
* Get pics/footage from Jaynes/Marconi of the Brit systems.
* Get pics/footage including out-takes of the captured trailers.
* Get interviews of Jaynes/Marconi experts, employees, ex-employees, competitors who know the Brit systems. Do they see the Brit systems and captured systems as identical?
* Go to the morgue, and trade pubs and Google and find any contemporaneous coverage of the Brit deal back in '88(?). Extra credit for pic of Thatcher or Majors breaking champagne bottle on hood of lorry.
* For bonus points, carefully examine pics of the captured trailers to the point of computer enhancement, if necessary, to see if any part numbers, names or ID's are visible.
* Write it up/script it and convince your editor or producer to give it a go. Promise them recognition at the awards ceremony.
* If they will not give it a go, then:
A. Enclose your article or tape in a plastic zip-lock baggie.
B. Insert in an appropriate cream pie.
C. Place a summary in an envelope on which you print in large, block letters "DEAN SEX SCANDAL INFO", then place on top of pie.
D. When Sen Pat Roberts is giving press conference, or other suitable occasion, gently propel pie to Senator's face. Be sure you have a tourist-looking confederate present, discretely getting video. Keep in mind that a little jail time can be an honorable thing in a journalist (you conceivably could get a cell with Bob Novak), and it would guarantee you fifteen minutes of national tv time. Voila! Career jumpstart.
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luxury watch When Sen Pat Roberts is giving press conference, or other suitable occasion, gently propel pie to Senator's face. Be sure you have a tourist-looking confederate present, discretely getting video. Keep in mind that a little jail time can be an honorable thing in a journalist (you conceivably could get a cell with Bob Novak), and it would guarantee you fifteen minutes of national tv time. Voila! Career jumpstart.
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