I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Shhh! Silence you treasonous l-l-LIBERAL!!! Doncha know that Brittney and Madonna JUST KISSED???!!!!
these words should be plastered across every tv and newspaper until everyone on the right just stops fucking lying to themselves and others. dream dream dream...
If only Bush will be reincarnated as a flesh-eating maggot, he could be put to good use and clean skeletons down at the museum.
--ventura county, ca
Atrios, how naive you are...the sophisticated American people never cared whether Saddam had the most lethal weapons ever devised (knowing full well that would of course be us), rather, according to the esteemed editor of the Washington Post, we'll call him Leonard, we just plain didn't like Saddam and are glad he's gone.
"...the American public as always is I think more sophisticated than we in the media give it credit for, and you know they never put too much stock in a lot of the rationale for going to war in the first place except for the fact that they didn't like Saddam Hussein and they're glad that he's been defeated, and they're glad that it's happened at a relative low cost of American lives, and they seem to be watching the occupation in the same way..."
Where did "Whistle-Ass come from?"
I hear it was an old lady.
Two rich white suburban biznessmen who ridiculed my anti-war rants were sitting in the office waiting to get out early for Labor Day. One says - you know this war - Bush could lose next year. The other one says - he's very vulnerable. Then they talk about deaths, quagmire etc.
I think there is hope.
Referencing the following statement in the linked article:
"To date, US forces have uncovered scant evidence of an ongoing nuclear program in Iraq - unlike 12 years ago, when the world was shocked to discover how far Iraq had progressed in nuclear bomb design"
I have read numerous accounts of how shocked the world was at Iraq's nuclear progress in 1991 and wonder how much of this remains a constructed reality or 'revisionist history' as some call it. I struggle with how something can be so surprising given the information available at the time of the Osiraq airstrike of 1981 (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/
osiraq.htm).
Really, its not as if all those highly trained Iraqi scientists immediately forgot how to build what they built and the Israelis destroyed. As the FAS article I have linked notes, "With the loss of this reactor, Baghdad apparently refocused its nuclear weapons effort on producing highly enriched uranium. Its interest in acquiring plutonium as fissile material for weapons continued, but at a lower priority. After the raid, Baghdad announced that it planned to rebuild the destroyed facility. ..."
If I remember correctly, what was shocking in 1991 was that Iraq was able to gain such know-how and advance their nuclear project using technologies bought on the open, semi-open and clandestine markets from, inter alia, France, Brazil, Germany, United States and Britian despite supposed controls provided by the Nuclear Suppliers Group and the IAEA. This caused a major rearrangement in the thinking of the non-proliferation regime that only then resulted in the closing of some of the major loopholes in the NSG and IAEA protocols. Between 1981 and 1991, no such move was made and, in hindsight, its logical that the Iraqis exploited all available opportunities to rebuild what was lost.
Just a thought, and perhaps something to consider when thinking about the Iranian and North Korean situations?
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.
Mark, those rich white businessmen are SCUM! What do THEY do to make society better, like you do? Those pigs deserve to die!
September just around the corner ... what new products will be, er, produced?
I want to know some more background on the late, wonderful (I assume) woman in Wisconsin who came up with Whistle-Ass. I
(Oh, and maybe Atrios can find out how to donate money in her name to defeating Bush? Arrange an exclusive interview with her kids?)
(a) Dubya's numbers are falling fast and (b) they tend to rise when he either commits troops or there's a general feeling that the country's under some kind of threat; however (c) the halo effects from 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq are melting like snowballs in the desert.
So what threat do you think he's going to pull out of his ass for next year?
Why isn't anyone talking about the massive number of deaths in France this summer? French senior citizens are dying left and right -- 11,000+!!! Chirac has plummeted France into a quagmire. It's so bad in France that it's safer to be a US soldier in Iraq, 20 times safer.
Can anyone think of any rightist who once trumpeted their certainty that WMD would be found who has since admitted that they were wrong?
Granted that no one likes to admit being wrong, but some of us have had to learn the habit. You have to, if you're going to fix anything.
Before the war began, the wingnuts who thronged the comment threads insisted that we were at risk from some such. Has anyone heard any retractions?
... crickets ... surf ... coyotes
(sorry for the SoCal referents)
Hey, anonymous, what do you think about Arnold's schlong? Big enough fer ya?
Anonymous must've taken the same "math" class as Brit Hume.
Hi, Ed. Any job search luck this week?
The neocons are massaging their bibles into sawdust hoping that the death of St. Reagan can drive these issues from the front page.
Ed, which DBs have you worked with, which APIs, which languages? Post a link to your resume. I may be a jerk, but if I can help you, I will. Other visitors here can help you too, if you give us a link.
Poll: Public Worry About Iraq Growing
Associated Press
People were about evenly divided on the question of whether things are going well in Iraq concerning the goal of bringing stability, with 51 percent saying yes and 47 percent saying no, according to the CBS News poll released Friday. In early July, 60 percent said yes and 36 percent said no.
Asked whether the U.S. is in control in Iraq, 42 percent said yes, and 47 percent said no.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/ka...ews/
6651420.htm
PARIS, Aug. 29 — French President Jacques Chirac urged the United States on Friday to begin transferring power to an Iraqi provisional government, saying it was a precondition for international help in rebuilding the country.
"The transfer of power and sovereignty to Iraqis themselves is the only realistic option. It must be implemented immediately in the framework of a process which only the United Nations can fully legitimise, backed by countries in the region,'' he said. ''Once this framework is established, the international community can bring full and efficient support to the country's reconstruction, in a way that should be determined with the Iraqis themselves,''
http://famulus.msnbc.com/Famulus...asp?
reg=MIDEAST
Jeffrey D Sachs
The US invasion was a grave mistake. Committing more soldiers will only compound the error. What is needed now is the quick withdrawal of US forces, and their temporary replacement by UN-led troops, which will hand power back to the Iraqi people.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/def...29-8-
2003_pg3_6
Marin,
I'm a scumy rich white biznessman too. That's how I hear them talking.
Mark, I think it must be the _worst_ thing to be a white businessman. How do you live with yourself, you heartless exploiter of the masses?
For those of you on the USS Abraham Lincoln, that's "President Prancing Whistle-Ass".
God Marin, you sound as bad as those Rand spouters. You must be being sarcastic.
Go read a book or something.
"Poll: Public Worry About Iraq Growing"
In the early days of excuses for finding no WMD, UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw claimed that Iraq was "twice the size of France". Up until then it had been about the size of France, or a little smaller. So I can well understand how the prospect of Iraq growing even bigger might worry the public.
Rusty, I was responding to Mark's original comment about white suburban businessmen. If there's anyone we all agree is evil, it's white suburban businessmen, right? Without the racist greedy influence of white suburban businessmen, we'd live in a paradise, right?
Did you all see what Mark says is "hopeful:"
"... they talk about deaths, quagmire etc.
I think there is hope."
Is there a balder, plainer example of a Demo using "deaths, quagmire" as a "hopeful" political chip?
I see this shit frequently at lefty sites, like bartcop. You sick Demos are absolutely determined to politicize our soldiers' casualties; they're just convenient numbers for you to tally your cheap points.
Uh, Sandalthong? That thing stuck up your butt? You were supposed to pull it out. It's just the price tag.
bJ, what did you think Mark was writing about, when he referred to "white suburban businessmen?"
"these words should be plastered across every tv and newspaper"
Absolutely!
Here, again, is what Mark posted:
"Two rich white suburban biznessmen who ridiculed my anti-war rants were sitting in the office waiting to get out early for Labor Day. One says - you know this war - Bush could lose next year. The other one says - he's very vulnerable. Then they talk about deaths, quagmire etc.
I think there is hope.
Mark | 08.30.03 - 1:48 am | #"
Mark writes "I think there is hope."
"Deaths, quagmire" give hope to Mark.
Mark is a sick fuck lefty moron.
For people like me, Atrios will come in here and call me a "fucking moron."
But will Atrios come in here and condemn a sick-fuck-lefty-moron like Mark? I doubt it, but let's see!
The reason people will call you a fucking moron is because you can’t tell the difference between someone celebrating that others are starting to notice that this quagmire is resulting in our soldiers’ deaths and celebrating the quagmire and/or the deaths. Perhaps you might take a few moments to reflect on the difference. Or, perhaps you could take a remedial reading course. Or perhaps you could STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY IN ORDER TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT ISN’T TRUE.
LT, I didn't lie. In fact, I reproduced Mark's entire comment in my post, verbatim, even the timestamp.
The guy is clearly hopeful that there are deaths and quagmire! Read it!
Wouldn't it be so much more appropriate (and easier) for you to condemn the asshole, rather than raise a partisan defense?
LT, is there _any_ lefty crap you _won't_ defend?
I'll give them insistence. Neediness we take for granted. Otherwise the smell, the flavor and the texture really turn me off.
Any other ratcatchers want to have a taste?
Another great example of this "defend our principles, no matter how stupid," is the negative economic slant of Atrios's posts. Atrios is smarter about economics than most of his readers, but betrays his knowledge by slanting the economic news he reports. Even though he knows the economy is getting stronger, he still tries to dupe his readers into believing that the economy is in the toilet, for partisan reasons, apparently. And Atrios's fans lap up everything he writes, then congratulate themselves for being so well informed!
Idiot: Atrios knows less about economics than anyone who reads him! Only an idiot could miss that.
Well, it's nice to see a moronic brownhshirt fuck at least poke his nose out of his hole... I was beginning to worry.
You can go back in, now.
There are no giant crabs in here, Frank.
Remember the voting machines, people.
Well, according to Kaffir's Fair and Balanced opinion, the economy is getting stronger. My brain shuts down when faced with figures of a financial nature, so that could very well be true, for all I know.
But what with global outsourcing and what not, would it not be possible to have a kick-ass "economy" that only actually provided employment for direct descendents of Sam Walton? Would not employment figures more accurately depict the "state of the union"?
Then again, isn't a monopolar oligarchy the natural endgame of capitalism?
Jebus, I really need to get the hell outta the blue states so's the real Americans can reneducate me away from my commie pinko belief system.
Is the GOP really as full of fucking evil MIC shit as they appear to be, or am I just giving in to the SCLM propaganda?
The most shameful politicizing of troop deaths is aWol's carrier stunt. He covered himself in glory, strutted and postured yet the blood of our young folks and that of many innocent Iraqis still flows. The other politicizers are the shameful troop death minimizers, so far Flush and Brit Spume.
For Whistle Ass, http://www.madison.com/captimes/...ories/
55234.php
A great story. aWol is a whistle ass.
The bad news is that the Democrats will take over when everything goes to hell.
The worse news is that we're almost there.
The worst news is that none of this had to happen.
> Why isn't anyone talking about the
> massive number of deaths in France
> this summer? French senior citizens
> are dying left and right --
> 11,000+!!! Chirac has plummeted
> France into a quagmire.
I'd say its part of the "further study" that global warming requires.
Bush pulled out of Kyoto to murder the French!
> The guy is clearly hopeful that
> there are deaths and quagmire! Read
> it!
The guy is clearly hopeful that the
ar mongers are waking up to the fact
that violence has unexpected repercussions.
The hope he mentions is hope that the
republicans are waking up to the fact
that wars mean lost lives, and they
will be less inclined to support them.
If Bush gets out of office, less soldiers will die.
> Wouldn't it be so much more
> appropriate (and easier) for you to
> condemn the asshole
I don't see it like you do.
I think the hope is that the
war mongers will get out of
the white house soon.
Trouble ahead
lady in red
take my advice
you'd be better off invading Iraq,
take two tax cuts and call George
in the morning.
bJ, what did you think Mark was writing about, when he referred to "white suburban businessmen?"
I'm not bj, but it was pretty clear to me Mark meant white suburban business men who voted for Bush in droves in 2000. Guys like my dad who now have seen through the tremendous fraud. If you read that as "evil," perhaps you have a guilty conscience.
Kaffir, once again, you haven’t demonstrated how you get from his clear meaning – “these guys are now starting to talk about what we’ve been saying all along” to “here’s a guy cheering the deaths and the sickening situation brought on by Bush’s idiotic war.”
One of the startling differences between the left and the right is that the right is required to defenestrate logic, reading comprehension, and morals in order to defend the idiocy inherent in the invasion of Iraq.
Tell me Kaffir, is there any depths you will not plumb in your partisan attempts to paint those opposed to the senseless slaughter of our soldiers as seditious?
smarter monkeys, please.
Great, I spend a couple of moments editing to provide alliteration and I fail to notice that I've ruined the subject-verb agreement.
DOH
> Why isn't anyone talking about the
> massive number of deaths in France
> this summer? French senior citizens
> are dying left and right --
> 11,000+!!! Chirac has plummeted
> France into a quagmire.
actually, the heat wave broke 2 weeks ago. the death numbers got higher during that period not because more people were dying but because the coroner;s office caught up on its backlog. none of those deaths occurred in the last two weeks, that's just when they were attributed to the heat.
as for it all being chirac's fault, that is pure idiocy. i lived through the chicago heat wave in '95, when some 600 people died in a city of 3 million. given france's population, they actually handled it much better than we did--the deaths were proportionately a lot less than they were when it happened here
I agree with the good host.
Smarter monkeys please.
Actually, what we see here is commonly known as "projection". See, most conservatives would happily take bad news on an oppositions watch, in a cynical attempt to gain power. Therefore, people like Kaffir expect us to do the same.
However, when we're talking about this, we're actually talking about fixing the problems. After all, if we were just after power, we'd keep a bit more quiet and watch Bush fall on his face, on both accounts. Security and the economy. The left gave solutions to both problems. We were ignored.
So it goes.
Origin of Whistle Ass from Countdown with Keith Uberman August 21, 2003:
“We report the story tonight of Sally Barron and her death, and why her family mentioned President Bush in her obituary. We do so on the premise that his fellow Republican Theodore Roosevelt was right when he wrote, 'To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but it is also morally treasonable to the American public.'
“Sally Barron was a cook, the mother of six kids, and the widow of an iron miner turned small town mayor in Wisconsin. When she died there Monday at age 71, her children put the following message in her obituary: 'Memorials in her honor can be made to any organization working for the removal of President Bush.' Ms. Barron's daughter told the Capital Times of Madison, Wisconsin, quote, 'She thought he was a liar. She'd always watch CNN, C-SPAN, and, you know, she'd just swear at the TV and say, 'Oh, Bush, he's such a whistle ass,'” unquote. Services for Mrs. Barron will be conducted tomorrow in Stoughton, Wisconsin."
It's getting close. I'm almost thinking that this is a quagmire. Hope is fading as UN buildings and holy sites and dozens of people get blown to smithereens. I still think Friedman's Weds article was great, but the Mustache is blind to the fact that what he describes is Phase 2. We haven't even completed Phase 1! Phase 1 being stabilizing the country, providing security, and getting the infrastructure in working order. Lesse... nope, nope, and nope. After how many months? Now, we have terrorists and fanatics from all over the Arab world flooding in, and possibly working together with their erstwhile enemies, the Ba'athists. The ineptitude on the Bush administration's part is astounding. I'm hoping that things will get better, but now just hoping that things don't get worse seem reasonable now. Another hope is that things won't deteriorate to the point in 18 months, that even good, responsible leadership can't reverse the situation.
Kaffir wrote, Another great example of this "defend our principles, no matter how stupid," is the negative economic slant of Atrios's posts. Atrios is smarter about economics than most of his readers, but betrays his knowledge by slanting the economic news he reports. Even though he knows the economy is getting stronger, he still tries to dupe his readers into believing that the economy is in the toilet, for partisan reasons, apparently.
But
(i) it's way to early to claim that the current trends show that the economy is getting stronger, and
(ii) if the economy is recovering, it's in large part due to ole fashion Keynesian economics--government spending (in this case, military).
Reading the comments it was evident that Kaffir was trying to pick a fight, first with Ed and then with Mark. Mark's meaning was perfectly clear, and Kaffir's "interpretaion" was erroneous to the point of being ridiculous. He sure seems to be a hateful troll. Ignore him.
Adam 4-2-4 (F & B Version 1.0) -- You don't watch enough teevee. The neocons' post-Iraq invasion plan resembles the South Park UnderPants Gnomes' business plan: Step 1 -- Steal oil. Step 3 -- Profit. What's step 2? Step 1 -- Steal oil. Step 3 --Profit....
LOL. I've seen that episode.
Hey, here's a backdoor way of defending Whistle Ass's "economic policy" by trashing FDR.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/r...edt-
roes30.html
The last paragraph is a real zinger, praising the former Worst President Ever, William G. Harding.
Another oil pipeline fire reported in Iraq. Everything W and the GOPukes touch turns to shit, and the Dems are supposed to stand by and cheer? Not this time, W. You were warned about what would happen if you invaded Iraq, and you chose to ignore it. All past and future Iraqi deaths are on your hands. Please pull our troops out of the quagmire you've created. Immediately.
Whistle-ASS origina from Ms. Barron. I was just wonderign whether she got it form someone else.
Thanks.
Kaffir has reading comprehension difficulties but I'm sure his Math SAT scores are through the roof (at 99 mph from a distance between warehouse floor and roof of 21 feet - te tiles will fly only 11 inches inot the air with the lightning bolt of inspiration that must certainyl strike him soon). At least I think it's a bolt of inspiration -- or somebody else could be pissed: "Oops, let me fix that mistake."
Barron obit.
Memes are funny insidious things ain't they??
I understand they now have Whistle Ass dolls.
Kaffir uses the "I know you are, but what am I" method of debate. When that doesn't work, it the "hey, lookit that strawman over there!" gambit. Give him some slack, he's just a beginner...
Where's Good News That Atrios Won't Tell U? He was a much more evolved troll.
The last paragraph is a real zinger, praising the former Worst President Ever, William G. Harding.
Harding's relatives must be breathing a sigh of relief. Shrub-a-dub has him beat by a mile, too.
Kaffir is an idiot.
He would much rather we posted touchy feely stories about how wonderful the Iraqis feel Americans are.
I AM celebrating our failure in Iraq, in this very narrow sense: If American troops have to DIE to make the neocons realize that their policies are complete failures, then so be it. I didn't send them over there, nor did I sign their names on the enlistment forms.
They knew what they were getting into, and most of them were eager to do it. Soldiers die, it's part of the job description.
I don't like it, and I think it's tragic, but if that's what it takes to force the US to formulate a more rational foreign policy than "Let's "re-make" the MidEast more to our liking." then so fucking be it.
It's a damn shame, but not my fault. I hate it, but I hope we get our asses handed to us and that Bush is revealed to be a complete and utter failure as a President and military leader.
You can't make an omellette without breaking eggs and a good hot pan.
Damn right, Monkey! And, they died for a good cause if it makes "the neocons realize that their policies are complete failures." But, be prepared for a lot a hate and contempt from the cyberpunk hippies. I'm not sure which is more pathetic -- the right wing chickhawks or the left wing cyberpunk hippies exploiting Our Guys and Gals in Uniform for their political purposes. For some odd damn reason the cyberpunk hippies must think the Don't Support the President but Support the Troops jive will buy them some credibility from the flag wavin' whistle asses. Our Guys and Gals in Uniform were (and still are) awfully goddamn gung ho when they were bombing the Iraqis from 30K feet and lobbing shells from 30 miles away and the Iraqis couldn't fight back. Until Our Guys and Gals start paintin' peace symbols on their helmets and Hummers and fraggin' their officers, they can continue to sweat, bleed, and die for all I care. And you're right about Our Guys & Gals in Uniform signing on the dotted line. It's not like they were given the choice of going to Veetnom, jail, or leaving the country.
"The most shameful politicizing of troop deaths is aWol's carrier stunt. He covered himself in glory, strutted and postured yet the blood of our young folks and that of many innocent Iraqis still flows. The other politicizers are the shameful troop death minimizers, so far Flush and Brit Spume."
If you think the carrier stunt that President Codpiece gloried in was awful, wait till the revisionist movie about his heroic behavior on 9/11 is on TV. In this piece of trash, Whistle Ass uses the misery, suffering and deaths of thousands of people in order to keep himself in the White House. There's got to be a special place in hell for cynics like him.
TownDrunk - I refer to the "everything he touches turns to shit" as "the Scobie Touch."
And Kaffir - perhaps Hooked on Phonics would help you. Mark said that there was hope because two guys who had been gung-ho to go into Iraq, based on Bushco's lies, seem to be waking up to the fact that it's a huge mess - JUST LIKE WE TOLD THEM IT WOULD BE. There was no mention of casualties, and quite frankly, not to diminish those, but what the fuck kind of military do we have if we cannot get electicity going after 4 months because we're losing 2 out of 140,000 soldiers per day? It's so fucking obvious that these guys have NO CLUE how to fix what they were so eager to break - and never even bothered to make a plan. And if some of your ass-hatted brethren are waking up to that fact, then Mark is correct, it IS something to celebrate.
The right wing chickhawk whistle asses using Our Guys and Gals as little green footballs is no surprise. I just expected something better from the "anti-war" crowd.
Oh well, it's a long weekend and its time to collect the water from the rain barrel now. So I'm gonna miss all the hate and contempt from the We Don't Support the President but We Support the Troops cyber hippies.
i wish we could see the actual death notice of dear Mrs. Baron.
and we don't HAVE to wish for more troop deaths in the qWagmire, for they will happen BECAUSE the Simian PUT them there with less than they need. unfortunately they are the ones paying for the idiot Bush and Rumsfool's policy.
Kaffir sounds like Water Closet's 13-year-old son.
Shaw Kenawe,
I agree. This movie that is about to come out about 9/11 is shameful exploitation of the horror we all went through. In my opinion, it is not going to have the effect aWol and his handlers are expecting.There are no depths too low for aWol's regime.
aWol's regime is lower than snakeshit in a deep rut.
Make that aWol whistle ass's regime is lower than snakeshit in a deep rut.
We've been too hard on Kaffir. He has the average intelligence of a wingnut, and therefore does not have any reasonable degree of reading comprehension. And we've been too hard on our troops. They too have the average wingnut intelligence and therefore cannot realize that they are the bad guys.
Monkey and Phair and balanced:
I have to take exception. The death of any of our soldiers is absolutely unacceptable. None of the ones dying are decisions makers. They are all pawns in a game being run by neo-cons in the defense dept and white house. Most soldiers enlist because they don't have better economic options. I don't hold poor uneducated 18 year olds to the kind of standard that you do.
I would encourage you to reexamine your point of view in the context of who the people on the front line really are, and how much they know about what is going on.
If you want our soldiers to die to prove your point, I don't see that as any morally better than the conservatives who want what they deem "militants" to die to prove theirs. In fact, it is worse, as these are your own countrymen.
wish we could see the actual death notice of dear Mrs. Baron.
pansypoo, here's Sally Baron's obit:
http://www.detroitisforlovers.ne...ives/
000036.php
anonymous....you seem to be revelling in the fact that 11 thousand French citizens died in the heat wave. You and others regard the French as the worst enemies of mankind. You're a sick puppy. For your information...the French still love Americans. It's neocons like you who are trying to drive a wedge between us...why, I don't know. This whole thing has gotten completely out of hand and the US will be divided for a long time. How sad.
You beat me to it, derek g.
If anyone actually agrees with monkey and Dr. Phair above, remember: another successful terrorist strike in this country, which kills you and 3000 other innocent Americans, might also "make the neocons realize that their policies are complete failures".
I, for one, hope that doesn't happen.
The "make an omelette" analogy is a lot less convincing when you realize that you could be one of the eggs.
Enaud,
I don't even want to think about how we're supposed to play with a Whistle-Ass Doll.
I don't give a damn whether the neocons realize their policies are a complete failure. As long as the rest of the country does, we can boot them out of office and send them directly to jail (do no pass go, do not collect $200 million dollars in war profits).
Which is worse cyberpunk hippies or neo-con chickenhawks? Who sent in the troops fully warned of the consequences with no plans other than looting Iraq's assets?
Next question.
Monkey is a troll, attempting to meet Atrios's challenge. Smarter trolls, please.
http://www.shortkeys.com/downloa...load2/
shkey.zip
Kaffir -
Just on the off-chance that you're serious, here's how to figure out what's going on in Mark's comment that bugged you so much.
1. Two Foolish People are talking about a Bad Thing which they loudly supported when it was first announced. (If you prefer a Fair and Balanced example, let's pretend that the two people talking are Foolish Liberals and the Bad Thing is Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them.")
2. The two Foolish People mention in their conversation about the Bad Thing that they have noticed It Is In Fact A Bad Thing -- even though they supported it when it was first announced. (This would be like the Foolish Liberals finally realizing that WhO'Reilly is a Good Guy and Al is a Bad Guy.)
OK - are you with me so far?
3. Mark's comment says that because the Foolish People who are talking have finally realized that the Bad Thing they once supported may actually be a Bad Thing, maybe they are becoming more aware of How Things Work.
4. Mark doesn't say so out loud, but it is clear from what he writes and from how the English language works that he believes that Foolish People finding out How Things Work is a Good Thing.
5. Because Mark thinks that the Good Thing outlined in note #4 is happening, he says that he thinks there is hope. He could have written "I am beginning to think that there is hope that the Foolish People are finding out How Things Work. That would be a Good Thing. If they do figure out how the Bad Thing works, they will stop supporting it, and that would also be Good." That would be a longer but more easily understood way of writing the same thing.
If you understood any of this ... well, maybe Mark said it best:
There is hope.
I wish these comments could be edited.
The link at the top of my note to Kaffir has nothing to do with anything, and I'm not affiliated with, or even familiar with, the Website linked.
Heaven only knows what Kaffir will make of it -- or this disclaimer.
Sigh ...
I think Kaffir is probably too busy rounding up a pitchfork-wielding lynch mob of John-and-Janet-level readers in Freeperville...
You can bet none of them are saying "No, wait...it could mean..."
Louise,
I have heard that Annthrax Coulter uses hers as a dild,..... uh sexual gratification device.
Derik G "The death of any of our soldiers is absolutely unacceptable. None of the ones dying are decisions makers." - But Derik, they were the ones that ran down to the enlistment office as soon as 911 happened, because they wanted to get a piece of those hated foreignors. They also were the ones painting hateful messages on the bombs they dropped on the people of Iraq. They have a terrible hatred toward the Iraqis for no good reason except that our government brainwashed them. They also wanted revenge and to give themselves glory for killing all those terrible Iraqis. If they are so stupid that they believe everything they read, they deserve what they get. I do not support the troops nor do I support the president. The troops have made a mess in Iraq and continue to kill civilians. The freedom we gave Iraq was worse, much worse, than what they had before. At least before, they didn't have to live in a world contaminated by DU radiation dust. (well, there was already DU, but now there is soooooooo much more of it). It is heartbreaking to realize there are over 20,000 maimed/injured Iraqis because of US. Even more so, all the Iraqi people who died during the initial invasion, then the ones that have been killed/wounded because of our troops flying off the handle and shooting into crowds. Now, the terrorists are there - they weren't before - but now they are - and those terrorists are not only the troops but people from other countries who just want to terrorize or cause problems for our troops.
Someone mentioned Al Franken's book. I just got it and I bought it from Amazon.com through Atrois's link! So far, it is a damn good read!--- and that is only the first couple chapters
I just realized I had more to say regarding our freeing of the Iraqi natives - People were commenting on the rivers in the area and how Iraq had lots of water. My comment "Even if they have plenty of water, it is not clean, drinkable water. How are the water filters coming along? After the 91 bombing of their waste and water facilities, thousands died from waterborn diseases. They mentioned cholera on the uprise a couple months ago. I wonder what the status is now of the rampant diseases. No-one mentions them because of the killing by guns and bombs, but I would imagine there is a lot of death caused by disease and perhaps, starvation, lack of medicines, wounds from other than war, etc. How are their medical facilities? Do they have the best of everything? Do they have any more than they did? If so, I want to know what we are providing in the manner of medical. Why do we not hear much in those areas? Are they just not important?" These are side issues to the current status of our troops, aWol, etc., but I think they should be addressed, too.
I have more than one here. First, Kaffir:
QUOTE: Here, again, is what Mark posted:
"Two rich white suburban biznessmen who ridiculed my anti-war rants were sitting in the office waiting to get out early for Labor Day. One says - you know this war - Bush could lose next year. The other one says - he's very vulnerable. Then they talk about deaths, quagmire etc.
I think there is hope.
Mark | 08.30.03 - 1:48 am | #"
Mark writes "I think there is hope."
"Deaths, quagmire" give hope to Mark.
Mark is a sick fuck lefty moron.
For people like me, Atrios will come in here and call me a "fucking moron."
But will Atrios come in here and condemn a sick-fuck-lefty-moron like Mark? I doubt it, but let's see!
Kaffir | 08.30.03 - 5:40 am | # ENDQUOTE
Kaffir, Atrios won't bother with you. When you chose your alias, did you know what the word means when it's at home?
But you are sick. You are stupid, too.
The 'left' you hate so bad would have tried to get you a decent education in a public school so that when you read words you would know what they meant, but your heroes defunded schools and piled on paperwork so the teachers didn't have time to help the backward kids like you in the way the teachers would have liked to do and the way the backward kids like you needed. You are sick because you believe that Mark is celebrating the deaths of our soldiers, and of the Iraqis killed in the war. You are stupid because you cannot see that Mark is actually celebrating the perception by his fellow businessmen that this war is bad.
Second: Fairandbalancedoldwhitelady,
YOU are disgusting.
The kids in the field are at fault, eh? Hate the soldiers, eh? Hate the US as much as possible, eh?
You may be old but you're sure not grown up.
A cut and paste from Kaffir:
Here, again, is what Mark posted:
"Two rich white suburban biznessmen who ridiculed my anti-war rants were sitting in the office waiting to get out early for Labor Day. One says - you know this war - Bush could lose next year. The other one says - he's very vulnerable. Then they talk about deaths, quagmire etc.
I think there is hope.
Mark | 08.30.03 - 1:48 am | #"
Mark writes "I think there is hope."
"Deaths, quagmire" give hope to Mark.
Mark is a sick fuck lefty moron.
For people like me, Atrios will come in here and call me a "fucking moron."
But will Atrios come in here and condemn a sick-fuck-lefty-moron like Mark? I doubt it, but let's see!
Kaffir | 08.30.03 - 5:40 am | #
Yeah, there is hope we can save the lives of a lot more American kids over in Iraq 'buying it for Georgie' on an almost daily basis if some right wing businessman types are starting to see what a royal fuckup Georgie has gotten us into.
Kaffir - your head is up your ass! A common position for trolls like yourself!
I am not KOS but I already think you are a 'fucking moron'! You didn't even understand the concept of hoping to save the lives of Ameican kids getting killed and maimed for Georgie.
I'd recommend remedial reading classes for you but I am sure the Rethuglican budget cuts gave the money to Ken Lay instead.
Trolls like you make us more firm in our desire to remove your hero from office as soon as possible. Many of us are eagerly awaiting the chance to wave 'buh-bye' to Whistle-Ass!
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> Can anyone think of any rightist
> who once trumpeted their certainty
> that WMD would be found who has
> since admitted that they were wrong?
They were not wrong. Double agents duped em..
> And, they died for a good cause
> if it makes "the neocons realize
> that their policies are complete
> failures."
There is an economic draft.
> Dr. Phair & Balanced Fill
We see in others what we know in ourselves.
I found an interesting website for someone who wants to use a dictionary. I regard this as an unintended side benefit of the troll-wars.
http://www.onelook.com/ is a site where you can enter a word and all dictionary sites with definitions of that word will be displayed.
A dictionary of dictionaries if you will.
I used it to look up 'Kaffir', and essentially it was a putdown word for black person.
Wonder why 'Kaffir' chose 'Kaffir' as a troll moniker? Any answer, 'Kaffir' the troll?
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Why is this place always infested with the MBF wingnut trolls? Tell them to go sieg-heil their damn fuehrer somewhere else.
Whistle-asses, one and all ... and dumb whistle-asses, at that.
Kaffir can't possibly be as dumb as he's pretending to be.
Ergo, he's just trying to hijack the thread.
He's a toad, impervious to argument. Stop talking to at him.
Oops. Just "at."
Re. Fair&Balancedoldwhitelady's comments on US troops:
I fail to understand your position, Madam. The troops in the fields are merely doing their jobs. It is not their fault that the Bush administration has no idea of what their job should be or how they are supposed to go about doing it. They were sent to fight and they did a good job. Nobody seems to have prepared to them for the task of facing potentially hostile Iraqis for months at end - they were all expecting flowers and smiles and short tours of duty.
Your statements suggest that you either support disbanding of armies or mutinies when the soldiers don't agree with the political bosses. Either would be a disaster in today's world.
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