I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Curiosity kills the cat. For those voting for Arnold because they are curious to how he would run the state as the "Governator," my advice: don't.
I recall three years ago a number of the people around me were voting for Bush because they were curious about his vague stand on the issues, and because it would be the second time in American history that the son of a president becomes president. The result? Just look where it has gotten us.
I know there are people voting for Arnold because of his political platform (what platform?), but for the rest of the people it is important to vote based on the issues.
Personally, if we are voting on character I'd take the Soysauce Man (see link) over Arnold anyday.
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With Ahhhnolds impending election, one can't help but ask: how much lower can American Politics sink?
If the California Legislature burns down next week, you know we're in trouble.
Moronic... brownshirt... fucks.
knew i should have taken the red pill.
J.T.
Well, according to Ralph Nader it is going to have to get worse, much worse before anything changes.
Arnie is being test marketed for a future presidential run. Why would the Republicans change a winning formular. Get an air head with a big grin, who promises he is a good guy, and then let the handlers take over when he is elected. Seems to work over and over again!
here's the way out...
Recall passes, Arnold gets most votes to replace Davis. Before vote is certified by Secretary of State, Davis resigns and Bustamonte becomes governor.
According to CA Sec. of State Web site:
The recall question contains two parts. You may vote on both parts or on just one. Either way, your vote will be counted. The first part will ask, “Shall Gray Davis be
recalled (removed) from the office of Governor?”
If Bustamonte is governor, this entire election has no effect.
Arnie is being test marketed for a future presidential run.
Well, but for a minor document in the National Archives, anyway...
Arnie cant run for president. He's too far to the left (particularly wrt abortion) to get the GOP nod.
It's a sad state of affiars when it works to attack career politicians because they are just that. People devote their lives, on both sides, to making a difference. Arnold comes in and tells CA that these people are not fit to lead? A candidate of opportunity indeed.
Ha! Vote Conan, fools!
Stop blaming the GOPress. This is about American being a country of absolute freaking morons. Plain. And Simple.
With aprox 40-somthing % of the population unable to find the Pacific Ocean on a map we are going to be surpised that CA will elect the Hitlersaurus? And blame Howie Kurtz and Tweety? Ugh.
Wake up people! Maybe Canada is hiring...
Paco Arce could and did pay for gay escapades.
I hate myself.
I think that's been discussed to death. The horse is glue and it still ain't true.
This is what will happen (barring the Gropeinator losing):
Between appalled Democrats and McClintock Republicans, the CA Legislature goes into siege mode and pulls out their Gridlock For Dummies guides. Unable to realize that This Is How Things Work, Groper gets mad and his public image begins to slip. Once this happens, the media turns on him as they did once the same veil fell off Jesse Ventura.
I heard somewhere that the next recall can't be held for another six months, that should be plenty of time for Groper to have dig enough of a grave to bury himself in.
As for who to run against him, why haven't the CA Dems tried courting Dick Riordan to their side? The guy's got plenty of knives in his back from his own party, you'd think he'd get the hint by now.
Don't underestimate the power of the executive branch. Many of my friends thought "well, what's the worst george bush can do?" In 6 months, arnold can loot the place.
Poland doesn't stand a chance.
He cannot be president without a constitutional amendment - one must be born here to rule --no naturalized citizens.
Blech. Commander's grammar shot to hell. Me speak like caveman until brain start working again.
Come to think of it, we don't either.
Ah, but Bush has a largely friendly Congress and Supreme Court. Groper wouldn't.
I miss Steve Lopez in Philly...but I'm glad he is in the trenches out in CA.
whatizname from Utah has alreadyu proposed amending the Constitution to pave the way from an Ahnoldblitz.
Either that or he can go through Belgium.
Not being an American, I always thought that the Gov of a state did not have much power. Is that right?
Was not that the thing about Bush? He just played video games all day.
Mind you, watch the whores change their tune if a movement starts to recall arnie. You can just hear Howie scream " IT IS SO UNFAIR"
depends on the state. in Texas for some reason the Lieutenant Governor has most of the power.
This is what will happen (barring the Gropeinator losing):
Total Recall II. Not if, but when. How long will it take to get 5% to sign a recall petition? I'd put the over/under at 34 days.
I still don't see what's wrong with my plan. The vote is: "Shall Gray Davis be recalled (removed) from the office of Governor?"
Assuming this passes, why can't Davis resign the day after the election and let Bustamonte become governor?
The election results must be certified first, which may take weeks. In the meantime, Bustamonte becomes governor, and there is no Gray Davis left to recall when results are certified!
Things are getting interesting:
Oakland Tribune Withdraws Schwarzenegger Support
http://asia.reuters.com/
newsArti...storyID=3558363
and
TV presenter 'groped' by Schwarzenegger may sue
http://news.independent.co.uk/wo...sp?
story=450105
"A former intern at CNN, Collette Brooks, told reporters that he groped her buttocks and told her she had "a nice ass" while she was showing him around a studio 25 years ago. In another incident, an assistant director on his 1988 film Twins claimed he had regularly undressed in front of her in his trailer, while Carla Baron, a stand-in on the same movie set, said he had sandwiched her between himself and a crew member and forced his tongue into her mouth."
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I still don't see what's wrong with my plan. The vote is: "Shall Gray Davis be recalled (removed) from the office of Governor?"
Assuming this passes, why can't Davis resign the day after the election and let Bustamonte become governor?
The election results must be certified first, which may take weeks. In the meantime, Bustamonte becomes governor, and there is no Gray Davis left to recall when results are certified!
This message board is a prime example of why more money needs to be funneled towards education in this country.
Didn't you guys learn in the first grade that one must be born in this country to be president of this country?
Sheesh.
Oh, and to the person who mentioned Steve Lopez. I was a Philadelphian who severely missed his scathing articles in the Inky. As a recent LA transplant, I can't tell you how satisfying it is to read his stuff again. He has been going after The Predator for months, but in my opinion he's been to easy on him.
Phil
oops -- double post, sorry
There's a movement to amend the csonstitution about this. People are aware of that.
Assaulting nuns is SOP for the wingnutians. They're trying to ape Arnold's obsession with preying on the weaker sex. A few of his victims' husbands or boyfriends should get together and kick the shit out of him. He's gotten so used to stunt men rolling over for him that he actually believes he's a threatening figure. His ass should be shipped to Iraq where he can get to play for keeps.
"There's a movement to amend the csonstitution about this. People are aware of that.
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Sorry. Didn't mean to imply that anyone here is dumb, which is how my post came across after reading it.
I can't see that amendment ever passing, although I couldn't see us bombing the hell out of defenseless nations for fraudulent reasons, or a supreme court putting an unelected president in place, or...
Seriously, Phil, Orrin Hatch has already submitted an amendment to change that aspect of the Constitution. Don't you read the papers?
Don't underestimate the power of the executive branch. Many of my friends thought "well, what's the worst george bush can do?" In 6 months, arnold can loot the place.
Ah, yes.
Well, we'll see what happens. Some of this "we love Arnold" is bussed-in support and media hype.
If he wins, start the recall. If he doesn't, I'll have a lot of respect for the people of California.
Have you seen what's gong on over at Drudge? Maria is getting sick from having to defend him and the Daily Mail is coming out with something tomorrow that will make the LA Times "look G Rated by comparison".
Why is nobody paying attention to the Greg Palast thing?
did anyone see the interview on Fox with the DJ who was groped during an interview 20 years ago?
The lady doing the interviewing was like a lawyer...relentlessly and mercilessly attacking.
The best part was at the end when the interviewer was going in for the kill by asking her if this event that happened 20 years ago is relevant to today. When the DJ was able to respond she just said that she didn't think that all the other accusations are from 20 years ago, so it was relevant. That must have pissed the Fox person off because she ended it quickly.
But WTF? How can you say ignore all the other allegations of groping, is that specific incident relevant to today...well, duh...if it is a continuing trend it certainly is. We don't live in a vacuum. Anyway...the timing of the event doesn't matter, they said the same things about Bennet: "Can't a person change." Well, I am of the mindset that they can, but Arnolds forgetful memory is too similar to our current administration. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Sad sad day for CA and our country if Arnold wins.
Philadelphians and Ex-Philadelphians:
OT: Anybody know whatever happened to Clark DeLeon?
I live out in the wilderness called Arizona, don't know if he resurfaced in Philly or not. He was great for puncturing that great balloon ego known as Frank Rizzo.
"Seriously, Phil, Orrin Hatch has already submitted an amendment to change that aspect of the Constitution. Don't you read the papers?"
Mr. Morality wants Arnold as president? Is it possible? It's just too sick. Do Republican's have any conscience any more?
By the way, check out the op-ed in support of Arnold by Susan Estrich in today's LATimes. It's really disturbing and pathetic to see a woman defending what Arnold did.
I think we can't live without authority. There's a certain amount of people meant to be leaders, and to control, and another large amount, 95 percent, are followers. We have to tell (them) what to do and how to keep in order, you know?
The lemming-like behavior of the California electorate makes me suspect that Arnold is, sadly, somewhat correct in this statement. Too bad the 5% chosen to lead are often criminals.
Something is seriously wrong in this country. Very seriously wrong.
So many Ds and Is, even Rs and Gs, unwilling to vote for a Latino, but willing to vote for a European. Even one with issues about sex, violence, and authority, but uncorrupted by Indian money. Kwel.
A native of El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciúncula.
aReader - The way the law is written, the winner of the recall takes office anyway. Davis could've ended it if he'd resigned before the recall petition was certified by the SecState, but once that happened, the recall proceeds and the results apply regardless.
Nice try, though.
just saw the Faux interview that lag posted about... the poor woman was assaulted on the air.
Phil,
I disagree with you...I happen to think the "Arnold Amendment" is a lock, because people will spend money in favor of it, but it's a lot harder politcally to spend money to oppose it.
Isn't this America?
Can't any little boy (or girl, maybe, someday) grow up to be President?
I expect immigrant lobbies to rally support for it as well.
And probably rightfully, though in truth it really is just a present to Arnold.
Yes, it's why Arnold felt free to grope women, because he thinks of them as subhuman (the same way Hitler thought of the Jewish people not being of pure German blood and all.)
Has anyone ever noticed that George F. Will practices the same sort of ideology. It's sort of that "I'm okay, you're not okay" that the author of that book wrote of in "I'm OK--You're OK where he mentions the the type of person we are all. Mr. Thomas Harris who said criminals were often the people who thought in terms of I'm okay --you're not okay that often times ended up as criminals.
An example would be a man who robs a bank because he thinks he will not be caught mostly because he thinks he is smarter then anyone else. Hilter thought much along those lines.
Remember that Frank Rich of the NYT said that Bush thinks "we're stupid" and Bush really does think that way and that's why he lies so much to Americans. Bush and especially Donald Rumsfeld both think that Americans are stupid (remember what Rumsfeld said about Vietnam veterans and how they were nothing more the toilet paper, a bunch of idiots to be used).
This is why Arnold says "I will be your governor and I will make decisions for you". That isn't a form of democracy that Arnold is practicing here. Arnold doesn't believe in a government for the people by the people.
Look! Arnold is groping Siegfried & Roy's tiger!
Yes, it's why Arnold felt free to grope women, because he thinks of them as subhuman (the same way Hitler thought of the Jewish people not being of pure German blood and all.)
It's called sociopathy and there's a lot of it going around.
Y'know, considering the continuing collaspe of the Demcrats and their desperation they really should bring in the party big guns on this; Hillary can bemoan the "bimbo outbreaks", Carville can opine on the results of dragging a few grand (& acting jobs) through studio backlots as "bimbo enticement" and the disgraced Bill himself could file a lawsuit....or is he still barred from practicing law?
Tick, tick,tick as time grows ever closer for the yet anothr election purge of the Democrats at the hands of the Americans. Hmmmm the only question remaining: is Bustamante in charge of KoolAid distribution? heheheheh...
-he had regularly undressed in front of her in his trailer-
"Going to watch Arnold undress everyday was so upsetting!" claimed the tearful Democrat operative as she licked her lips at the very thought.
The Groping and Hitler stuff (as sickening as they are) are just red herrings that hide the REAL REASON for the recall effort.
READ PALAST'S ARTICLE! AND SEND IT TO EVERY CALIFORNIAN YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW!
(sorry for shouting) 
Palast Link:
http://gregpalast.com/printerfri...y.cfm?
artid=283
Slightly off on a tangent: that LA Times "free registration" asks too many questions. My home address? My home phone number? That's too much. I'll pass on the LA Times on-line.
Hey egg:
Go smear yourself on Drudge.
Slothrop:
No where does the LA Times registration page say you have to give REAL phone numbers and addresses....
So, Mr. Egg, come October 8 when the 24-hour gloat fest has wound down, tell me:
ack!
truncation sux.
...tell me: what is he going to do, and how is he going to do it -- with a nonexistent mandate (less than 20% of the electorate), the two most powerful forces in California aligned against him, and 38 billion in the hole?
Please folks, stop playing with your food. It's more fun that way.
""Going to watch Arnold undress everyday was so upsetting!" claimed the tearful Democrat operative as she licked her lips at the very thought."
Egg - you're a thug!
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Now the arnolians with the help of the Bob Packwood Journalist of the Year, schwarzenbegger blogger Dan Weintraub (Sac Bee) are trying to paint the LATIMES as out to get Arnold --since Weintraub is out to get Arnold elected I guess we cannot expect more -- I know he is an opinion columnist but I thought it was supposed to be somewhat fact based.
I have absolutely no clue WHY the California Republicans don't want him to win?
He seems SO at home?
Sounds like a distraction or misdirection tactic to me.
MYOB'
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
3163810.stm
In a display of evident humour, each bus on the California Comeback tour has been named after a Schwarzenegger movie.
Mr Schwarzenegger is travelling on Running Man, the campaign staff on Total Recall and the press on buses nicknamed Predator 1 through 3 and True Lies.
Nice to see he has so much respect for the press. But theres worse.
The former mayor of New York Rudy Giuliani set the thousand strong crowd up nicely when he told them "Arnold asked me to come out here and campaign for him and I was very honoured to say yes. Actually I was afraid to say no".
Ack!
Sally,
different states have different levels of involvement for the Govenors. In Texas, the roleis largely ceremonial, mostly PR and signing what's put in front of you so the cameras can get a picture. In Cali it's a little more of an actual Job as I understanbd it.
egg's a fuckstick. ignore him/her/it.
What sick little twist you are, egg. Maybe the Gropenator needs a Lt,...
http://www.drudgereport.com/as4.htm
Drudge reports that Maria isn't feeling so good.
"She is rail thin and has been suffering bouts of light-headed dizziness... she refuses to address it," one source said on Saturday.
I pity her. It can't be easy defending the indefensible, though it'd probably help if her husband let her eat something occasionaly.
At least she probably has medical insurance. Unlike the poor woman in this story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
3136522.stm
One of the things we over the pond never understand, is how you chaps have to pay for medical care. Kind of cruel, IMHO.
A Ramones song for Governor Fornicator!
"I'm a shock trooper in a stupor
Yes I am.
I'm a Nazi schatze
Y'know I fight for fatherland.
Little German boy
Being pushed around
Little German boy
In a German town.
Eins, Zwei, Drei, Vier!
Today your love, tomorrow the world."
Ok egg, out with it--what's your nickname on Free Republic? Or is it Little Green Footballs?
The Republicans put the country through impeachment to get a groper and sexual predator out of the presidency, now they are going all out to put one in the Cal. governorship.
The recall question contains two parts. You may vote on both parts or on just one. Either way, your vote will be counted. The first part will ask, “Shall Gray Davis be
recalled (removed) from the office of Governor?”
If Bustamonte is governor, this entire election has no effect.
aReader
Oh, please, please do it. California hasn't had a chance like this to drive the world crazy since Judge Ito delayed the O.J. verdict.
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-what is he going to do, and how is he going to do it-
By cutting off any California taxpayer's dollars that could possibly end up going to foreign aid (i.e American welfare for Europeans). Belgium will just have to up their price for waffles if it wants to maintain it's role as a world leader (chortle, guffaw)
Last time I checked, Egg. It was your boss, asking for cash 'n cannonfodder.
Laugh at Belgium all you like. Darn nice little country. And could teach you a thing or two about democracy.
Just back from a film screening in Brentwood where I ran into a unit from France 2 Television. They were waiting around for some hack to give them spin on the recall. I introduced myself and -- Voila! I got to diss the Steroid Nazi to half of Europe in French.
VIVE LA FRANCE!!!!
I really think this effects us all--somehow it has to get more mainstream attention.
Article by Greg Palast:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail...artid=283&
row=0
Since reading this article yesterday, I have discovered that this made the news in August. I never heard it. Certainly didn't get the kind of play that the sex allegations got--I *heard* about those.
Here's more
home / utilities / press releases
NEWS RELEASE
Oct 03, 2003
Schwarzenegger: Total Amnesia?
Enron E-Mails Show Arnold Met With Ken Lay During Energy Crisis
Santa Monica, CA --Internal Enron e-mails confirm that Arnold Schwarzenegger was among a small group of executives who met with Lay at the posh Peninsula Beverly Hills hotel in May of 2001, in the midst of California's energy crisis. View the e-mails. The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, which obtained the e-mails, is calling on Schwarzenegger to acknowledge the meetings and disclose the information that was presented and discussed. The meeting with Enron occurred ten days after rolling blackouts darkened California for two consecutive days; Schwarzenegger has previously said that he does not remember such a meeting.
"You don't meet with America's most well-known corporate crook in the middle of California's biggest financial disaster and not remember," said FTCR's senior consumer advocate Douglas Heller. "Mr. Schwarzenegger should come clean about what happened at that meeting and if he shares Ken Lay's views on energy regulation."
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/...r/
pr003708.php3
Also here:
http://www.utne.com/web_special/...es/10757-
1.html
here: http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/...3/
081903G.shtml
here: http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/
...tion15aug03.htm
and here:
http://www.oaklandtribune.com/
cd...1570050,00.html
Come on--I'm just a mom in Ohio and I've been e-mailing this to people since yesterday. Would someone with an actual *audience* please make some noise about this?
David -
translate ! What did you say?
"Going to watch Arnold undress everyday was so upsetting!" claimed the tearful Democrat operative as she licked her lips at the very thought.
Hey, Egg's got a hard-on for Arnie!!!! I didn't realize Egg was gay!
Egg, don't you think it's rather presumptuous to assume we all share your taste? Personally, I find body-builders repulsive. I'd take Wes over Arnie any day of the week...
Ahnold nekkid? eww. He looks like a piece of veiny, lumpy plastic.
Dem operative: that's what I think. Eeeewwwww. The thought of Arnie's tongue being forced in my mouth... reminds me just a little bit of rotten egg yolk...
Anyway, enough jokin' Sexual harassment is sexual harassment, even if the perp is perceived by some as "sexy". (Ick)
The French reproters anted to know about politics in Hollywood -- how were the stars responding to all of this. I told them that while Hollywood has alays been characterized as liberal it's largely been centereist Democrat. Moreover there are a number of very loud right-wingers such as Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson, Tom Selleck, Charlton Heston, and Lionel Chetwynd -- who made that ludicrous Bush movie for cable.
I said the recall was a naked power-grab by the Republicans who otherwise are out of power in the state.
Then I told them if they really wanted to know the score about politics and Hollywood they should talk to Warren Beatty,
"Ah. . .Warren Beatty. . " they sighed -- obviously having tried and failed to make contact with DA MAN.
Maybe they should have brought Isabelle Adjani along with them.
We gave the French news-team several hearty rounds of Vive la France! ourselves at today's protest at AS HQ. I thanked them vigorously for their principled and decent opposition to the Whore of Babylon...oh, you may know him as Little George.
I posted this to a thread at Daily Kos, but here it is again for your amusement:
After 5 hours of Frankinegger protest at his HQ today (tiny turnout, though enough to make quite a ruckus), here are the Arnold supporter arguments:
1) How do you know? You weren't there!
2) He knows how to have fun. Sex, drugs, and rock'n roll! (I kid you not)
3) You wish YOU could grope women.
4) Gray Davis is tripling the car tax.
They threw bananas at us, they tried direct intimidation, and they parked their ubiquitous HUGE SUV's in front of the protestors to obscure them (didn't work).
Frankinegger's HQ now has two giant banners on the front corners that say:
'Women Joining Arnold"
The question is, how many at a time, and how hard was he squeezing their titties to force them into it.
I got 12 dozen roses from a caterer friend of mine (big wedding with $50,000 of roses the night before), so we passed out No On Recall roses to all the women who came by, and nearly all said, of COURSE we are voting no. I told them the roses were to help with the stink from across the street, and they generally laughed at the lame attempt at humor.
This maneuver out-trumped the Arnold fans, who for all their money haven't figured out how to give little glass log cabins full of Booz to get votes, the way the expert liars do.
sig heil, der gropenfuerer.
""Hey, Egg's got a hard-on for Arnie!!!! I didn't realize Egg was gay!
Egg, don't you think it's rather presumptuous to assume we all share your taste? Personally, I find body-builders repulsive. I'd take Wes over Arnie any day of the week...
Shlomo"
Please, Shlomo, don't we have enough to deal with without having the egg among us.
You're right on about Wes, he looks good, even in a uniform. Show muscle always looks so repulsively odd to me. Muscle put there by work, that's another story.
As to the drooling of the persumably straight media men over Arnold, maybe they've been watching too much Bravo. The necessity of considering Chris Matthews sex life, yech!
If we want an open society, dissenters must feel safe. Since police usually don't protect them, we have to. Trained security squads are a good investment.
Overheard at the Schwarzenegger rally:
“Who’s the guy with the LA Times?” the host asked. “Find him and beat him up, will you?”
http://www.sacbee.com/static/web...eblogs/insider/
(Scroll down to section on Washington Times)
We shoud kill all gropers.
http://64.33.59.128/cgi/quit/
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