I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Lots of Sgt. Schultzes in this crew...
Wait until they say it under oath.
Define "Not" and "Me".
Later, I suspect there will be some explination bout how these denials are "technically accurate".
Well, if it actually is one of those three, hopefully this will give some enterprising journalist the incentive to "out" them in turn...
It's not me, I didn't do it, and you can't prove it. Or whatever Bart's exact quote is.
Lyin bastages.
Think there's a chance that it's actually Cheney?
Because his spokesman was asked early on, and he had no comment . . .
Hmm. When was the last time you heard anything out of this White House on a weekend? They ARE worried.
Novak has said a few times that his source wasn't a political "gunslinger." The only one that absolutely applies to is Rove. Oh well. Maybe he'll get caught up for the (lack of) ethics of pushing the story after it had been leaked.
Scooter, Elliot, and Karl all say "not me!"
Well, that's good enough to convince me.
Can't we all just move on?
cheney
NOT
Ollie North is one of the few Republican treasonous felons not hired by the Rove Administration.
OK, he's TECHNICALLY not a felon. He just committed felonies. And was convicted of it before getting off on a technicality. But he funded terrorists, armed enemies of the US, subsidized drug runners, spent stolen public money on his home and lied about it to Congress.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bi...a/oliver-north/
iago writes: "Novak has said a few times that his source wasn't a political "gunslinger.""
I wonder if that would exclude a political gunslinger from being his confirmation source.
The Final Desperate Strategy (To Evade Responsibility)
No honor and no integrity.
the more that Novak tries to downplay this the more serious I think this is
WTF is a Political Gunslinger (besides a tired and sloppy metaphore)? That's like saying, "My source was not Darth Vader. So stop looking at him like that!"
Great Zombie Jesus! You're a fucking reporter, not Zane Gray! There's no tumbleweed in DC! Stop telling us who it's not and tell us who it is since, you know, that's your god damned job!
AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
(Sound of head exploding)
Wait until they say it under oath.
No reason to.
The perps in the WH have already committed a crime, so there isn't any need to wait for them to commit perjury as well. Burn them now and let the ashes fall where they may.
The hell? If not Scooter, then WHO?
Reminds me of a children's game, a sing-song game on the playground. Anybody remember?
"Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?
Karl stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
Who, me?
Yes, you.
Couldn't be.
Then, who?
Scooter stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
Who, me?
Yes, you.
Couldn't be.
Then who?
Eliott stole the cookie, etc. etc."
freelixir - Final Desperate Strategy was a great link. Thanks.
Oh yeah, anyone who want to tell Time Warner that it is time to tell Noval to reveal his sources can write to this address:
Mr. Richard Parsons
President
Time Warner
75 Rockefeller Plaza
NY NY 10019
if this comes to fuckin nothing like Iran/Contra. i am just going to start the more outta here. fucking retardicans have stlen my country and raped and murderedMY COSTITUTION.
Why not Robert Joseph?
Remember this?
Wouldn't Robbie have access to the Plame info?
And just as much face to save as Scooter?
Just asking.
Seriously.
I mean, I'd like to scratch him off my scorecard if anyone can explain why I should.
More...
Alan Foley, a senior CIA official, disclosed this detail when he accompanied Tenet in a closed-door hearing before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on Wednesday.
Foley, director of the CIA's intelligence, nonproliferation and arms control center, told committee members that the controversial 16-word sentence was eventually suggested by Joseph in a telephone conversation just a day or two before the speech, according to congressional and administration sources who were present at the five-hour session.
At the hearing, Foley said he called Joseph to object to mentioning Niger and that a specific amount of uranium was being sought. Joseph agreed to eliminate those two elements but then proposed that the speech use more general language, citing British intelligence that said Iraq had recently been seeking uranium in Africa.
Foley said he told Joseph that the CIA had objected months earlier to the British including that in their published September dossier because of the weakness of the U.S. information. But Foley said the British had gone ahead based on their own information.
When Foley first began answering questions on who from the White House staff sought to put the uranium charge in the State of the Union address, he did not mention Joseph's name, referring only to "a person" at the NSC. It was only after Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) and several other senators demanded the name that he identified him.
A senior administration official said yesterday the only conversation that took place was about the classification of the source of the alleged uranium transaction. The question was whether to attribute the alleged transaction to a classified U.S. intelligence estimate or to a published British dossier and, he said, it was "agreed to use the British."
However, there are six other references to information carried in the U.S. estimate, and they are attributed to "U.S. intelligence" or "intelligence sources."
Both the Senate committee and the White House have begun internal discussions over how to handle the potentially delicate task of questioning presidential aides as part of a congressional investigation. Claims of executive privilege have in the past increased public interest and complicated the process of calling on White House aides to testify.
Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) said Wednesday night: "We will take this where it leads us. We'll let the chips fall where they may." A senior congressional aide said Roberts is prepared to seek a way to question Joseph and any other White House aides.
?????
Is Robert Joseph a "gunslinger" or a sniper?
Alan Foley made him out to be a scrapper.
Who is the "senior Bush administration official" here? Anyone know? Anyone?
A senior Bush administration official Friday offered further details as to how a now-disputed claim that Iraq sought to obtain uranium from Africa was included in U.S. President George W. Bush’s State of the Union address.
...
Last week, Alan Foley, a CIA WMD expert, told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence during a closed hearing that a National Security Council official had asked him whether the Niger uranium claim could be included in the State of the Union, according to the Baltimore Sun . Foley said he told Robert Joseph, NSC director for nonproliferation, that the CIA had found the evidence on the claim to be inconclusive and that it should not be included.
According to Foley, Joseph then tried to negotiate the inclusion of the claim, asking whether it would be accurate to say that the United Kingdom had reported that Iraq had attempted to obtain uranium from Africa. Foley told the committee that he had eventually agreed.
The senior Bush administration official, however, said that no such “negotiation” had occurred and that the CIA had simply approved the reference to the British intelligence dossier to be included (David Greene, Baltimore Sun , July 19).
Just curious.
Seriously.
"Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?
Karl stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
Who, me?
Yes, you.
Couldn't be. I'm merely the confirmation source, as jh says above (ding ding ding), so technically all I did was declare her fair game and issue the license. He already had the goodies when we talked, which he got from somebody else.
Then, who?
Cheney stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
Who, me?
Yes, you.
Couldn't be, and you can't prove it.
By Dana Milbank and Dana Priest
Saturday, July 19, 2003; Page A01
The senior official, [Who?!] who fielded questions for 75 minutes in the White House briefing room, presented a version of events leading up to Bush's State of the Union address that contradicted testimony given to the Senate intelligence committee this week by CIA officials. The official said that while the CIA successfully removed a specific allegation from an October Bush speech, that Iraq had sought 500 tons of "yellowcake" uranium ore in Niger, the CIA raised no objection to any statement about uranium in Africa in the State of the Union speech.
The official said that in the drafting of Bush's January speech, aides decided to attribute the uranium allegation to British intelligence because of a "stylistic" decision to provide sources for several allegations, "to make the speech more credible." The official said no draft of the speech mentioned specific amounts of uranium and said "there was not a sharing of various language or anything like that" between the White House and the CIA.
Alan Foley, a senior CIA official, told a closed-door hearing of the Senate intelligence committee on Wednesday that before Bush's State of the Union address, he called National Security Council official Robert Joseph to object to a line saying Iraq wanted to purchase 500 pounds of uranium from Niger, according to congressional and administration sources who were present at the hearing.
The official who briefed reporters yesterday said the uranium assertion in Bush's January speech was based on more than the British intelligence. The NIE, while saying the Niger claim was the work of a "foreign government service," also said "reports indicate Iraq also has sought uranium ore from Somalia and possibly the Democratic Republic of the Congo."
Officials from two government departments said yesterday that those claims were not verifiable, either.
"Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?
Karl stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
Who, me?
Yes, you.
Couldn't be. I'm merely the confirmation source, as jh says above (ding ding ding), so technically all I did was declare her fair game and issue the license. He already had the goodies when we talked, which he got from somebody else.
Then, who?
Cheney stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
Who, me?
Yes, you.
Couldn't be, and you can't prove it.
Yes, yes, it is from a LaRouche rag, but is it informative nonetheless?
Tenet Fingers a 'Mole'
It was also on July 16, that George Tenet and another senior CIA official, Alan Foley, testified in a closed-door session of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Their appearance also marked a turning-point, in shifting the Committee's focus from the role of the CIA, to the question of who within the White House had pressed for the inclusion of the fraudulent Niger story in the State of the Union speech.
It was reported that Tenet and Foley had, under intense questioning, named Dr. Robert Joseph, the Director of Nonproliferation for the National Security Council, as the staff-level official who insisted on retaining the discredited Niger canard in the President's speech. Following the Committee session, its chairman, Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) indicated for the first time, that the Committee will broaden its focus, to "follow the trail wherever it may lead," and he suggested that he may call White House officials in for questioning. "We'll let the chips fall where they may," Roberts declared.
The identification of Robert Joseph in an official hearing is quite significant. (Joseph had already been identified in a number of press accounts, as having been engaged in a dispute with CIA officer Foley over the Niger statement.)
EIR had published a profile of Joseph back in April 2001, exposing him as a "plant" in the NSC for leading neo-con warhawk Richard Perle, the disredited former chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. During the Reagan Administration, Joseph worked under Perle and Frank Gaffney in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. He now sits on the Advisory Board of Gaffney's Center for Security Policy, one of the major "chicken-hawk" nests in Washington.
Just asking.
What America needs is a journalistic DEEPTHROAT2003...One of the 6 reporters who were gifted by the White House slime machine with the outing of Valerie Wilson should him/herself become an anonymous source and tell Woodward/Bernsein2003 who the traitor is. In that way he/she can uphold journalistic ethics and still be a patriotic American citizen.
from the FINANCIAL TIMES....
URBANE ENVOY ON A MISSION. by a james harding.
don't you feel warm and fuzzy when financial journals[also WSJ] cannot get it accurately?
the story is that someone associated with the executive branch of usgov commited a felony by revealing the name of an intelligence operative. and then robert novak committed a felony[misprision of..] by making that "naming" public.
and of course, novak has compounded that offense, now, by revealing the operative's cover organization. i call all this traitorous acts. for it reveals methods and practices of the us intelligence services. that is the only issue, here.
puts novak and his sources into a lower rung of hell than phil agee.
there is an odd irony to the FT story though. and that is the fact that they identify joe wilson as a graduate of uc santa barbara. hmmmmmmmmm....
i wonder if that indicates that the uc santa barbara campus is a cover for spook training. i say that because babs bodine, after she cycled out of yemen, after shutting down the o'neill investigation into the uss cole attack, received a sinecure as a prof at ucsb.
and she was sheltered there for some months until gwbush recalled her to be one of the post-gangfight administrators of iraq, along with jim baker's paramour maggie tutwiler and gen. garner.
i say this because joe wilson ended up in gabon. knowing what i know about gabon and sao tome, this kind of a position might make him a spook.
and that is the unaddressed story...joe was/has been/is a spook. so too his wife.
he knows the bushies very well. you cannot have been in gabon and not known of how the bushies were playing in that fledgling petroleum-producing country.
as i see it, most of you out there are brain dead. you keep dealing with the superficial levels. take it to the deeper level: joe wilson is also a spook.
as a spook, what all does he know?
and, how soon do you think that joe and valerie will be found with electrocardiogram pads on their chests?
Pretty funny, especially since it took me a moment to figure out the reference. Congrats.
Ida Know!
Albert Champion,
I think there's a standing presumption that ambassadors are de facto spooks, even if they aren't formally on the CIA payroll. Obviously, they'll be privy to seeing and hearing things most folks won't, and I'd be sore astonied if the CIA weren't regularly grilling them on the info they picked up. But that doesn't necessarily mean the same about their spouses.
I see that Robert Novak is listed on the Crowley List of CIA personnel up to 2001. Might as well out him while we're at it.
Drat !!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1453.../site/newsweek/
"Armitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson's wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA. (The memo made no reference to her undercover status.) Armitage had met with Novak in his State Department office on July 8, 2003—just days before Novak published his first piece identifying Plame. Powell, Armitage and Taft, the only three officials at the State Department who knew the story, never breathed a word of it publicly and Armitage's role remained secret.
Armitage, a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters, apparently hadn't thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame's identity. "I'm afraid I may be the guy that caused this whole thing," he later told Carl Ford Jr., State's intelligence chief. Ford says Armitage admitted to him that he had "slipped up" and told Novak more than he should have. "He was basically beside himself that he was the guy that f---ed up."
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