I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarAtrios, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Send the writer a thank you e-mail.

Folks who come over to the Bright Side must be greeted with hugs, not curses and derision.


GravatarBFEE


GravatarWhile I'm extremely happy there's finally Associated Press confirmation of this story, it could have been a little better.

You think somewhere it could mention Brown Bros and Harriman's connection to Halliburton.

Or maybe not have buried "Fritz Thyssen broke with the Nazis in 1938 over their persecution of Catholics and Jews." This was news to me! Think about that--four years before the company was seized, Prescott Bush HAD to have known how evil the Nazis were. And the bastard didn't care. He kept on running the place even when the owner was in a Nazi prison camp in protest of The Final Solution. He was a scab for the Nazis.


GravatarGod help me for this... I'd like to believe the worst, or at least I would like the worst to be believed. But this...

"Fritz Thyssen broke with the Nazis in 1938 over their persecution of Catholics and Jews, and fled to Switzerland. He later was arrested and spent 1941 to 1945 in a Nazi prison. His brother lived in Switzerland from 1932 to 1947 but continued to operate businesses in Germany".

Hell, I don't know, is this the bad guy? Sounds like he stood up unlike the majority of his fellow citizens.


GravatarBush is just trying to show he is hip like Arnis. Watch for the upcoming 'Grope'so bush can show he is just as manly as he is. bush hAtes it when he is overshadowed by social climbers like the Arnis.


GravatarActually, from what I've heard, Prescott Bush was a reasonably standup guy for an old-money blueblood Connecticut Republican banker. If for no other reason than how badly he chafed his frat-boy grandson's ass, being a man who believed in strictness and propriety, we should remember him fondly.

It just goes to prove the Bush Degeneration Theory. Prescott was okay, Bush I had a few moments (like voting for the Civil Rights Act on principle as a freshman Congressman from an über-racist district), Bush II is pretty much an unmitigated disaster, and then there's a still more disastrous generation with the twins, Noelle, and the rest. Scary to think about, really.


Gravatargood point about the timing. I guess that it just seems that Thyssen did the right thing, so you need to have more on Bush than the fact that he did business with Thyssen.


GravatarMatt,

Yeah, but with their records, they won't be running for anything.


GravatarOh, I feel vindicated now.

/me sings

Ven der Fuhrer says
"Ve ist der Master Race!"
Ve Heil, Heil!
Right in der Fuhrer's face
Und ven der Fuhrer says
They'll never bomb dis place
Vell, den, ve Heil, Heil!
Right in der Fuhrer's face!

Are ve not der supermen
Aryan-pure supermen
Ja, ve ist der supermen!
Super-duper supermen!
Ist dis Nutzi-land so gut?
Vould you leaf it if you coult?
Ja, dis Nutzi-land is gut!
Ve vould leaf it if ve could!


Exeunt to mad laughter.

On second thought, I'm surprised that these documents were declassified at all. Kind of tarnishes the family name, huh? I don't guess that too many people will bring up the saying "The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree," here, simply because Bushes seem to get a pass on stuff like that.


GravatarYeah, so his Grandpa was a Nazi banker, so what? It's not like he grew up eating food paid for by gold taken from the teeth of men, women, and children by the MOST MURDEROUS CRIMINAL REGIME EVER SEEN.

Or anything bad like that.

Sins of the fathers, blah blah blah. We can't hear you, look Arnold, look Kobe, look Chinese spacemen.


GravatarSince when does one refer to a person's grandfather as his "ancestor?"


GravatarI sincerely believe that even if each and every person in this country were aware of the Bush family Nazi connection, most wouldn't give a rat's ass.


Gravatari never said he was a nazi. chimp yes. simian yes. and fascist most definately.
Now if grew a mustache, then i would call him a nazi.


GravatarThe "hook" for this story was the release of newly declassified documents. That's what gave them the excuse to write about it.

Of course, one might ask why they didn't use the excuse three years ago that Dubya was running for President.


GravatarThese stories is a pile of BULL, I asked Grampa how he made his money and, he tolled me, "I got it from when I won Yahtzee."

That's how he got his fortuen, so what if he was a gamboller. Bill Bennett's been knowen to role the dice and he wrote the book on vertue.

GWB


GravatarSo, someday we'll have a president whose father was briefly in business with Bin Laden's father ...

Oh, wait ... that's also W.


GravatarSoveriegn Eye,

I think you're right. Every time I get to some point where the sins of the present administration are so repellent that their venality can no longer be denied, the conservative I've cornered shrugs and says, "Yeah, well, they're all alike."

But his grandfather was a Nazi!

"Yeah, just like Clinton. You want a beer?"


Gravatarmmm...beer


GravatarSW --

Thyssen was an interesting case. He was the classic mainstream corporatist who mainly saw the Nazis as a bulwark against the communists and formed an alliance with them accordingly. He began financing the Nazis in 1928, just as they were about to founder under financially. In 1932 he joined the party officially.

But by 1937, Hitler's predeliction for eating his allies was already becoming apparent. The foremost example, of course, was Ernst Roehm, former leader of the SA (Brownshirts), one of the men who put Hitler into power. Hitler actually had him done away with because he feared the power Roehm wielded through the Brownshirts. Roehm was one of the principal victims of the Night of the Long Knives in 1934.

Thyssen also was convinced by 1938 (and the invasion of Poland) that Hitler was a madman. So he fled the country -- mostly to save his own skin.

But yes, he did recognize Hitler's peculiar evil perhaps before others did.


GravatarPrescott Bush doesn't concern me, nor is GWB responsible for his actions.

The actions of GWB, on the other hand, concern me a great deal.

Focus, people.


GravatarI'm not sure that we are a "sins of the father" kind of country ...


Gravatarpansypoo-

please. please do not insult the chimps. they are rather intelligent animals, and the shrub has a long way to go. (mustaches or not). please, no more chimp comparisons, ok?


GravatarIago:

Actually, the legacy of the whole history of the Bush/Nazi dealings is very much germane to what's going on today. See my conclusions in the fourth part of my discussion of this case, Bush, the Nazis and America.

Phil Leggiere (whom I cite) puts it just about right in his essay, "The Indiscreet Charm of the Bush Nazi Web Conspiracists":

The vast majority of the Bush-Nazi conspiracy discourse is eccentric and clearly over-the-top. However, it is these web-based amateurs, and not our allegedly working professional journalists, who have kept alive a significant, largely ignored, body of evidence. This evidence is only partly about the Bushes. More significantly, it traces the origins of the cavalier, amoral relationship between American and global financial elites and genocidal dictatorships that has characterized U.S. policy for decades.

We obviously are still living with that legacy -- to wit, our dealings with such dictatorships as Iraq and Saudi Arabia, as well as China.


GravatarThose documents weren't 'declassified.' They've been sitting in the National Archives all these years, just waiting for someone interested enough to go and pick them up.

I've been in contact with the freelancer from Miami who wrote the story for NH Gazette (there are two more installemtns coming in the next month). Seems the first day he was in the archives looking for this stuff, Duhbya was actually in the building at the same time, re-dedicating part of the building.


GravatarThyssen was an interesting case. He was the classic mainstream corporatist who mainly saw the Nazis as a bulwark against the communists and formed an alliance with them accordingly.

Thyssen was anything but typical - he was probably the only big businessmen who was in good with the Nazis that early. Most of the big business types didn't start supporting the Nazis until summer 1932 or so, when it seemed likely the NSDAP would get into government.


Gravatari never said he was a nazi. chimp yes. simian yes. and fascist most definately.
Now if grew a mustache, then i would call him a nazi.


Just because they don't wear swastikas doesn't mean they haven't been reading Mein Kampf.


GravatarDarn librul media! Rattling all those old skulls & bones...


GravatarWasn't a lot of this stuff rattling around as far back as Bush I?


Gravataragreed, Bush wouldn't be responsible even if he was Hitler's son.
What bothers me, really, is how Bush has constanty played the " Family makes me so strong " "oh what a fine legacy I have" card.


GravatarBram, Yes. But, this even hit CNN's news crawl last night. What the hell is going on. I don't get this. This doesn't fit into any of the meta-narratives. Notice the article in question nominalizes Prescott's role.

But why even bring it up?


GravatarGosh! the media are really on top of things. Next you'll read about E. Pachelli handing over sacks of cash to the Nazis in th e20s.

There must be a grave yard for buried stories, anyone know where it is? I mean, I've only been reading about Prescott and his German penpals for several years now. Guess that's the benefit of being so connected. Eat your hearts out Washington Press Corps.


GravatarWasn't it both Bush grandfathers who were in with the Nazis? Battleaxe Babs has always had that Frau Blucher (horses neighing) aura.


GravatarThe NH Gazette is the fine paper that owns the chickenhawks page.

http://nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html

And while we're dragging gramps out of the closet, can we talk about his involvement in the "Sterilization Project", too?


GravatarFritz didn't realise that the Nazis were bad news until 1938? Give me a break.

I thought the record was unclear about what the Bushes got up to post-Fritz, for example, some connection to Silesia 1942? Look at David Neiwert's (up there) blog Orcinus for more info.

Does anyone know if the contributions made by US citizens to the Nazis from say 1920s-1940s have been totted up (incl Ford's $50,000 birthday present to Adolf)?


GravatarAh, went to look at the New Hampshire Gazette (thanks for the link, cynicalgirl), and Mr Buchanan has got it in there:

In November [1942], Congress seized the Nazi interests in Silesian-American Corporation, which allegedly profited from slave labor at Auschwitz via a partnership with I G Farben, Hitler's third major industrial patron and partner in the infrastructure of the Third Reich.

This is 1942, people. Most of Europe has already been at war with Adolf for THREE YEARS.

There's more:

The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans shipped valuable US assets, including gold, coal, steel and US Treasury and war bonds, to their foreign clients overseas as Hitler geared up for his 1939 invasion of Poland, the event that sparked World War II.

And more:

Since then, the information has not appeared in any US news coverage of any Bush political campaign, nor has it been included in any of the major Bush family biographies.

And since I've seen Hitler defended on supposedly liberal threads because he was a self-made made man, got to salute his tremendous drive &c &c, how much does this suprise me? Not at all.

Ok conspiracy theory is the lowest form of analysis, but for God's sake, we've now got Arnold, Rove and the Bush clan, and Richard Perle is taking former associates of Lyndon LaRouche to brief the DoD. Wake up, America.


Gravatar"Newsweek U.S. correspondent Michael Isikoff, famous for his reporting of big scoops during the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual affair of the 1990s, declined twice to accept an exclusive story based on the documents from the archives"

I find it ironic that Spikey didn't think this story was relevent. No stained dress? Who cares?


GravatarWhy is this news?

Perhaps this isn't directed towards the general public at all, but instead for the sole pleasure of the Straussians.

One would think that they already had this info, but after recent events it becomes clear that thorough research isn't exactly their strong point.

I find it rather amusing that once again, when Bush leaves the country, the media talks behind his back. It also makes me wonder why they don't do any 'breaking news' of this sort when he is in the country. Are they physically afraid of him or something?

Very weird.

I can't imagine this story gaining any type of foothold, but whodathunkit about the Laci Peterson case, either? In this MacCarthyesque, you're either with us or against us atmosphere, it would be quite fitting to see the gossip dog biting at Bush's ass for awhile. Nazi ties. Hehe.


GravatarIs it just me or is the Bush Media Dam leaking a little worse every day now?


GravatarI am shocked - shocked! - to find there are Nazis in this establishment.


GravatarI've got a lot more details here.

This includes a link to the infamous "Vesting Order 248" which seized "All of the Capital Stock of Union Banking Corporation."


GravatarMaybe the media knives are coming out for GWB. I also think the Ahnold-Nazi stuff, and GWB's photo-op with him this week, may have propelled this. Anyway, it is good that the nation be told.
Prescott's father-in-law, Herbert Walker (HW), brought him into the bank. I've heard nothing about Babs's family. Anyone interested in this story, and getting it right, should really read David Neiwert at Orcinus (he's upthread).
I seems incumbent upon everyone to remember Joseph Kennedy, 1938-1940, here.
I have a friend who runs the Jewish paper in Indianapolis. She wanted to run this story but was anxious. I'm sending her this post. Thanks.


GravatarHesiod, I'll see if you have evidence of the Auschwitz story. GHWB and GWB both visited.


GravatarThe real significance of this is the connection of the Bush family to that of Averill Harriman and his team of co-conspirators, the Dulles brothers, who were the legal counsel for Brown, et. al. Prescott was Harriman's hired hand. Harriman did business for decades with the USSR. He was the first ambassador to communist China. He was involved in getting us into the Viet Nam War. One of his lawyers founded the CIA. G HW Bush was able to use his fathers contacts with Russia to great purpose during his presidency. Come on people. Wake the fuck up!!!


GravatarSo Fritz Thyssen actually broke with Hitler, while Grandpa Bush kept sending money and support over for another four years, only stopping when the gubmint stopped him?

I've gotta wonder what he taught his kids, and what his kids passed along to their grandkids.

That said, I think the "sins of the fathers" saying is appropriate and correct. At most, this may provide a lot of insight into how the Bush family and its friends became so powerful. If it turns out those Nazi connections still operate today, then you can pin this on Dubya. Otherwise, he only benefitted a lot from what his forefathers did--make nice with mass-murderers. Not exactly a good thing by a long shot, but I think Dubya can screw up quite enough on his own.

That said, this should be reported far and wide, if only to further expose the complicity of American capitalists in the rise of the Nazi regime.


GravatarWait 'til the media find out that
they killed Lincoln. All hell is
going to break loose.


Gravatarits gonna be interesting to see what stories hit while BUSH™ is overseas.


Gravatarhe only benefitted a lot from what his forefathers did--make nice with mass-murderers.

Seems the apple really doesn't fall far from the tree, especially in the Bush orchard. Both 41 and 43 have been openly gladhanding mass murderers ("So nice to see you again, Mr. Bin Laden!")

This needs more play in the mainstream media. something to the effect of: Nazis in the family+family values=Bad news for America.


GravatarI hope John Buchanan does with all of the documents he's uncovered what Marty Held did with Bush's military personnel file.

Publish them, online, as hotlinks.

In fact, I recommend he set up (or someone set up for him) a website to do just that.

Maybe Spikey Issikof will actually pay attention this time.


GravatarWhy is this news?

Speaking as a journalist, a reporter who doesn't know history stumbled across this and said, "Wow! I got a scoop!" It's fairly standard to do a one-off when a document is de-classified. If the Bushes knew what was in there, they probably would have tried to stop it, as they did the Bush Sr. papers. Coming out of the 50-year vault of the National Archives, it snuck by them. I don't think this is news. Many readers here were aware of it. But Susie Creamcheese in Missouri never heard of it, and to her it's just that liberal media piling up again. This kind of stuff makes for good book-reading or History Channel-watching (or even Frontline spots), but for the AP to jump on it, even if it has a legitimate news hook like a document release, you can't really prevent it from looking like the LA Times' Gropenfuhrer "scoop." It doesn't say "W's a nazi", but it raises the question on the right, that, "If not, why run the story?" While the news purpose may be legit, the rhetorical purpose isn't.

As I think Tom Tommorow mentioned the other day, if you have to bring the nazis in, you've lost your argument. The wingnuts will certainly chime in with "Joe Kennedy was no angel" stuff in response. It's a pity.


GravatarSince we happen to be digging up dirt on Grampy Prescott, there's a connection somewhere here, I just know it....

http://againsttheirwill.journalnow.com/


GravatarRead David Neiwert's 4-part posting carefully.

Then go try to figure out why articles by writer John Buchanan, with his alledged 33 years of experience, don't show up in google or any other searches (except for this article).

Frankly, folks, this "news" is of the same ilk of Rove=Roverer disinformation that Al Martin spread as the Plame story broke. (Read Chip Berlet's CJR article "Big Stories, Spooky Sources" to get a little perspective.)

There's a core of truth here, but it's getting spun into a corknut smear. Meanwhile, the RNC and state GOP affiliates have been launching inculation campaigns warning loyalists of outlandish anti-Bush smear campaigns.

How about keeping partisan discussions grounded in the many ways in which this administration fails to meet the needs of ordinary Americans?

Mr. Neiwert's points about the significance of historical amnesia are right on, but don't make for talking points in electoral campaigns. They're more suited for grassroots organizing and training, media criticism,and education.

The simplistic "Bush=Hitler" meme will work about as well as the anti-Arnold stories did. Don't take the bait.

If this sort of thing blithers on, it will obscure the fine work done by Franken, Conason, Alterman, etc. All criticisms of Bush will end up being tossed like so much junk mail


GravatarI don't agree, Spike. The Bush administration used the "We had to stand up to Hitler" line to justify going into Iraq to get the putative Hitler de nos jours, Saddam Hussein.

If it becomes widely know that BushCo and their associates have historic ties w/ and MADE MONEY off the back of the Nazi war machine, then I think it does put a bit of a spanner in the ahistorical bullshit they spout about the current "bad guys", conveniently forgetting US backing for Saddam in 1970s, 1980s and in the Iran-Iraq war. It's a pattern.

You can call it realpolitik if you like, but I think for most people, it's a bit beyond that.

Until the American people, with their pitiful knowledge of US foreign policy and the activities of the US ruling class, wake up to the effects that those class interests have on them, let alone the poor bloody foreigners also on the (slightly sharper) receiving end, then we are all in for a rocky ride.

This is kind of like Rush "no mercy for junkies" suddenly revealed as um, a junkie. It hurts the GOP base, confuses them no end. Breaking down those smug fundi platitudes is a lifetime's work, no doubt, but gotta use what we got.


GravatarHe owned one share? Is that it? Was he senior management?


GravatarAlso, David Neiwert is too soft on this stuff. I'm prepared to convict on circumstantial evidence given the seriousness of the charges.


GravatarI said, Jenna/Barbara/Noelle are evidence of a continual degradation in the Bush gene pool.

Steve said,

Yeah, but with their records, they won't be running for anything.

I say: man, I hope not, but you can't rule it out because of some "youthful indiscretions" that (in the case of Jenna and Barbara) actually occured during their youth. GWBush/Cheney, after all, have five arrests between them! These days it wouldn't surprise me if Charles Manson were a viable candidate for a Senate seat (you know, proven record of accomplishment, loyal support base, leadership skills, etc.). Fair warning, voters of 2036!


GravatarIf it becomes widely know that BushCo and their associates have historic ties w/ and MADE MONEY off the back of the Nazi war machine, then I think it does put a bit of a spanner in the ahistorical bullshit they spout about the current "bad guys", conveniently forgetting US backing for Saddam in 1970s, 1980s and in the Iran-Iraq war. It's a pattern.

I agree, though I think the "made money off the Nazi war machine" line should be replaced by "they bankrolled the Nazi regime with gold and cash." "Making money" is always a positive virtue with our ruling class. Giving Nazis the wherewithal to kill Americans isn't.


GravatarOops, sorry about the bold.


GravatarI note that Skull & Bones have already made it here to muddy the waters. This sort of thing (quoted on subgenius.com):

"Harriman was also a business partner of Prescott Bush, Sr, the
father of Maoist enthusiast George Bush.


When in doubt, follow the money. So exactly how much did BushCo make out its Union Banking Corp. activities in 1920s-1940s?


GravatarI'm going to shut up after this, but I just wanted to say that Harriman = friend of the USSR and the PRC is about convincing as Negroponte = signatory to the intl declaration of human rts.


Gravatarskull & bones is fair game.

yale = plutocracy

it's not art bell shit.


Gravataryes, yes. Bush is not a Nazi.... and Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia, or is it Eurasia?

I'd be more concerned about how Dubya feels about the Nazis.... check this pic out...
http://www.salon.com/comics/lay/...lay/ index1.html

..you have to go thru salon's ad to see it, but look at the last frame for my point.
TP


GravatarI keep being amazed by how many words can be written, with so little signification.

1. The Prescott Bush scandal *is* relevant today, because:
a) it is an example of how the media have suppressed information relevant to decision-making in a democracy. Maybe you believe that it's not relevant to GW Bush. It *certainly* would have been relevant in Prescott Bush's Senate campaigns.
b) The Bush family, including GW, maintains ties to anti-democratic figures through organizations such as the WACL. The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, from whom Poppy Bush has accepted hundreds of thousands in speaking fees, is a key contact point. GW has hired anti-democratic figures such as Otto Reich and John Poindexter and has some direct contact to neo-Confederate groups. The neo-conservative movement, which is apparently running the White House, can also be regarded as anti-democratic in nature.

2. Prescott Bush's Nazi holdings were substantial. One share may not sound like a lot, but when the Eisenhower Administration unblocked the account, it netted Prescott well over a million dollars. In today's dollars, that's between 5 and 10 million, and remember-- the Nazis *lost* the war. Furthermore, Prescott Bush was the active manager of those holdings, and he did not sell them when the war started. He was only stopped by an indictment for trading with the enemy.

3. Thyssen was no saint. The Nazis may have punished him for his apostasy, but they didn't seize his holdings. After the war, he seems to have gotten all his money back.

4. Bush family involvement was not limited to Prescott. One can dismiss Prescott Bush's actions as cynical opportunism, but his father-in-law's actions with the Hamburg-America line appear to have involved direct promotion of Nazism.

David Neiwert's piece is the best-written piece on the Web on the Bush-Nazi connection. He is extremely careful not to jump to conclusions. As should we be in writing to newspapers about the topic. However, it *is* fair to ask whether Prescott Bush was ideologically committed and not merely a cynical opportunist. After all, the ties of GHW Bush with Old Nazis, Moon- and WACL-style fascists, and modern anti-Semites like Fred Malek *could* represent a familial attachment to extremism. The question deserves to be asked.


The prime talking point should be, "This is important information about the family of a public figure. Why have we been denied it, and why aren't newspapers looking to see what else is in the Bush family closet?"

And "Bush = Nazi" is not a sensible way to make that talking point.


GravatarI keep being amazed by how many words can be written, with so little signification.

1. The Prescott Bush scandal *is* relevant today, because:
a) it is an example of how the media have suppressed information relevant to decision-making in a democracy. Maybe you believe that it's not relevant to GW Bush. It *certainly* would have been relevant in Prescott Bush's Senate campaigns.
b) The Bush family, including GW, maintains ties to anti-democratic figures through organizations such as the WACL. The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, from whom Poppy Bush has accepted hundreds of thousands in speaking fees, is a key contact point. GW has hired anti-democratic figures such as Otto Reich and John Poindexter and has some direct contact to neo-Confederate groups. The neo-conservative movement, which is apparently running the White House, can also be regarded as anti-democratic in nature.

2. Prescott Bush's Nazi holdings were substantial. One share may not sound like a lot, but when the Eisenhower Administration unblocked the account, it netted Prescott well over a million dollars. In today's dollars, that's between 5 and 10 million, and remember-- the Nazis *lost* the war. Furthermore, Prescott Bush was the active manager of those holdings, and he did not sell them when the war started. He was only stopped by an indictment for trading with the enemy.

3. Thyssen was no saint. The Nazis may have punished him for his apostasy, but they didn't seize his holdings. After the war, he seems to have gotten all his money back.

4. Bush family involvement was not limited to Prescott. One can dismiss Prescott Bush's actions as cynical opportunism, but his father-in-law's actions with the Hamburg-America line appear to have involved direct promotion of Nazism.

David Neiwert's piece is the best-written piece on the Web on the Bush-Nazi connection. He is extremely careful not to jump to conclusions. As should we be in writing to newspapers about the topic. However, it *is* fair to ask whether Prescott Bush was ideologically committed and not merely a cynical opportunist. After all, the ties of GHW Bush with Old Nazis, Moon- and WACL-style fascists, and modern anti-Semites like Fred Malek *could* represent a familial attachment to extremism. The question deserves to be asked.


The prime talking point should be, "This is important information about the family of a public figure. Why have we been denied it, and why aren't newspapers looking to see what else is in the Bush family closet?"

And "Bush = Nazi" is not a sensible way to make that talking point.


GravatarThere's a stellar piece on disinfo.org about the Bush-Nazi-Moonie connection.

In fact... js, did you refer to that piece heavily while writing your post? It's ok to admit it, it's good info to draw from.

Who ever said the US didn't have royalty or aristocracy?


GravatarI could be wrong (hope not), but I basically see the resurgence of the story as symptomatic of the end of the Bush/media lovefest .. as aWol has clearly, very recently, expressed contempt for the feeding hand. Which gathers more weight, fealty to BushCo or professional egotism?
What this means for the dual sponsorship of both media & BushCo, none can say.


GravatarDamn I had'ent relized I had clicked over to hate_Bush_for_any_stupid_reason.org

My mistake, have a good day boys.

Derek


GravatarMark Bialkowski asks whether I cribbed my comments on the Bush-Nazi-Moon connection from disinfo.org.

No, actually. I have been following the larger story, of how extremism has taken hold of the Republican Party, since 1995. Didn't even run into disinfo.org until a couple of years ago. The conspiracist flavor to the site deterred me; I may take another look at it.


Gravatari never liked the monkey house at the zoo.


GravatarThe Bush-Hitler thing is a good way to practice learning ugly truth in a responsible way. Most of what we learn can't just be blathered all over, in our present situation the table is tilted and people who point out the Bush-Nazi connection simply look like Wobblies. OTOH, we live in a basically fascistic society and that won't change unless we do something about it.


GravatarBLAME BILL CLINTON!! ITS HIS FAULT THEM DOCUMENTS WUZZ DECLASSIFIED!!

SEE= NARA- INTELEGINCE ARTHURZATION ACT- INTERAGINCY WORKIN GROOP

ALSO= WHAT CLINTON DONE ON DEC 27-2000!!


PS= IN FAIRNESS TO GRANDPOPPY BUSH- HE DIDUNT BANKROLL THEM NAZIS CAUSE HE LIKED HITLUR.
HE DONE IT CAUSE HE WUZZ GREEDY.



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