I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
With the assistance of Mike of uberdude, I've managed to put up a "Plame Affair Clock" counting off the days, hours, minutes, since the original leak: days, hours, and minutes during which Dubya could have solved all of this in five minutes. Just to remind ourselves that every minute that goes by de facto becomes part of the coverup.
Sigh, it's too early on a Saturday morning and I'm barely into my first cup of coffee:
Uberdude
and
Plame Affair Clock
From Cup O' Joe:
Blogging The Watchmen
Never mind the Plame affair. Never mind the lies about the war with Iraq. No, that's not important. Look, Ahhnold is Guvnah! Isn't that a much better story? Never mind this Nazi stuff...nothing to see here...move along, move along!
The press is intentionally letting this story die, and it's up to us to keep it going...
plame who?
Our TV twerps were touting the passage of the Iraq reconstruction budget as a W "win." We haven't seen the final product yet, so who knows? Removing Crisco John from the picture will go a long way toward resolving the Plame affair.
Don't ask, don't know
10/18/2003
http://www.boston.com/news/globe..._ask_dont_know/
AT A TIME when President Bush ought to be doing everything he can to show that he is an engaged commander in chief, he is acting as though there is nothing he can or should do to discover and punish the officials who leaked to columnist Robert Novak the identity of the CIA's Valerie Plame Wilson. Bush's passivity in response to a political dirty trick that harms US intelligence operations and demoralizes intelligence officers is an abdication of responsibility.
Bush has left the work of locating the leakers to the Justice Department and the FBI, while he plays the role of a detached observer. This stance makes him look like a weak leader presiding over a band of unruly subordinates who feud with each other, betraying patriotic Americans like Ms. Wilson, with no fear of being brought to hand by the president.
If he wished to do so, Bush could summon the likely suspects from the vice president's office, the Pentagon, and the National Security Council to the Oval Office and tell them that, as their president, he is ordering the officials who gave away Valerie Plame's cover to confess their role and resign.
"The president has put this behind him. He is leading the country." Recycled history. Nixon anyone?
One important difference ... the media. Uninterested in the truth and unwilling to present it, they participate in the deceptions. So, who is patriotic?
What you idiots don't realize is the continuous indirect insults you hurl at the people who support the President Of The United States, and the US Armed Forces. You have not single soul among of equal virtue, and you did not get thier guns.
Think about it
"The president has put this behind him. He is leading the country."
That's going to be hard when according to ABC's latest poll:
More than eight in 10 continue to see the alleged White House leak of a CIA operative's identity as a "serious matter," and the number who think the administration is fully cooperating in the investigation has declined to 39 percent. About two-thirds still favor appointment of an outside special counsel to look into the matter.
You have not single soul among of equal virtue
To borrow from Senator Byrd yesterday (see my blog):
I defy that statement, and I hurl it back into the teeth of the Brain-Farting Ovum. Fie on your guns! Fie on them!
Nah, this story isn't dying. It's simmering, and the heat is being turned up slowly. I really believe that the CIA is not going to let it go. Ignoring it hardly helps Bush, because the seeds of doubt about the illegality have been planted. We ALL want to know the truth.
With the State Dept. fighting with the DoD, allegiance is diverted from Bush. I wonder how many in his administration are feeling less loyal? It cerainly looks like some are (the leak story, e.g.)
One rebel, Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine, said: "It was very difficult to stop this train because it made so much sense."
Maybe the first latte hasn't kicked in, but what does that mean?
Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
Most of the mainstream media now belongs to the overclass and can not be expected to critique the rich farts who run the game. Nor to do the right thing re. Valerie Plame.
Thank goddess for the internet.....
Look!
Madonna is kissing Laura Bush's hand!!!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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John Kenneth Galbraith
... and we all know about the vows of poverty that Mr Galbraith took.
that Galbraith -- he was great at coming up with ideas for using other people's money.
please, please, please, buy me a new laptop.
--atrios
Anony, you want a new laptop, too?
While you're at it, buy me a new monitor, too...so I can do the radio show and read off the net at the same time.
Shameless Plug
sure, pie: i want a butler and trip to spain. i need everything -- the world owes me: i tell it to myself, and i agree.
-- vince furnier
Here's a little Spanish for you:
ˇMétetelo por el culo!
Liberal Media? You be the judge:
NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/1...ast/
18COST.html
THE OCCUPATION
Lawmakers Back Request by Bush on Funds for Iraq
Published: October 18, 2003
WASHINGTON, Oct. 17 — Congress voted overwhelmingly on Friday in favor of President Bush's request for $87 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan, handing him a solid mandate for the continued occupation and reconstruction of Iraq.
There were a few scattered rebellions. Both chambers trimmed nearly $2 billion in reconstruction projects they considered excessive, and the Senate voted to require Iraq to repay up to $10 billion in aid.
Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/
S...1065804,00.html
Bush rocked by Senate rebellion on Iraq
Republicans urge president to get a grip as funding revolt further undermines his authority
A Republican rebellion in the Senate against White House plans for rebuilding Iraq raised questions yesterday about President George Bush's authority in Washington as he struggles to maintain control of a divided administration.
f&b dm
No, they can't make this one go away. They can't spin/lie their way out of treason. Plus, we have a Deep Throat in the White House. Karma, I tell ya...
I don't think this story is going away; it can't just explode every single day. But I think it's a long way from over.
By the way, ovum, my insults hurled at the POTUS are not indirect at all; au contraire, they are very direct. He is a completely spoiled little rich slacker with no brains and no conscience and no business being president of the world's largest democracy. He is the WORST PRESIDENT EVER.
if you haven't had a chance, there is still time to write some letters, nothing is better for convincing the news media this ain't going away:
to ask the parent company of the Chicago Sun Times to drop Novak write to:
Mr. Conrad Black
CEO
Hollinger
401 N. Wasbash Ave., #740
Chicago Il 60611
to ask Novak's syndicate to drop him send email to
info@creators.com
to ask CNN to drop him write to
Mr. Richard Parsons
President
Time Warner
75 Rockefeller Plaza
NY NY 10019
to ask the Washington Post to drop Novak send email to
ombudsman@washpost.com
to tell Microsoft that Chris Matthews must reveal the names of the leakers if he knows them, and to do otherwise is inconsistent with Microsoft's stated committment to security send email to
billg@microsoft.com (of course he doesn't read it, but somebody does)
to tell General Electric that Andrea Mitchell's and Chris Matthews' refusal to name the leakers is a betrayal of every GE defense worker with a security clearence, use this handy form
https://www.ge.com/ge/feedback.htm
While we're writing letters, let's tell our representatives that we're tired of being lied to and they need to start demanding the truth. I sent my freeper rep a list of lies and told him that we don't believe anything they say anymore.
"A Republican rebellion in the Senate against White House plans for rebuilding Iraq raised questions yesterday about President George Bush's authority"
But... but... I thought he scared them all with his laser-like eyes and stuff!
love the idea of a "Republican rebellion." Any chance we are going to be able to sit on the sidelines and watch the Republicans kill each other off? I'd sure start sleeping better at night.
sure, pie: i want a butler and trip to spain. i need everything -- the world owes me: i tell it to myself, and i agree.
-- vince furnier
Vince, can you give us a few choruses of "The Ballad of Dwight Frye"?
Italics off. Sorry.
Julian Borger is one of those reporters who probably knows who the Plame leaker is and isn't telling us
Atriot, I love ya, big guy, but I've got a strong hunch that if the White House wanted to leak the name of a covert CIA operative, it wouldn't be to the Guardian. If Borger picked up a name somewhere else it's just hearsay, which would be inappropriate -- and almost certainly libelous under British law -- to print.
"A Republican rebellion in the Senate against White House plans for rebuilding Iraq raised questions yesterday about President George Bush's authority"
But... but... I thought he scared them all with his laser-like eyes and stuff!
Before long we'll be hearing about how he finds their lack of faith disturbing.
In the debate about the 87 billion for Shrub's friends why do the Republicans believe throwing money at the problem will make it better? What do we or Iraq have to show for the first $100 billion?
One rebel, Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine, said: "It was very difficult to stop this train because it made so much sense."
Maybe the first latte hasn't kicked in, but what does that mean?
Alan
Maybe I can help. Olympia Snowe is a Republican Senator from Maine, a moderate to liberal state with a good chunk of the most backward and reactionary type of throw backs thrown in. She depends on that reactionary chunk but can't be elected if she doesn't get a lot of the mod-liberal voters. Luckily for her, and Susan Collins, they are treated like Queens by our media -just about all owned by Republicans - but she's always got to have her ear out for things that will upset the mod-liberals.
Maine also has a very variable job market, lots of unemployment is the natural state of affairs here. On this issue she realizes that a revolt against the staggering cost of the Iraq invasion won't play well with the jobs picture loking so bad. So she makes this token gesture. Don't look for her to go against Bush though, she won't be asked to Walker's Point if she does that.
Babs might even give her one of her filthy looks.
Some day I might get a chance to go into her relationship with the Decosta family and what happens to records in the DEP. Moderate in name only.
One rebel, Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine, said: "It was very difficult to stop this train because it made so much sense."
Maybe the first latte hasn't kicked in, but what does that mean?
Alan
Maybe I can help. Olympia Snowe is a Republican Senator from Maine, a moderate to liberal state with a good chunk of the most backward and reactionary type of throw backs thrown in. She depends on that reactionary chunk but can't be elected if she doesn't get a lot of the mod-liberal voters. Luckily for her, and Susan Collins, they are treated like Queens by our media -just about all owned by Republicans - but she's always got to have her ear out for things that will upset the mod-liberals.
Maine also has a very variable job market, lots of unemployment is the natural state of affairs here. On this issue she realizes that a revolt against the staggering cost of the Iraq invasion is a possiblity. It won't play well with the jobs picture looking so bad. So she makes this token gesture. Don't look for her to go against Bush though, she won't be asked to Walker's Point if she does that.
Babs might even give her one of her filthy looks.
Some day I might get a chance to go into her relationship with the Decosta family and what happens to records in the DEP. Moderate in name only.
The Impotent Senators knew the Iraq invasion was crap; and they know it is crap. They love being in the loop; all those secrets and the haughty pride of being top dogs.
Kerry has lost all credibility. Coming into the race to trumpet his weak national persona...Mr. Long Face. Why the Muck doesn't he actually DO something with the job he has now? He and that Connecticut Ape-shit ought to drown themselves in the draining tub of our finances.
Plame's noc status was part of a non-proliferation network.
The counter-proliferationists not only got rid of Plame but her entire non-proliferationist network.
Now, who is the Bush Reich's counter-proliferation go-to man again?
Hmm.
I agree with EPT about Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins. They are both a lot more conservative than their reputations. The only reason they speak or act in a "moderate" manner is because they are afraid of offending left-leaning voters in Southern Maine. A pliant Maine media helps. It's a wonder Susan Collins can even sit down with the Portland Press Herald's nose buried so deep up her butt.
Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson of the DC Appeals Court ruled this week that the reporters who got leaks in the Wen Ho Lee case have to reveal their sources or face contempt charges.
George Tenet is smiling. Karl Rove is buying industrial strength Imodium.
-this could just be a throwaway line-
it would be perfect for something the Americans have "thrown out" of the papers due it's partisan irrelevancy. attack-Democrats Wilson&wife had their 15 of fame - though they are desperatety trying to make even more $$$$ on their scam with book&movie deals. At any rate, the Democrats barrage of attacks by Wilson/wife (aka "The Incompetent Dem Duo") are greeted with massive yawns by the Americans, LOL.
the Democrats barrage of attacks by Wilson/wife (aka "The Incompetent Dem Duo") are greeted with massive yawns by the Americans, LOL.
That's interesting, addled egg, given the latest ABC New poll:
More than eight in 10 continue to see the alleged White House leak of a CIA operative's identity as a "serious matter," and the number who think the administration is fully cooperating in the investigation has declined to 39 percent. About two-thirds still favor appointment of an outside special counsel to look into the matter.
But you go ahead and believe what you want, if it helps you sleep in the nest under your mother hen.
egg - I just realized that I already posted the ABC poll on this thread. I'm beginning to wonder whether you can read...
eggy conveniently ignores news that weakens his position.
Of course, for many months, his position has steadily weakened.
And he hasn't seen anything yet.
oh, baby.
eggy conveniently ignores news that weakens his position.
Understandable. His position was weak to begin with, and has only gotten worse.
Understandable. His position was weak to begin with, and has only gotten worse.
NTodd
Dare I say "rotten"?
And when, oh when, will the Right realize that continuing to insult the Wilsons will not affect the scandal?
It's the C-fucking-IA that's making the accusation.
what did the presdent know and WHEN did he know it?
I believe that the agency is more properly called the CI-fucking-A.
Who knows what those guys are really up to or what their agenda is in the Wilson/Plame Affair? They might already have achieved their ends and have now struck a deal to let the matter die. I am sure some one from the White House, probably Rove, made the call and asked "What will it take to call off the dogs?" The answer was given, the deal was struck. The story is going to die.
Anyone see Greg Thielman on 60 Minutes II last wednesday? He was also on the Frontline piece tracking detailing all the lies...
I think the CIA has had it with being blamed for the Chimps fuck-ups and they may want this to play out for a while...
I've always wondered why Bush didn't sack Tenet after 9/11. He is the only Clinton appointee left i beleive and it's always struck me as odd that Bush would want him around....hmmmm
While we're back to wondering about leaks, any guesses as to who leaked the President's order not to leak anymore? I've had these questions about it:
a) did he give the reporter that exact line? (If I see the words "said a senior administrative aide" there will be consequences). Because if so, we've got a stealth comedian in the White House and maybe we can turn that to our advantage.
b) is this the same person who leaked the Plame story? It seems like it draws more attention to the hypocrisy of Bush's position, but if I wanted to leak a leak to point out Bush's position on leaks, I'd do it to the WaPo again.
Anyway, any speculations about who this leaker is?
Anyway, any speculations about who this leaker is? - emptywheel
NSC's Counterproliferation expert Dr. Robert G. Joseph
Otherwise known as Mr. 16 Words.
Gee, what was the repercussion for that?
NSC got control of the Iraq Stabilization Group.
(Look at Steven Hadley to be SAO #2.)
By and by, one or more of Plame's contacts will be arrested a/o tortured a/o assassinated by some foreign country, and elements there, or within the CIA, will be sure the Guardian, at least, knows about it. This story won't go away for a good long while.
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