HULK SMASH!!!
From the Washington Post story on today's demonstration at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...-
2003Oct23.html
"Kristinn Taylor said he is helping to organize a counter-demonstration to let protesters know that "their anti-American message is not going to go unanswered, like it was during Vietnam." Taylor, 41, co-leader of the D.C. chapter of Free Republic, said 1,000 people are expected for a rally at 11 a.m. at the West Front of the Capitol to show support for U.S. troops and protest tyrannical regimes. At 2 p.m., they plan on being at Pershing Park on Pennsylvania Avenue NW to greet marchers, though they are not looking to start trouble, he said."
(Now is it just me or is there something wrong with this picture. No one was against the anti-war movement in Vietnam? WTF?)
Dana Blankenhorn sez: "(Now is it just me or is there something wrong with this picture. No one was against the anti-war movement in Vietnam? WTF?)"
You shouldn't expect the Bush idolators to have any sense of history. Hell, knowledge of history disqualifies you from most Bush cabinet positions...
Wow, for some reason I always got the impression that people like Fat Mike and Ben Weasel were Republican-ish or at least apolitical (see "The Cause" by NOFX). Good to see I was wrong.
I remember hearing NOFX's singer saying something like "it's time for music to get political again..."
Ugh. You know the news coverage is going to be "two rallies were held in Washington today with supporters of President Bush taking the streets to oppose a group of vocal dissidents."
That way it's fair and balanced.
The Dixie Chicks did say that only rockers supported them during the shit storm over their "anti-Bush" remarks.
OT: Just tortured Lou Dobbs with an e-mail about the Loftus assertions regarding Groovy Grover.
Oddly enough, Anonymous, Ben Weasel now has his own blog: http://weaselmanor.blogspot.com
Seems to be mostly about hockey and baseball, though, not a lot of politics.
I was disappointed to find that Mr. T Experience singer Dr. Frank (http://www.doktorfrank.com/) is a DLC Democrat, though...
Love the animation fo the three Bush heads singing "I'm an asshole".
...1000 people are expected for the rally...
Ooooh, 1000 people? Truly, Bush has a tidal wave of popular support!
A whole 1000? That explains Bush's poll numbers....
Love the animation fo the three Bush heads singing "I'm an asshole".
That was the best, although the cheerleader picture always makes me smile.
Who woulda thunk it...
The "1000" counter-protestors from the right thing really does make me giggle.
Reminds me of last March, when a co-worker of mine -- Notre Dame grad, Republican -- was all pissed off that antiwar protestors had closed down Lake Shore Drive (actually, the Chicago PD had pretty much steered them over there to corral them and then spring mass arrests on the crowd). This co-worker actually said "Didn't it piss you off to see all those cars stuck in traffic?" And I was all "So it makes you, a Catholic, angry that there are people who want peace, and aren't afraid to demonstrate this?"
It really pisses off all the Republicans I know when I point out that their response to politics is to send money, while our response is to actually get off our asses and do something. 'Cuz they know it's true.
Any bets as to whether Kristinn Taylor comes close to getting 1000 peeps out there? For more than three hours? I mean, it's prime college football watching weather today. (Please note that this does not imply that ALL college football fans are Rethuglicans.)
oh, that Kristinn. You know going through life with that name must have been hard...
Oddly enough, Anonymous, Ben Weasel now has his own blog: http://weaselmanor.blogspot.com
Seems to be mostly about hockey and baseball, though, not a lot of politics.
I was disappointed to find that Mr. T Experience singer Dr. Frank (http://www.doktorfrank.com/) is a DLC Democrat, though...
Yeah, since I (inexplicably, now that I think about it) brought Ben Weasel up in this thread I googled him and found that. Little blurbs on the Wilson/Plame scandal and Rush Limbaugh indicate that there's a liberal lurking within, but it's mostly just typical BW fare. I like the guy, though, in the same way I like my grumpy uncle who complains about traffic and dogs all of the time.
Is the guy who posts as DrFrank (or DrFrankLives?) here and on Kos the same as the MTX Dr. Frank? Probably not....
whoops end italics, I command thee
Well, I'll be humming that song all day... It's great to hear political pop coming back and taking on the Resident. Of course, it's no thanks to the Dems.
The total failure to capitalize on pop culture, as something pertaining to "liberalism", is one of the big mysteries of the American left. How on earth could we not have grokked the entire connection between art and politics that was the 60's? That was some heady shit. Mind you, it wasn't always about overt ideology, but come on, man--the Doors were not about "conservatism", you know what I'm sayin?
Somewhere along the line, it went horribly wrong. We lost our faith in self-actualization and the Pursuit of Happiness, and all that remained was the Mommy State. Remember the god-awful anti-rap hearings by Tipper? What a fucking embarrassment. (Perhaps not in intent, but certainly in tone and symbolism.) And let's not forget our favorite guy who's "just like a Republican, only more Jewish", and other DLC dorks. Boy, those people really know how to get the youth vote, eh?
I am more and more starting to see this type of thing as representative of a collective neurosis: the entire boomer generation (of which I am, barely, a part), the generation currently in power, is debilitated by it own self-loathing. The psychology really works if you think about it.
The currently rightist boomers started in the 60's and early 70's, became repulsed and frightened by "the excesses of the 60's", and converted to some form of fundamentalism. The currently leftist ones maintained their liberal stance, but deep down really believe that what they think is "wrong". Much like Sullie in his own warped "conservative" way, liberals in power seem to spend a lot of time distancing themselves from "liberal" popular culture ("I smoked but I didn't inhale"), and seem to be most concerned about getting approval from Mommy and Daddy (the more "conservative" elements of society). Either left wing Mommy Stater or right wing Fundamentalist, it's all about being afraid of personal freedom--because if one is free, one is also responsible.
Top of the pops!
Mondo dentro just mentioned Tipper. NOFX did an EP in 1987 called "The PMRC Can Suck On This". It had a, shall we say, "photo-illustration" of Tammy and Jim Bakker in S/M wear and Tammy rocking her strap-on.
Of course that was back before NOFX got good.
1,000 people are expected...
Translated from Freeperese: 20.
unfortunately the children are listening to the leading pitchmen of the fashion and entertainment industry (rock stars) first and foremost, and most of the time, what that bunch has to say is not even on the level of the quaint "idiot son of an asshole". Most of the time it is "drugs are for losers unless you are rich like me and don't burn digital copies of my CDs the bloated retail cost is what keeps me in cocaine and whores you little twerps."
youth need better role models. give it to the islamic world - their kids are political fast.
not that i think much of religious fanaticism
Hey! This isn't fair! How come it's just Rock Against Bush? I can't participate!!
So I'm announcing Bach Against Bush, classical concerts to raise money for regime change in the US. You don't have to play only Bach, naturally, and you can write stuff as well if you're a composer.
If you're a classical musician and want to participate, get in touch...
I'm surprised there's all this talk of NOFX and political stuff, and no mention of their song 'The Decline'.
Good Charlotte, Green Day, NOFX To Rock Against President Bush
Umm, Mr. President, the world's dying to know: Is it Underoos or Unionsuit?
"Idiot Son of An Asshole" is a classic. Pass the link on.
On why the tour may not be called "Rock Against Bush:
Certain colleges won't advertise it as Rock Against Bush, and a lot of radio stations won't mention the name either
Goddamn pinko politically-correct lineral commie colleges! Freaking leftist-controlled PC liberal media!
mondo dentro - I love your comments, but honestly, I think you need to lay off the armchair psychology. I'm squarely in the middle of the baby boom, more liberal now than I was when I was younger (though I've always been liberal,) and have absolutely no problem with my liberalism, no deep seated self-loathing at all. I agree with you that a whole lot of the boomers sold out, but there are still a lot of us liberal boomers out there.
( I always seem to hit the send button and then think of something else I wanted to say-)
And, mondo dentro, there are sell-outs and conflicted people in all generations. The boomers did a pretty good job in a lot of areas, and fucked up royally in a lot of ways. But since there are so many of us, it's hard to make generalizations about the whole generation.
Take that, Clearasil Channel!
Ear worms! Ear worms! Ear worms!
Good for you tena.
If I hear one more treacly smooch to the "Greatest Generation", the fine folks who brought us Thalidomide, Operation Rolling Thunder or Hamburger Helper, I think I'll puke. All over my Barcalounger. And my fuzzy pink slippers.
Mondo: keep punchin, I'm with you in spirit. (Ex-bluto)
My son showed me Idiot Son along about the beginning of the Iraq war; a pinko chip off the old block. Another piece of ear candy for those of the easy listening bent: http://bootnewt.tripod.com/imanazi.htm
a catchy tune sung in Rush Limbaugh's own voice. The Flash animation is a little explicit though.
What a great video! We really need more poli-rock. NOFX is greatbut they can't do it alone. If I were a Musician, I'd get a bunch of like minded bands together and do a Lalapalooza type fest, call it the Pinko tour. That would show those meely mouthed Cons what their kids really think!
Tena, I must concur. And we've sure raised our daughters to be independent and liberal-minded.
pie - well, that's kind of the point people forget, I think. It looks to me as if generations who came after us are increasingly more tolerant FOR THE MOST PART - not completely. But I really think that more younger people than before are more sensitive to human rights now and I know they are more tuned into the environment. I can't help but think that that is at least partly due to people our age, pie. We raised a lot of these people and they look pretty good, really.
There's been some great hip-hop against Bush too.
One of Mr. Lif's CDs. in addition to the a-little-more-liberal-and-paranoid-than-the-
Democratic-Party "Home of the Brave" ("Headline: Bush steals the presidency / He needs the backing of the media what could the remedy be?) there's this gem of a line:
"Bush! I could smell the dawn of armageddon when that dick was elected!"
Plus there's Sage Francis' 'Makeshift Patriots':
"Who's going to make that call to increase an unknown death toll? / It's the one we rally behind He's got a megaphone..and he's promising to make heads roll. / So we cheer him on, but asbestos is affecting our breath control. / The less we know...the more they fabricate...the easier it is to sell souls / An addictive 24 hour candle light vigil in TVs. / Freedom WILL be defended...at the cost of civil liberties. / We'll show you which culture to pump your fist at and what foot is right to kiss. / We don't know who the culprit is yet...but he looks like this."
mondo dentro - I love your comments, but honestly, I think you need to lay off the armchair psychology.
Tena, I appreciate your critique. It's true, generalizations are very dangerous things. But if one is interested in how things fit together in the big picture, they have to be attempted.
Like you, I personally do not identify with my own genralization. And I know many others that do not fit, either. As with all generalizations, they are often completely useless when applied to individuals--even more so when we are speaking of people we know intimately. On the other hand, generalizations are absolutely essential to "explain" things and develop a public discourse. (For example, what are "middle class" values? What is a "gay point of view"? What is "the Greatest Generation"?) A skillful politician or political consultant needs to be a very good "armchair psychologist", which is to say: they need to have a good sense of the zeitgeist.
The particular discourse I was in my own clumsy way trying to get at is this: it's time for liberals to stop apologizing for the 60's. I don't see how anyone can look at our current mainstream culture and not see that their is an absolutely massive distancing from liberal values--obviously on the right, but also on the left. And "the 60's" (not as an actual historical period, but as a myth) are a sort of paradigm for what people are running from. (For example, think of the huge number middle class women--and men--who don't self-identify as "feminist", while actually embracing feminist values.) Why is this happening? I do indeed believe that there is such a thing, however fuzzy and hard to pin down, as "group psychology". I don't think we can just write it off as some sort of "brainwashing". All of the right wing media control is just so much rain falling on fertile soil.
Yes, and we have to remember that we hear a lot more bad stories about these kids than good ones. But there are LOTS more good ones. I've lived in several different towns, and I've always found that to be the case.
All of the right wing media control is just so much rain falling on fertile soil.
Yes, your point is valid, but I will add that a liberal viewpoint falls on equally fertile soil.
Frankly, up until Bush's reign, I wasn't as concerned about what other people thought. Not any more.
I remember hearing NOFX's singer saying something like "it's time for music to get political again..."
Atrios
But will Clear Channel play these anti-Bush songs or anti-war songs? This is why there's a problem with corporate ownership of American. It's in our media and it's everywhere now even in Wal-Mart. (Did you see Bill Moyers NOW last night-you should watch this last show)
It's like Benjamin Barber said (the guy who wrote the book "McWorld v. Jihad" before 9/11) said, "Capitalism isn't too strong-democracy is too weak."
And it's why John McCain's campaign finance reform will NOT restore integrity to government unless it deals with those hard money campaign contributions - the stuff Bush gets millions of dollars for in campaign contributors.
McCain knew this full well and Sen. Feingold was truly an idiot to support this bill to began with because it isn't reform.
This pretend reform bill is NO different that redistricting by Republicans - it allows for Republican control via hard money (corporate legal bribery) and does away with what McCain is calling special interest but also gassroots donations.
Notice how McCain said that Americans wouldn't mind giving 87 Billion to Iraq for support of the troops but also supporting Hallibuton and other no-bid contract corporate businesses.
If you go to McCain's website, it says NO PORK (for the state of Arizona) but pork is just jim dandy for large corporate offices that give McCain and Republican Party lots of money.
McCain isn't who he claimed to be (a Barry Goldwater conservative) - he's a player like Bush and Carl Rove - McCain controlled the whole process of the Blue Ribbon 9/11 commission, pretending to be the friends of the survivers of 9/11's terrorist attacks - but he screwed those people and he did with intend to do it.
I'm sure McCain told Bush sometime that he couldn't stop the 9/11 commission but that he could control it so that this people could never subpeona Bush, and they never get any answers to thier questions. McCain isn't your friend and HE isn't a conservative that acts like a Democrat. McCain's the man who helped Charles Keating wipe out the savings of a lot of with retires here in Arizona and he has NO integrity at all.
pie said:
Yes, your point is valid, but I will add that a liberal viewpoint falls on equally fertile soil.
Great! Then we are in agreement. This is the entire point of what I'm trying to say. Let's not distance our self from our own message because we think it's not "acceptable" to the American public at large. Let's instead find ways to tell our stories that reach the mythical mainstream.
Frankly, up until Bush's reign, I wasn't as concerned about what other people thought.
OK, but you maybe shouldn't take a general attempt to look at a big-picture issue in such highly personal terms.
mondo dentro - I guess I shouldn't have answered your comment in quite such a personal way, really. Sorry. And your point is taken that generalizations can be useful - I use them myself frequently.
I don't know how we got to the point where liberal values have become demonized. Maybe there are people my age who think they have to apologize for the 60's, but I don't know any; really, people are nostalgic for the 60's. Something sure happened, but I tend to think it has more to do with the right hating 60's liberalism and working very very hard to stamp it out.
Tena, no apology necessary. Language is sometimes a very blunt instrument, and only dialogue can reveal whatever truth is there to be found. Thank you for yours.
OK, but you maybe shouldn't take a general attempt to look at a big-picture issue in such highly personal terms.
I didn't necessarily mean that on a personal level. I meant that I wasn't concerned in terms of right-wing thinking hurting the country as a whole. I now see this thinking worming its way into all aspects of American life and degrading each part.
Re: rockstars who should be saying "drugs are for losers unless you are rich like me and don't burn digital copies of my CDs the bloated retail cost is what keeps me in cocaine and whores you little twerps."
Just a quick FYI, though a lot of you probably already know this: the typical major label recording artist ("rock star") or band makes about $1 for each CD sold. The record companies keep a much higher percentage of the profits -- hence Prince declaring himself a "slave," and other artists trying to set up their own distribution networks....
should do a song
idiot asshole son of a succabus.
Two things no one yet has mentioned, at least on this thread:
(1) Longtime political rockers Billy Bragg, Steve Earle and Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine/Audioslave) are doing an awareness+music tour along these same lines, called "Tell Us the Truth" - so far only East Coast dates announced, but more surely to come. http://www.tellusthetruth.org/
(2) Danny Goldberg, who's been involved in the music business for thirty years as a record label owner and manager for bands like Led Zeppelin and Nirvana, has written a book called (I believe) "How the Left Lost Teen Spirit" which discusses how the Democrats blew their chance to be a galvanizing political force for youth. (I haven't actually gotten to read it yet, but Salon had some excerpts when it came out.) His site is http://www.dannygoldberg.com/.
The book is called "Dispatches from the Culture Wars," oops.
Heh, I knew about this last week. I get second-hand copies of Rolling Stone, which I read because I enjoy half-nekkid photos of Britney Spears the articles.
I don't care much for that song-and really, Bush's dad wasn't all that bad.
At least Bush Sr. realized that he had to raise taxes when people started lossing their jobs. I guess Bush junior with his "over my dead body" message must have thought his father made a BIG mistake by raising taxes and listening to the American people. Bush junior isn't going to make that mistake. Bush never listens to the American people, so give a hoot about anybody but his special insterest no bid contract campaign contributors.
Bush is going around these days with that eerie sneer plastered on his face like the joker in Batman. He lied to the American people about this war and pull it off-and he's so proud of himself.
All these innocent dead, all the money looted and a huge deficit is quite an accomplishment. Bush is quite the professional liar. Bush and Cheney got to stuff their shirts with money while hundreds of Americans came home in body bags, or without arm, legs and destroyed faces and hundreds of dead Iraqis under the pretense of liberation.
To Iraqis Bush is a butcher same as Saddam was and Bush is only after their oil and and is looting from both Americans and Iraqis as they're read the internet news too and they know Bush only protected the oil ministry and oilfields.
It nice to see this stuff in the news again:
Naming of agent 'was aimed at discrediting CIA'
Financial Times (subscription), UK - 6 hours ago
By Edward Alden in Washington. The Bush administration's exposure
of a clandestine Central Intelligence Agency operative was part ...
I suppose that campus Hitler Youth - I mean "Young Republicans" - will want to start their own concert tour in support of Dear Leader(to combat the ever-pervasive "liberal bias" on campus, of course). Featured will be two artists who really know how to speak to the youth of America - Toby Keith and Ted Nugent.
"Idiots Are Taking Over"
(c)2003 NOFX
it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer, is there an answer?
Mensa membership exceeding
tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
Watson, it's really elementary
the industrial revolution
has flipped the bitch on evolution
the benevolent and wise are being thwarted, ostracized, what a bummer
the world keeps getting dumber
insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason
darwin's rollin over in his coffin
the fittest are surviving much less often
now everything seems to be reversing, and it's worsening
someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule
and im startin to feel a lot like charlton heston
stranded on a primate planet
apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
with generals and the armies that obeyed them
followers following fables
philosophies that enable them to rule without regard
there's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
political scientists get the same one vote as some Arkansas inbred
majority rule don't work in mental institutions
sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions
what are we left with?
a nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists
who feel it's their duty to populate the homeland
pass on traditions
how to get ahead religions
And prosperity via simpleton culture
the idiots are takin over
But will Clear Channel play these anti-Bush songs or anti-war songs?
i actually run a site that is dedicated to punk rock and political news (i just skim the top of both, to keep the interested informed, i have a couple people helping me out, too.)
my answer to your query on that matter is, for most part, no clearchannel won't touch them. but you have look at the other side of the same coin, and that is, most of these bands won't touch clearchannel.
integrity is still out there. you just have to look for it. (i.e. download NOFX's Dinosaurs Will Die - a tribute to the death of the modern music industry.)
also, atrios, you might consider sticking 'the war on errorism' in with your amazon buys. there's not much better than a record with a clown-faced dubya on it.
check out the poster that came when you pre-ordered the album.
Well, golly gee, that tune was a mighty fine toe-tapper! 
It's great that pop-punk bands are doing this, but what the hell happened to the hardcore scene? The only thing that was supposed to come out of the Bush presidency was revived political hardcore. Nope, hasn't happened.
So if anyone's around Providence or Boston and wants to start a new hardcore, lemmie know. I'll be your drummer. The bandname needs to grab someone's attention and send a message, so I propose "George W. Hitler".
It's great that pop-punk bands are doing this, but what the hell happened to the hardcore scene? The only thing that was supposed to come out of the Bush presidency was revived political hardcore. Nope, hasn't happened.
So if anyone's around Providence or Boston and wants to start a new hardcore, lemmie know. I'll be your drummer. The bandname needs to grab someone's attention and send a message, so I propose "George W. Hitler".
Maybe they have to renew the video-part. This piece misses the flying-suit action figure.
There was a punk band here in Athens year before last called "George W. Bush & The Texas Death Machine". It was sorta funny...the owner of the "punk club" is a semi-closeted gay man who's also a Christian Republican. He was not amused.
And for what it's worth, the punks in Athens are pretty pathetic, in my opinion. They do a lot of yapping and complaining, then spend every night doing nothing but getting drunk as possible. Most of 'em I know don't even bother to vote, then they're amazed when the Athens-Clarke County Commission raises the liquor liscence fees for Downtown or changes the housing ordinances in such a way that'll drive up rent for non-families. Then you have the DIY "anarchists" who "refuse to be part of the system". The less said about them, the better. To me, they're libertarians without the gun fetish.
And Toby Keith has gone on record as saying he's "unsure" about Iraq because "the numbers don't add up". Take that for what you will.
My band - a straight-up rock & roll outfit with touches of country - more or less eschews politics, addressing such matters in a more Springsteen-esque way: songs about the working man, how hard it is to get by these days, etc. People don't like to be preached to, usually, but if you frame issues in a personal manner, it may make 'em think. It's why Steve Earle's always been more effective and affecting than Billy Bragg, though I like him too. It's the sensation Kris Kristofferson called "reading my mail".
From the article:
Fat Mike applauds Rock the Vote, which has long been urging youths to show up at the voting booth on election day, but he feels their nonpartisan methods are flawed. "They don't tell kids why to vote or who to vote for," he said.
Well, yes, Mike. They don't tell people who to vote for..cos then it wouldn't be a very good public service campaign would it? Rock the Vote has gotten a lot of people registered who might not have otherwise, and regardless of their voting habits that's a good thing.
"oh, that Kristinn. You know going through life with that name must have been hard...
Atrios | 10.25.03 - 10:53 am |"
Probably much the same as the teasing you enduring about growing up as a boy named "Atrios"
"their anti-American message is not going to go unanswered, like it was during Vietnam."
What the hell is this bitch smoking? She ought to be in treatment with Rush Limbaugh.
Sorry, first link broken above: Here it is:
http://www.uiowa.edu/~policult/a...m/
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Well. . . All hell. . . Geeze! Didn't feel like we actually had a movement until corperate rock got involved (sarcasum). . . Welcome abord guys. Don't touch anything.
This is all well and good, but stuff is happening on the more grassroots level as well, October 11 was the first international Bands Against Bush day of action.
http://bandsagainstbush.org
http://bandsagainstbush.com
Sorry, Cheryl, but 41 was a very very bad man. Very bad. I was there, I remember it. The dead nuns, Archbishop Romero in El Salvador? Bush 1. Theft, crime, corruption? Bush and his kids, that's why the dumbest one is president now. Jeb is in with the Cuban mob and involved with S&L and HUD scams, Neil just S&L. Pardoning everyone who can testify against you? Bush 1, baby, all the way. Organizing expatriate Nazi war criminals into useful political operatives (Ohio-so much to answer for). It gets better (worse).
All this talk of political punk/hardcore & no one's mentioned Refused? Quite possibly one of the greatest most influential groups in the modern hardcore scene.
Refused - Coup D'etat:
Staying up all night planning the downfall of your corrupted system.
What plot will I figure out and what thoughts will I pen down?
I will have my coup d'etat. I will start a riot. I will hold your burning flag in my hand.
Sitting up all night planning my revolution with a catchy phrase. A shitty
band with an awesome plan. A punk crusade throughout the land. Sick
of silence, of passive masses. Educate, resist and take control. To live
a life in fear of changing is to not live at all.
I will have my coup d'etat. I will start a riot. I will hold your burning
flag in my hand.And I will watch your empire fall.
I will not die for you. I will not kill for you. I will not fight for you.
I will hold your burning flag in my hand as I watch your empire fall,
cause I know it will.
I will have my coup d'etat.
There are many bands out there who use their art to educate the masses about the squatter at 1601 as well as other causes. I remember being 12 years old and seeing the video for "Freedom" by Rage Against the Machine. It was like someone handed me a cloth to wipe the sleep from my eyes. I'm sure that without groups like this my friends and I would not of had conversations about such things as Tibet, police brutality, eurocentrism, etc.
JohnZero: foreign bands usually have more (and better) to say about our country than American ones. it's nice to see some of our homegrown punk bands getting off their asses, no?
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