HULK SMASHED
Every day we see further proof that Republican Asshole-ism knows no bounds.
Man, where was this logic when they were spending federal money on Reagan's ranch?
Hey,
Sombody please mine all of the vile spew spent on Wellstone so we can just publish photocopies when Reagan kicks the bucket.
Only the good....
In response to an Oct. 18 counterpoint suggesting that Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis be renamed "Lake Wellstone," [...] The [fact] is that Paul Wellstone was not universally admired in this state. Some thought that he was a divisive exponent of class warfare and an opportunist. Many thought he would not be reelected to the Senate. Approximately half of Minnesota voters were solid for Norm Coleman.
Conspiracy Theory:
Well, if your side so much that Coleman would win, why'd you have him assassinated? His martyrdom is why they want to rename the lake.
Just Kidding.
John stole my thought........they're stewing in it, aren't they?
Didn't their mothers advise them that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all?
At least Wellstone was a man of principle and no coward.
Wonder if georgie will ever get anything named in his (dis)honor.
As everyone knows, kicking people when they are down is a conservative art form. Attacking the dead, however, unearths deeper, more disturbing motives, better left unexplored. These sentiments should be examined in a psychiatrist's office, and are not suitable for discussion in a family-oriented forum such as this.
Amen to the TownDrunk. I guess these select Minnesotans didn't realize Wellstone absolutely would've won had he lived. What bugs me most about comments such as these is that guys like Norm Coleman couldn't care less about the people making them.
Wellstone counted as friends everyone in the senate (including Jesse Helms. FWIW, Trent Lott was literally the only guy who Wellstone had no use for. Yes, Wellstone's politics were different from his Republican bretheren but he had respect for different opinions. Compare that respect to Coleman's buddy, W, who couldn't wait to call Wellstone a profanity (or was that W's father?). I personally think these Right Wing slugs shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anything that could be seen as 'family oriented'.
Feel the love indeed. Some lovely people wrote in there.
OT -- Love the one criticism of a review of Bill O'Reilly book. I guess she has a problem with the reviewer being "pro-civil rights." They are well trained, these attack dogs. I hope they are rewarded for their unswerving loyalty with tax cuts.
To wit: "Reviewer Barbara Carlson calls herself a Republican, but she espouses her beliefs in civil rights...."
Touche!
Personally, I doubt Clay is right. I don't think Wellstone would have won. And I live here, in MN.
I'm also against renaming Calhoun in honor of Wellstone. He was too good for what has become a pretty misbeggoten state.
My wife's fam lives in MN, and she used to until she moved to VT for me (heh). We both loved Paul, but it seems wrong to change Lake Calhoun's name (apropos of nothing, we ate at a wonderful Italian restaraunt near the lake back in August). There are plenty of other ways to keep Wellstone's memory alive. For instance, give money to Wellstone Action: http://www.wellstone.org/.
Personally, Dr. Pedant is wrong, I too live in Minnesota and Wellstone was on top of the polls at the time of his death. Fritz Mondale would have won too if it wasn't for the Rights spin of the Wellstone memorial.
OT:
Click on the "Torture Lou Dobbs" link on Atrios main page and look at "The Great American Giveaway" story.
As an accountant I'm glad to see this story make it into the American press. Cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles purchase trains and buses which must be depreciated on the books. When organizations purchase equipment they must be deprciated over their life inorder to spread the equipment expense over the useful life. Since cities don't pay income taxes and don't opperate using normal financial accounting standards cities cannot enjoy the tax benefits of depreciation. This is where the corporations come in. They "lease" trains from the cities. The depreciation becomes an expense on the corportations books and thus reduces their taxable income. Its a nice little trick.
man, it would be great if wellsone was haunting georgies dreams.
pie,
Every day I name something after George Bush. Then, when my dog's done, I pick it up and throw it away.
A good neighbor.
Every day I name something after George Bush. Then, when my dog's done, I pick it up and throw it away.
cg, I just read this. Laughed out loud.
i miss paul wellstone. 
I know that lake. Wellstone deserves better than that lake.
Nobody in Minneapolis really wants to change the name of Lake Calhoun, anymore than New Yorkers wanted to change Central Park to "Lennon Park" after John died. And the argument against John C. Calhoun made in the editorial letter by Paul Rozycki that people were reacting to was all-too-typical blather about rectifying past politics by changing names on stuff. I'm embarassed by LINO-liberals who think that's any honest way to improve the world.
Wellstone will do much better when Minnesota schools, hospitals, and other public good works are memorialized in his name. Which they will be.
By the way, how many of you smarties actually read that first editorial before you had an opinion about the letter-writers who reacted? Looks like a lot of you just pushed the venom button.
http://www.startribune.com/stori...19/
4159020.html
I live in MN but go to university in Boston, I filled out an absentee ballot, voting for Paul Wellstone (whom I met when I was in my high school's YDFL club). Mondale would have won if they had counted Wellstone's votes in the absentee ballots but the Republicans refused to let that through. My vote for Wellstone was a vote for Mondale as well.
I've got to tell you, Wellstone was a really nice guy and nice to talk to.
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By the way, how many of you smarties actually read that first editorial before you had an opinion about the letter-writers who reacted? Looks like a lot of you just pushed the venom button.
Read the editorial and the comments, especially the first two.
What's your point?
Today (Oct. 25) is Wellstone World Music Day.
On that day, every piece of music, from orchestras to shower singers, superstars to buskers, will be an expression of that loss and a celebration of that life. It will be one day, where music – which, to my way of thinking, is still the best way to fill in the gray areas that the blacks and whites of everyday life leave us with – rises up in all sorts of clubs, cars, concerts, and living rooms, all in the name of peace and love and joy and all that good stuff that gets snickered at by Them.
- Jim Walsh
Events in Minnesota and elsewhere:
http://www.wellstoneworldmusicda...ay.com/
eve.html
Cosmic Grappler beat me to it! Darn!
>What's your point?
Opportunism knows no party. Both the idea of renaming the lake, and the reaction to it, are largely par for that course.
chrississippi:
Atrios' post, and most of the comments, weren't about renaming the lake. They were about the partisan nastiness directed at Wellstone--around the anniversary of his death--by the same kinda folks who got so indignant at the memorial. That's all. So just ease up on the snark.
"As everyone knows, kicking people when they are down is a conservative art form. Attacking the dead, however, unearths deeper, more disturbing motives, better left unexplored." --Town Drunk
Yes, T.D.,
I read somewhere Rush Limbotomy's comment the day JFK, Jr.'s plane went down in Nantucket Sound.
He said (not an exact quote but as close as I can remember). Liberals who were so impressed with their prince, John, Jr., now are finding out that not only can he not walk on water, but apparently he can't fly over it either.
When it comes to seething, bilious venom, it would take a real overachiever to top the conservatives.
Did David Brooks worry about "the tone" in conservative politics when Pig Boy broadcast that particular piece of "Christian" swill?
Unfortunately the bulk of people who shop at Walmart are not going to be concerned about how little "some wetback" was making.
I, and a few other people, were out in front of our local Walmart protesting and we got nothing but abuse from those people pulling into the parking lot. The few that did spend a minute or two to talk (as opposed to shout obscenities) basically stated what I did above. They didn't give a damn about "illegal immigrants who were stealing jobs from Real Mericans (TM)" and no matter how you tried to point out the culpability of the Walmart management they couldn't get past their racist hate for the workers.
Frankly I'm more than a little discouraged that any boycott will have any effect at all on Walmart's profits or practices.
Just came home from the Wellstone World Music Day event in McLeod County, Minnesota, a stronghold of the GOP. Good size young crowd (average age 17), money raised for the local food shelf and domestic violence prevention, great tunes.
Whatever on the spiteful ones.
As for those who insist that Norm would have won anyway--sorry, but all the internal polls on both sides said it was over, way over, for a while before the crash. His vote against the Iraqi War had put him over the top.
Want to help continue the Wellstone legacy? Check out Wellstone Action!
Carry it forward.
Anything Republicans do while pretending that they are anything other than greedy, money whores, should be opposed. Since the reality is that they are evil they shouldn't be allowed to construct any facade over the sorry fact.
I don't buy it for a second.
Attacking the dead, however, unearths deeper, more disturbing motives, better left unexplored. These sentiments should be examined in a psychiatrist's office, and are not suitable for discussion in a family-oriented forum such as this.
I don't know ... I'm pretty comfortable kicking Reagan while he's down and drooling as he is now, and I don't know how much I'll let up when he finally kicks.
That man has much to answer for, and the fact that he may die with a conscience cleaned due to brain degenrative ignorance seems a bit unfair.
Assuming, of course, that he had a conscience to begin with ...
Having spent thirteen years living in the great state of Thurmond (formerly called "South Carolina"), I can certainly sympathize with folks who have had enough of renaming things after politicians.
Geographical features are especially suspect. I Grew up in Florida during the giddy days of Go Fever, but even then we hated the thought of Cape Canaveral being renamed (on the other hand, renaming the military base and NASA facilities was perfectly fine with us), and we were happy when the name was restored.
Living in Thurm-- er, South Carolina -- I was disgusted at the thought of renaming Clark's Hill Lake after You-Know-Who (I was especially annoyed on behalf of the people of Georgia, since it was their lake, too, that was being renamed without their consent).
Buildings, roads, Universities, airports -- knock yourselves out. Bits and pieces of geography, not so much.
On the other hand, those letters written in opposition were a fairly vicious and unpleasant lot. If I lived in Minnesota, I'd be opposed to renaming the lake, too; but I would sure as hell be embarassed to have wound up on the same side of the issue as those mouth-breathing goobers.
They killed him.
It served them well.
Attacking the dead, however, unearths deeper, more disturbing motives, better left unexplored
Guess we won't hear you bad mouth Nixon or McCarthy then...
Attacking the dead, however, unearths deeper, more disturbing motives, better left unexplored
Guess we won't hear you bad mouth Nixon or McCarthy then...
see, this is what I mean ... some mother fuckers just deserve it, and death is no reason for me to stop holding them accountable for their horrid actions during life.
I think it was Dave Barry who wrote about the ``Ronald Reagan Memorial Committee to Rename Everything After Ronald Reagan'' or something like that. Wellstone was everything Reagan wasn't. Selfless, embracing, compassionate, deeply intelligent. The Wellstone haters are depraved.
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