I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I'd gladly comply with the RNC request, provided that the RNC agrees to run a "This is all a lie," crawl beneath each and every one of its campaign commercials.
I remember Reagan. Affable, caring, and capable of hiring and excusing the most bloodthirsty of ideologues as advisors and assistants--El Mozote ring a bell? Sorry. I think that I'll read, and try to remember that Reagan was far more qualified for the presidency than Whistle-ass.
These are the same people that would gleefully make a movie about Clinton singlehandedly destroying the fabric of american culture, then assault you upon returning from every commercial break about how this is the absolute truth and should be heeded before another dirty evil liberal takes over again.
Your implication is offensive. We'll be offering tapes and DVDs on our website to present the real RNC record. Not to make money, of course.
Hey, cut them some slack! Just the neo-nazis wanting to protect memories of "The Leader".
Memo to fascist pricks at the RNC: FOAD, motherfuckers.
Atrios: I'm surprised that you're surprised. When James Brolin, rather than Paulie Schorr, was cast in the title role, you should have known there was bound to be trouble.
And Phyllis Diller should sue for being denied the opportunity to play the former first lady.
Didn't the RNC ask to review Showtime's pro-Bush propoganda movie that aired last month, too? Oh wait, they didn't make a peep over that one.
Did you post Representative Dingell's letter to CBS over the biased Reagan movie, Atrios? Check out Dingell's homepage.
YES is a great band, Atrios...Where was the outrage at Primary Colors, btw???
This whole episode, as it were, demonstrates the power of the wignut's organization. Fox news + MSNBC/CNBC + conservative radio + right-wing 'think'tanks = the CV is the Reagan is a great man. Anyone opposed to him must have some crazy vendetta.
Fortunately, due to the 'o'reilly factor,' we know that this publicity will only increase viewership.
WooHoo!
John Dingell kicks ass and takes fascist names!
Here's Dingell's letter:
"As someone who served with President Reagan, and in the interest of historical accuracy, please allow me to share with you some of my recollections of the Reagan years that I hope will make it into the final cut of the mini-series: $640 Pentagon toilets seats; ketchup as a vegetable; union busting; firing striking air traffic controllers; Iran-Contra; selling arms to terrorist nations; trading arms for hostages; retreating from terrorists in Beirut; lying to Congress; financing an illegal war in Nicaragua; visiting Bitburg cemetery; a cozy relationship with Saddam Hussein; shredding documents; Ed Meese; Fawn Hall; Oliver North; James Watt; apartheid apologia; the savings and loan scandal; voodoo economics; record budget deficits; double digit unemployment; farm bankruptcies; trade deficits; astrologers in the White House; Star Wars; and influence peddling."
Rep. Dingell concluded, "I hope you find these facts useful in accurately depicting President Reagan’s time in office."
For what it's worth, some of the most bitter criticism I've heard in the media against Whistle-ass has been from Ronald Reagan, Jr. "My dad shit bigger ones than him," was one of them. He's figured that Bush was an unqualfied pansy-boy since summer 2000. Figures that W. is a betrayal of all things Republican, as far as his father would be concerned. May not be worth much, but it's an indictment of what the GOP has become.
I can't believe that one of the things the wingers are getting upset over is his handling of AIDS. They're worried he won't come off as sympathetic, that the truth of his willful negligence will be seen. His response to AIDS alone should condemn him to Hell, let alone all the other shit he pulled. The only problem with Reagan's Alzheimers is that he's not coherent enough to suffer.
I especially enjoy that the RNC wants the caption to run saying the program is inaccurate, even if they haven't seen the show.
But, will CBS cave? Do we have anyone with sporting blood that will give odds?
I'll start at 2 to 1 they cave.
my guess is they won't let them watch it, but they'll edit the "offensive" line about aids.
Goddamn fuckin Nazi chimps!
this is outrageous!
If Moonves doesn't tell him where to shove it, the internal politics of CBS will get very interesting...
I'm surprised the Repubs haven't introduced a bill to designate Ronnie the Official Vegetable of the United States.
I thought the Official Vegetable of the United States is ketchup.
The Rethuglicans have been attempting to turn Reagan into their FDR. He is their patron saint. There has been a very coordinated (and effective) effort to name everything after the Teflon president, e.g. new government buildings.
I remember when National Airport was renamed Reagan Nat'l Airport, while I was living in DC. To this day, I still call it National, or DCA, out of pure disdain for this evil man and his idiotic policies.
Any suggestion that Reagan is un-godlike undermines a major part of the right's PR effort. Especially where the public is informed that the GOP is filled with heartless, racist, selfish bastards. Why else would W. feel the need to use the (false) title of 'compassionate conservative' in the first place?
From the wires:
"A strange object emerged whirling from the ground in Kazakhstan earlier today. Upon further examination, scientists confirmed the device's identity as Abraham Lincoln's casket."
There has been a very coordinated (and effective) effort to name everything after the Teflon president, e.g. new government buildings.
led by...Grover Norquist.
I, too, will always call the airport National.
My hypocrisy meter broke from overuse a long time ago. These fucking republicans just have no goddamn shame. They will go to any extent to make sure they and their agenda prevail. They are the most dangerous threat to our democracy in history. These bastards make me long for the relatively "honest" days of Richard Nixon when we at least had a media that had the guts to do their job.
The Rethuglicans have been attempting to turn Reagan into their FDR. He is their patron saint.
No, it's more than that.
He's their Stalin. How much do you want to bet that some GOP twit will, in all seriousness, proposed that a "Reagan's Tomb", complete with the embalmed corpse of the man, be set up somewhere in Reagangrad...er, Washington DC?
The cult of personality surrounding the git is sickening.
Gary Frazier: I couldn't have said it better myself, sir.
Are there any islands for sale? I truly feel the need to buy my own island.
Gary, you're right, but of course, the corpse is not to be embalmed, but cryogenically frozen, calmly awaiting resurection and subsequent elevation to the guidance of the new Holy American Empire.
My friend Bob works for 20th Century Fox. Yeah, yeah, I know -- but he was there before Murdoch and such a damned great lawyer it was impossible for them to fire his (fabulous) gay ass. Anyhoo a number of years back, when Ronnie Baby was still ambulatory he used to drop by once a week at his office at the Century Plaza Hotel -- which shares a parking lot with Fox.
(The Century Plaza Hotel is RNC party headquarters. You can tell when the party bigwigs are in town because the Salvadoran hookers and their pimps start lining up outside on the avenue just off Century Plaza blvd.)
So Bob was just coming back from lunch and was the only one in the (underground) lot at the time when suddenly lights blared and a big ol' limo pulled in. A couple of Secret Service men popped out followed by Ronnie -- who turned around and waved to the crowd he clearly thought was there.
But there was no one there, except for Bob
Bob knew Ronnie couldn't see him. he wasn't even waving in his direction. But he almost felt moved to wave back to the poor old doddering dear.
Almost.
"I'm surprised the Repubs haven't introduced a bill to designate Ronnie the Official Vegetable of the United States."
Is this what you mean by "Fair and Balanced"?
I love that Relayer Album.
Doesn't the RNC realize that by making such a big stink over a dumb TV movie that the ratings are going to go up?
dave
OT: A couple of days ago, I got a letter from Ed Gillespie, thanking me for being a grassroots leader for the Republican National Committee and inviting me to donate more money to their cause. The letter included a color picture of Chimpy in his flight suit, thanking me for donating. Now, I have never voted for a Republican in my life and certainly have never given them money. My initial thought was to send them back, with their pre-paid envelope, a copy of Tom Toles' recent cartoon
Of course CBS will cave.
This is why I don't watch network television anymore (OK, ok.. I've developed a West Wing habit but THAT's IT!)
OK, ok.. I've developed a West Wing habit but THAT's IT!
That's ok, because West Wing is on NBC (and Bravo--part of the NBC "family")
Whoops, guess I hit the send button too soon.
Anyway, I was thinking of sending back a copy of Toles' recent cartoon, the one with the flaming pumpkin. But if anyone has any better ideas, I'm all ears. Or if anyone can figure out why they sent me this. The only thing I can think of is that I'm a registered voter, and I didn't register as a Democrat.
Thanks!
oopsie...sorry, didn't see "Network" thought you said, "that Network"
But, if you can wait a few seasons, there's Bravo
My little litter box dining dog, Ernest, is a GOP team leader. He gets a free copy of the "National Review" every month.
He writes letters to the editor of the local newspaper every month in exchange for GOP points. He can turn these in for prizes. His letters always begin with:
This is a letter the Republican Party told me to write. You better print it because we control everything now
Funny, they never get printed.
Reagan was (is) a dangerous fool, but that aids quote shouldn't be put in anyone's mouth, without a source.
The RNC has a point - if the movie doesn't show Uncle Ronnie drooling all over his shirt and babbling incoherently, it really can't be termed "accurate."
Reagan's administration can be summed up in 3 words:
the sleaze factor
I'm not a far of Reagan but some of the stuff on this thread has crossed the line into uncivil discussion
Shorter Ed Gillespie:
Dear CBS, if you don't do what we tell you, we're going to try to give you lots of money.
Grover Norquist - The Waylon Smithers to Reagan's Montgomery Burns.
aw c'mon, RNC! Pan it! You KNOW CBS is just dying for you to pan it! Their ratings will soar!
Or better yet, sue CBS! That'll boost it even more!
You know, the--dare I say it?--"O'Reilly Factor"!
I remember a curious little phrase that appeared frequently during the Reagan years. It went: "What the President meant to say..."
Wonder if the RNC would allow THAT into their approved scripts?
May I comment upon the reality of the $600 toilet seat?
It wasn't a "toilet seat" as you and I know it. It was, in fact, a hand crafted fiberglass seat and mechanism enclosure for a chemical toilet used on the, as I recall, ORION aircraft.
While the actual toilet was a commercial unit, much like you'd find in a passenger jet, it had to be shoe horned into an odd space on the aircraft, necessitating a custom built enclosure and seat.
As the number needed, about 50, if memory serves, was so small, it was cheaper to have each seat essentially handmade by a company, rather than having them churned out by a machine. Indeed, the metal molds alone that would be needed would have cost more then the entire cost of all the seats/cabinets that were made by hand. And by hand, I mean a craftsman, using a form of some kind, did the initial buildup of the whole seat and enclosure. After the thing cured, the rest of the work was done, installing fittings, latches, opening, et al.)
Please, everyone, we can nail DoD on far more genuine extravagances than this whole bogus $600 toilet seat" myth. It wasn't a toilet seat you buy at Home Depot. It was something entirely different.
Let us not become what we behold, and lie by innuendo and inference, as does Bush and his toadies.
Thank you for your kind attention.
I remember Reagan said when questioned about his advanced age during his campaign that he would take a senility test if elected. Anyone else remember that or have a documented source. Swear to god I'm not making this up...
When I was living through the actual Reagan presidency I was always convinced it was really nothing more than a shitty made for TV movie.
The W presidency has a more viscerally awful feel to it, though--kind of like having your eyeballs clipped back a la A Clockwork Orange and being forced to watch Battlefield Earth in an endless loop.
I think it's the combination of the actual horrific human suffering combined with the unbelievable, moronic kitsch value. Uggggh.
The W Presidency: The Epikak Years.
That's my title for the TV movie of the future.
The GOP is more upset about the Reagan biopic depicting Ronnie being neglectful on AIDS than they EVER EVER EVER were about AIDS itself. EVER.
And that's a fact.
Dingell recalls "ketchup as a vegetable."
It was actually worse than that. The idea was to save money by reducing the cost of the federal school-lunch program. I. e., to give Walter Annenberg an even larger tax-cut, we were going to pretend that our school-children didn't need vegetables so long as there was ketchup in the cafeteria.
What kind of human being is capable of doing that to a child?
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I AM ATRIOS:
If I remember my underground stories correctly, a DoN friend told me that the toilet seats had to be replaced, (well how often do you have to replace a toilet seat?), not because of fat-assed flight crew but because of the contraband liquor they would bring back from the islands on mission rotation. The P-3 is packed with gear and sweaty bodies with enough room for minimal movement. The only spare space was a locker over the loo which would be filled with island-priced booze. Add in a bit of turbulence to this scenario and you have the makings of a work order for a new toilet seat.
diaper the old fuck up, and send him to Baghdad.
maybe he can win one for the littliest Gipper
OK, so what about the $500 hammers? Don't tell me they were gold-plated, either!
We are now ruled by one party. Get use to it!
Cervantes,
I won't dispute the the "beings." I'll require proof for the "human."
What's really sad is that you know it probably IS a crap movie and a hatchet job. That doesn't excuse the ministry of virtue from demanding a "review" of it, though.
Disgusting.
Reagan is. . . .ketchup.
Isn't it probable that "those that live in sin, will die in sin" is the G-rated version of what the drooling tard really said? Cbs probaby cleaned it up and made it sound more stately.
It was more likely something like "fucking queers, their talent and influence in Hollywood held me to chimp humping parts for most of my career...let 'em rot".
Sorry for the gutter-speak of this post, but the Pugs have really been eating at me today, and I lived through the great Reagan years, so I feel like profanity is my friend right now.
shorter Reagan bio-
"duh?"
Weird. It's only a freaking TV show. What are they worried about? Why do they care??
Republicans are becoming like some sort of cult.
Whenever I reflect upon the sleaze of the Reagan era..
I'm cheered by the mental image of Bonzo leading a diapered Ronny around by the hand.
Becoming?
Do you think Ronald Raygun will sleep through the showing? He slept through everything else.
Why is this surprising. Of course the Rethugs are reviewing TV shows pre-airing. Has anybody else actually had the stomache to watch Threat Matrix? In this week's episode, a Gitmo prisoner was tortured to death, but it was all worth it because it prevented the assassination of a Palestinian leader, and thus WWIII. When the murdering CIA agent returned to work after her acquittal (of course she was acquitted - it wouldn't be propaganda if the administration was actually punished for their misdeeds), she got a standing ovation set to stirring patriotic music. Pure, unadulterated propaganda.
The Ipecac Years
Can there be much doubt that W is the apotheosis of RRR? The GrOPer party has finally shown itself for the nazi shitbags they have always been.
Seen one redwood? Seen them all, he said, dead to nature, this fake flannel cowboy.
Seen one GrOPer, seen one too many.
The discourse that the GrOPers expect is not going to be there when they finally get off the Nitrous and get real about what they have done to the country and themselves. If the GrOPers had had ANY standards that weren't hypocrisy, they would have opposed this Wart on the Presidency. But they have been slowly sliding us toward THEIR $600 billion toilet seat, from McCarthy to Nixon to Ford to Reagan, and now two of these Bx Nazis.
It's their trajectory, and they have put their seal of approval on it. Too late to take it back. Like that stinking puke Flush Limbo. Ruined, ruined, ruined. Poor GrOPers-- no salvation for these PROVEN hypocrites, these cowardly conspirators, these spirchetic fiends, these brazen clowns, and these WAR criminals. Never can wash that blood off their faces.
There, now is that enough DISCOURSE for you?
The politeness police, headed up by the Marshmallow Man, Bill Clinton, with his mealy mouthed sidekick Al Gore, and that pathetic coward Dashell, and the tumored Biden, and all the other PP, who really think that there is a polite future to TYRANNY and TREASON.
We're flying into hell like a quick ride on an untethered well bucket, and these BOOBS keep preaching the path of NON-protest.
Get behind the Governor, and tell Pope Bill that his feelings of guilt are STILL not our problem.
republicans are the traitors.that communist spy in california worked in the republican party, while screwing an fbi agent who was investigating democratic fundraising. richard perle, who tried to help the chinese get control of global crossing fiber optic network, is a long time republican. the people who outed valerie plame are republicans. you may accuse me of oversimplifying, but the repubs have made careers and election victories from falsely painting dems and liberals as traitors, while ignoring treaons in their own party. and by the way, will that reagan movie have anything about the october surprise?
I tell you, it it all boils down to Paulie Schorr and Phyllis Diller. Had those two magical kids been thrown together, the GOP would be singing in the streets about the movie.
Someone got greased to see that magic wouldn't strike the "Ronald Reagan' story.
If CBS doesn't acknowledge that fact, per the RNC request, free speech as we've known it in this country is dead.
God Bless the Republican Party: today, tomorrow, and forever!
"The only problem with Reagan's Alzheimers is that he's not coherent enough to suffer."
First cheering the death of Michael Kelly, and now this. I gotta tell you, some of you people are just...lovely.
"Can there be much doubt that W is the apotheosis of RRR? The GrOPer party has finally shown itself for the nazi shitbags they have always been."
And some of you are just fucking lunatics.
Well, you lurk at FreeRepublic long enough, the lunacy rubs off.
I remember Reagan. Affable, caring, and capable of hiring and excusing the most bloodthirsty of ideologues as advisors and assistants--El Mozote ring a bell?
Brian C.B.
This isn't just history, In Guatamala
there's a real possiblity that Rios Montt (b0rn again "christian")is going to be able to take up murdering, raping and stealing again just like he did under Reagan. If Gore hadn't been ousted by the Bush putsch this wouldn't have happened.
I remember Reagan. Affable, caring, and capable of hiring and excusing the most bloodthirsty of ideologues as advisors and assistants--El Mozote ring a bell?
Brian C.B.
John Negroponte ring a bell? We've got some of the same bloody-handed fools back in gov't now.
Dingell left out dyed hair.
Creeping fascism infests the former United States of America.
So how do we know what's in this movie if nobody has seen it? The truth must really hurt, 'cos this is driving them nuts! Check out the freepers at the IMDB message board.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0383139/
best laugh of the week: merv griffin complaining that nancy and ronnie had no one to stick up for them. i guess people like griffin & gillespie whipping themselves into a frenzy on cable and radio doesn't count, huh?
how about everyone call c-span and ask why the center for public intergrity's report regarding iraqi contracts hasn't had decent air time? as far as I can tell, it ran on C-Span 1 at 12:37AM & 4:39AM friday morning and 9:30AM on C-Span 3 on thursday. i rather see on it on tv rather than over my computer.
enough of the condi and wolfowitz of arabia already! (cheers to the student that said his policies are deplorable!)
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of course we all remember how the RNC demanded that made for t.v. movie about W on 9/11 be accurate.
GOP chairman Ed Gillespie:
He said such reviews for historical accuracy should be routine when portraying a president's career or legacy. "I would make the same case about a portrayal of the Kennedy administration or the Carter administration," he said.
But he never has. Why didn't the GOP get all upset about the historicl innacuracies of the Bush/911 piece of propaganda that stained out public medium?
I love "Yes"-- Relayer is a great album.
"And Phyllis Diller should sue for being denied the opportunity to play the former first lady."
Cold.............
I worked with a guy that carries a picture of Reagan in his wallet and has donated to a fund collecting money to put Reagans image on Mt. Rushmore.
At least Reagan did have Nancy to shield him from the worst elements of the control freaks. She was so heavily envolved with his image that I do not believe she would have ever let him do a stunt like the flight suit. Bush either has no one or listens to no one (ie, Laura) around him who could advise him on anything from a viewpoint out side of the political intent.
I wonder if Gillespie and his band of revisionists, when they put out their own DVD 'setting the record straight' will mention that Ronnie, who opined in public about his courageous war hero days, never actually served in combat. Nah. They prefer fictional image to stark reality.
Reagan already IS on Mt. Rushmore. It's hard to tell because he's the one facing the other way.
Hold on...following the example of The Passion, this movie should only be seen by highly partisan liberals who go out and give drooling reviews over it, followed by a campaign offensive of anti-American/anti-Christian/anti-whatever accusations to anyone who raises any objection to it.
i wonder what their team of historians found when they fact-checked the GWB 9/11 movie...
Haven't read the post yet or any of the comments.
Just wanted to say:
Cool! A Relayer reference!
I remember Raygun publicly as a nice ol' grandpaw type, forgetful, always polite, even as he grinned that maniacal grin. Remember 'trees cause pollution'? From the beginning, the Iran hostage situation, the Israeli invasion into Beirut with subsequent bombings of the Marine barracks and the Amer. embassy, numerous hijackings and other hostage takings, the 'mining' of the harbor in Nicaraugua, Iran Contra, and he (sainted one) got away with it all! Even then, jesus was grooming whistle-ass for the fast track to Washington. Reckon they'll cover any of that?
some GOP twit is Grover Norquist. Don't give him any more frickin' ideas.
More conservatives trying to frame the lanquage of the conversation. They are protecting themselves.
I can only guess how much favorable legislation and/or money the network will demand in secret before they cave on the issue. Though it will clearly not be considered a cave.
MYOB'
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"Gillespie said that if CBS denies the request, he will ask the network to run a note across the bottom of the screen every 10 minutes during the program's presentation informing viewers that the miniseries is not accurate."
Did they do that on the Bush piece of fiction on Showtime? How about running it under all of the Fox News broadcasts?
And I wonder if this new movie will include the scene my wife and I remember so well. It was when a reporter called out a question and Nancy leaned in and whispered in Ron's ear, "We're doing all we can," and Ron said to the reporter, "We're doing all we can."
Or when he remembered liberating a Nazi death camp even though he never left Hollywood during WWII.
Yeah, I wonder if those scenes will be in the movie.
Bastards. I hope Gillespie got a razor blade in his apple last night.
Philly G, why do I suspect you've never wrote Ann Coulter a letter chiding her for wishing death on the people who work at the NYT building, or for suggesting that we should kill John Walker Lindh to show liberals that they can be killed too?
Nah, it's much more fun to wag your finger at us horrible liberals. God forbid we take umbrage at the distorted legacy of one of the biggest sacks of shit to ever inhabit the Oval Office.
Fuck civility, and fuck you too, you self appointed moral police officer. Your masters burned civility at the stake and pissed on the ashes long ago.
Ronald Reagan is a fucking traitor, and the day he dies, I will throw a raging kegger in celebration. I'm tired of pretending evil fucks like him and Strom Thurmond are worthy of compassion when they get to live long, productive lives while raping the electorate, while hard working, virtuous men like my father die at 49, leaving nothing but mounting bills and a shell shocked wife and two sons.
If there's any justice in this fucked up universe, Reagan will burn in hell, and lying, self serving apologists like you will burn right along with him.
The dingell website in case someone missed it above somewhere.
http://www.house.gov/dingell/
MYOB'
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You homosexual Reagan haters will be sent to hell by yours truly. With a knife.
Awww, how cute, the freepers are making idle threats in order to compensate for their microscopic members! How delightful.
Homosexual? Hardly, all though I must say I would derive a distinct non-sexual pleasure out of seeing a knuckle dragger like yourself or your idol Ronnie getting raped with a Coke bottle by a 400 pound drag queen named Francine.
You're a fucking concubine to traitorous rapists, troll boy. Hope it feels good when your sugar daddies bend you over.
Oh and Freep boy? Not all liberals are anti-gun. I got me a 9mm, and you're gonna bring a knife? Someone never saw the Untouchables.
Come on down to Nebraska, bitch. I'll be glad to turn you into a human blood sprinkler should you encroach on my property. Something tells me I've got nothing to fear from a fucking punk like yourself.
"You homosexual Reagan haters will be sent to hell by yours truly. With a knife."
Liberal History Bias Detector
This is an empty threat. They don't allow sharp objects where you are.
Guys, guys guys.
Look, there's no point in cleaning your 9mm or breaking any soda bottles for a mano a mano with the likes of Philly G or Liberal History Bias Detector.
Because these guys are cowards. You'll never see them out in the streets. They're hiding in their parent's basement with only the glow of a 15" monitor to light the room.
None of them have the guts to put their body on the line to honor the checks they write with their mouths. If they did, they'd be getting their asses shot at in Kabul or Baghdad right now.
Political parties reviewing and approving television programs? That is really disturbing.
"Come on down to Nebraska, bitch. I'll be glad to turn you into a human blood sprinkler should you encroach on my property. Something tells me I've got nothing to fear from a fucking punk like yourself."
Jess---
Can I have the body? The local high school is running out of frogs for the biology classes.|
I know why the RNC REALLY has it's panties in an uproar about the Reagan tv movie: The guy playing Raygun is James Brolin (aka Mr. Barbara Streisand). Ya gotta love the irony.
You homosexual Reagan haters will be sent to hell by yours truly. With a knife.
What the fuck? Is the Yahoo! message board server down or something? I've gotta admit, I'm not used to seeing this (subhuman) level of discourse on Atrios' site.
Is it true the RNC has asked to have a disclaimer added to each page of the U.S. Constitution?
gods, and my friends almost had me convinced that i should buy a TeeVee... Thank you, Atrios, for saving me fifty bucks...
... we are marching, doubletime, headlong into fascism.
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