I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Has someone been listening to Yes this evening?
No, Frank Zappa. "Help, I'm a Rock.."
What Wondrous Stories!
The Union of Atrios' posts are taking me Close to the Edge. While we liberals might proclaim "Don't Kill the Whale," wingnuts will still not Awaken, even after the Turn of the Century, to the fact that their Hearts need Changes. With all this Drama, Jon Anderson would proclaim that there is really only one Time and a Word that is appropriate: LOVE. Unfortunately, the repubs are worshipping false Machine Messiahs named Reagan and Bush. Can You Imagine if We Agreed to Give Love Each Day??
Finally, To Be Over with this silly post.
Totally loving the Yes ref's!
In terms of social policy, the Lochner era/court essentially represents the anthesis of the vaious New Deal programs.
The audacity of sending a judge up for senate confirmation who supports the universally discredited Lochner line of cases is breathtaking.
But consider that Judge Brown is the bastard love child of GHWB and Pete Wilson. Wilson was trying to emulate the Clarence Thomas Affirmative Action nomination for minority right wing freaks when he nominated her. Now shrub wants to rub it in even more. It's as obscene as finding pubic hair in your coke!
Wow, it's Atrios of Sunhillow
OK, Atrios. But can you sit down with a nylon-string and play "Mood for a Day"?
That's the mark of the true Yes fan.
(and BTW, we would only count song titles from the incarnation of the band that existed up to Drama. The post-90125 era band had many of the same personnel and was a great band in its own way, but a different one. It would never have the audacity to consider the wretched excess of doing a double album where each side had only one track ... all of it based on some obscure four-part notion in Hindi scripture that Jon Anderson came across in Autobiography of a Yogi.
(While many people consider that album the nadir of progressive rock, that title more properly belongs to ELP’s Works ... a double album which, except for "Fanfare for the Common Man" at the end, is solo work by the individual members, because none of them could get along any more by that point).
Of course, there's an even more important similarity between the Lochner "liberty of contract" cases and the "sovereign immunity" cases: both are based on rights that are not in the Consitution. The Civil War Amendments were not intended to prevent that states from placing constraints on labor contracts. The Constitution clearly does not give the University of Alabama the same legal status as a 16th century British monarch.
What's funny about the Volokher's defense is that it seems to hinge not on a substantive defense of the justly discredited "liberty of contract" nonsense, but on the fact that the court (as Holmes gleefully pointed out) didn't apply the doctrine consistently. Well, I'm convinced!
P.S. As far as 70s prog goes, I'd prefer King Crimson references, but hey, it's your blog...
While many people consider that album the nadir of progressive rock, that title more properly belongs to ELP’s Works
I liked Welcome Back My Friends... myself, that double live album ('77? '78?). Swell version of "Jerusalem".
"The color of one's skin is NEVER transcended."
Suzy Creamcheese, what's got into you???...
Here's Gary Frazier sucking up to identity politics:
"Ehrenstein gets a bonus in this case, because he's speaking from personal, won with pain experience.
He's got a perspective on this that I respect because it's not possible for me to get it myself."
Gary: "Oh my, I kiss DE's feet, because I couldn't ever feel his pain (as much as I wish I could.) Victimhood and martyrdom is my highest calling!
I have broadband service, but atrios' site takes 32 seconds to load.
Google snaps up in 2 seconds, Drudge in 5, josh marshall in 12
What's going on?
(While many people consider that album the nadir of progressive rock, that title more properly belongs to ELP’s Works ... a double album which, except for "Fanfare for the Common Man" at the end, is solo work by the individual members, because none of them could get along any more by that point).
SullyWatch: kinda funny you should mention that in connection with serial posts w/ song titles from Fragile--which explicitly reserves one track each for the five individual members to show off--including the sublimely silly We Are Heaven and the sorta regrettable Cans & Brahms (lets see Atrios come up with a post with that title!)...Sometimes that sort of thing works...The White Album comes to mind (a mess, but a glorious mess).
Much as I enjoy deep Constitutional Law debates, I move that this thread be hijacked in favor of classic nonsensical ProgRock lyrics. I'll start:
Straight Light moving and
removing SHARPNESS of the
color Sun-Shine...
Straight Light searching all the
Meanings of the Song!
[Dum daga dum, Dum daga dum, Dum daga dum, Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum]
Long Lost Treatment of the
Telling that relates to all the
words-sung...
Dreamer, Easy in the
Chair that really fits you!
who could argue with that?
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Lochner v. New York is an infamous 1905 Supreme Court decision. New York had enacted a maximum-hours law for the protection of bakers, providing that they couldn't work more than 60 hours a week. The Court held, 5-4, that the law violated the bakers' and their employers' "liberty of contract" -- if they wanted to contract for longer hours, that was their constitutional right, damn it! "Liberty of contract" is nowhere to be found in the Constitution, although there is a clause forbidding states to "impair the obligation of contracts." Justice Holmes wrote a famous dissent in which he said that, "The Fourteenth Amendment does not enact Mr. Herbert Spencer's Social Statics." (Spencer was a prominent "Social Darwinist" of the day.) Justice Harlan wrote a less famous dissent for three other justices. Lochner, long since overruled, is the most notorious example (although there were many others from that period) of the Court striking down a state regulation of business. Dubya's latest judicial nominee to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, Janice Rogers Brown, is, amazingly, a fan of Lochner, which makes her an absolute judicial Neanderthal, to the right even of Scalia and Thomas.
One can love Yes and ELP at the same time! It didn't seem that way back then ...
OT, but Atrios should get a kick out of this.
Awesome article:
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/
10/27_lakoff.shtml
It sounds like all you people just have The Clap.
Butthead: "He said unconsitutional." Heh, heh.
Federalism debate == Calvinball.
Heh, heh.
Is it just me, or are the various sockpuppets of megatwit Harden even more incoherent than usual tonight?
Here you are making references to constitutional history and I'm here at home without my constitutional history notes! I've only taught the class once so it's something I'm not as familiar with as other historical topics. But, hey, I'm a social historian, so I'm entitled to be a little fuzzy on constitutional history -- at least until I teach the class a second time!
Anyway, you're more or less right. The Lochner decision is one in a long line of examples of supposedly laissez-faire justices claiming that the states can't regulate working conditions and contracts because the federal constitution prohibits it.
It's a great example of the laissez faire court "making law" and using a rather nebulous argument to force laissez faire concepts on the rest of us. They claimed it was a "due process" violation. Not surprisingly, this was the same sort of argument accepted by the felonious five in the Bush v. Gore decision as well.
When the "due process" violation shows up in a case where it doesn't seem to belong it's a clue that the right wing ideologues on the court are making it up as they go along.
It's essentially the multi-purpose judicial weapon wielded by conservatives when they want a case to have a particular outcome or they want to claim that the state has regulated something they don't want regulated.
That's just my two cents -- without my constitutional history notes.
How's this for incoherence:
"Ehrenstein gets a bonus in this case, because he's speaking from personal, won with pain experience.
He's got a perspective on this that I respect because it's not possible for me to get it myself."
I'm sorry. I'm just beginning to get a little tired of the Randians. This is not a novel. You are neither Howard Roark nor John Galt.
ha ha
from "Roundabout"
In and around the Lake
Mallards come out of the Sky
they Stand There...
it's the Duck Pit!
Oh, and Mr. Title as Handle: you're grasping at straws to try & score imaginary points on a completely different thread. In other words: go away.
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Oh, Hi, Gary! Guess you didn't think anyone paid any attention to your pandering to DE.
He's such an afflicted, oppressed soul. And you just couldn't resist the moral temptation to rally his cause.
You sorry lefty sucker.
DE wrote "The color of one's skin is NEVER transcended." And Frazier bought it! Hook, line and lefty sinker.
If you cracked open Hitler's skull, that's what you'd read: "The color of one's skin is NEVER transcended." A denial of all of the best impulses of liberalism.
There is no egalitarianism. Our pigment predestines our fate. We are trapped by our pigment, and our pigment traps us. There's no such thing as imagination, ability, intelligence, ambition.
DE is sick, and GF is infected.
A judicial candidate endorsing Lochner is about the same as a judge thinking that the Court in Dred Scott got things about right. Although the Volokhite made an honorable attempt to at least explain the legal reasoning behind that line of decisions, the decision itself is symbolic of a bleak era in conservative judicial activism that I do not want to see repeated.
Roundabout
Atrios, I love you with a passion that you just don't know (heh, name *that* band). Given that Yes is my favorite "progressive rock" group, I can't help but notice that you are the coolest blogger (other than me) ever. Relayer kinda sucked, but Fragile is the greatest. I'm close to the edge...
On topic: Federal Calvinball describes the wingers' approach exactly. Gosh, these states allowing death with dignity and medical Mary J must be stopped. Gun control? Slavery? States' rights! States' rights!
My personal favorite is "I've Seen All Good People." That cool transition really impressed me back at a concert with a sparkling, twirling ball, some Jamaican imports and my college buds. Beyond that, it's a little vague.
The post-90125 era band had many of the same personnel and was a great band in its own way, but a different one.
Trevor Rabin changed the group, certainly, and in many ways I enjoy the later incarnation more than the 70s version. That said, Fragile changed my world, and Close to the Edge pushed me over...
I saw the "Classic Yes" tour at Radio City last year for my birthday, and it was an almost religious experience. Back to the old days of 15 minute jams and solos, plus a little bit off the new album, which is actually really good.
Allen - my senior cat has decided it's time to eat because your post made me start whistling "I've Seen All Good People", which is very similar to our "come to dinner" tune. Yet another reason you and I are on the same proverbial wavelength...
"it was an almost religious experience[?????]"
We did Burning Man, then we went to Sedona and built sacred rock circles in the early dawn, while frankincense filled the morning air. Someone had a Walkman with Topographic Oceans, but we smashed it.
So nice to see all my stalkers out in force tonight.
Perfect for Halloween.
Seen you at NYPress Mail(?)
You wrote yesterday "The color of one's skin is NEVER transcended."
Do you still stand by that statement?
kinda funny you should mention that in connection with serial posts w/ song titles from Fragile —which explicitly reserves one track each for the five individual members to show off — including the sublimely silly “We Are Heaven”
We Have Heaven
and the sorta regrettable “Cans & Brahms” (lets see Atrios come up with a post with that title!)...
But the difference is that Fragile 1) balanced those tracks with four group works (of which most have already been mentioned here; we think that the two that don’t get the classic-rock airplay, “South Side of the Sky” (Wakeman anticipates George Winston in the piano-solo interlude in the middle of a song that seems to be about a really bad hiking or canoeing trip and just generally rocks) and the Baudelairesque lyrics of "Heart of the Sunrise," quoted above, are among the band’s best songs; and 2) those five tracks are in any case (Bruford’s especially ... is that what he meant by “Five Percent for Nothing?”) very short, certainly not a whole album side.
Yep.
Your point?
Nothing transcends skin color?
You really, honestly believe that?
You keep harping on this like a broken record.
I happen to live in the real world. I don't make the rules.
Hi, DE! (or is it "Hi, Gary!?),
You mean to tell me that you can't tell the difference between races? That you're actually colorblind? What are you getting at?
Your a perfect demonstration of the fact that nothing transcends skin color. Your smug whiteness seeps from every post.
I guess "You keep harping on this like a broken record. I happen to live in the real world. I don't make the rules." is supposed to be an answer to the question "Nothing transcends skin color?"
I ask again:
Nothing transcends skin color?
You really, honestly believe that?
Thanks!
There is no egalitarianism.
Not if you vote Republican.
Our pigment predestines our fate.
No. It only indicates what a white-ruled socierty will make of us.
We are trapped by our pigment, and our pigment traps us.
Yep. Like Michael Jackson.
There's no such thing as imagination, ability, intelligence, ambition.
Such attributes are not recognized as existing in the non-white.
I ask again:
Nothing transcends skin color?
You really, honestly believe that?
Describe Condaleeza Rice.
DE, you don't know my color.
You are the racist here, not me.
When you say "nothing transcends skin color," you aren't writing
"nothing transcends blackness," or
"nothing transcends whiteness."
You are making a color-neutral statement.
I know your color perfectly well, TROLL!
Just for sake of argument (if that's what you really want), Hi DE, I honestly believe that nothing transcends skin color. So what's your problem with that concept?
DE, you're one sick puppy, (a Nazi by my diagnosis) and I'm very surprised at the support you get from the lefties here.
My description of Condi Rice? A scholar from Stanford who currently serves in the executive branch of the US govt.
What is *your* description of her?
He claims it makes one a Nazi.
As everyone knows my sole connection to Adolf Hitler is our shared enthusiasm for Broadway Melody of 1940
She's a Fascist.
Like you.
What is my color, troll-caller?
You wrote "The color of one's skin is NEVER transcended."
I call that Nazism.
You can call it whatever you like.
And being nothing more than a TROLL you surely will.
Can't transcend skin color?
NEVER?
Regardless of the color you start with?
I'd suggest you toddle off to bed, TROLL before I call out the black helicopters on your sorry ass!
SullyWatch: Yes, We Have Heaven--thought of that just after I posted...I sold my Fragile CD awhile back in a $$ crunch; working from memory...Wasn't really arguing your points re: ELP--don't know them outside of the 2 or 3 radio tunes ("Welcome Back..." & "Lucky Man")...Don't actually know YES, but I went through an obsessive stage with Fragile...you just reminded me of that aspect of the album...
I imagine their lyrics have some sort of referential meaning, but I've never figured it out--I just choose to celebrate their musicality & general senselessness. I find '70's rock more enjoyable that way...which is why I get fed up with Zeppelin's pretentiousness sometimes...
(studiously avoiding the Lochner stuff as too depressing, and Mr. Title-as-Handle's willful obtuseness as too annoying.)
DE wrote: "I know your color perfectly well, TROLL!"
The guy is one sick puppy.
What is my color, DE?
Hmmm...what color is a butthole?
The thing with identity politicians like Ehrenstein: everything they perceive is prefiltered by the colortest. Words don't have their plain meaning, until they are interpreted through the colortest.
Nothing is true or false, outside of a context. The context is the race of the writer.
If that isn't Nazism, what is?
Then you get the Identity Politics Sycophants like Ron, who have no minds of their own, but hitch their cart to the nearest politically correct horse.
am i the only one who's beginning to suspect that DE and Hi, DE are the same troll?
DE wrote: "I know your color perfectly well, TROLL!"
What is my color, DE?
C'mon, praktike! You yourself criticized DE for using the N-word. Or don't you remember?
DE has never encountered criticism before here at Eschaton, so he's currently at a loss.
Usually all you lefties here KISS HIS NAZI ASS.
He's never had to deal with serious criticism before; that's why he hangs out here in lefty heaven.
"the N-word"?
What's that?
Can you spell out?
What's my color, David Ehrenstein?
You said you knew it.
You are a racist cocksucker, DE.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the pre-Howe and Wakeman Yes, with Peter Banks and Tony Kaye. Did a great version of the Beatles' 'Every Little Thing' on 'Time And A Word.'
My all-time favorite Yes track (and I was a big fan) - their cover of Paul Simon's 'America' for the 1973 compilation 'The New Age Of Atlantic.'
Steve Howe rocked it like never before or since, pulling out every trick he knew - especially the Bill Haley-isms of his fave guitarist Franny Beech.
Heh. Indeed. 
"'Liberty of contract' is nowhere to be found in the Constitution."
Don't look now, Frederick, but you won't find the right to bake pizzas or raise begonias in the constitution, either. What's your point?
Oh, and the trolls are particularly annoying tonight. Too much Halloween candy is my guess.
What's my color, David Ehrenstein?
You said you knew it.
Does Hi,DE! even know what he's talking about?
Then you get the Identity Politics Sycophants like Ron, who have no minds of their own, but hitch their cart to the nearest politically correct horse.
Hey Ron, maybe _you_ know my color!
Or maybe, unlike DE, you might think it makes no difference.
Names & Faces
Friday, October 31, 2003; Page C03
The Simpsons vs. Fox News
Doh! "The Simpsons" creator Matt Groening may have crossed the line with his comment last week to National Public Radio's Terry Gross that Fox media empire almost sued itself. (Now that takes some talent!)
The story goes that Fox News Channel execs were none too thrilled last year when the wildly popular cartoon, which is on Fox Broadcasting, featured a fake news ticker mocking the station's conservative rep. The headlines included gems such as: "Do Democrats Cause Cancer? . . . Study: 92 percent of Democrats are gay . . . JFKposthumously joins Republican Party . . ."
"Fox fought against it and said that they would sue the show," Groening told Gross. "And we called their bluff because we didn't think that Rupert Murdochwould pay for Fox to sue itself. So we got away with it," he said, proud of the accomplishment.
Fox News, however, denies reports that they ever threatened to sue. "We were all scratching our heads and thought it was hysterical," spokesman Rob Zimmerman told us yesterday. "It's not the first time we've been spoofed, you know."
Maybe not, but Groening told Gross during the interview that ". . . Now Fox has a new rule that we can't do those little fake news crawls on the bottom of the screen in a cartoon because it might confuse the viewers into thinking it's real news."
Nonetheless "The Simpsons" (the show, not the characters) issued an apology yesterday: "Matt was being satirical and certainly there was ne
You notice how Nazis like David Ehrenstein go to bed early? It's because of all the cock they suck. It makes them drowsy and slow-witted.
Racist and homophobic...I guess they go together. And about your race, Hi,DE!, for all I know, you're Ward Connerly.
Ron, for all you know, you know shit.
Now, DE, HE KNOWS what race I am. He said so! But he's skedaddled away.
I accused DE of sucking cock, and getting tired from it. That does not make me a homophobe. It makes DE a cocksucker.
[BTW, I recently saw a lot of support for Lenny Bruce among Eshcaton dwellers, so I assume there is no problem with me using the term "cocksucker." Especially when applied to a racist Nazi like DE.]
Ooops, Eschaton, not Eshcaton, nor Eshtrashcan.
I'm afraid I just don't understand what you're getting at.
i think ive seen similar rants from a drug addled rush limbaugh. hi de dollars to donuts you are white. most wingnuts are.
Don't worry Ron, you never will understand what I'm getting at.
Anyway, your head is buried so deep up DE's racist Nazi ass, you have more immediate things to worry about.
Ah, yes, pretzel, those despicable white people!
Finally, one of you lefties is brave enough to write the W-word.
Now we're getting to the root of all evil in the world, the race that DE was too chickenshit to name.
But don't forget what DE wrote: "The color of one's skin is NEVER transcended."
P, how would you apply DE's axiom to the oppressive white wingnut race?
i didnt say white people are despicable. i said you are despicable. its the same kind of confusion that leads wingnuts to claim democrats are attacking america when they criticise bush. see most ku klux klan members are white too--pointing this out has nothing to do with being antiwhite.
Mmmm, P, I think you wrote that most wingnuts are white.
P, I think you seem to care a lot about the race of people you disagree with.
DE brought it up, but was too chickenshit to follow through. You supplied his answer, but why did you?
Why did you write "dollars to donuts you are white. most wingnuts are?" What did you mean by that?
Nice Calvinball reference!
( for the HaloScan impaired: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/No...90/
cb_rules.htm )
DE: What's my color, David Ehrenstein?
You said you knew it.
pretzel: Why did you write "dollars to donuts you are white. most wingnuts are?"
Hey Heidi, for civility's sake, what point is it that you're trying to make?
Surprise! I'm not even a wingnut*! I'm a registered Democrat! A Democrat who's sick up to here with:
- Identity Politics
- Cut And Run War Policies
- Tax Raisers
- Appeasers of Evil Enemies
I'm going to vote in the Demo primary (to fuck it up) then switch my affiliation to Repug. I have no more patience for racist cocksuckers like DE and Ron, shit-for-brains like pretzeldick, Atrios, Krugman, Akerlov, etc.
Hey, assholes, we're at war. Democrats are looking for the quickest way to lose it; I'm looking for the surest way to win it.
[Atrios:
- "There is no way to win the 'war against terror.'
- A pipeline can't be defended. Period.
- Oh Please God Make It All Just Stop!"]
* When you SFB's say "wingnuts," you mean nutso Christian Fundies, of which there are maybe ten or twenty, including Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and maybe a couple dozen other nutcakes. You assholes are more scared of Christian fundies than you are scared of Islamofascist fundies. Hell, I'm more scared of PC fundie Nazis like David Ehrenstein, than I am of SFB Christian fundies like Robertson!
Hey Heidi, what the hell is an SFB?
OT--I think this was discussed on another thread earlier today, but I'm watching a rerun of this morning's CSpan interview w/Ed Schultz, the putative future host of a national liberal radio talk show. There's just something about this guy that makes me dubious. I like the fact that he's a southern-accented, egocentric brawler, and he says some ok things, but his relentless emphasis on his desire to fill a "market-niche" and his continued self-promotion ("Tell your program director to put me on his station and I guarantee you I'll sell ads and get market share. I think there's a void in the industry and I'm ready to fill it...," etc.) makes me suspicious about this guy. He admitted he was a conservative republican until 1998, and I get the uneasy feeling that this whole thing is a performance on his part because he thinks he's smelled a potential untapped market (his show is going to be underwritten by ClearChannel). I may agree that there's an untapped market out there, but I'm afraid there's a trojan horse/Alan Colmes aspect to this dude. But maybe that's just me.
SFB = Shit For Brains.
Hey Heidi, if you're planning on (eventually) flying a Republican flag why do you refer to the GOP as "Repug"?
Repug is common idiom here.
By the way, Heidi, I'm pretty sure there are more than 20 nutso Christian fundamentalists in the U.S.
OK, Hashcrops, maybe thirty.
The threat from the SFB US Christian fundies is not in the same league as the threat from the Islamofascist fundies.
I'm with Hitchens on this. It's nuts to think that Ashcroft (disdains dancing, nude statues, and calico cats) is as big a threat as the Wahabbis (disdain women, gays, freedom.)
Umm, but Ashcroft holds a position of power within the nation, whereas the Islamofascists do not?
(Yet? If an "Islamofascist" were appointed AG I'd probably be rather fucking annoyed, yes.)
But that's all really inconsequential, anyway. Except insofar as it relates to David Ehrenstein. How exactly does your decision to vote "Repug" relate to Mr. Ehrenstein's anti-transcendental comments?
I'm pretty sure Ashkkkroft (local idiom) isn't planning on lighting off A-bombs in several US cities simultaneously. I'm quite sure that the Islamofascists are patiently planning that very thing. If they succeed, what succor will the ironic skepticism of the haughty left give us? The race hatred of the Ehrensteins? The classwar rhetoric of the Michael Moores?
"How exactly does your decision to vote "Repug" relate to Mr. Ehrenstein's anti-transcendental comments?"
My reaction to DE's bigotry is to be repulsed, and to vigorously challenge him. My reaction to Atrios' (and Atrios-style-lefties') tolerance of DE's race-hatred is resigned disappointment. My decision to switch to Repug is based on the points I made at 4:04AM above.
Hash, you put the epithet "Islamofascists" in quotes. I use the term deliberately, so as not to imply that the enemy is all Muslims. I trust you understand the distinction.
While many people consider that album the nadir of progressive rock
You seem to have misspelled "apotheosis," there.
I can't imagine why anyone would think that you couldn't like both ELP and Yes (and Genesis, and King Crimson, and Premiatia Forneria Marconi, and Procol Harum, etc., etc., for that matter).
But then again, I never figured out why people would think it strange to like the Prog Rock giants and also like the Class of '77 (Talking Heads, Clash, Sex Pistols, Sham 69, The Damned, Siouxsie, The Fall, etc., etc.). After all, just because punk was a reaction against prog doesn't mean that they couldn't both be good.
[NEXT WEEK: Country music and Eurodisco!]
Yeh, I only put it in quotes once, though, 'cause I was/am very drunk.
Wow, it's Atrios of Sunhillow
Thank you for reminding me of that album; since the last time I checked, it seems to have finally become available on CD in America! Yeehah.
Hash, LOL! At 5:23AM Saturday, who's awake that _isn't_ drunk?
I'm just gonna have to accept the fact that there are progressively fundamentalist rockers somewhere in the world that want to hurt me.
I think REM has some kind of master plan ...
I'm pretty sure Michael Stipe is one of them there "indentity politicians", though. Not that I know what the fuck "prog rock" is. Or how any of this relates to Herr Ehrenstein.
Nor do I any longer care. Fight the power!
Oh yeah, and Donald Luskin is a fucking stalker. Goodnight, ether.
Re Stipe: Like I Said!
Re Ehrenstein: you can learn all you need to know by reading this thread upward. The guy sees everything in terms of race, first, foremost, paramount. He wrote "The color of one's skin is NEVER transcended." I pointed out, this is contrary to all the best impulses of liberalism, and more akin to Nazism. He proceeded to attack my race (without knowing what it is.) He thinks that he has license to spew the N-word, whenever, wherever, and justifies it by 1) his racial identity and 2) his claim to racial victimhood. When he's called out, he slinks away. The man's a dirtbag.
Hey heidi, I really enjoyed your attack posts (helps to have half a bowl):
When you SFB's say "wingnuts," you mean nutso Christian Fundies, of which there are maybe ten or twenty
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10 or 20 million, according to Rove:
"Karl Rove was disappointed with a turnout of 15 million [christian wingnut] voters in 2000"
http://www.vdare.com/francis/
con...mpt_bushman.htm
Good luck with joining the GOP next year.. you'll obviously fit right in!
why did i write most wingnuts are white? becuase they are. look at the demographics of the audience of the hillbilly heroin addict rush limbaugh.most wingnuts ive met are prejudiced against minorities. again, just go through some of the rantings of rush limbaugh--so black people just dont, as a rule, join the group. weve made enough progress in civil rights and racial relations that these days most republicans, even trent lott, claim to be unprejudiced. hypocricy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.
The LAT review of Reina's story-
http://www.latimes.com/features/...lines-
lifestyle
"Reina is out of television news these days, supporting himself in New York with a smallwoodworking business.
"Looking back on his time with Fox, his greatest concern is for its young staff. "Many of them wanted to be on television but not necessarily in news. They haven't had the benefit of traditional journalistic training, so they're easily molded.
"Time after time I watched what management's politics did to the young anchors. As they near the time to get their own show, the hair gets blonder and the bias gets clearer."
ObAtrios: I like the 'the hair gets blonder and the bias gets clearer' bit!
Brown is a joke. I listened to a portion of her testimony and it was clear that she did not understand the supremacy clause.
A judge who doesn't understand the supremacy clause?
Give me a frigging break.
The Hi DE!/Heidi troll is impervious to facts and statistics or any kind of historical context. In his sorry-ass, warped view, By Decree, America is egalitarian and color-blind, and David Ehrenstein is a racist for pointing out the true nature of things. It would be pathetic if this meme wasn't circulating in the collective mind of White America.
I have no f***ing clue what Heidi's race is, but if she's not Condi Rice, then it's a pretty safe bet she's White.
Also a pretty safe bet that Hi DE! is a self-important college student prick with no experience in the real world.
Defending Lochner? Get real.
Look, let's get something str8. The people on the Volokh's web site are idiots and the fact that they have a weblog is more evidence of the fact that any idiot can set up a web site.
This story really concerned me.
It talks of how staff members of the House Judiciary are looking into a Democratic appointment on the 6th circuit court of appelas.
This is a flagrant abuse of the seperation of powers.
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Republicans Investigate Judge in Michigan Case
Wrongdoing in School Quota Case Alleged
Congressional Republicans have launched a renewed investigation of alleged wrongdoing by a Democratic-appointed federal judge in a landmark affirmative action case -- sparking countercharges that the GOP is using political pressure tactics against the judiciary.
Judges of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit, based in Cincinnati, said staff members from the House Judiciary Committee have visited judges and court officials in recent days -- in two cases appearing unannounced at judges' chambers. The staff members demanded documents and asked to question two Democratic-appointed judges, but the judges refused.
Hey, how did a hijacked thread about Yes become a hijacked thread about DE?
Back on the original off topic thread: Yes' cover of America is great.
On topic: I forget.
Sorry, here is the link to the 6th circuit story.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...-
2003Oct31.html
Hey, kids, come on over to my place and lets all play a nice game of Calvinball and be friendly. It's Saturday, Day of the Dead, time to go out and play.
Or not. I'm going to go out and set up the flags and wickets and if someone can bring a volleyball and football/soccerball, that would be great. Everyone else can wake and bake and listen to some Yes songs, or we can set up the speakers in the windows and listen while we play some righteous Calvinball.
I call "No Babysitter Rule"! Let the games begin!
Morning all. Has the Troll finally passed out?
Just changing my URL and email, nothing to see here, move along.
Man, Shlomo, you nailed it. Point out that someone is being racist and you're accused of being a racist. Point out that someone is trashing the poor and you're accused of engaging in class warfare. Point out that someone is discriminating on the basis of religion and you're accused of being religiously intolerant. It's the up-is-downism thing that's so popular these days...
exorcise the executive, awesome article, thanks!
That troll was MAGNIFICENT. He was simultaneously the most obscene caricature of both a off the deep end right winger AND an insanely out of touch with reality liberal. How he managed that without his head exploding is beyond me.
And what was the shit about Ehrenstein being worshipped here? I worship no man who isn't named Bob Dylan or Steve Earle, and I've certainly disagreed with Ehrenstein enough times to not count myself as necessarily an ally of him.
Is he racist? Yeah, sort of, but I decided long ago that most non-whites are entitled to some degree of racism. Growing up with nothing but Mexicans for friends gives a honkey like me a bit of insight into what it's like for them. Hell, all through high school I harbored an irrational hatred of most white people in general based on the way I was treated by other kids for having "spics" for friends.
Luckily for me, I got over the whole notion that I had to identify with one racial group or another, so I really don't give a shit if Ehrenstein makes generalizations about white folks. I'm a human being first and a caucasian fifth or sixth, so I take no offense at anything he says about my rhythm impaired brethren.
Hey, I've fucked more white guys than you have, Jess!
Given that I've fucked none, yeah, probably.
Honestly E, the only problem I ever had with you was over something you said about the troops, and even that wasn't something that would cause me to take up some retarded crusade against you, or anyone else for that matter.
Well, the troll obviously does't know that der Ehrenstein and I have clashed more than once over something here or over in Salon's Table Talk, (most memorably over Star Wars Episode I; he insisted that it sucked, while I took the position that it sucked but was still Star Wars. We both agree, however, that using a Force choke on Jar-Jar Binks is not going over to the Dark Side, but is instead a perfectly understandable and reasonable way react).
Back on the original off topic thread: Yes' cover of America is great.
Amen. I even have the actual 7" single of it, which was an, umm, ambitious bit of editing on the part of someone at Atlantic Records (successful, too, from the point of view that if you haven't heard their real version, you can both (a) enjoy the edited single and (b) still get a feel for the full version).
Post after post on Yes and not one word about Autosalvage !
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