From the writer's bio: "In 1993, [Kathleen Parker] won the H. L. Mencken Writing Award issued by The Baltimore Sun. The judges praised Parker for "singing another note on the subject of family values and following the tradition of H. L. Mencken in attacking ignorance and stupidity with vividness and originality."
After they get done destroying the country, can we get a list of the proper names of these demons? I'd like to write them into the Necroneocon, and send them to my uncle Lovecraft.
Maybe we should shoot all the Jews! A-ha-ha-ha, just kidding. Aren't we cute? We never mean it, even though all our actions align with the words after all. Isn't that a Neoco-inky dink?
Paul |
11.01.03 - 9:53 am | #
The cool part, of course, is that this Parker woman is lying; she never received any email from a steely-eyed clenched-jawed Delta Force hero-commando at all, she just made that shit up. I mean I might have fallen for it myself except for the Delta Force bit, that's a dead giveaway. Him and his rugged Cherokee sidekick "Chief." Hey, why do the rugged ethnic sidekicks always end up dead in this variety of cheap shitty fiction, anyway?
W. Kiernan |
11.01.03 - 10:00 am | #
I like how conservatives are still presumed to be somehow "contrary" even though they control, you know, both houses of Congress and the White House.
Kathleen Parker's another one of these "Ladies Against Women" who writes things like this and then snipes at others for cussing at the tea party. Our local paper publishes her tripe and I usually skip it in favor of the JC Penney supplement. More useful.
If having somebody you know killed overseas was license for saying stuff like that, then John Kerry and John McCain should have the syndicated newspaper columns listing people who should be killed. Hypocrite.
"In 1993, she won the H. L. Mencken Writing Award issued by The Baltimore Sun. The judges praised Parker for "singing another note on the subject of family values and following the tradition of H. L. Mencken in attacking ignorance and stupidity with vividness and originality."
There was a lot of competition, but the racist and fascist overtones tipped the scale.
Steve Paradis |
11.01.03 - 10:02 am | #
"and who made it all the way through th article to see this:
Ann Coulter Talking Action Figure"
Yes, we can't wait for the first undressed viewing--to answer the Adam's apple question--but I'm sure someone will cut open the head to prove it's anatomically accurate.
Steve Paradis |
11.01.03 - 10:04 am | #
Reading the whole article reassures me that anyone who can master rudimentary English grammar can have a career in punditry. I mean anyone. Anyone. The thrust is, "Americans can die in war, they just can't question the decision to wage it."
Courtesy Josh Marshall, another bulletin from the civility wars:
For instance, there is Eric Massa, until recently on the majority staff of the House Armed Services Committee, chaired by Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.). Massa was a lifelong Republican whose first taste of politics was serving as a page to candidate Ronald Reagan during the 1976 presidential race. But before joining the committee staff, Massa had served in the armed forces, where, among other things, he was a top aide to Gen. Wesley Clark (Ret.) during Clark's tenure as NATO supreme commander. The two were close, so when Clark came to Washington in early October to meet with Democratic congressional leaders at a private residence a few blocks from the Capitol, Massa walked over to say hello. But as the former comrades-in-arms greeted each other warmly on the street just outside the event--Massa never went inside, say other attendees--Republican operatives stationed nearby noticed his presence, and reported back to his staff director, Robert Rangel. Soon after, sources tell "Who's Who," Hunter and Rangel repeatedly told Massa that, given his friendship with Clark, he could no longer work at the committee, but when reporters from a few big-name newspapers heard the story and began calling around, Hunter claimed that Massa had never actually been fired. Fed-up, Massa resigned. No one from Hunter's office was available for comment. Contacted by WW, Massa commented, "I don't hold ill will for anybody. This is about issues, and Clark the man, and I'm going to do everything I can to get him elected."
Brian C.B. |
11.01.03 - 10:11 am | #
This woman won the H.L. Mencken award????!!!! Talk about the decline of quality. I am dying to know which deserving individual got passed over so that this lightweight could get honored.
H.L Mencken was a superior writer and wit, Kathleen Parker is a bored and boring woman who has never written a single memorable thing in her entire life.
SG |
11.01.03 - 10:12 am | #
P.S. I agree with Atrios that if he, Paul Krugman or another liberal to moderate columnist had said this in jest about Republicans, the screaming would be so deafening that it would be the first time the sound barrier has been broken by human voices.
SG |
11.01.03 - 10:14 am | #
Such an outstanding writer's bio. And on the consulting faculty of the Buckley School no less... "Defeating 102 professional contestants, she won the 1993 H.L. Mencken Award, considered by many the top honor for commentary...She makes selective appearances on television’s talking-head shows, including Hardball, The O’Reilly Factor..." Nice.
Mark |
11.01.03 - 10:16 am | #
Someone threatening the lives of public figures should lead to the intervention of the Secret Service, no? And if Kathleen Parker's "source" exists, and she doesn't fess up, she's a co-conspirator.
Steve Smith |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 10:16 am | #
If you had suggested, a la Coulter, that the Wall Street Journal headquarters be bombed, think how fast the Secret Service would be frog-marching you away.
BobNJ |
11.01.03 - 10:19 am | #
Eric Massa story-
"Republican operatives stationed nearby..."
...disguised as squirrels and piles of dogshit...
noticed his presence."
chris c |
11.01.03 - 10:23 am | #
It seems to my rather fuzzy recollection this mornin', that a truck driver in MN got 37 months in a Fed clink fer sayin' sumthing about a "burnin' Bush."
I'm not zactly an English major, but didn't ol' H.L. piss on them gawd fearing christyun family values types?
Kill Dr. Fill Vol. 1 |
11.01.03 - 10:23 am | #
Wow. I had no idea there were actually Ann Coulter wannbes out there. That's sad. Also, depressing. Also, what the heck is an "incipient ass"? Guess her Delta Force friend no speak the English so good.
Raya |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 10:25 am | #
I gather there was no call for Norah Vincent wannabes.
David Ehrenstein |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 10:26 am | #
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "incipient ass" the medical condition that kept Rush Limbaugh out of Vietnam?
Brian C.B. |
11.01.03 - 10:26 am | #
"That spirit is this: Americans are willing to entertain legitimate criticism and discussion, but not bile and invective driven by the politics of self-promotion."
--
Like the right kind of bile and invective? At the right targets? Like getting re-elected?
Liberal History Bias Detector |
11.01.03 - 10:29 am | #
sheesh... Why don't they just come out and finally say it:
"Mr. Bush should "postpone" the upcoming election in order to maintain civil order and to insure a sound victory against the terrorist hoards in the Middle East."
Do they really understand what kind of government they are advocating?
Guy |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 10:29 am | #
Christ, another blond fascist columnist. Are they cloning them in the mountains of Idaho?
T. Wolfe |
11.01.03 - 10:29 am | #
Kathleen wrote me back after I contacted her and said she e-mailed townhall and told them to change "shot" to "slapped." Why don't you shoot her an e-mail and tell her how you feel?
Revisionism at work? Did anyone keep a copy of the original line?
majkia |
11.01.03 - 10:30 am | #
I agree that Parker is lying through her teeth about her "friend and former Delta Force member." Does anyone really believe that the Iraqi insurgents give a shit about the Democratic presidential campaign. I think they're about killing our troops, while trying to stay alive themselves.
TownDrunk |
11.01.03 - 10:30 am | #
now it's slapping.
00000000000VILENIN |
11.01.03 - 10:30 am | #
It doesn't matter to her, if she is telling the truth about the note, because none of these guys is the PRESIDENT. More to the point, none is the REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.
What if Charles Schumer had suggested to Bush that it might not be advisable for him to visit Fort Drum?
(e.g. as with Brother Jesse). Washington would be blown apart.
BobNJ |
11.01.03 - 10:31 am | #
The Kathleen Parker story says "lined up and slapped." Has this been edited or is this a typo? Shot's a lot less civil than slapped, although the sentiment still pretty creepy.
Kathleen Parker is, if I'm not mistaken, the loon who came to the defense of Bennett's gambling hypocrisy by saying, essentially, hypocrisy is good because it means you have values to begin with, unlike liberals, who don't and thus aren't hypocrites. I kid you not - her moral relativism is almost on a par with Coulter's.
xos |
11.01.03 - 10:31 am | #
whoa. did somebody edit that article since atrios linked to it?
But the text doesn't say "shot". It says "slapped".
"These bastards like Clark and Kerry and that incipient ass, Dean, and Gephardt and Kucinich and that absolute mental midget Sharpton, race baiter, should all be lined up and slapped."
Was it changed after Atrios linked to it?
David |
11.01.03 - 10:33 am | #
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "incipient ass" the medical condition that kept Rush Limbaugh out of Vietnam?" - According to The Nation, it was an "anal cyst". Just thinking about it makes me want to gag.
BobNJ |
11.01.03 - 10:33 am | #
I wonder if Kathleen will get her own doll now.
Guy |
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11.01.03 - 10:34 am | #
I notice that it's now "lined up and slapped". I'm sure that's what rough-and-tumble Mr. Delta Force really said, and "shot" was just an unfortunate typo.
Anonymous |
11.01.03 - 10:34 am | #
It said "shot," but when called on it, she changed it. Interesting. She realized her wording was provocative.
When someone pointed it out to her, that is. Hmmm.
pie |
11.01.03 - 10:35 am | #
The article has apparently undergone some corrective editing since you linked to it, Atrios. It now reads "lined up and slapped." Also, I too doubt the existence of Kathleen's "Delta Force" friend, because all the Delta Force guys I know either (a) avoid the use of a word if they don't know its meaning, or (b) look unfamiliar words up in, say, a dictionary:
Incipient adj. beginning to exist or appear.
Matt Edge |
11.01.03 - 10:35 am | #
Um, Atrios, didn't she quote him as saying "lined up and slapped"? Still obnoxious, but not something the Secret Service needs to get involved in.
Margaret |
11.01.03 - 10:36 am | #
just to be sure i understand this, she had them change a quote?
allen |
11.01.03 - 10:37 am | #
OMG! The bastards just changed the text!
ummm... so much for direct quotes!
This proves to me it was all just made up schitt... again..
Guy |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 10:37 am | #
Dear Kathleen Parker:
Please get back to me when you:
a) Learn how to write above a 10th-grade level
b) Have a real quote from real source, that hasn't been edited post publication
just to be sure i understand this, she had them change a quote?
YES. Read the above comments.
pie |
11.01.03 - 10:38 am | #
It's a jounalism no-no to alter quotes from sources. So, does the "Delta Force member" actually exist?
I see that The Townhall is funded by the Heritage Foundation. I guess a note he editor isn't going to do any good.
Tracy |
11.01.03 - 10:38 am | #
Ah, I didn't think about the linked article having been edited/changed. How naive...
Margaret Lyman |
11.01.03 - 10:38 am | #
"Christ, another blond fascist columnist. Are they cloning them in the mountains of Idaho?"
T. Wolfe--
I attribute it to the dangers of unprotected anal sex.
chris c |
11.01.03 - 10:39 am | #
Google, anyone?
dave |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 10:40 am | #
I assume that everyone who patronizes this web site keeps well informed about world events, and so can spot lies in a story like this right away. Most Americans don't study events like we do. They come home from work and read the paper, and if the lies are mixed in well enough with some truth and/or generally agreed upon statements, then the average American isn't going to spend any time researching the assertions in the story.
I completely agree with her criticism of the four democratic candidates who voted in favor of the war. A person of sound judgement would not give a violent moron the authority to wage war at his own discretion. None of these men should expect my vote, now or in the general election.
Maybe one day they will line people like us up and shoot us. But as the saying goes, I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
John Dri |
11.01.03 - 10:41 am | #
She told them to change it to "slapped"? She just edited this message from a "former Delta Force member" (oh, Jeez, at least try to make your fiction slightly credible) at the first sign of pushback? These lying liars are beyond belief.
H.L. Mecken is churning up earth like a rototiller somewhere. This woman isn't even a competent liar, and doesn't have the guts to stand by her lunacy the way Coulter does. But that's her in a nutshell, the Coulter who wants to be loved or I should say, the Coulter who wants to say offensive, divisive things and not have to bear any responsibility for them.
xos |
11.01.03 - 10:41 am | #
The article now says "lined up and slapped."
Guess they realized that this was dangerouly close to a felony, huh?
What ever happened to standing by your reporters (snicker).
If anyone still has the orininal it should be forwarded to the democratic candidates as well as the secret service.
Threatening individuals who are seeking the presidency is not looked upon lightly, even when it's a "mental miget, an "incipient ass" and a "bunch of "bastards."
What I want to know is how did the GOP learn the word "incipient?" Could it be that they are actually reading above a sixth grade level now?
Frightening thought.
Tod Westlake |
11.01.03 - 10:41 am | #
So, is she admitting it isn't a quote? I mean, if she is gonna change it...
Dan |
11.01.03 - 10:42 am | #
It's a jounalism no-no to alter quotes from sources.
Yes, though ethically speaking, you can do it if you present the altered word in parenthesis; i.e., "they should all be lined up and (slapped)." Usually done to mask an epithet.
Oh, but wait, did I say "ethically" in relation to a Kathleen Parker story? Sorry!
dave |
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11.01.03 - 10:42 am | #
The column originally read "shot." Did she misread the note from her "friend"? I don't think so. The entire story is bullshit from beginning to end. She should be fired for blatant fabrication. But, since she's a member of the wingnut weirdos, I guess the rules don't apply to her.
TownDrunk |
11.01.03 - 10:43 am | #
I think KP's Delta Force guy's name is Sgt. Nick Carter.
Kill Dr. Fill Vol. 1 |
11.01.03 - 10:43 am | #
Assuming the Delta Force member is even true (and he's probably not), she's now misquoted the guy. She's undoubtedly making shit up since she's clearly got no problem changing quotes.
Jim E. |
11.01.03 - 10:44 am | #
Good Morning, America!
Welcome to Saturday Morning in Hell!
Guy |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 10:44 am | #
The copy in my browser cache, dated 9:56 AM EST, 11/01/2003, says
should all be lined up and shot
It's 10:28 AM as I write this.
Deny!
You're such a liar
Wouldn't know the truth
Hit you in the eye
I said Parker ain't nothing but a fictioneer, didn't I? took me about fifteen seconds to figure it out. And here she is diddling the record in real time.
Hey Kathleen, did your tough, grizzled Delta Force vet say, "lined up and shot" or "lined up and slapped"? or did he email you back some time between 9:56 and 10:30 and redact his earlier email? or did you just make the whole thing up, hey Kathleen? Ha ha ha!
Next she'll be saying "I never wrote 'shot,' never" Did I have this mendacious so-and-so Parker pegged or what? "Deadeye Bill" they call me, I can see 'em coming a mile away!
W. Kiernan |
11.01.03 - 10:45 am | #
kiernan,
if you can send me a screenshot if the cache I'd appreciate it.
Atrios |
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11.01.03 - 10:47 am | #
I never tire of right wingers offering advice to the Democrats. " Don't question the ( still undeclared ) war." " Don't be Dry Drunk, uh I mean, Bush haters"
Okay thanks for the help.
Oh, and screw you Zell.
Paul ( Minn ) |
11.01.03 - 10:47 am | #
"All this carping and undercutting of our foreign policy - whatever happened to politics stops at the water's edge? - is giving strength and hope to our enemies. That makes them fight harder and longer and in the end costs the very lives they claim to care so much about."
So is Ms. Parker saying Trent Lott should be tried for treason for his comments regarding Bosnia?
dave |
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11.01.03 - 10:49 am | #
By the way, not to quibble too much over one little word, but the word "incipient" means "it's about to happen but it hasn't happened yet" so what Sgt. Nick Carter, Delta Force (ret.) evidently meant in his tough, frank, no-holds-barred assessment from down in the trenches is "Howard Dean isn't an ass today but he's going to become an ass any day now." Just thought you'd like to know so you can get it right next time, Kathleen.
W. Kiernan |
11.01.03 - 10:50 am | #
This is hilarious! I pointed it out to her this morning. Here's our exchange:
X-Apparently-To: oscar2391@yahoo.com via 66.218.93.44; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 05:19:15 -0800
From: "Kathleen Parker"
To:
Subject: RE: Townhall Comment: Lined up and shot?
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:22:37 -0500
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance: Normal
Oh come on. In any case, we changed the word to "slapped." Don't know why
townhall didn't change it. I emailed them personally. kp
-----Original Message-----
From: oscar2391@yahoo.com [mailto:oscar2391@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:13 AM
To: kparker@kparker.com
Subject: Townhall Comment: Lined up and shot?
Shouldn't you address this? Your military friend wants to kill Presidential
candidates? I'm contacting my local Secret Service office (WASHINGTON, D.C.
202-406-8000) to check it out. Are you going to let them know your friend's
name? It seems that if someone had threatened to kill then-Candidate Bush,
Gary Bauer, John McCain, etc., that you'd have something to say about it.
-------
Submitted upon reading this column: http://www.townhall.com/
columnis...p20031101.shtml
Submitted by: BV - oscar2391@yahoo.com
BV |
11.01.03 - 10:51 am | #
"I see that The Townhall is funded by the Heritage Foundation. I guess a note he editor isn't going to do any good."
Yeah, but Kathleen Parker is syndicated all over. If she's carried in your local paper, write to their letters to the editor and point this out. I intend to. The editor of our local paper, while often a Bush apologist, does have journalistic ethics and perhaps your local editors do too.
Yes, I've met one or two alleged special ops guys in my life and while I could see one of them saying "incipient ass" because he didn't know the meaning but had heard the phrase (only applicable to Rush's cyst, as far as I can tell), I can't imagine him wanting to slap another guy. Shot would be more like it.
xos |
11.01.03 - 10:52 am | #
Yeah, it makes so much more sense now, cause Delta Force members are well known for lining people up & slapping them. Who does she think she's fooling? I think Mike Godwin needs to officially suspend Godwin's Law and allow us to make comparisons with Nazi Germany without rebuke.
I wrote to her too, before she changed the "quote" (talk about journalistic standards! Feel free to change "quotes" whenever you want!).
I pointed out that I doubted she actually read her own words. She says "That spirit is this: Americans are willing to entertain legitimate criticism and discussion, but not bile and invective driven by the politics of self-promotion. When people are dying, it ain't kosher. It's also dishonest." right after quoting her "friend's" demand that the Democratic candidates be "lined up and shot...oops make that slapped".
The hypocrisy is laughable....
abby |
11.01.03 - 10:52 am | #
Doesn't this put to rout forever the notion that we need to be civil in our discourse with these SOBS? Presuming there was a discourse to be civil about in the first place?
I think it was Molly Ivins who wrote a liberal is someone who will hear the invective of a conservative and respond by saying, 'you have an interesting point, but...'
Civil discourse is wonderful but when encountered with K. Parker and her ilk, civility is a weakness. Rush got fired from ESPN and not because his opponents were intersted in being 'civil' with him. Parker deserves to be fired. This morning.
Clay |
11.01.03 - 10:54 am | #
"She should be fired for blatant fabrication."
Hmmm, what's good for Jason Blair...
xos |
11.01.03 - 10:55 am | #
Isn't there somewhere on the web where all of these examples of revisionism and redaction are compiled in one place? I just can't waste my time with the likes of Ms. Parker and her GI Joe. "Lined up and slapped?" Where? on the back?
Add her name to the "journalist's" "Wall of Shame."
Yellow Dog |
11.01.03 - 10:55 am | #
Couldn't happen to a nicer person!
By fabricating a threat to a bunch of Presidential candidates, and then covering it up, I'm delighted to assume that Ms. Parker now has an active Secret Service file going.
Since--surely--everything on Eschaton is being watched because of our increased national security needs.
Not that there's anything wrong with that . . .
chrississippi |
11.01.03 - 10:56 am | #
Looks like it hasn't hit the Google cache yet... but someone with better Googling skills than I should really check.
dave |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 10:59 am | #
Is this woman being allowed to breed?
chris c |
11.01.03 - 11:00 am | #
"lined up and slapped" - all Delta force guys say that!
BudMan |
11.01.03 - 11:01 am | #
To change a quote is proof that this is a piece of fiction and some real Delta boys should look Ms Parker up and (slap) her.
cosmic grappler |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 11:01 am | #
If this was said by any "liberal" there would be flashing redlights on Drudge saying how liberals want to line up bush and his cabinet and shoot them...just imagine what these f*** would be doing on talk radio if a similar thing was said about any republiscum.
I think I'll FIRE OFF AN EMAIL TO David Brooks and see what he thinks.
David |
11.01.03 - 11:02 am | #
Someone should write & ask her to change the other instance of shoot to slap so they agree:
"My friend's disgust with the current climate of debate may be extreme but not uncommon, especially among military folks. His remarks also speak to a spirit and a reality that the Democratic candidates might do well to consider before they slap themselves in whatever extremities remain free of self-inflicted wounds."
Lining people up & slapping them is extreme? Look, the entire article makes no sense whatsoever now. She is such a liar, and a cowardly one at that. If you're gonna be a Nazi, you ought to stand up straight & be a proud one, instead of slouching around changing shot to slapped.
My, Xmas is startin' early this year!
Kill Dr. Fill Vol. 1 |
11.01.03 - 11:03 am | #
Atrios, I think Parker's email exchange in this thread would serve as proof of her chickening out and doctoring her "quote" when someone sicked the Secret Service on her.
How do I despise her actions here? Let me count the ways.
The initial remark is contenptible; she fabricated it for cheap macho cred; she then wimped out like a beaten dog and doctored it when someone mentioned consequences. Ptui. I think the email, and her column, need to go to some Dem candidates.
John Isbell |
11.01.03 - 11:08 am | #
as of a couple minutes ago a google news search for "lined up and shot" gets a hit for the article. The original "shot" quote is in the summary.
but when you link to the article, it's the edited version.
petra |
11.01.03 - 11:10 am | #
I just sent Ms Parker an e-mail suggesting that she leave the writing of fiction to us professionals.
God, these people turn my stomach.
cosmic grappler |
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11.01.03 - 11:14 am | #
From David Irving's Action Report (10/12/2002) via CNN and the AP:
SIOUX FALLS, South Dakota (AP) --A man who made a remark about a "burning Bush" during the president's March 2001 trip to Sioux Falls was sentenced Friday to 37 months in prison.
Richard Humphreys of Portland, Oregon was convicted in September of threatening to kill or harm the president and said he plans to appeal. He has said the comment was a prophecy protected under his right to free speech.
Humphreys said he got into a bar-room discussion in nearby Watertown with a truck driver. A bartender who overheard the conversation realized the president was to visit Sioux Falls the next day and told police Humphreys talked about a "burning Bush" and the possibility of someone pouring a flammable liquid on Bush and lighting it.
"I said God might speak to the world through a burning Bush," Humphreys testified during his trial. "I had said that before and I thought it was funny."
Kill Dr. Fill Vol. 1 |
11.01.03 - 11:19 am | #
Ms. Parker lives in Camden, South Carolina.
The nearest Secret Service field office is in Columbia, South Carolina.
Columbia Secret Service office:
Updated Ph. #803-772-4015
give em call, I just did.
The nice lady who answered typed all the info into a report, and she informed me that they would be calling me back shortly.
If I suddenly stop posting here-consider me one of the disappeared, and contact my mother.
chris c |
11.01.03 - 11:20 am | #
It'll be fun to keep an eye out for future Kathleen Parker articles, won't it!
I've e-mailed to all the usual suspects, and will have a link up to it shortly.
Hesiod |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 11:22 am | #
just sent emails to ms. parker and the town hall site. it's so hard to believe that a conservative columnist would actually change the quotes....so I guess I must infer that they all do...what an eye-opener on a satuday. BTW, Dean has a very nice ass
anna |
11.01.03 - 11:22 am | #
I decided to go at her from "her" perspective. We'll see if I get a response:
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Ms. Parker:
I don't know why you felt the need to add a fictional quote to your column,
certainly not one as incediary as the original (changing it, of course, just
confirms the fiction). Doesn't that show disrespect for the troops? I'm
sure there are many in the service who would be happy to be quoted, by name,
in the same way that there was no need for that commander to send form
letters "signed" by his troops to hometown papers.
I actually agree with something late in your column: the fact that the White
House should not prohibit the filming of coffins arriving at Dover. In the
same way, those who wish to castigate war protesters should not fictionalize
the war.
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Betsey |
11.01.03 - 11:23 am | #
If I suddenly stop posting here-consider me one of the disappeared, and contact my mother.
chris c, I hear Cuba is nice this time of year.
pie |
11.01.03 - 11:24 am | #
I just emailed BV's email exchange to Kerry and Clark, as the two military candidates, and a reference to this post. I headed it "Townhall.com says Democratic candidates should be shot", that should get their attention. I've had the standard Kerry acknowledgement.
I love chris c's comment.
John Isbell |
11.01.03 - 11:27 am | #
Then again, if KP's Delta Farce's Injun friend was "Chief," I guess that means the DF kommando's name is Randall Patrick "Mac" McMurphy.
Kill Dr. Fill Vol. 1 |
11.01.03 - 11:28 am | #
Well, the real theme of their whole campaign is that "politics in time of war is unpatriotic."
And, of course, the "war against terror" will never end, so long as a there is a single individual anywhere in the world who might set off a bomb, or pick up a rifle with a sniper scope.
Ducktape |
11.01.03 - 11:30 am | #
The original post by Kathleen Parker (Bush Fedayeen Reporter #6254) was captured by Hesiod and is here: http://www.avatara.com/image001.gif
Guy |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 11:31 am | #
People, people, move along. Nothing at all to be seen here.
BTW, just to clarify: Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
Gary Frazier |
Homepage |
11.01.03 - 11:36 am | #
If I suddenly stop posting here-consider me one of the disappeared, and contact my mother.-
The sad thing is that, although I made a joke about it, I became very nervous about giving the Secret Service my name and phone # and almost didn't do it.
That really, really, sucks.
chris c |
11.01.03 - 11:38 am | #
Gotta...git...offa...this...thread...or...I'
ll...piss...my...pants...
Kill Dr. Fill Vol. 1 |
11.01.03 - 11:39 am | #
Y'all might want to write the Baltimore Sun and ask them to take her Mencken Award back.
The Baltimore Sun Company
501 N. Calvert Street
P.0. Box 1377
Baltimore, Maryland 21278
You can also call them (all departments) at 800-829-8000, or write directly to the Ombudsman (Ed Hewitt) at ed.hewitt@baltsun.com.
Cervantes |
11.01.03 - 11:44 am | #
I knew a Delta Force guy, myself. They are big, not too sharp, and indoctrinated into a level of violence that makes them ultimately unable to fit back in to civilian society when and if they leave the armed forces.
So if I quote him on politics, have I accomplished something great?
These wingnut commentators have some serious penis envy going on. All that animus which they mythologize and idolize in people who have violent jobs like Delta Force shooters seems to count as extra weight in political discussions. It is like the fact that someone is physically fit and as a matter of job responsibility guns people down makes that person's opinion on contemporary politics somehow more .... impacting.
Tell Ms. Parker she looks to me like she needs a really, really good fuck. That is what shows. She needs a good fuck from a big strong man.
But she does'nt need to let that impact her writings on politics.
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 11:46 am | #
To qualify the last statement: I think her reverence and respect for some sort of violent, macho mythologized stereotype of male animus has its roots in her libido not her forebrain, and she should'nt let her sex drive control her thinking about politics.
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 11:47 am | #
Hesiod, I think you already did this, from what you said, but I'm sending Guy's full comment with link to Clark and Kerry.
John Isbell |
11.01.03 - 11:47 am | #
Take a look at the source code of her column. All the paragraphs are run together EXCEPT the one with the "slapped," which stands out neatly in a column. It sticks out like a sore thumb. I suppose the silly bitch changed the text in her original word processing program and pasted it in. I'll mail a screen shot to Atrios.
sagesource |
11.01.03 - 11:49 am | #
Also: the insipid Peggy Noonan seems to have the same problem. She has this errant, mythologized fixation on her perception of machismo, and it controls her thinking. It results in her turning out some of the most vapid bullshit writings available today.
I'll stick to lefty female authors and commentators. They tend to rely on brains first and stupid worshipfulness of mythologized male stereotypes not at all.
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 11:49 am | #
sagesource: that's a red herring, I looked myself.
All: I think I am going to send Ms. Parker and Ms. Noonan together a (politely written) note asking them to please separate their silly, innacurate notions of masculinity, as well as their apparent personal needs and wants in men, from their political thinking, for the sake of us all.
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 11:52 am | #
Someone was also able to get the file out of their cache. It's online here.
Guy |
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11.01.03 - 11:54 am | #
Coperluskinstalkernicus: I think I am going to send Ms. Parker and Ms. Noonan together a (politely written) note asking them to please separate their silly, innacurate notions of masculinity, as well as their apparent personal needs and wants in men, from their political thinking, for the sake of us all.
Don't forget Ms. Dowd at the Times.
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Cervantes |
11.01.03 - 11:54 am | #
I have information on how to report the comment to the FBI and the Secrtet service posted on my blog.
There is no question that were one of us to make a comment like that about President Bush, we'd have John Ashcroft climbing up our asses within a few hours.
The fact that a highly trained killer, i.e. a Delta Forces commando made this comment should be extra creepy to everyone.
Hesiod |
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11.01.03 - 11:56 am | #
Sorry, not a red herring. Notice how her "quotation" BEGINS with a regular quotation mark but ENDS with the HTML CODE for quotation mark. Why? Because she pasted it in from a word processor after the text was on line. Clear evidence of two layers of composition and a hurried attempt at a coverup.
sagesource |
11.01.03 - 11:58 am | #
Take a look at the source code of the original as well. There's no "dropped in" paragraph and no HTML code for paragraph mark, either. The text is continuous.
sagesource |
11.01.03 - 12:01 pm | #
"Close to the Edge"
"Gates of Delirium"
"Roundabout"
"Long Distance Runaround"
Didn't know you were such a YES fan, Atrios!
Alex |
11.01.03 - 12:04 pm | #
Give me a break. I've seen similiar sentiments expressed on this site and hesiod's site. The FBI and Secret Service don't go knocking on your doors any time one of you assholes says that a sitting president and vice president get strung up or shot. This jackass hesiod believes along with you fools that visits from the FBI or Secret Service are necessary because it's democratic contenders for the nomination at question, but neither none of you utter a peep when it's done here.
Just Passing Through |
11.01.03 - 12:05 pm | #
sagesource: of course there was a "coverup". It is obvious. She changed the text after the fact. But it does'nt need the (obvious) proof.
Never mind - I got into a grumpy mood when I read the airhead's article. I am sick of 40ish blond wingnut females authoring "political" writings which seem oddly impacted by a reverence for men who have jobs carrying backpacks and gunning people down.
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 12:07 pm | #
Cervantes: I don't enjoy Dowd's stuff, either, but does she get into the same level of "fixation" for lack of a more polite term on younger, macho shooters in the armed forces as Noonan and apparently Parker?
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 12:08 pm | #
Guy: since you have the original article, I think we ought to deluge Parker with emails demanding that she not change quotes from sources as a matter of integrity.
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 12:10 pm | #
Just Passing Through,
Choke yourself, fuckboy!
chris c |
11.01.03 - 12:11 pm | #
Coperluskinstalkernicus asks about MoDo: does she get into the same level of "fixation" for lack of a more polite term on younger, macho shooters in the armed forces as Noonan and apparently Parker?
I was referring specifically to your request that Noonan and Parker "separate their silly, innacurate notions of masculinity, as well as their apparent personal needs and wants in men, from their political thinking" -- and yes, I think Dowd could benefit from this same advice.
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Cervantes |
11.01.03 - 12:13 pm | #
Speaking of Dowd et al, it has always pissed me off that when the Times and other papers finally caved in and hired a token female, they picked stereotype "inuitive thinkers" like Dowd and Goodman (who's not awful, but not very good). Barbara Ehrenreich and Molly Ivins are smarter and they write better. If you wanted a conservative, there's Georgie Anne Geyer, who succeeds on her abilities. But instead we get Dowd's bitchy fluff.
zizka |
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11.01.03 - 12:16 pm | #
Every neighboring government - and 98 percent of terrorism is about what governments let happen - got the message.
Well, she got this part right, at least. Iran and NK got the clear message that they need nukes NOW to deter Shrubco agression. Syria and Saudi Arabia certainly got the message that they need to keep funneling fighters and money into Iraq to keep the US Army pinned down there so it can't invade anybody else. Isreal got the message that it can butcher Palestinians at will, and invade pretty much anybody it wants, when it wants. The only decent message that's been sent out was sent to Turkey - no, they can't just butcher the Kurds. But yeah, the neighbors got the message all right.
libdevil |
11.01.03 - 12:17 pm | #
Sorry about the lack of endtags there. Maybe I shoudn't be so critical of editorial skills.
Galois |
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11.01.03 - 12:21 pm | #
JPT, for all that we loathe the man, none of us actually make death threats against the president. There's an occasional call for his conviction for criminal offenses, some of such as treason may carry death penalties. (Personally, I'd rather see him convicted of his war crimes in the Hague, and spend the rest of his life in a European prison cell.) And occasional references to carnivorous ducks (do you seriously think we're making threats by talking about hungry ducks?) but that's about it. But we don't threaten to line him up against a wall and shoot him, nor advocate that such action be taken.
libdevil |
11.01.03 - 12:24 pm | #
Let's assume Parker isn't lying (I know, I know). She's instead admitting then that the guy said what he said, and wishes he'd said something different after the fact. So he wants to lie about it. I guess he wimped out (no, I don't find that very credible either).
Whistler to Oscar Wilde:
"I wish I'd said that!"
"You will, Oscar, you will."
And "the Delta Force guy" did.
John Isbell |
11.01.03 - 12:29 pm | #
Zizka- bartcop nailed it-- " Dowd- She hates everyone! "
I can't get behind her when she attacks Dry Drunk because she was such a ( insert bad word ) to Clinton/Gore.
Paul ( Minn ) |
11.01.03 - 12:34 pm | #
Completely and utterly OT, but surfing through Townhall.com after the Parker thing, Bob Nofacts has got a real gem up that only confirms the worst suspicions of us all here. Guess who's really running the U.S. policy? And why?
>>ENDING STEEL TARIFFS
President Bush is ready to roll back his steel tariffs as soon as the World Trade Organization (WTO) rules against them by rejecting a formal appeal by the U.S. government.
Although the Bush administration was split down the middle when the tariffs were imposed last year, all key policymakers now agree the move has been an economic failure. The question has been whether Bush political adviser Karl Rove would go along, but sources now say he is on board for repeal.
"Well, Rove's on board, so we can finally quit fucking the economy for political reasons . . . "
Holy Hayzeus. These clowns aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
chrississippi |
11.01.03 - 12:40 pm | #
Well everyone knows what an expert Rove is on the international steel trade.
He's probably also deciding when to remove the troops from Iraq.
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 12:49 pm | #
Dear Editor,
I would like to ask you to investigate the truth behind a Kathleen Parker's Nov. 1 column, in which she quotes a "a friend and former Delta Force member" as saying that the current field of Democratic Presidential candidates "should be lined up and shot" (later changed to "slapped").
This conveniently outspoken "friend" was scarcely credible to begin with, but Parker's choice to modify his words after they had already been published seems to indicate quite clearly that he is completely fictional. If, in fact, this "friend" and the "note" he supposedly sent to Parker actually exist, then your readership should be informed as to which quote was the correct one. If he does not exist, as Parker's readiness to change her "quotation" would imply, then your readership should most certainly be informed, and an investigation into Parker's previous work undertaken. If she is lying about this "friend," what other convenient "information" may she not have invented?
Please discover and publish the truth about Parker's "friend" as soon as possible.
I expect that the Democratic candidates will take their usual pussified approach to this outrage, but they shouldn't. Until it's proven that this violence-worshipping harridan was lying (by her public admission), it should be assumed that a former Delta Force member intends to assassinate the candidates. Hasn't this wingnut invective just about reached its limits? Some unstable winger (is there any other kind?) may have read this column before it was altered, and may decide to beat the Delta Force member to the punch.
TownDrunk |
11.01.03 - 12:53 pm | #
E-mail the screen shot to the candidates if enough of us do they'll get the message.
Drew |
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11.01.03 - 1:00 pm | #
Are they rehearsing the "stab in the back" rhetoric already? Things must be worse than any of us can imagine...
Dermot |
11.01.03 - 1:09 pm | #
Here is Ms. Parker's response to my e-mail to her:
"That quote was changed to 'slapped' last week before the column was supposed to be published - it's embargoed until Sunday - at my 'friend's' request after I ran it by him. He felt it needed to be toned down, and I agreed. You can see it at my home paper's website: www.orlandosentinel.com
Unfortunately, Townhall failed to make the change. It's a flawed system."
Parker did not respond to my other question/observation, which was,
"Do you really believe that the rate of attacks on U.S. forces has roughly tripled since July because the Iraqi resistance is listening to Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt? Are you that divorced from reality? This war is a disaster (as millions upon millions of us predicted before it happened), as is every damned thing your president does. It is not treason or disloyalty, but rather the opposite, to point that out and urge in the strongest possible terms that the S.O.B. be removed from office."
Frederick |
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11.01.03 - 1:13 pm | #
D'you suppose the Secret Service would investigate ME if I said that I just got a note from a friend and former Delta Force member, who has been observing American politics from the trenches, in which he states that "Bush, that cowardly ass Cheney, that unstable bastard Rumsfeld, and the incompetent Wolfowitz should all be lined up and sh - I mean, slapped?"
RoguePlanet |
11.01.03 - 1:15 pm | #
My response to Parker:
So I guess its okay for the cheap vicious political attacks on the previous President, but now all of a sudden thats taboo? Its your ilk that dragged political discourse throug the mud in the 90s, now its coming back to haunt you. And by the way, quoting the person who said "they should be lined up and shot" was reprehensible on your part. How about talking to military personnel who are unhappy and disillusioned with the situation? Oh, and by the way, how many injured soldiers have you visited? How many funerals have you attended?
Hawthorne Wingo |
11.01.03 - 1:21 pm | #
Here is Ms. Parker's response to my e-mail to her: "That quote was changed to 'slapped' last week before the column was supposed to be published - it's embargoed until Sunday"
Huh. Parker's column is my local newspaper this a.m. with the offending sentence omitted entirely.
RoguePlanet |
11.01.03 - 1:21 pm | #
atrios, you must feel pretty powerful these days.
it's pretty to fun to watch what happens when you skewer people like this. The blogosphere doesn't lay down and take this BS, and I hope this mentality trickles upwards to the DNC, the DLC and the candidates.
praktike |
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11.01.03 - 1:30 pm | #
Lined up and shot, eh? These folks would make good Stalinists. BTW, tell me again about how the Republicans believe "politics should stop in time of war". Is that why they were so nice to FDR and Truman? Is that why they were so nice to Johnson? Is that why they zipped their lips about Clinton while our troops were in Kosovo?
The Ox |
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11.01.03 - 1:30 pm | #
Credit hesiod, not me. I meant to link to his post on this rather than her original article, but had the wrong link in the C&P buffer and didn't notice.
Atrios |
11.01.03 - 1:31 pm | #
I just filled their inbox with email containing the following subject: lined up and shot? Sick Bitch
Tom P. |
11.01.03 - 1:33 pm | #
Wait - KP said "at my 'friend's' request" ? (as per Frederick's post)
Uh, why "friend" in quotes ? Has she been talking to her imaginary friends again ?
a |
11.01.03 - 1:41 pm | #
Oh, I suspect her "friend" is real, and that she really thinks he's former Delta Force. I'm thinking she just got all swoony over the real life equivalent of Bill Paxson's character in True Lies. And that he chickened out on the quote when she told him she was going to publish it.
wolfstar |
11.01.03 - 1:44 pm | #
Just wondering ...
... anyone think to check out recent U.S. combat deaths in Afganistan? Perhaps the absence of a Native American Indian KIA might speak to the fictional nature of her Delta Force friend.
jgram |
11.01.03 - 1:47 pm | #
I know my ideas are better than yours because if your ideas were better than mine I'd have killed you already.
Perfectly reasoned.
So take that!
(I just love the fact that arguments cannot be engaged on their own terms by the right wing. It's all ad hominem and appeals to authority. Logic 101 fallacies; no honest debate.)
Hudson |
11.01.03 - 1:51 pm | #
There is a point to what TownDrunk said in his 12:48 post. This crazy god damn woman has given a forun to someone who advocates violence to the Democratic candidates. The socalled former Delta Force member might exist wholy in her imagination or he just might be real. Either way, the Secret Service should pay this woman a call. She is fucking crazy and her public should know just how crazy she is.
Joe D |
11.01.03 - 1:57 pm | #
And modesty to boot. Goddamn, you got it all Atrios.
Lloyd |
11.01.03 - 1:58 pm | #
jgram -- I checked and there was recently a Blackfoot tribe member, William Carlson, killed in Afghanistan. His funeral was yesterday.
Galois |
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11.01.03 - 2:08 pm | #
Politics stops at the water's edge. My country (fearless leader) right or wrong. Do these people even listen to themselves?
PapaGringo |
11.01.03 - 2:14 pm | #
It is like the fact that someone is physically fit and as a matter of job responsibility guns people down makes that person's opinion on contemporary politics somehow more .... impacting.
What worries me is not just that Parker wrote what she did, but that many people also feel this way about macho types in politics.
E.g. all the Californians who elected the Gropinator. They no doubt view his action hero roles as representing his "real" character.
We have entered the Middle Ages. A violent time when big men in full armor hacked at each other with swords. Furthermore, a Middle Ages without chivalry.
sara |
11.01.03 - 2:19 pm | #
I love this boilerplate at the bottom of the article:
"Want to take action about what you have just read?
Then write a letter to your Members of Congress or your local newspapers, who you can find by entering your ZIP code in the boxes below. Also make sure to tell your newspaper editors that they should carry your favorite conservative columnists!"
I don't think so, KP!
Niall McAuley |
11.01.03 - 2:29 pm | #
jgram -- I checked and there was recently a Blackfoot tribe member, William Carlson, killed in Afghanistan. His funeral was yesterday.
Galois |
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11.01.03 - 2:43 pm | #
would this also make assasinating a president ok as he is on the other side.
pansypoo |
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11.01.03 - 2:43 pm | #
What worries me is not just that Parker wrote what she did, but that many people also feel this way about macho types in politics.
E.g. all the Californians who elected the Gropinator. They no doubt view his action hero roles as representing his "real" character.
It's not the ones who elected him that worry me. It's the ones who harassed & beat up people with signs against him. This is going to be the ugliest election since '68. The thugs will be out in force.
I find that many, many people in America - including a LOT of women - have a particularly asinine approach to male stereotypes. In particular, there is the MYTHOLOGY of the male power and violence. I am not a peacenik wimp myself, in fact, I have been mano a mano in the unarmed sense, as an adult, before. It sucks. People lose teeth, eyes, and suffer crippling joint damage.
I really, really resent the Noonan/Parker types who attach so much weight to an "image" of power and macho violence pursued by some men in the public sphere, and it is never surprising to me to discover that both the men and women in these cases are pampered and have never seen the reality of physical before.
I also particularly DEPLORE the worshipfully sexual subtexts in the writings of Noonan and this Parker woman. There is an immense problem in America with a culture of people that largely never sees so much as a punch thrown in anger and so mythologizes male power and violence. It is a dangerous problem.
With regards to Schwarzengroper, I could'nt agree more that the image of macho power is the only thing that gave the man a film career, let alone a politics career. The fact that an increasingly obese, powerless, passive public worships such a figure for an image - and only an image, Schwarzengroper certainly has never so much as broken a nail in any real tussle himself - is a bad thing.
Its how presidents get approval ratings boosts by starting wars in which hyper-armed, technologically advanced soldiers fight a video game war against outdated, unprotected, defenseless little countries with the result of tens of thousands of never-counted deaths.
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 3:20 pm | #
none of that will have effectively come across, but never mind -
Coperluskinstalkernicus |
11.01.03 - 3:28 pm | #
Ain't that the truth (long comment, not short one).
John Isbell |
11.01.03 - 3:33 pm | #
So why isn't La Parker being treated like this guy?
Man Sentenced for 'Burning Bush' Comment
By Associated Press December 6, 2002, 2:37 PM EST
SIOUX FALLS, S.D. -- A man who made a remark about a "burning Bush" during the president's March 2001 trip to Sioux Falls was sentenced Friday to 37 months in prison.
Richard Humphreys, of Portland, Ore., was convicted in September of threatening to kill or harm the president and said he plans to appeal. He has said the comment was a prophecy protected under his right to free speech.
Humphreys said he got into a barroom discussion in nearby Watertown with a truck driver. A bartender who overheard the conversation realized the president was to visit Sioux Falls the next day and told police Humphreys talked about a "burning Bush" and the possibility of someone pouring a flammable liquid on Bush and lighting it.
"I said God might speak to the world through a burning Bush," Humphreys testified during his trial. "I had said that before and I thought it was funny."
dave |
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11.01.03 - 3:34 pm | #
I guess the thing to do is kill the president without mentioning the plan beforehand.
AlanH |
11.01.03 - 3:45 pm | #
P.S. I know full well that making such a remark is a bonehead idea. And no, I never have killed anyone, nor ever will. But damn it, I want free speech.
AlanH |
11.01.03 - 3:49 pm | #
I have been getting the forwarded posts of one of my nephews (in the service but not in Iraq or Afghanistan) of his various friends and friends of friends who are serving in Afghanistan and Iraq. I can barely bear to read them, but I read them anyway because I think it a disservice to refuse to hear the voices of people who have placed their lives at risk for my sake, in however misguided a fashion I believe that they may have been deployed. The idea that these fellows are following the Democratic candidates for president or blaming them for anything taking place in their current tour of duty is laughable. What comes through these posts is the sense of confusion and concern: Who of us wants to believe that what we are doing is useless or wrong, or only marginally less troubling, wrongheaded? No, what comes through is the hope that they are serving a just cause, clouded by the increasing fear that they are not and the utter sense of hopelessness that no one is looking out for their welfare. Quite apart from the fear for their own safety and the heartbreak of losing friends, which comes through loud and clear as well.
Lined up and slapped. That's a good one. Maybe that's what would happen if the world were run according to Charlie Chaplin. Yes, I think that sounds like a swell idea.
Barbara |
11.01.03 - 3:49 pm | #
I wrote to Parker once earlier today and now I'm going to write again and tell her that Clark has already been shot - a number of times in Vietnam and awarded medals for it, unlike Bush, who was AWOL for a year.
Ev |
11.01.03 - 3:54 pm | #
John Kerry, as well . . . served in the Navy and was decorated multiple times, including several purple hearts.
Barbara |
11.01.03 - 4:03 pm | #
"Lined up and slapped."
Was this guy a member of Delta Force...or the Three Stooges.
Hesiod |
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11.01.03 - 4:28 pm | #
Why not establish a Right Wing Incivility Watch? Why not notify the Secret Service of anything on the Right that smacks of advocacy of violence? All this talk of liberal "incivility" is part of a plan to de-legitimize dissenting discourse, and has to be met head-on.
BobNJ |
11.01.03 - 4:29 pm | #
... the utter sense of hopelessness that no one is looking out for their welfare.
Wait'll they come home and find out the Drunken Fratboy has slashed veterans' benefits and hospitals. Cue muted trumpet: wa-wa-waaaaaah!
dave |
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11.01.03 - 4:31 pm | #
When I e-mailed Ms. Parker, she replied that in her initial, original, 1st draft, pristine column, her Delta Force fantasy hunk was quoted as saying, "Ooo, those Democrats make me so mad, I could just scratch their eyes out!" Ms. Parker attributed that odd phraseology to the recent sodomy ruling of the Supreme Court.
Metropolitan99 |
11.01.03 - 4:45 pm | #
Well, I sent an email to townhall and copy to Parker asking them to terminate any contract they might have with her. I signed my real name to it... I hope I haven't stepped in a pile of doo-doo.
prancing keg |
11.01.03 - 4:49 pm | #
I sent the following to Parker:
Your column citing an unnamed Delta Force soldier: Did he really say the candidates should be lined up and ``slapped?'' That seems a trifle reserved for an angry Delta Force soldier. I wonder if your typing was as misdirected as your politics.
As for the notion, employed by the administration and its naive followers such as yourself, that one cannot criticize the conduct of a war after supporting its authorization, which was itself based on demonstrably false evidence: It's unAmerican and disngenuous, qualities we have come to expect from inside the Beltway. You would never espouse such a totalitarian proposition if the Democratic Party was back in the White House.
Zell Miller has turned his back on party and principle in supporting Bush's misguided and constantly mutating foreign policy as somehow more ``trustworthy'' than the remedies offered by his opponents. He should end the charade and switch parties, because he is clearly more disposed to the cold comfort of the Republicans bleak message. It's a shame to lose him.
secularhuman |
11.01.03 - 5:53 pm | #
"So why isn't La Parker being treated like this guy?"
Well, that guy had the nerve to make a sign and carry it somewhere where Our Clueless Leader might actually see it. Parker published her comment in the newspaper, where Incurious George was certain never to see it.
algol |
11.01.03 - 6:05 pm | #
Can't add anything, if I could knit her name would be going into the scarf tonight. I can write though. Citizens, keep her in mind and oil the trundel.
EPT |
11.01.03 - 7:13 pm | #
mmmmm.. right-wing desperation. good to the last drop.
Anonymous |
11.01.03 - 8:21 pm | #
No patriotic American should be satisfied until Ms. Parker is in jail for this. She cannot be permitted to advocate the killing of Presidential candidates. If a federal prosecutor does not bring charges tomorrow, then the message will be that it is acceptable, even right, to kill the President, or Presidential candidates, if you don't agree with their politics. We must demand prosecution to protect the leaders of our party!
wetzel |
11.01.03 - 8:37 pm | #
The sock puppet she stores her vibrator in is named Jim. He's Special Forces, and he kisses real good too. When she was 14, she won a contest about Why Jeebus Didn't Hold Hands. She loves to pet her poodle, and likes to put hearts where the dots go on her 'i's.
Now, I'd like to see even Special Forces Dream Guy try to slap Al Sharpton. He'd be going for his boot-knife (or maybe the one in his beltbuckle) just in self-defense. And if she tried to slap Lieberman, she'd probably have more than the SS to worry about (ADL presumably not so friendly to slappers).
But at least if he/she/them made like slapping Dr. Dean, he could write her a scrip for Chlorpromazine, which is an excellent anti-psychotic for those whispering voices she tries to quote. She can also ask the magenta-colored elves that walk through her walls what they suggest for getting Sharpie ink off her computer monitor, where she 'fixed' the quote the first time around.
Paul |
11.01.03 - 10:26 pm | #
IMHO, Ms. Parker should be lined up and slapped.
moonbiter |
11.01.03 - 10:28 pm | #
"We must demand prosecution to protect the leaders of our party!"
We have leaders?
(Nice puppies. Sit up and beg! There's a good doggie).
Paul |
11.01.03 - 10:29 pm | #
I'm betting her soldier boy said ``insipid ass'' when referring to Dean and she just can't spell. If there even is a soldier boy.
and whatever it is she was writing, please be clear that it is NOT journalism that she's practicing. Journalism is not having your unnamed friends make an ad hominem attack and then make believe it's reporting. It's just propaganda spew.
secularhuman |
11.01.03 - 10:35 pm | #
I sent an email to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which carries Parker's columns, informing the Editor, Martin Kaiser, of this incident. If your local paper publishes her articles, tell them about this and include the link to the capture of the original post: http://www.avatara.com/parker110103.htm
jdancingkid |
11.01.03 - 11:23 pm | #
No, I think incipient is probably what was 'meant,' not insipid, which is not a descriptor most people would put on Dean.
The mystery alter-ego is referencing the GrOPer canard that Dean is emerging from the pack by being an ass, which is hilariously untrue.
Bx was the original Incipient Ass, and it is a title he will never throw off, though he has replaced it, by considerable trading-down, with the title War Criminal.
I got an idea: let's fly the Incipient Ass into Iraq and let him slap the AK-carrying relatives of the children he killed, see what it gets him.
Paul |
11.02.03 - 4:28 am | #
I sent the following to the Orlando Sentinel. This should be brought to the attention of every newspaper that carries this bilge.
To the Editor,
You are presently running a column by Kathleen Parker entitled "Politics are out of place in time of war".
The column quotes an alleged Delta Force "friend" of Ms. Parker's saying "These bastards like Clark and Kerry and that incipient ass, Dean, and Gephardt and Kucinich and that absolute mental midget Sharpton, race baiter, should all be lined up and slapped."
When the column was originally posted at townhall.com the final phrase was "lined up and shot" which Ms. Parker changed after the fact, the proof of which is all over the internet (and can be viewed here: http://www.avatara.com/parker110103.htm).
Aside from which statement is more believable coming from the mouth of an alleged "Delta Force member," this is questionable behavior from even a self-styled journalist, and it would seem prudent for a legitimate newspaper to look into whether or not this source even exists, and why Ms. Parker changed a direct quote from him.
I should also point out that at least two of the Democratic candidates for President have already been shot - Wesley Clark and John Kerry — and between the two of them they received twenty military service medals, including four Purple Hearts*. That's twenty more than all the medals earned by Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rove, Perle, etc. combined.
Sincerely,
R. Porrofatto
*Mr. Clark was awarded five Defense Distinguished Service Medals, two Army Distinguished Service Medals, the Silver Star, four Legion of Merit Awards, two Bronze Star Medals and the Purple Heart, while Mr. Kerry won a Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
R. Porrofatto |
11.02.03 - 9:15 am | #
To be in Delta Force you have to pass many difficult proficiency tests in slapping. Hanky slapping, bare palm, slapping with a wet noodle.
They don't use guns, just hand to face combat.
Of course in common talk, the phrase "somebody should be lined up and---!" usually ends with SHOT. I've never heard it any other way. But then I'm not in Delta Force!
Or beaten with a tire iron.
Not really Michael Graham |
11.02.03 - 5:27 pm | #
Maybe she meant 'lined up and paddled,' and is flashing back to her sorority days. Afterwards, all the candidates should be forced to parade around the quad in their bra and panties.
Oh, wait, they're guys...if they want to join Bx's fraternity, they have to be ready for the broomsticking and the branding and the education in the methods of treason.
Paul |
11.02.03 - 7:55 pm | #
Don't forget Barbara Bush is another one of these women who like to threaten to kill anyone who gets in their way. Then again, there's meek little Laura Bush, who actually HAS killed!
Anonymous |
11.02.03 - 10:56 pm | #
I love political discourse in this country. The people who disagree with you should apparently be shot and/or slapped (do the slapping first, I suppose) and shouting "shut up!" to someone is a perfectly legitimate form of debate (I would love to see O'Reilly at a straight-up hard-core forensics event...the dude would choke like a president on a pretzel).
Anyway, Atrios just posted that other link about the "creepy Catholics" who foresee a violent of revolution dividing right and left.
When these people think in terms of "shooting," "slapping," and "shutting up" their enemies, I fear Mr. Creepy Catholic might get his way someday.
Informis |
11.03.03 - 11:03 am | #
The local fishwrapper printed Parker's column in Saturday's paper, and it says "shot".
Ab_Normal |
11.03.03 - 12:33 pm | #
Along the same lines, on Halloween night the Savage Weiner was proclaiming on his Clear Channel program that all liberals literally should be locked up. Apparently we pose a clear and present danger to the nation. If you can find a transcript of this show, you should post it; the man is scary in what he wants to do to us for daring to have an opinion different from his.
Aaaargh |
11.03.03 - 1:53 pm | #
Thanks R. Porrofatto for your well written letter to the Orlando Sentinel. I sent the Sentinel an email but your letter nailed it.
One question: Do you know which version was actually published in the print edition of the Sentinel?
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