I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I'm committed to Clark -- but I love this Kerry site, and have nothing but respect for the man.
If Kerry is the nominee, I'll walk precincts for him till I'm blistered.
And he's showing a mean streak of cool by advertising on Eschaton!
Thanks, Atrios, for not endorsing anyone. I don't want this to turn into an internecine battle board. I'm doing all I can for Clark, but it's nice to have a place where I can talk to Dean people on our common ground without having it turn into a shouting match.
And don't worry: I don't thing anybody is peeved by things like this--AT ALL.
The Kerry ad is great! Right on!
I'll be interested to see -- if there is any way such things can be seen -- whether it helps Kerry to advertise here. The nature of Eschaton is that people who read it tend to be pretty well-informed, and therefore (one hopes) less likely to be swayed by advertising. Then again, as Broken points out, advertising here is one of the first signs from the Kerry campaign that it might be hipper than we thought -- so who knows?
Oh, and feel free to critique it. I don't know if the campaign is reading or not, but they should be. And, if they're thin skinned, they shouldn't be advertising on blogs...
The Kerry campaign is showing much respect to Atrios.
I'm liking Howard Dean and John Edwards right now, but it would be fine with me to vote for John Kerry as well. No problem at all.
Another Clark supporter here. LOVE that Kerry page. We need more of that very thing as a theme for the party as a whole. When Gephardt called this presidency a "miserable failure" he shot UP on my personal radar. We need more of that kind of language (resonant and true) and more sites like Kerry's. I agree with Goldstone; if my guy doesn't make it and Kerry does, I'll be glad to "blister up" as well.
Kerry is the guy I want to support. Dean's been Bush's strongest critic and I find that very attractive in a candidate. I do have a weakness for Rhodes Scholars from Arkansas so I could lose my heart to Clark. More ads like this and I'll feel more confident in going with Kerry.
giving to Kerry, and will give 'til it hurts to whoever is the nominee is.
hey what about "Tales from Topographic Oceans"?
Kerry, edwards, gephardt, Lieberman and Clark are all the DLC corporate crony candidates.
Sharpton and Kucinich have the best messages. But, sad assed Democrats will not support either of the two. In Rev Al's case it could be due to subtle racism.
Braun, I don't know that much about. She did have some money scandal in the past.
Dean seems the most electable, and the third choice for real change. Unfortunately the DLC Clinton wing fear his candidacy for just that reason.
I can definitely vote Sharpton, Kucinich first. Dean as second choice.
Braun maybe.
The rest of the rat fucks, I will never vote for. I will tell people not to vote or vote Green or Pot party before voting Democrat if it is either of them.
Why does anyone want Bush lite smile while stabbing you in the back Democrats? No matter how "nuanced" their psoitions are.
O/T, but what's with the Yes titles, Atrios? That made me do a double-take.
Right now, I prefer Clark, but Kerry would be fine. I think that they're--and Gephardt--more electable than Dean. But I will say this:
Whomever the Democratic candidate is, I will be campaigning for him next year.
For that reason, the worst thing we can have is this big field. We need to decide on a candidate early, and push. I wish to God that we had some real convention, early, even a smoke-filled room, to get a candidate up. Even--wince--Lieberman. Any Democrat is better than Whistle-ass.
YES!
just kidding, I support Clark.
"Whoever." Predicate nomnative. Forgot.
How about those Yankees? Uhh well, maybe that wasn't the best change of topic, but guys, we're starting to do here just what was stated as a hoped against activity. We, most of us if I remember, have all agreed that we would support whoever the nominee(Dean) is, even if it's Lieberman. So let's just try to cool(Dean)it on the my candidate(Dean) is better(Dean) than yours stuff. We're all grownups(Dean) here and can rise above(Dean) the petty politics. That's all.
DaVe - you are excused, I guess you can vote for Nader again.
I can be bought too, but I support Kerry for free. I suspect he's going to lose, but he's who I'd like in the White House. Go Kerry.
Kerry has a 90% voting rating from the AFL-CIO.
Oh: about a month ago, if you emailed Kerry, you got a reply in a week or two. Now they reply in about ten minutes. I think they're getting hipper (they have new campaign chairs, Shaheen and Harold Ford).
And The Daily Kos refrain: any Dem gets my vote.
You're moving up in the world, bwah! Can Victoria's Secret be far behind???
I want to go on record, right now, as supporting Victoria's Secret for the presidency, in preference to Whistle-ass.
I'm a Dean guy, and I like the Kerry page a lot. I'd totally vote for him if he were the nom. Not sure I'm an ABB voter, though--still unclear if I'd vote for Revoltin' Joe.
I don't know if I can justify supporting anyone whose webmaster doesn't know the difference between "images\photos.gif" and "images/photos.gif".
Sheesh!
Nah, any democrat gets my vote, but it'll be very -- very -- verrrrry grudgingly if it's lieberman.
-gleam
BTW, I like the blogad more than the site... they shoulda kept with the "Uncurious George" theme...
I had no idea it was a Kerry ad until I clicked on it.
Should they be doing teaser ads or should they identify who the ad is for up front? Maybe just an indentifier line at bottom?
I'll vote for a ham sandwich before I vote for Bush.
But no matter who gets the nomination, I insist that Al Sharpton get Doughboy McClellan's job.
Yeah I kicked in some money just now. I quit giving to Kerry when he started trashing the other candidates, but ever since that other campaign manager quit, he's gotten better.
Every time I wrote his campaign about an issue I got some generic, imperial reply some weeks later that had nothing to do with my question, a la DiFi and Boxer. I'll see if that gets any better, but meanwhile I'll take the word of the persons above.
Speaking of DiFi and the California Democratic Party, they need to get ON their ASS as well. I am profoundly disappointed in their organization. Just try contacting anybody about an issue and there is NO response, just some imperial generic form letter. No answer to phone inquiries whatsoever. We could LOSE California unless these dimwits get a clue. That means you, Diane. And you, Barbara. And you, Henry. And you, Diane Watson.
I worked the phone banks during the recall, and I can tell you that among the ardently Democratic voters I talked to, they liked CAMEJO the best, in the debates. WAKE UP CDP!
Disclaimer: I'm ABB, not green.
cat: now if you email Kerry you get a generic reply in about two minutes (I just did). Alas, A Blog had a bunch of abortion links I emailed to seven candidates: Kerry emailed me his abortion record within a couple of hours, CMB emailed me a unique, two-line reply the next day, and that was about it. It may depend on the issue. I emailed Kerry about the DOJ redacting half their diversity report and getting caught, and I got his voting record on labor rights and diversity. Semi-relevant. But it does mean they actually looked at the emails.
Excellent ad.
Short, to the point, and doesn't even mention The Big One (execpt by inference) in the five talking points.
The Dems should be competing to see who can pound the fratboy coward's worthlesll lying ass the deepest into the ground, and who can assemble the baddest pack of prosecutors to deport the fascist prick and Unca Dickhead to The Hague for their war crimes tribunal.
John--
I'm encouraged....I have no objection to the candidates sending (li'l ole) me canned replies. I'm certain they must be very careful in their responses; in addition, I'm sure the sheer volume precludes sending personalized replies in most cases. Dedicating staff members to wo/manning the email correspondence, it seems, is a necessity.
It's nice to see that the candidates, at least, are waking up. I wish the actual office-holders would wake up as well.
I have rarely contacted the candidates, but have written numerous letters to members of the House and Senate about pressing issues; the casualities in Iraq, the condition and treatment of the wounded and other vets, the obfuscation of the true number of Americans KIA, the sliming of Mr. and Mrs. Wilson, the verified-voting issues, are among the most recent.
I have been sorely disappointed, profoundly disappointed, in the people whose salaries I pay and who I voted into their current job. Diane, Barbara, Henry, Diane W.; this means YOU.
disclaimer: I am ABB, not green.
"Five percent for nothing"? I don't remember a YES song by that name!
"Close to the Edge"
"Gates of Delirium"
"Roundabout"
"Long Distance Runaround"
Didn't know you were such a YES fan, Atrios!
alex, it was an album
DaVe - you are excused, I guess you can vote for Nader again.
BudMan
Nader didn't lose anything for Gore. face facts. Gore and a stolen election lost for Gore.
Of course some idiots choose to blame anyone but themselves. Who are you blaming for Arnolds victory? The Democrats who didn't turn out? The Democrats who vited for Arnold?
I bet Nader caused that loss as well.
Nader caused the Democrats to lose big time on every issue since 2000, right?
Yours is no disgrace unless you're for Lieberman. ABB is fine if your A can actually beat B. And you don't have to wear a tinfoil hat to wonder if the Dem leaders really intend to win. The war vote alone has gotta make you wonder whose side most of these guys are on--including Kerry, I'm sorry to say. I'm for Dean, FWIW.
Let's see, Kerry takes on Dean's 92 gun position while making the most of a pheasant hunting photo op. Somehow, Kerry just doesn't strike me as a straight shooter!
Alex, Praktike:
no, "Five Percent for Nothing" is a 20-30 second track at the end of Side 1 of Fragile...It's the solo-virtuoso contribution of the guitar player (can't remember the name).
I'll take any of the democratic candidates, even (oh, lord,) Lieberman. And I second the coment by Seraphiel - I'd vote for a sandwich over Bush, as well.
However, I want to go on record as stating that I definitely do NOT support Victoria's Secret for president.
Get over it, guys, those shots are all computer-enhanced. (Ok, yes, I'm jealous.)
IS THAT IT?!!
IS THAT *ALL* THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE AS INCENTIVE TO VOTE HIS WAY AND AGINST BUSH?!
Why not put out an extensive and detailed analysis of everything this man has done?
Why not reveal that this man's thinking process can be revealed by looking both at his accomplishments in the private sector, and as Governor of Texas?
Why not show that we can predict what he is going to do by looking at how he did this in the past?
Why not show that this man is a one-trick pony? That tax cuts and cronyism are all this man thinks of?
Why not show the pattern of behavior?
Why not provide details on his inhumane behavior towards other people?
Why not show how this man is a stuck up arrogant, juvenile, spoiled brat?
Why not show that this man continued to behave this way even till his term as Governor?
Why not show this man's connections to terrorism?
Why not show how supporters and relations of his supported terrorism?
Why not show that this support lended towards him protecting the Saudis after 9/11?
Why not show that this man doesn't care about terrorism since he protected the Saudis and the Pakistanis?
Why not show how this man's administration had an agenda for Iraq even before the election(PNAC)?
There was nothing in that page that isn't already known to just about everyone. The problem is that it just ISN'T ENOUGH TO CONVINCE THE IDIOT MASSES!!!
Why can't these people go for the throat and simply tidal wave them with details?
Why can't they just use logic and reason in pointing it out?
This man is a pussy! Either that or he's and idiot for not having the right people create that website properly.
I was thinking of voting for the guy, but every few weeks something comes along up that convinces me otherwise.
MYOB'
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I like the page ad, I don't like the ad you have. It doesn't mention Kerry at all by name. I don't like that.
I don't blame you for running it,of course. Don't take it that way. Just that if I were in charge of that ad I would do it differently.
Karmakin:
I assume it's the Kerry people who designed the ad on this page...I guess they want to reach the more generic "ABB" crowd, and figure mentioning Kerry would make some folks decline to click...
Too bad their banner picture is broken because of A FRIGGIN BACKSLASH IN THE URL, to wit (last in the path):
http://www.johnkerry.com/stopthe...ages\
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Fucking lusers.
Huh. Could it be that the rumor that Atrios is a certain political advisor working for the Kerry Campaign is true?
Five Percent for Nothing was Bill Bruford's percussion-based contribution to Fragile, in some ungodly time signature.
Mood For a Day was Steve Howe's (guitar)
Cans and Brahms: Wakeman (keyboard)
The Fish: Chris Squire (bass)
We Have Heaven: Jon Anderson (voice)
And, to "537 votes": because Atrios accepted a Kerry ad, he's a campaign member? Please.
Sharpton and Kucinich have the best messages. But, sad assed Democrats will not support either of the two. In Rev Al's case it could be due to subtle racism.
Braun, I don't know that much about. She did have some money scandal in the past.
Dean seems the most electable, and the third choice for real change. Unfortunately the DLC Clinton wing fear his candidacy for just that reason.
I can definitely vote Sharpton, Kucinich first. Dean as second choice.
I, too, like Kucinich first, and agree that Sharpton is also a good pick. I just don't see him (Sharpton) getting the Democratic nod. If Kerry gets it, that would be ok, too. I don't like Gebhardt at all. He is a good ole boy and I fear he is on par with his other Missouri pal, Ashcroft. I don't trust him... but I trust W not at all. I hope neither Lieberman or Gebhardt would be the Democratic nominee.
ha ha - I mentioned to a co-worker that Garrison Keiler(sp?) sings "We're all Republicans Now" and she said she would rather be an ax-murderer! Alright!! That's the Tude!
Nader didn't lose anything for Gore. face facts. Gore and --
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
This ad seems good but not extraordinary, but if it works for Kerry, good for him.
Kerry is going to have to get much, much sharper if he's going to have a chance, and he does still have one, though I suspect that if he had fulfilled his early promise Clark wouldn't even have gotten in. Now he's got a double fight.
Thanks, Atrios, for not letting this site turn into what Kos has become, full of snide, argument-by-assertion self-absorbed partisans for a single candidate.
I don't even need to click the ad -just for advertising on Eschaton, Kerry moves up a notch in my book.
oldwhitelady, read the last page or so of his new book. You'll love it if you haven't seen it yet.
Good ad. I still have my Dean bumper sticker but Clark and Kerry are good.
I think Kerry should play up his ethnic background more. Austria was a very big empire - there's a lot more ethnic mixing than the racists in control over there will admit. Didn't surprise me at all that his grandparents were Jewish and he didn't find out until he was adult. My mother's family is Austrian and I was an adult when I found out they were Gypsies (Roma is the proper term). It's very multiethnic just like the country he'd like to be president of.
I would love to vote for a guy who knows weiner schnitzel is not sausage.
Kerry is one of the Impotent Senators that have forced thousands of people to march and protest because these representatives have fallen all over themselves to give Bx benefits of doubts he has never earned and never will.
Luckily, Dean will be the nominee, by a giant margin.
And the reason is exactly the first paragraph. Everyone knows that, whatever else the Congress has been doing, almost no one, certainly none of these Impotent Senators, has been standing up to the bullies, calling a coup a coup, supporting the Black Caucus when it walked out after the 2000 coup, fighting the 120 or so fed judges who ALSO shouldn't have been confirmed, or in any way putting their overpaid carcasses on the train-tracks of Armageddon in the hopes of slowing the fucker down.
Get behind the Governor. Everybody else is a waste, and that includes "Me, Me, Me" Kucinich, who has single-handedly carried the Golden Tablets for centuries. He mentions that Garfield is the only Rep to ever become President -- he neglects to mention it was a Dark Horse (that means not offending the party bosses), and Garfield was a well-known and beloved Civil War hero. Kucinich hasn't the slightest chance of winning the nomination, and if he were to magically become President, he would be Cartered so fast his nose would bleed.
We need a CENTRIST. A real centrist, not one of those Bill Clinton Marshmallow Men from the Politeness Police who don't want to wake the neighbor's dog shouting that their house is on fire. Someone Republicans (if any can be found who are not GrOPers) can vote for instead of the Barbary Pirate who is currently holding us hostage. And that ain't Kucinich. It is also very much not John Kerry, who should seriously reconsider whether he has been earning his day job pay.
Well, Paul, Kucinich has certainly been laying into Dean, now hasn't he?
I'm sure that has no impact on your singling him out.
I also admired the way Dean walked out in 2000 with the Black Caucus. What a hero. It was almost as cool as his vote against invading Iraq.
i'm from massachusetts, and having worked on kerry's '02 campaign as a student organizer with my wing of the University Democrats (CDMA) at my school, i met the man a couple times and if not for one thing i'd be working hard on his campaign right now.
the one thing is what cost him the election.
he voted for war on Iraq. he did it not because he believed in it, but because he felt it was politically expedient.
that cost him the nomination right there.
if i'm wrong, btw, and he wins the nomination, i'll march to hell for the guy to get him elected. i just don't think he can be nominated.
i can't check the URL, btw. it's giving me bad link syndrome.
In Rev Al's case it could be due to subtle racism.
Close. It's due to Rev Al's not-so-subtle racism.
(Besides, of course, the fact that he's never held elected office and is kind of shooting for the moon here.)
"Well, Paul, Kucinich has certainly been laying into Dean, now hasn't he?... I also admired the way Dean walked out in 2000 with the Black Caucus. What a hero. It was almost as cool as his vote against invading Iraq."
No, it has nothing to do with Dean, and everything to do with Kucinich's total unelectability. 'Laying into' Dean is just bad karma...we need a candidate, and that candidate needs to be supported by huge numbers. Attacking him doesn't really help anything, other than salve Kucinich's ridiculously petulant conceit. It's a kid standing on a stool trying to reach cookies in a jar he is about to break. Kucinich is NEXT YEAR'S NADER.
These 'anybody but Bx' believers also misunderestimate the problems we face by a huge amount. There is only one candidate who combines electability with the kind of TRAINING that can do the job of repairing our heavily-damaged Republic.
I might hold my nose to vote for a John Kerry; many of us will take the better of two options when the worst of those options is the probable genocide of millions. But Kerry isn't going to get that chance to force me to plug my sinuses, and that should be obvious. His form of charisma really requires a lot of patience and forgiveness and I understand why a lot of people like him (I used to, myself). It's not galvanic, and that's what's required.
Voting record aside, he has the reputation of a do-nothing. Where are his Senatorial speeches to go next to Byrd and Kennedy's? He is, relative to Bx, pretty much a lay-down. Just because someone has the ambition to be President doesn't mean that they get the chance or should take the chance. The junior Senator from MA should be doing the job he was elected to do; not confusing the issue, and certainly not damaging our front-runner. But Kerry is stupid, that much is clear. His mirror of conceit seems to him half-full; when to most of us, it is half-empty.
Dean all the way baby. The rest are spineless chumps just trying to get over... (President Lieberman....buwhahahahahah)
Kerry should have shown a spine when it mattered. It's too late now.
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