I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
23 times! Oh, you didn't mean that literally. . .
Err. . . um. . . 27 times. . .
12.
I got soused after 6, and had to throw up at 13. Sorry, I can't take my liquor. (Wasn't this a drinking game?)
why is that so weird? They use either office or Mr./Mrs./Rev./Dr. They could have said Gov. Dean throughout...
I saw Adam Nagourney on PBS Newshour a couple weeks back. A strange-looking guy. Odd-enough to make me wonder how psychologically normal he is.
President Dean has such a nicer ring after all
It isn't necessarily a criticism, but two things. First, a few more pronouns seems appropriate. And, second, i was under the impression Dean preferred "governor."
They also usually refer to the Senate Majority Leader as "Dr. Frist" rather than "Senator Frist." So at least they're being consistent.
And? Slow tv day?
Another explosion in downtown Iraq.
Tarzan got cancelled.
that's pretty much the style at the NYT. i have always found it needlessly fussy. they are hopelessly pronoun-averse, to the point where it actually interferes with the reading.
i believe they always try to use Mr./Mrs./Dr. on second reference (and after) instead of an official title, regardless of the profilee's preference.
NTodd. . . Its a two page artical. Hit the Next button at the bottom of the page. Don't feel bad. I didn't know there were such things as two page articals for a very very long time.
I believe it's a NYT style guide dictate. Dr. trumps Mr. I don't think they use Gov. or Senator. Hence Dr. Frist and Dr. Dean. O/w it would be Mr.
Yes, its NY Times style to use Mr. or whatever before a last name (as already noted).
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The last time we corresponded, his email was addressed as:
"Governor Howard Dean, M.D."
But I agree with J from JV, this is a NYT style thing. Though I do wonder how they deal with Madonna and the artist formerly known as Prince (or is he Prince again?)
I'm still not quite sure about the Times' Mr./Mrs./Dr. obsession - is there a reason for it or is it just tradition or what? Help me here, I haven't been reading the Times for that long.
It's particularly fun in film reviews --
"Mr. Reeves, perhaps worried that he was showing too much range, has purged himself of all expression apart from a worried frown and a sorrowful grimace." - from review of new Matrix film in NYT
Anyone else ever think of Keanu as "Mr. Reeves?"
yes, anne-elk
Prince is Prince again.
I certainly hope that Dean was never a dean...
Yes, it's a matter of tradition. The NYT always refers to the subject of an article by their full name the first time, and thereafter by their appropriate title and last name, e.g., "George Bush did this...President Bush later did this..." In Howard Dean's case, his proper title is Doctor, being the highest degree he has obtained. It's not clear to me how else The Man Known as Atrios felt it should have been written to not sound "weird."
What M. Gordon said -- although I have heard that is not true in the Sports Section. But if an article starts in the first section, it is "Mr. Smith" or "Dr. Alterman" or whatever throughout. For example, an article about Meat Loaf referred to him as "Mr. Loaf" throughout after the first mention of his name.
This conversation reminds me of the time the New York Times did an article on the singer/actor Meat Loaf, and referred to him throughout as "Mr. Loaf".
there was a funny bit in the new yorker when Dr. Frist replaced Lott where they explaines the NYT policies. There is a policy. The main idea is that they apply the title only if it pertinent to the subject (there are a few other physicians/PhDs in the senate/house that don't get the Dr. treatment). But since they're doing it for Frist, they might as well do it for Dean. The new yorker bit mentioned Meat Loaf, as one were they would NOT say Mr. Loaf, but stick with Meat Loaf throughout.
Yes, I remember such highlights as Mr. Loaf, Mr. Bin Laden, but never had the opportunity to see Mr. Artist Formerly Known as Price, or Mr. The Frog.
Does anyone have clippings?
Alex, you're right about Nagourney. He kind of looks like that little lawyer who whistles through his nose on Ally McBeal.
Sullivan on JFK and GWB: "Their frat-boy garrulousness, their effortless patriotism, their family loyalties - it all works until you get to the moment when GWB gave up the wild life at 40 and JFK kept his going."
Yes, both JFK and GWB did show an effortless patriotism. JFK by saving his crew without a second thought, GWB by bravely running away.
Civil Disobedience
To scuttle the planned 4th year recovery that Bush will point to for the 2004 election, see if you can refrain from making purchases on Mondays, from now to the Nov 2004 election. . We can't let Bush get away with a 4th year recovery while he made people suffer for 3 years and will make people suffer if he gets elected in 2004. Pass the word.
INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING ABOUT REPUBLICANS, PUNISH REPUBLICANS.
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"I'm still not quite sure about the Times' Mr./Mrs./Dr. obsession - is there a reason for it or is it just tradition or what? Help me here, I haven't been reading the Times for that long."
Thomas, it's part of the NYT tradition. I remember back in the early 60's when, in a film review of Lilies of the Field, the reviewer referred to "Mr. Poitier." They got several letters from readers from the South who were offended by the Times using an honorific ("Mr.") for a black man. The Times, to their credit, did not relent.
i believe they always try to use Mr./Mrs./Dr. on second reference (and after) instead of an official title, regardless of the profilee's preference.
CF
I think the NYT's finally (as of maybe 10 years ago?) using Ms. as well, after railing against its use for several decades. My late wife was always labelled "Miss" after the first mention of her name in their articles, while male PhDs in the same field were labelled "Dr." throughout. That always seemed to put the lie to their claims of not being sexist in refusing to use Ms.
yes, read any article in the times and they start with "john smith and jane doe" and from then on discuss "mr. smith and ms/mrs. doe". the fun bit is when they do it to little munchkins.
i was under the impression Dean preferred "governor."
Incorrect. Dean has stated publicly that he does not care. It would seem smarter from a political standpoint to refer to him as "Dr. Dean", though.
I don't follow. Why is that smarter?
The thing about Dean.
Dean is a doctor and doctors don't know shit about politics.
See the thing about the Confederate flag was really pretty stupid. I mean the only vote that Democrats usually pick-up in the south is a strong African American vote so what the HELL was Dean thinking by alienating the African American vote right off the bat? If Dean has a speech writer, will he needs to find someone that really knows about politics. I mean really-What a moron!
But Dean apologized pretty well, or at least I thought so...In fact I think he did pretty darn good at it and somehow Dean reminds me of someone else how has foot and month disease, oh yeah that worm Bush.
Only this time Dean is wearing the white hat...I hope. There's a mystique about Dean," Yeah, I think that it's called "charisma" and it's a natural thing (Clinton had it too.) for some people.
I hoping that Howard will take us back to the UN and then, and only then will Iraqis be handed the keys to real freedom, a chance at real democracy and not Bush's artificial versions of it.
I just hope that Dean doesn't become intoxicated by the K Street Band, because they will surely try to entice him especially the powerful fossil fuel people.
IN the end, it seems that even Clinton appears to have been swayed by the music. The PNAC and Marc Rich music. I hope is Turkey-in saying thank for the funding, but things aren't working out that way, sorry--bye now.
"It would seem smarter from a political standpoint to refer to him as "Dr. Dean", though."
I don't know, some people think those who use the "Dr." title are pretentious. Also, an ABC News poll once asked people who they would vote for, with and without titles. "Dr. Howard Dean" and "Howard Dean" got the same numbers. "Gov. Howard Dean" was not tried. "General" didn't do any magic for Clark, but "Senator" did seem to bump candidates up by a point or two.
oh darn:
I hope Dean is like the country Turkey-in saying thank you for the funding, but things aren't working out that way, sorry--bye now.
At least they are not calling him Doctor Demento.
Also, in an earlier thread about Dean, someone cited a poll that Kerry likes to cite, showing Dean 15 points behind Bush in a theoretical match-up, with Kerry faring the best of everyone. So I thought I'd share what I just read in Newsweek:
"Dean continues to poll best against Bush, with 45 percent of respondents saying they would vote for him, compared to 49 percent for Bush."
This is just so you understand that all polls aren't exactly unanimous on these things. One could just as easily say the polls show Dean most electable against Bush.
What bothers me is the way they have cotninuously referred to Dean as lacking national experience as well as foreign when Bush had far far less, and with far, far less success.
I would have to ask, are they now trying to claim that only someone who has served in the federal congress or a presidential administration is qualified to be president?
Should foriegn policy experience be something so unique from domestic experience?
MYOB'
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That darn stylebook.
Last month, in an article about hip-hop performers, they referred--on second reference--to Mr. Cent.
OT --
Did Dick Cheney REALLY write this for some new Hannity book coming next June??????? (about guess what, liberals are really really bad this time we mean it part 3 for sure.....)
--
The liberal is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a liberal and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."
One cannot defend himself against the liberal. He attacks with lightening speed from his position of safety and uses his abilities to crush any attempt at defense.
Quickly he turns the attacker's charges back on him, and the attacker becomes the liar, the troublemaker, the terrorist. Nothing could be more mistaken than to defend oneself. That is just what the liberal wants. He can invent a new lie every day for the enemy to respond to, and the result is that the enemy spends so much time defending himself that he has no time to do what the liberal really fears: to attack. The accused has become the accuser, and loudly he shoves the accuser into the dock. So it always was in the past when a person or a movement fought the liberals. That is what would happen to us as well were we not fully aware of his nature, and if we lacked the courage to draw the following radical conclusions:
1. One cannot fight the liberal by positive means. He is a negative, and this negative must be erased from the American system, or he will forever corrupt it.
2. One cannot discuss the dangers of liberal thought with the liberals. One can hardly prove to a person that one has the duty to render him harmless.
3. One cannot allow the liberal the same means one would give an honest opponent, for he is no honorable opponent. He will use generosity and nobility only to trap his enemy.
4. The liberal has nothing to say about American questions. He is a foreigner, an alien, who only enjoys the rights of a guest, rights that he always abuses.
5. The so-called constitutional morality of the liberal is no morality at all, rather an encouragement to betrayal. Therefore, they have no claim to protection from the state.
6. The liberal is not smarter than we are, rather only cleverer and craftier. His system cannot be defeated economically-he follows entirely different moral principles than we do. It can only be broken through political means.
7. A liberal cannot insult a Republican. liberal slanders are but badges of honor for a Republican opponent of the liberals.
8. The more an American person or a American movement opposes the liberal, the more valuable it is. If someone is attacked by the liberals, that is a sure sign of his virtue. He who is not persecuted by the liberals, or who is praised by them, is useless and dangerous.
9. The liberal evaluates American questions from the liberal standpoint. As a result, the opposite of what he says must be true.
rest of.....
10. One must either affirm or reject anti-liberalism. He who defends the liberals harms his own people. One can only be a liberal lackey or a liberal opponent. Opposing the liberal is a matter of personal hygiene.
These principles give the conservative movement a chance of success. Only such a movement will be taken seriously by the liberals, only such a movement will be feared by them.
The fact that he shouts and complains about such a movement therefore is only a sign that it is right. We are therefore delighted that we are constantly attacked in the liberal gazettes. They may shout about terror. We answer with Ashcroft's familiar words: "Terror? Never! It is social hygiene. We take these individuals out of circulation just as a doctor does to a bacterium.
We take these individuals out of circulation just as a doctor does to a bacterium.
Or as Dr. Frist does a cat.
In that hip-hop article, did they refer to Ice-T as "Mr. T"? I certainly hope not...
This is all part of my plan to make the Confederate Flag the official emblam of the occupation of Iraq.
They also usually refer to the Senate Majority Leader as "Dr. Frist" rather than "Senator Frist." So at least they're being consistent.
According to the Howler, Frist has personally requested that he be referred to as "Dr. Frist." Do a search for "Frist" at the Howler to see some other examples of what a self-aggrandizing fuck that man is.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh011.../
dh011603.shtml
Direction of the Country?
Poll Date Right Direction Wrong Direction Spread
Ipsos-Reid/Cook 10/21 - 10/23 41% 52% - 11%
Pew Research 10/15 - 10/19 38% 56% - 18%
Ipsos-Reid/Cook 10/7 - 10/9 39% 54% - 15%
CNN/Gallup/USA Today 10/6 - 10/8 41% 57% - 16%
NBC News/WSJ 9/20 - 9/22 38% 50% - 12%
Ipsos-Reid/Cook 9/16 - 9/18 37% 57% - 20%
CNN/Gallup/USA Today 9/8 - 9/10 40% 58% - 18%
Battleground 9/7 - 9/10 39% 53% - 14%
**CNN/Time - Instead of Right Direction vs. Wrong Direction, CNN/Time asks are things in the country going very or fairly well?
****Pew Research - Instead of Right vs. Wrong Direction, Pew Research asks are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in this country today?
Fun with Lexis Nexis!
"Did she think Mr. Cent, who's been shot (nine times), stabbed, and jailed this past New Year's on a weapons charge, will enjoy the movie?"
NYT 10/9/03 (about 50 Cent, a rapper)
Unfortunatly, they never did do the 'mr. loaf' thing - Safire mentions the 'legend' in a column in 11/12/95
In the past 10 years, Kermit has not been referred to as Mr. Frog, nor has there been a reference to Mr. The Artist (it was simply 'The Artist')
Finally, Eminem, Ice-T, and some rapper called Paris are refered to like that, i.e., not Mr. Paris.
As a follow up-
Cher is Cher, and RuPaul is RuPaul, but Dennis Rodman is Mr. Rodman (!)
Just call me righteous. RYE-chuss.
Thank you.
Dean is a doctor and doctors don't know shit about politics.
Actually, he knows a lot about politics. He was in our Leg for several years, then won 5 re-elections as Gov (after assuming the office when Snelling died).
Not only that, he was the most popular Gov back in the mid-90s--he was re-elected with over 75% of the vote (forget exactly which election). And he won 2 extremely close 3-way races, including the one after he signed the unpopular (2-1 against) civil unions bill.
I'd say he knows quite a bit about politics.
What bothers me is the way they have cotninuously referred to Dean as lacking national experience
IIRC, Dean lead the National Council of Governors for a few years.
The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince!
I despair, and feel ashamed that so many of my fellow countrymen are fools and knaves. I can, but for the briefest instant, snarl in anger that we deserve this mess because we as a whole will not learn our lessons. I do feel that redemption is possible, that truth can set one's mind free, that it is always better to know the bad with the good and to act for the the betterment of us all, but in my heart I doubt it will work out that way. I hope for the best, and expect the worst, and figure to spend my remaining years issuing mordant chuckles at the suddenly stricken faces of useful idiots who thought they were voting for a tough guy who was going to keep America on top of the world, as they see us sink behind the next superpower who now holds conferences with the Europeans about what to do with the beligerent has-been over there. I think I'll spend a few years learning Chineese. Time for a refill, *hic*.
Apparently you've never played the Adam Nagourney Dr. Dean drinking game.
It's all the rage on the college campuses....
Cheryl:>" See the thing about the Confederate flag was really pretty stupid."
Nonsense. For one thing, he didn't praise the Confederate flag or say he agreed with any racist sentiments, he said he wants to be the candidate for the Southern guys who've got that flag on their trucks.
The idea of a New England Democratic candidate being pro-Confederate is so incredible that almost all blacks will assume he was misquoted.
But some of the aforementioned truck driving southern guys will think," Hey! Maybe this Dean guy's not so bad after all."
Even though the delievery was sub-optimal, this was truly a "Sister Souljah" moment for Dean. Nothing but good in the long run.
Cheryl:>" See the thing about the Confederate flag was really pretty stupid."
Nonsense. For one thing, he didn't praise the Confederate flag or say he agreed with any racist sentiments, he said he wants to be the candidate for the Southern guys who've got that flag on their trucks.
The idea of a New England Democratic candidate being pro-Confederate is so incredible that almost all blacks will assume he was misquoted.
But some of the aforementioned truck driving southern guys will think," Hey! Maybe this Dean guy's not so bad after all."
Even though the delievery was sub-optimal, this was truly a "Sister Souljah" moment for Dean. Nothing but good in the long run.
I don't follow. Why is that smarter?
Because people respect doctors. And because it makes him sound that much less like a typical politician. JMHO, however--Dean has not said he wants to be referred to as "Doctor", and the Times, as pointed out above, is merely using the same style guidelines for him that they are for everybody else. Note how Kerry is called "Mr. Kerry" and not "Sen. Kerry".
sigh -- Dean got thunderous applause from black audiences months earlier. I guess they needed Al Sharpton, and John kerry to tell them it was offensive. Watched a southern political reporter on c-span this morning. Said that the two southern wins for republicans were won by acceptance of the confederate flag.
Someone needs to talk to those folks. And telling them they are idiots for displaying the flag will not help. Those that are bigots, won'ts listen anyway, but those many other, not bigots, will listen once you get beyond calling names.
Someone needs to keep reporting this difference. And not let Al Sharpton determine for this country everything good or evil.
I have been so busy between greeting people at Walmarts and cleaning glory holes at the porn parlor that I haven't had much time to blog anymore. I can't keep all these NEOCONS at bay alone you know! Swing by the site and say hello. It's up and running again!
Sounds like Dean's going to use the stupid-ass effort by Kerry and Gephardt to continue and strengthen the conversations he's been having with both blacks and whites in the South.
By the way: As Derrick Z. Jackson notes, Dean's comments have been wildly applauded by prominent blacks such as the late Maynard Jackson. So why did Kerry and Geppie suddenly decide to pretend they were offensive?
SEIU, that's why. The SEIU's rank-and-file have said for weeks now that it's Dean or no one. This from a union that Geppie two months ago thought he had in the bag. But the SEIU is so strongly for Dean that its union locals in NY and CA have already been doing heavy-duty fundraising for him. What's more, they've managed to get their long-time rival and fellow AFL-CIO member, AFSCME, to join them in backing Dean.
How much has this flag flap 'hurt' Dean? Well, this past week he pulled in $5 million. That's more than any of his rivals got for the whole third quarter that ended last month. If that's 'hurting', well, give me some of it!
Meanwhile, Gephardt's been cutting his staff's salaries. That should tell y'all something.
To scuttle the planned 4th year recovery that Bush will point to for the 2004 election, see if you can refrain from making purchases on Mondays
Even though off topic, just thought I'd note...
This is totally f*cking idiotic. And, I suspect, I speak for the majority of liberals.
Draeton - yeah, seems like that stupid "don't buy gas tomorrow" BS that was floating around.
sigh, ya gotta feel sorry for Kerry.
prince? what about Jacko's two boys. prince 1 and 2?
This article, like so many in the Post and New York Times, continues to present the preferred "story" of his limitations represented in the phrase "Dr. Dean's lack of experience in national politics and his tendency for intemperate remarks." Oh pulezee. As opposed, I assume, to Dubyah's lack of national experience and tendency for truely stupid remarks - for which a large part of the population seem oblivious.
Face it, the Times and Post are largely out of touch with the feelings of ordinary voters. Dean is not your father's Democratic candidate. He is a fighter and that is exactly what most Dems are looking for. The DLC and the rest of the Party big-wigs that seem puzzled and angry over this can just kiss my ass. They are history - along with Dubyah and business as usual.
"Dr. Dean" makes my skin crawl because it reminds me of this guy, a local teevee and radio personality who goes by the same name, has his own line of cheap non-prescription glasses (sold in grocery stores) and a bad perm, and is an anti-circumcision advocate.
Dean's the best of two worlds - he is a guy who has a gut like Clinton and a drinking past like Bush.
A big gut usually indicates atestosterone deficiency which might explain Dean's somewhat girly approach to war. My debate question to him would be: do you take Viagra?
I personally am afraid of the guy. He has big hands or maybe it is the camera angle. At my age I fear doctors with big hands and fingers. I would rather see Bush coming down towards me on the other side of a 2 lane road with a six pack beside him than doctor Dean coming at me with a big hand encased in latex and that somewhat disturbing grin on his face.
Call me a bigot but I saw absolutely nothing wrong with Dean's confederate flag remarks. It really made the other candidates look cheap and petty for jumping on him about it. Anyone who took that low road is picking up sleazeball points pretty fast in my book. Then incredibly Dean apologized for his remarks! That made him look just as cheap and slimey as those who attacked him. I could not believe it. Political pandering at its best.
If just mentioning the confederate flag has become the standard for whether you are a racist or not, freedom of speech is a dead concept in this country.
In the NYT, an M.D. is referred to as "Dr." but not a Ph.D. You never hear them refer to politicians as "Dr. Gingrich" or "Dr. Gramm" or "Dr. Bennett."
A big gut usually indicates atestosterone deficiency which might explain Dean's somewhat girly approach to war. My debate question to him would be: do you take Viagra?
Hey Dennis, just because your small pathetic limp dick is too small and can't manage to get hard enough to stuff in Sullivan's mouth, don't take it out on Dean ...
Now, do you have a real criticism of Dr. Dean??? Does an intelligent president bother you???
You know, being a C-student draft dodger won't get you into med school. Except in Guam ...
How much has this flag flap 'hurt' Dean? Well, this past week he pulled in $5 million. That's more than any of his rivals got for the whole third quarter that ended last month. If that's 'hurting', well, give me some of it!
Meanwhile, Gephardt's been cutting his staff's salaries. That should tell y'all something.
I guess those good 'ol boys must be sending him money.
I guess those good 'ol boys must be sending him money.
Even Bo and Luke Duke vote (unless they died ... I think Daisy Duke died??) ...
Watch what Dean does in addition to what he says. When he starts actively cutting resources for disenfranchised minorities, then we start to worry. His comment is relatively innocuous.
But I agree with J from JV, this is a NYT style thing.
anne.elk
I think if it were me I'd insist on lia mosxto.
The NYT just makes itself seem silly when they don't edit this kind of stuff out. Given Dr. Kissinger, Dr. Rice, Dr. Frist, ... the title has lost all of its glamour. I hear that in Europe that Professor carries a lot more prestige.
I knew a college professor who turned neo-con because his students stopped calling him Dr. He was in the social sciences.
As a reporter, I can tell you, that Adam's heart wasn't in the writing of that article, or he was tired and didn't feel like writing it.
But it certainly could have used some editing.
Yeah, it's the Times standard to call MD's Dr. But I interpreted Atrios' point (and I've thought the same thing myself actually) as being that using Dr. (especially so often) sort of distinguishes Dean from the normal variety of person.
There is a mystique about doctors that is not always comfortable. A mystique which I think stems from the days when medicine was more an art than a science, and some "doctors" abused the trust and faith placed in them.
That's why all the Dr.'s sound weird.
The New York Times has strict style rules. They can't use Mr. if the Mr. is a doctor. Not that I know what the hell your point is anyway.
Actually, I believe that the Times will address someone using whatever professional title they choose. For example, Madeleine Albright asked to be called 'Dr. Albright' and afterwards, she was no longer Ambassador Albright or Secretary Albright, she was ... well ... what she was.
Steve R:
The Newsweek poll yesterday showed Clark, not Bush, as the leading contender against Bush. As reported on the Newsweek site, it says Dean polls best, but Yahoo news picked up on the fact that it was actually Clark who continues to poll best vs. Bush:
"In questions of the presidential elections one year away, Bush's lead over the contenders for the Democratic nomination decreased from a month ago.
Bush and retired General Wesley Clark (news - web sites) were in a virtual dead heat, 45 percent for Clark, 48 for Bush.
Former Vermont governor Howard Dean and Massachusetts Senator John Kerry each polled 45 percent against 49 percent for Bush."
Basically, it's any leading Dem in a virtual tie with Bush.
So I thought I'd share what I just read in Newsweek:
"Dean continues to poll best against Bush, with 45 percent of respondents saying they would vote for him, compared to 49 percent for Bush."
Newsweek flunked math. Very peculiar. Clark actually polled better against Bush, 45 to 48. That's a 3 point spread vs. Dean's 4 points. No big deal given the MOE of the poll, but it's curious. They could have AT LEAST said that Dean and Clark polled equally, at 45 against him.
And their online poll was supposedly "in alphabetical order," but they put Dean ahead of Clark at the top. Last time I looked, D came AFTER C in the alphabet. Another oddity. Minor, yes, but odd.
Much like Bill Safire pretending he couldn't remember Clark's name the other day. Riiiiiight.
Damfacrats have a couple of popular damfaudios regarding Dr. Dean and Dr. Rice, with Dr. Frist thrown in there is you listen carefully enough. People seem to dislike doctors less than lawyers. Thanks for this site.
A small note: actually, General Clark (in a poll last month) does benefit significantly from polls that refer to him as "General Clark" rather than "Wesley Clark". The Dr-vs-Howard-vs-Former Governor thing may not help Dean, but Clark gets a major (over 10%) boost from the addition of his rank when polled about it.
Re: Dr. vs. Gov. Dean,
Steve R. wrote (way up thread):
"I don't know, some people think those who use the "Dr." title are pretentious."
It is only pretentious when Ph.D.'s use Dr. as an address. Medical doctors using doctor is always appropriate. I don't really know why, just a usage thing. That, and no one asks if there is a Ph.D. in the house. A Dr. (MD) can come in handy.
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