I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
What is most pathetic is the complete lack of understanding -- on the part of people currently running our government -- of what it takes to make a government work.
These people have no respect for the institutions of a civil society, ours or anyone else's.
What is most pathetic is the complete lack of understanding -- on the part of people currently running our government -- of what it takes to make a government work.-phein
Like actually engaging those they govern? Boy, wouldn't that be nice?
They have so successfully "manufactured consent" (to paraphrase Chomsky) in the US that they don't think it'd be a problem anywhere else. Well, that, and they believe their own propaganda.
too bad there are no sign of intelligence or understanding of human nature in the bubble/echo chamber around the chimperor.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
And thus Dubya invested America's blood, treasure and honor in Chalabi's magic beans.
You're kidding, right, Atrios? Someone actually believed that Chalabi was going to be able to get the Palestinians to accept utter defeat?
That is just too insane. If anyone believed that for a second in the WH, they all need to be locked up now in an asylum for the criminally insane.
It jes makes my eyes go all watery with red white and blue pride, what a beeyooteeful dream. I bet it'll happen that way in Syria though, wont it unka Karl? This should be the end of PNAC at least, these clowns had one last shot and if we can keep it together till November next they'll be history.
News from the front:
Seven Spanish officers killed in Iraq
So there's another reason for that bizarre, turkey-serving side trip to Baghdad Int'l.; they said he'd be there by Thanksgiving, and by damn, a Plan is a Plan.
"See Laura, sometimes a man just has to do what a man has to do.."
Well, that, and they believe their own propaganda
Never believe your own bullshit. Take it from someone who's learned the hard way on that one.
Someone actually believed that Chalabi was going to be able to get the Palestinians to accept utter defeat
Sharon, no doubt.
The fantasy scenario was nothing other than the flipside of the nightmare scenario (i.e. tens of thousands of casualties on each side, chemical weapons, humanitarian and refugee crises etc.). Interestingly, neither of the two extremes which were expected panned out, and the administration was stumped. If one thinks of the scenarios in terms of ideological production, the neo-con cake-walk vs. the neo-liberal nightmare, one realizes that the planning for the war was undermined by a structural feature of American politics, rather than the efforts of any single individual.
I would ban you just for posting that stupid laughy face icon.
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!?!?!?!?
[[I would ban you just for posting that stupid laughy face icon.]]
See - now that's funny.
How about these?
I've been working nights, wish they'd hire musicians like this the rest of the year. Has the name changed again?
zozobra, who let you out of my closet?
It's always good to see recent history gone over, I'd say again but it hasn't been gone over once by TV and the larger print outlets. Radio, forget it. The Bush mob can only get away with it because with the active help of the media.
zozobra, that red un-happy face is a slight against zionism and proves you're an anti-semite
Looks like his machine wants him to do some kind of fake victory lap on foreign soil. London was a bust with 200,000 plus protesters pulling down a statue of him, so they broke out the plan B to make the press look away -'arrest Michael Jackson, quick!'. His machine is really having a hard time making him look good in a foreign setting except in front of his own troops who are required to smile and applaud, standing or whatever.
zozobra, I hate to say it, but the name sounds like some failed foundation garment invented in the old Yugoslavia. Or would that be the zazabra from Hungary?
i have a theory on who this anon- zozobra really is-hint he used to post as e the c. but i could be wrong. however his bogus claims to hate bush&other things about his writing kind of hint at that. if i am wrong however, either e or anon are allowed to tear me a new one. however this will not mitigate the lameness of those posts.
The fact that Bush was in and out of Iraq in 2 hours only goes to show what a total mess the country is in.
It seems this delightful irony was rather lost on your media who could not wait to tell us how brave the Head Monkey is.
It obviously did not occur to them that the reason it is so dangerous to go there is because the Head Monkey has made a complete pigs ear of the whole adventure.
It's really okay to hope that the Iraqis would want their country to be the fifty-first state, in spite of all evidence to the contrary. But it's not really responsible, or competent, to actually depend on it. The planning for the invasion, as in assessing the need for it at all, was based on faith. As Packer wrote in his recent New Yorker article on prewar planning, and he's quoting someone who sounds a lot like he sits where Colin Powell does, it was "theology." Jesus of Nazareth said that there he was "the way, the truth, and the light." He didn't go on to add, "There's also a 'Plan B' if that one turns out to suck ass." Doubt is heresy.
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Ok we know who zozobra is, come out of the closet, anon-dubya.
you've outed yourself by proving you can't spell zebra.
As Packer wrote in his recent New Yorker article on prewar planning, and he's quoting someone who sounds a lot like he sits where Colin Powell does, it was "theology."
Brian C.B.
I'm reminded of the interview with Watler Isaacson rerun the other night on WGBH. He was so relieved that we aren't falling into that 90's way of thinking anymore. Guess he likes the 90's BCE way of thinking better.
Maybe we should burn them all at the stake when they're deposed.
I think it's Peter Pan and we're all supposed to clap our hands. Or is that only 80's thinking?
Nah, not Eric the C - he was always reasonable, if wrong. He never attacked anyone and sustained a lot of heavy fire here. Definitely not Eric the Conservative.
thats spelled Z-E-B-R-A, dear.
is your mouth ful of pretzels?
where are your hands?
go wash them.
Ignore the brownshirt.
Every response is another tissue full of dead sperm (if you get my meaning)...
yah, dave, I agree - I just wanted to stick up for Eric, the C. I had some enjoyable arguments with Eric when he was a regular. I don't think he would ever sneak around with a different name - not the type.
Chalabi sold him a bill of goods? I guess it is true, it is easy to con a dishonest person...
Monkeybutt: "Cervantes: 'so long as you are aware that this
admiration is wildly delusional -- and that it was inculcated by cheap
propaganda that your nostalgic comments do nothing to dispel'
"What makes you think I was trying to do that?"
I did not say you were trying to do anything. I simply observed
that your nostalgic comments do not have a certain (necessary) effect.
Sure, you can say you weren't trying to dispel propaganda. OK ... but then why spread it further?
"But what do you expect me to do? Join the chorus of America haters? [...] But what does that solve?"
Telling the truth about my -- or any -- country is not "hate" or "loathing."
It is not joining the "chorus of America haters."
It is simply telling the truth as far as you know it.
And what good does it do to tell the truth? Perhaps you should answer that one
for yourself.
Best,
Tena, one quick point on something from yesterday...
My point about Bush needing to be reelected was somewhat tongueincheek and meant to be provocative.
Also, on Vietnam, my point wasn't that Nixon was blamed for the "loss", but that for the past 30 years the right has successfully pinned blame on LBJ and the other Dem architects of the war with such propaganda as, "they didn't bomb enough", etc...
With Bush and Iraq, the inverse is true chronologically and not ideologically...
What I mean is, with Vietnam, the Dems began the war, and the Rep finished it...
With Iraq, Bush started it, and if he loses, a Dem will, in some fashion "finish" it.
But if it appears as a failure to the fascist right, they will successfully exploit that and for the next 30 years it will be blamed on the Dem...
Of course I don't want this atrocity to continue. I demand impeachment, which, unfortunately will not happen this term.
It might in a second Bush term.
So, if I were
I agree with Tena. Eric the C was a pretty rational guy for a conservative, stood his (erroneous) ground in reasoned fashion and never engaged in ad hominem attacks. As I recall he left to form his own blog due to no open threads on Atrios'. He definitely wasn't wacked out like this clown....
Zozobra is a hideous but harmless fifty-foot bogeyman marionette. He is a toothless, empty-headed facade. He has no guts and doesn't have a leg to stand on. He is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. He never wins. He moans and groans, rolls his eyes and twists his head. His mouth gapes and chomps. His arms flail about in frustration. Every year we do him in. We string him up and burn him down in ablaze of fireworks. At last, he is gone, taking with him all our troubles for another whole year. Santa Fe celebrates another victory. Viva la Fiesta! - A.W. Denninger
www.zozobra.com
Yes, ignore the trolls is the rule but have a little fun while you're doing it.
OT - Reuters is now reporting that two Japanese (probably embassy staff) were killed in ambush near Tikrit. Their local driver was also injured. Link.
Final graf of article: Tokyo had inched closer to a troop dispatch on Friday, when Defense Minister Shigeru Ishiba said a recent fact-finding mission had reported that the southern part of the country -- the likely destination of any troop deployment -- was relatively stable.
Hell of a day for US allies over there.
By the way the Democratic troll tole is up to nine dollars, heavy nights I feel it's only right to give double.
Make that toll, can't see this window.
So if I were a Dem, I'd wish for a second Bush term.
Otherwise, plan on another 30 years of propaganda that paints you as the weaker, less militaristic party.
The danger with this is that it then forces the Dems to continue to try to appear as imperial and violent as the Republicans. You'll need your war to prove your just as tough.
If we let this horrible crime begin and end with Bush, we might have some hope of averting a very horrible future...
To expand on another point from yesterday, maybe some of you can add your two cents on this:
It's what I call the "Revisionist View of the Viet Cong as Noble and Brave."
What seems to be happening is that certain members of the propaganda class who discuss the war in Iraq are very defensive of the Vietnamese now.
When the Iraqi resistance is described as "guerilla" or "resistance", etc, they bristle with condemnation saying the Iraqis are only "terrorists" or "savages". Note that these are exactly the same words used to describe the Viet Cong 40 yrs ago.
When the comparison is made, these propagandists now admit that the Vietnamese were brave and noble and very disciplined and very motivated and very principled, and so on...
If you see examples of this, please note them here. It's interesting to see if this is a growing phenomenon...
It will also be interesting to see if in another 30 years, during the next war, the Iraqis will be seen as the noble ones, while the new enemy will be the "terrorists" and the "murderers...
Troll on sosobra
I've read these threads week on week
Tena can take it.
The Rove administration is worse than you can imagine. Much, much worse.
Stop allowing any benefit of any doubt. They are fucking up just like you think they are fucking up.
We need a replacement soon.
Ah - now I know. Thought so all along. Just tipped it.
Same old, same old.
What part of that didn't happen? Sounds right to me.
Elias - as far as a revisionist view of the Vietcong, all I can say is that that usually happens some years after every war, when we are trying to be friends again with whoever we were killing.
There is no lack of understanding behind this war. It is a control mechanism to help elect Dumbya, keep control of the government in the hands of the right-wing, and enrich Boosh campaign contributors. These people know precisely what they are doing. If you don't think they have control, look at the video tape from Thursday. The very people who are in the most danger from Chimpy's policies cannot cheer loud enough for him. Whether Chimpy and his crew pay the price for their treachery remains to be seen. That it has not gone as smoothly as they "predicted" means nothing. I do not understand why there are not hundreds of thousands of people marching down Pennsylvania Ave. demanding this criminal's head on a pike staff. The fact that nothing of consequence will happen to Chimpy is proof that the control mechanism is functioning quite well.
Before I have to go get dressed, I'd say that if Bush and his crew thought they were the ones who would have to pay the price they would have been a lot more careful than they have been. It's not their money, their blood that is paying for this hositle take-over.
My younger relatives are just starting to take notice of the possibility of a draft being reinstated. We've got to make sure that everyone under the age of thirty knows about the call for draft board memebers. And we've got to let our members of congress know that if they start granting defferments for the well healed they're heads are going to roll. I say draft Christopher Buckley first, him and the members of the crime gang.
We are making progress.
Moronic brownshirt
The sound of one hand typing
"Ma, where's the Cheetos?"
you all are probably right, not e of c, but MARK HARDEN IS BACK. pause for shudders of horror. pause for shudders of dread. sorry harlan! if you don't get the harlan reference that is ok.
666 the number of the beast! MARK HARDEN!nooooooo!
must get australian red wine! must drink some! incoherence surges. drink wine.
ot, i am listening to kvsc radio,reggae program, very good!
Poet Lariat - I think we are making progress insofar as the press seems to be waking up to the incredible mess Bush and PNAC have made in the Middle East.
Not as much progress as I'd like to see - but I'll take it.
There's still a long campaign season to go.
The sound of one hand typing
"Ma, where's the Cheetos?"
dave
Or is it, " Where the hell is that lotion? It is hard to tell if that is really Paris. Damned night vision."
I am an ignorant hillbilly who needs a hug. I enjoy the smell of my own farts.
Cosmic Grappler is that you?
dan hoppe - Bweep bweep bweep! We have a winner.
tell me lies
tell me sweet little lies.....
"...the Iraqi people would welcome him this November with garlands and dancing in the street."
Instead, he had to be smuggled in like a common criminal, out of fear for his life. This ought to be a central talking point of Demo propaganda: that Bush had to enter Iraq like a sneak-thief, instead of being welcomed by the teeming masses with cries of joy, as promised last spring.
The educated, secular Iraqi Shiites would be busy stamping out priest-ridden superstition. . .
I'm confused. W, who acts on what he thinks is the voice of God guiding him, thought this was a good thing?
I'm so tired of this retarded meta-troll talk. Who cares who's a troll? Can't stupid ideas be automatically ignored by virtue of their own stupidity? And why don't people post more images?
queen crab - good point; that is counter-intuitive, to say the least.
Hoppe nails it.
But who cares? Let's start Ignore the Brownshirt Week at midnight tonite.
Or is it, " Where the hell is that lotion? It is hard to tell if that is really Paris. Damned night vision."
Well, that doesn't really fit into the meter... but your heart's in the right place!
queen crab - you just brought up the perfect excuse for Bushie to bow out of the '04 election (as if.) "God has told me that he has other plans for me and does not want me to run again."
Oh, if only there was a god like that.
Today's laughter: Not only has our heroic homunculus here continued to twoll and twoll, but astoundingly, has actually started using the very same response (haiku) as was used against the twoll whose name I copied to laugh at this one yesterday! Go on, admit it sad sack... you looked him up didn't you?!
Oh well, whatever he says this time, why don't we have our own trolling session. Come join with me Atrios posters in helping our good host effectively ban him. For instance, I know full well that some ISP's dynamically host IP addresses... Who wants to recommend a way of checking who is providing his web access? Wouldn't it be amusing if it turns out that he's abusing a range of work or college IPs, and then they get to hear about it? Or perhaps he's just some l33t script kiddie, who's using the same old same old IP-for-hire addresses, which can be mass blocked without worry?
And here's the real fun part; if you were a genuine regular here, fecal face, you'd know Atrios
Today's laughter: Not only has our heroic homunculus here continued to twoll and twoll, but astoundingly, has actually started using the very same response (haiku) as was used against the twoll whose name I copied to laugh at this one yesterday! Go on, admit it sad sack... you looked him up didn't you?!
Oh well, whatever he says this time, why don't we have our own trolling session. Come join with me Atrios posters in helping our good host effectively ban him. For instance, I know full well that some ISP's dynamically host IP addresses... Who wants to recommend a way of checking who is providing his web access? Wouldn't it be amusing if it turns out that he's abusing a range of work or college IPs, and then they get to hear about it? Or perhaps he's just some l33t script kiddie, who's using the same old same old IP-for-hire addresses, which can be mass blocked without worry?
And here's the real fun part; if you were a genuine regular here, fecal face, you'd know Atrios
...you'd know Atrios won't be held responsible for what other people post on his blog. Go on, wheel out that hypocrisy cannard, but we the readers will act, not Atrios... and you won't be able to lay a single crooked digit on the site itself. Bring it on, troll boy
messenger, can you repeat that in English for us non-techies :-D ?
What I can't figure out is how President Bush plans to get out of this. If he's serious about getting re-elected, he can't have an Iraq problem much past March.
He and Karl want to talk about "resolve" but they'll be working hard to figure out how to get out. How to seem filled with resolve and yet GTF out and soon.
I don't think they can do it. Something's gotta give.
Oh Tena, you're such a dreamer 
In that same vein, imagine what the educated, secular Iraqi Shiites could do in Amerika. Particularly, but certainly not limited to, Alabama.
"A grateful and obedient country, pacified and acquiescent in Chalabi's presidency for life ("a clear move toward democracy after the brutal dicatatorship of Saddam"), would shout out "Bi'r-ruh, bi'l-dunya, nufdika ya Dubya" (With our spirits and our world, we sacrifice ourselves for you, O W.!)."
Once they reap the rewards of the Flat Tax, they'll come around
queen crab - oh, don't tease me. I'd love to see a secular group - any secular group -take over Alabama, Texas and a few other states.
Slothrop,
An administration that convinced (through misrepresentation) the US, but not the rest of the world, that Saddam was a real and present danger to American citizens, is likely to convince that same population that they, indeed, accomplished their "mission" by having deposed the tyrant Hussein and brought liberty to the people of Iraq.
Bush need only declare his adventure successful against a backdrop of marketing visuals and in front of a compliant media that will, in turn, validate the smoke and mirrors show.
BushCo. got us into war that way. And I believe they will declare we're out of it in the same way.
Shaw Kenawe - well Bush has been singing that tune every time he opens his mouth lately. He keeps saying: "The regime of Saddam Hussein is gone forever!" And more of the same "Mission Accomplished" shit.
I keep waiting for someone in the crowd to yell back - "Oh yeah? Where the hell is he?"
alabama is the most religion ridden place that i have ever been! i swear!
I basically don't see any way that Iraq can be brought to any kind of successful conclusion by the spring or by the election. Instead it will be more bullshit from Bush and diversionary tactics.
good as i've been to you zozobra, and yet you treat us like this?!!! i am greatly disappointed.
Just because I am a homosexual atheist doesn't mean you can abuse me. I demend justice.
Tena,
Come election time, I think we need to give Bush some singing lessons.
I keep waiting for someone in the crowd to yell back - "Oh yeah? Where the hell is he?"
Of course, those crowds are very carefully screened.
Speaking of which, has anything slipped out of those meetings Tipsy held with the families of the dearly departed recently? Why do I think if they had showered Flight Suit Boy with rose petals, it would have been plastered 24/7 on all the cable networks?
z's post from 7:06 reveals him to be just another bleeding heart liberal. well cry me a river you liberal punk!
I thing they are going to start running out of people that Bush can safely talk to.
Maybe some cardboard cutouts.
Anyone know what's happening with the mom with all the kids who went aWol rather than return to Iraq?
Here's the official theme song of Ignore the Brownshirts Week, which begins at midnight tonite. Take it away, Mr. Paul Anka!
To stop those brownshirts 1-2-3,
Here's a fresh new way that's trouble-free,
It's got Paul Anka's guarantee...
Glenn: Guarantee void in Tennessee.
Both: Just don't look! Just don't look!
Just don't look! Just don't look!
Just don't look! Just don't look!
pie - Last I heard, the army said it wasn't going to charge her with anything. The brass was being terribly understanding of the situation, considering what they are doing to the commander who questioned sending his men back into combat with less downtime than they are supposed to get.
At any rate, that's what I heard - that since she was in danger of losing custody of her children they were going to give her a pass on it.
"There is no lack of understanding behind this war ..." 11.29.03@5:24 pm
Very good and enlightening entry, Mr Twister.
And thanks, atrios, for 'refreshing' my memory and that of all your readers no doubt! No memory hole here.
"Well, that, and they believe their own propaganda."
Woudl you say then that they've manufactured consent for themselves? 
Certainly the FAUX news channel says yes...
Shaw Kenawe sez: Bush need only declare his adventure successful against a backdrop of marketing visuals and in front of a compliant media that will, in turn, validate the smoke and mirrors show.
And don't forget painting the Democratic candidate (any one, it doesn't matter, it will work the same) as a godless heathen traitor who advocates sex with animals.
This post self censored for fear of a midnight visitation of dark suits in unadorned suvs.
Tena, that's great news, for a change. Thanks for the update.
anybody catch this via Hoffmania? http://hoffmania.blogspot.com/
20...009038073188662
guess our tax dollars really did a lot of good flying WhistleAss over there
You know, I wish they would have been right and we were wrong, but the world is what it is. They are just to stubborn and arrogant to come to grips with it.
i've got it zozo! when people on this blog get down on you, you can just repeat to yourself "i am good enough, i am smart enough and gosh darn it people like me"!
great!!!
derek g - there was a fatal flaw in the their plan - you cannot force democracy on people. It isn't that the world is meaner than they thought - they didn't fucking think straight.
derek g - there was a fatal flaw in the their plan - you cannot force democracy on people.
I cannot believe that they thought this was ever a possibility.
Bush is the Worst. President. Ever.
But come on, there's enough blame to go around here.
Worst. Administration. Ever.
(Those future Texas textbook approval folks better have their stories straight.)
oh zozo, you are such a mean guy.
but one good favor deserves another-so..
straight from the heart of darkness "shut up slope"!!! neener neener.
New Plan:
Let's force anarchy instead of democracy on the people of Iraq.
oh zozo, you are such a guy. as barbara bush, the matriarch would say "i am done with you". and that is all that you get. goodby little guy.
"And don't forget painting the Democratic candidate (any one, it doesn't matter, it will work the same) as a godless heathen traitor who advocates sex with animals --queen crab"
I think they'll clarify that characterization a bit further so it will be thus:
"[Democratic candidate] is a godless heathen traitor who advocates sex with animals while he/she taxes and spends on programs for homeless homosexuals who want to hug trees and save the glaciers."
oh one more thing-"slope-headed brigade" hmmmm.
"Let's force anarchy instead of democracy on the people of Iraq." Great idea. Should work easily, cheaply. But Admin already has this idea, and doing it the Governmental way - slowly and expensively.
OT, but important. spread this around.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...-
2003Nov29.html
Bush claims to be building a "grass-roots" campaign and have 6 MILLION people signed up through their website, georgewbush.com, as noted here:
"Bush's campaign Web site already has signed up 6 million supporters, 10 times the number that Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean has"
now, i went to bush's website, and it's impossible to even just list your support. all you can do is "donate" or "sign up to be a team leader".
there's no way his site has even 6 million hits.
you know what to do, people. phone, write, and blast the wapo to get these hacks fired.
i do believe that you are losing your cool there little guy! g'by for good troll.
Ignore the Brownshirt Week begins in 3-1/2 hours... but you can start now if you just can't wait!
Bush claims to be building a "grass-roots" campaign and have 6 MILLION people signed up
Top down grass roots? Isn't that astroturf?
yeah, the article is complete bullcrap. i thought i was reading the washington times when i first saw it.
Y'all go an read Molly Ivans on Bush in the new Mother Jones, ya hear.
Molly probably "knows" what makes the man tick more than anyone who actually criticizes him. Her piece has the ring of insight to it, and it's damn painful to contemplate.
EPT: "zozobra, I hate to say it, but the name sounds like some failed foundation garment invented in the old Yugoslavia. Or would that be the zazabra from Hungary?"
What makes you suggest that Zsa Zsa wore failed foundation garments?
No, scratch that -- maybe I don't want to know after all.
.
Zozobra has been at this for 5 hours now, posting (from my informal count) 17 times in that span.
Altho some of the posts are so lacking in substance, they almost could be discounted, one also has to figure in the enormous amount of reading he has done, since almost every post was a direct response to someone else.
So, Zozobra, since you're obviously alone for the holidays and with an incredible amount of time on your hands, I'd like to invite you over. I hate to see someone so alone and so needing human interaction at this special time of year.
We'll have egg nog.
"Shut up! JUST SHUT UP! Cut his mic!!!!!"
No mics will need to be cut during Ignore the Brownshirts Week - their sputtering inanities will simply drift away on gossamer wings, never to be seen or commented upon.
(Cue Paul Anka and Glenn.)
Just don't look! Just don't look!
Thanks, guys...
Home early, they cut the last piece. Cervantes, if that was natural. Well,... I'm at a loss for words.
Loved the book, by the way. Hate what they did to it on stage though, didn't get the point at all. Luckily I never had to play in the pit for it.
This is treason! http://tinyurl.com/x1pu
This is treason! http://tinyurl.com/x1pu
Gen. JC Christian, Patriot | Homepage | 11.29.03 - 9:48 pm | #
Treason! Hang that liberal by that yardarm and whack his pee-pee!
Jesus, the only thing Chalabi left out was Santa showing up and giving Georgie a new pony to replace the one he killed by feeding it beer when he was a teenager, with Jesus riding shotgun in the sleigh.
on the idea that the country is not really, in any functional or logical way, being "run": I think it was Al Franken who recently said Democratic administrations have this habit of picking up after their lousy, irresponsible, destructive, selfish Republican predecessors. ReaganBush smashes things up, overspends and undertaxes, wrecks the environment, now Clionton has to clean up. Already Dean, and the others who will hopefully lose to him in the nomination, have admitted their "platforms" are pretty much defined by Bush: their first years will be consumed with cleaning up his mess, and later will come up with their own good initiatives. Look up the guy who had to pick up after Warren G Harding or U.S. Grant or Rutherford B Hayes or similarly incompetant presidents, though Bush is clearly the worst, and you'll probably see a similar pattern. Franken's point (if it was Franken) was, Stop it! If the Republicans screw something up, stop letting them negatively define you, just do wha
kei and yuri not thinking, retract last colossal blahblahblahing.
not too late to impeach evildoers after we thoroughly spank them nov04?
does anybody know if the old rule, "can only impeach while still in office," applies? we go to senate.gov to find out, in any event no impeachment until both democratic congress and less unapologetically stupid america...
EPT: "Loved the book, by the way."
Thank you. An ill-favored thing, no doubt, but mine own.
"Hate what they did to it on stage though, didn't get the point at all."
"A discerning friend of mine," said Don Quixote, "was of opinion
that no one ought to waste labour in glossing verses; and the reason
he gave was that the gloss can never come up to the text, and that
often or most frequently it wanders away from the meaning and
purpose aimed at in the glossed lines; and besides, that the laws of
the gloss were too strict, as they did not allow interrogations, nor
'said he,' nor 'I say,' nor turning verbs into nouns, or altering
the construction, not to speak of other restrictions and limitations
that fetter gloss-writers, as you no doubt know."
Best,
Hey, Kei and Yuri, maybe I don't know what's going on, but is that an act you all are puttin' on, 'cause my wife, she's Japanese, and I think I'm kinda offended by the way you're talkin'.
Wouldja let me know what's goin' on?
I like that scene where Don Quixote and Sancho vomit into each others' mouths.
Cool.
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!?!?!??!!
Hey, Atrios. C'mere a second.
down here... c'mon...
Go fuck yourself, Asshat. 
He's bAAAAaaaaaak
People are sitting around waiting for my entrance!
No Self Centered Anon you just happened to post when I hit refresh
Sure, lil bitch. That's believable.
You like being my bitch?
HAPPY IGNORE THE BROWNSHIRTS WEEK!!!
Dave's been sitting around, waiting for me! Too funny!
Why don't you go sit in a hole and bury yourself, brownshirt fuck?
That didn't last long, eh, dave?
Ignore the brownshirt.
Every response is another tissue full of dead sperm (if you get my meaning)...
CNN's headline tonight:
Iraq's deadliest month
As usual, this post was poetic in its timing. Hard not to look back at the nonsense and be awestruck by how far things have degenerated as we look back on this bloody month. No secret trips under cover of darkness or armies of distracting brownshirts are going to distract from the nightmare going on over there and the huge gap between this world and the one promised before the war.
Only a loyal cadre of compliant media organizations are keeping the president from being hounded out of office by reporting these things in disconnect, as if they just happened independent of the President's behavior and policies.
Yeah, Anonymous, I'm just waiting around for your triumphant return
And THAT's more plausible than hitting refresh at about the same time as you posted
[[ Yeah, Anonymous, I'm just waiting around for your triumphant return
And THAT's more plausible than hitting refresh at about the same time as you posted]]
Good you can admit it, b.
I don't mind the cutting-and-pasting, but I think making up posts so they can be responded to goes over the line...
Thankfully, it's IGNORE THE BROWNSHIRTS WEEK - don't forget it.
I don't mind the cutting-and-pasting, but I think making up posts so they can be responded to goes over the line...
Thankfully, it's IGNORE THE BROWNSHIRTS WEEK - don't forget it.
dave | Homepage | 11.30.03 - 1:06 am | #
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Still ignoring your own advice to ignore, spaz?
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I think you meant brown shit.
Seriously, Anonnymoose, cut it out, you're spooking the horses.
And I'd like to apologise for breaking my promise of two days ago, but I think this guy is pathological and needs to be addressed.
I think this guy is pathological and needs to be addressed.
The worst thing that can happen to such a personality is to be IGNORED.
Hi, DramaX. I'm actually a subversive agent and a sociopath without peer.
"I don't mind the cutting-and-pasting, but I think making up posts so they can be responded to goes over the line..."
Unfortunately Dave, there's two of us.
I think this guy is pathological and needs to be addressed.
The worst thing that can happen to such a personality is to be IGNORED.
dave | Homepage | 11.30.03 - 1:22 am | #
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Yet, you can't stop paying attention to me and talking to me indirectly!
Keep it up, spaz. I enjoy your little antics.
There's actually 17 of us. We work in shifts.
Dave, by my count you've posted more than a dozen comments exhorting the rest of us to ignore so-and-so. What's wrong with this picture?
Best,
You mean "shits", right? And, I'll stop responding now, sorry.
dave, you obviously have some control issues. Does it bother you that no one is paying attention to your feeble little pleas? Does it bother you that you're so feeble that even you don't listen to yourself?
Say brownshirt again, twerpy.
For this to work, everyone, just IGNORE that brownshirt, no matter what he does. We can do it. He'll be seething and will eventually leave.
Re: What Was Supposed to Happen
Isn't Phase 3: The Armageddon supposed to kick in should the other plans fail? Just askin'!
So, what's it like being inferior beings? Dave, you first. Then MistyX can jump in with his sadsack tale.
Call me crazy, but my analysis is that the new trolling psyops strategy is to foster stupid endless arguments between
1) fake Atrios fans calling people "brownshirts" at an exaggerated rate
2) fake Atrios fans talking about how hurt they are by what a nasty, intolerant place the board has become
and
3) serious students of politics in America
I know we'll get to the bottom of this.
As the original Anonymous on Eschaton, I am surprised that Atrios didn't trumpet Instahack's praise of Hillary Clinton comments this evening. Or is Hillary now persona non grata for supporting the Liberation of Iraq?
Sorry John, Dave's been calling people brownshirts, MBF's, and employees of Unka Karl's boiler room for at least a year.
Now (the other, or one of the other)Anonymous(es) thinks this is in itself bad form, however I'll leave it to the reader to decide.
The sad part is my Anonymous children are such hacks. Guys, if you are going to be Anonymous, quit being so lame. We have standards.
The sad part is my Anonymous children are such hacks. Guys, if you are going to be Anonymous, quit being so lame. We have standards.
Sorry, double post. It's getting hard to see the screen at my age.
Sorry, double post. It's getting hard to see the screen at my age.
Damnit! I did it again! Maybe I'm just getting batty. Sheesh!
Damnit! I did it again! Maybe I'm just getting batty. Sheesh!
Quit hitting refresh. Because haloscan sucks, when you post a comment you then have to close the comments window and reopen it, otherwise when you refresh the window it reposts your message.
Oh, FOR FUCKS SAKE!! I don't know HWAT I'M DOING WRONG!!! I'm leaving this place for good. The noble name Anonymous has been corrupted by miscreants. I leave you with thr bad and inferior Anonymous(es) who will surely plague you.
Good day!
See? They're just common PEDNATS!
I mean it this time - I'm gone for good.
Dammit! I did it again! Maybe I'm just getting batty. Sheesh!
The 'dave' who frequents this site seems to offer nothing but vulger ad hominem and baiting and as far as I can see is the quintessential troll. His comments are nothing but juvenile 'Hey, look at clever me' outbursts. For dave to ignore trolls would require that ignore his own need to comment in his usual fashion. I don't think he could do it.
Hmm. Not much happening here.
Recall the clone-aid baby clone situation? Here is a good blast from the past about how the press deals with issues. Very telling peice. Short too!
As you all can see, I am the sole rightful owner of the name "Anonymous", and if anyone uses my name again, I will expose your real identity in court and take every penny you will ever earn.
You know, I kept thinking "hey this sure sounds like Iraq!" as I read about the press's travails w/ clonaid. Then the ole' switcheroo at the end. Great link, john.
What the hell ever happened to the cultaid, I mean, cloneaid story? Did it finally get debunked or did it just die from lack of supportng evidence?
Any man who says that he's never checked out another guy in a locker room is just lying.
Everybody does it.
Myspacebarisbroken.
I am the only me that ever there was,
I am the only me that ever will be,
I am the only me that ever there was,
I am the only me that ever there was...
"Meanwhile, Clonaid, a company founded by the leader of a religious sect that believes space aliens created life on Earth, claims it has produced five babies through cloning. Clonaid grabbed headlines last December by announcing the first such baby had been born, but that claim has been dismissed by scientists for lack of proof. "
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/1...oning.today.ap/
So I guess they're still claiming
"Meanwhile, Clonaid, a company founded by the leader of a religious sect that believes space aliens created life on Earth, claims it has produced five babies through cloning. Clonaid grabbed headlines last December by announcing the first such baby had been born, but that claim has been dismissed by scientists for lack of proof. "
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/1...oning.today.ap/
So I guess they're still claiming
"Meanwhile, Clonaid, a company founded by the leader of a religious sect that believes space aliens created life on Earth, claims it has produced five babies through cloning. Clonaid grabbed headlines last December by announcing the first such baby had been born, but that claim has been dismissed by scientists for lack of proof."
Definately proof enough to bomb iraq.
Good night. Gotta sleep.
Under the light the pinned insect(
lacking prooves of clippity-clop)
gallops garrulously thru trodden piths.
Or statements of fact.
Heeding only the 32nd divisble foot
(or is it hoof)
and not the corrupted metre
he plops his rhythm, squatting astride the others path
Enjoined in solipsistic melody
His cloth is unknown
Weaving tritone musics
With threads of nature's making.
Please johnx, you don't know the difference in timezones of the West Coast of the United States and that of Baghdad. Or are you still claiming that President Bush force feed US Soldiers Turkey and Stuffing for breakfast instead of dinner?
Basted Turkey, YUM
Stuffing juiced in the innards of dinners.
Sustaining the explosive blooming of gardens
We harvest the land, expectant of our succulent feast
Timeless, we duplicate identity divided. Marching to the ladle
The cradle is burnt
I is I, one to one
But if I am dolly, I am not I
You are me
One is not one
Though one may be three
The Official Slogan of Ignore the Brownshirts Week:
ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...™
Time is inconstant
Different depths may take on different geographies
But divergent subjects on the same path may include exigencies
Not mitigated by legal recourse
However, sameness is something retained
On that note, lectures about differance
often reveal themselves through reconstruction
But then the atom is just sometimes an item.
And sometimes it is a mote
Or is it remote?
Time may tell
But it seldom changes.
The garment from the factory
retains its artificial color
Until washed, cleansed of the dye caste
If attention is not given
Often you will fade
into dreams of building
but they will be only be dreams
with only the film of reality
residue easily washed off
residue with a simple fee
the state ignored
cannot come to fruition
The question is, or should be, what is are the names of the Syrian and Iranain exiles who are no doubt currently feeding our dear exalted leaders a similar line of bull? We need to discredit them before their lies gain currency.
Perhaps invading Iraq and toppling Saddam was part of Osamah's grand plan? Perhaps Usamah suspected we could not maintain an occupation and it would only serve to destabilize secular Iraq and enable a theocratic govt to be established once the paper tiger left...nah...I'm probally wrong.
Female Dogs Braying at
Male Dogs Spraying
Territory of claiming
Barked and pissed upon.
The question remains:
If the dog(s) throw(s)up on the couch can the couch be blamed?
Whether or not, just piss on the couch
the question becomes moot.
At any rate
It is no triumph
when the dog squats.
>Blown Out
"9:31 a.m. Washington time," Allen wrote in his dispatch. "Touched down in swift abrupt landing ... " here.
"Air Force One touched down at Baghdad International Airport, under cover of darkness, at 5:20 AM Baghdad time." Here
"A little after 5 a.m. Baghdad time, about 10 hours after takeoff from Andrews, the cabin lights were turned off and all the shades were down. Twenty minutes later, we touched down in Baghdad" Here
"5:09 p.m. Baghdad time (9:09 a.m. EST): Cabin lights are turned off. Window shades are down." - here
Lots of different reports. Someone is right, someone is wrong. I wasn't there myself, only offered quotes and links.
This is why so many supported the war:
"FAIR did a a study. In the week leading up to General Colin Powell going to the security council to make his case for the invasion and the week afterwards, this was the period where more than half of the people in this country were opposed to an invasion. They did a study of CBS evening news, NBC nightly news, ABC evening news and the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer on PBS. The four major newscasts. Two weeks. 393 interviews on war. 3 were anti-war voices. 3 of almost 400 and that included PBS."
"Independent Media at a Time of War"
Go, Ellen!!!
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/sto...0311/
S00262.htm
911 Victim’s Wife, Ellen Mariani, files RICO Act [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act]Federal Court Complaint against President Bush
and Cabinet Members
Ellen's open letter to Chimpy.
Open Letter To The President Of The United States Mr. Bush,
This ''open letter'' is coming from my heart. I want you to know that I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat and that this is not an attempt to ''bash the Government''.
You Mr. Bush should be held responsible and liable for any and all acts that were committed to aid in any "cover up" of the tragic events of September 11, 2001. As President you have a duty to protect the American people. On September 11th you did not instruct your staff to issue a nationwide emergency warning/alert to advise us of the attack on America. We had to receive the news of the attacks via the news networks.
In the months leading up to the attacks you were repeatedly advised of a possible attack on American soil. During your daily intelligence briefings you were given information that had been uncovered that the very real possibility existed that certain undesirable elements would use com
cont.
In the months leading up to the attacks you were repeatedly advised of a possible attack on American soil. During your daily intelligence briefings you were given information that had been uncovered that the very real possibility existed that certain undesirable elements would use commercial aircraft to destroy certain "target" buildings. You never warned the American people of this possible threat. Who were you protecting?
When you took no responsibility towards protecting the general public from the possibility of attack, you were certainly not upholding the oath you spoke when you took office. In that oath you pledged to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America.
On the morning of the attack, you and members of your staff were fully aware of the unfolding events yet you chose to continue on to the Emma E. Booker Elementary School to proceed with a scheduled event and "photo op". While our nation was under attack you did not appear to blink an eye or
cont.
On the morning of the attack, you and members of your staff were fully aware of the unfolding events yet you chose to continue on to the Emma E. Booker Elementary School to proceed with a scheduled event and "photo op". While our nation was under attack you did not appear to blink an eye or shed a tear. You continued on as if everything was "business as usual".
In the days following the attacks all air traffic was grounded and Americans, including myself, were stranded wherever they had been when the flight ban was imposed. I was stranded at Midway Airport in Chicago, unable to continue on to California for my daughter's wedding. Imagine my surprise when I later found out that during this "no fly" period a number of people were flown out of the country on a 747 with Arabic lettering on the fuselage. None of these people were interviewed or questioned by any local, State or Federal agencies. Why were they allowed to leave and who exactly was on that flight. We know fo
Why were they allowed to leave and who exactly was on that flight. We know for a fact that some of the people on the flight were members of (or related to) the royal family of Saudi Arabia and members of the Bin Laden family. Were these people allowed to leave because of the long-standing relationships that your family has with both families?
It is my belief that you intentionally allowed 9/11 to happen to gather public support for a "war on terrorism". These wars, in Afghanistan and Iraq, have not accomplished what you stated were your goals. Why have you not captured Osama Bin Laden? Where are Saddam's weapons of mass destruction? All that has happened is a bill that is passed before Congress for 87 billion dollars to rebuild what you ordered blown to bits. As an American who lost a loved one in the "war on terror" I do pray and support our troops who were sent to Afghanistan and Iraq by you. These troops have and will continue to die for your lies. As an American I can make
sigh.
Oh, hell...I screwed up the link too. the link to the letter:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/sto...0311/
S00262.htm
I think...
link to article
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/sto...0311/
S00261.htm
Go Ellen!
Another Excerpt: "In the court of public opinion Mr. Bush, your lies are being uncovered each day. My husband, all of the other victims and their families and our nation as a whole, has been victimized by your failed leadership prior to and after 9/11!"
I will prove this in a court of law!
"911 Victim Ellen Mariani Open Letter To The President Of The United States" - Here
Thanks JohnX! Now, the question is will SCLM of the good ol' U.S. of Murdoch pick it up?
Ellen is a goddess!
Interesting poll on NEWSWEEK
Should George W. Bush have gone to Iraq?
* 1281 responses
Yes. It showed courage and boosted troop morale
43%
No. The trip was too risky
2%
No. It was just a political stunt
53%
Don't know
3%
Whether or not Shrub should have gone to Baghdad, the fact is that, if he wanted to go there, he should have gone in broad daylight, in full view of the Iraqis. The fact that he went there in secret, in dark of night, says volumes about the embarrassment of the visit.
Totally embarrassing.
Isn't it funny how Dubya goes over to Iraq to visit the troops in order to find some other "often shown vid clip" to replace the ones of him prancing around on the Lincoln and now suddenly the media is reporting all the deaths over the past 24-hours (U.S., Japanese, Spanish, South Korean) as "13 dead" instead of breaking each story up?
Whoa! Looks like this thread was hijacked by a bunch of pissing trolls. Well, then I guess that was the idea wasn't it?
53% noes to 43% yesses bush should not have gone to Iraq. Isn't that the first time it's fallen so squarely negative for anything done by this little man? And only a couple of days past the event ...
Johnx, the chronology of the WaPo piece is internally inconsistent. 10:45 pm takeoff + 10 hour flight time + 8 hour time differential = afternoon arrival not early morning. Madsen is completely incorrect.
"In the months leading up to the attacks you were repeatedly advised of a possible attack on American soil. During your daily intelligence briefings you were given information that had been uncovered that the very real possibility existed that certain undesirable elements would use com
From the choir | 11.30.03 - 5:48 am | #"
I think Afghanistan Northern Alliance Leader, Tajik Commander Masood, who was soon assassinated by Al Queda two days before 911, over the prior summer months of 2001, tried to warn America through the Bush administration which had received those reports -- no doubt -- in Bush's morning briefings. At worst, the evil GOP bastards behind Bush wanted a military stand-down during the events of 911 for PNAC and/or war-profiteering. And at the least, it was gross incompetence while Bush fished away those warnings vacationing at his ranch in Crawford. Bush was terrified of something during those first days about something. Remember? That was when the question
question..... was, "What did Bush know and when did he know it?"
Johnx, the chronology of the WaPo piece is internally inconsistent. 10:45 pm takeoff + 10 hour flight time + 8 hour time differential = afternoon arrival not early morning. Madsen is completely incorrect.
Buttplug
Okay. I wrote the author. Below will be his reply.
From:WMadsen777@aol.com (author of counter-punch article.
In a message dated 11/30/2003 12:56:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, nospam@nospam.com writes:
"Air Force One touched down at Baghdad International Airport, under cover of darkness, at 5:20AM Baghdad time."
http://www.counterpunch.org/
mads...en11282003.html
And then I read this on CNN:
"5:31 p.m. (9:31 a.m. EST): Air Force One touches down at Baghdad International Airport. It is the first time a U.S. president has
visited Iraq. The people on the ground at the airport do not know it is Air Force One landing. "
The reports are in conflict... and there has been no correction by the Post's reporter at least as of Saturday, 29 Nov.
wm
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