I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Um, uh. His other left. Yeah, that's what I meant.
Nevermind his ass from his elbow.
This is some kind of beautiful metaphor for the wingnuts as a whole.
Anyway, it obviously flipped - the lapel pin's on the left, where it's supposed to be.
See, it's on the left side when you're looking at him from the front. Why do you leftists always take everything out of context?
Dean is so far to the left that he has two left hands. Yeah, that's it, two left hands.
What a bunch of Sinistrophobes.
As a Democrat you have to understand that they're all cursed with two left hands.
Missed it by seconds.
I don't know what's worse -- that they don't know right from left, or that they think it matters which hand he raised.
To help wingnuts understand the statement above here's the Pickler-ized version:
When they criticize Dean for raising his left hand, they fail to mention that Bush is a lying sack of shit.
Wow, what a lie. It would be like if Dean:
1. said during the debate that he made his comments about Bush knowing about 9/11 on Fox News, when it was really on NPR
2. said he would release his secret files when Bush did -- and then backtracked when he found out Bush had years ago
3. talked about the Soviet Union in the present tense
4. demagogued on Enron when he has his own shady dealings with big energy
5. lied about his medicare statements in the past
Maybe Dean's habitual lying is a beautiful metaphor for Democrats as a whole.
Shorter Brownshirt: I don't even know the meaning of the phrase "cognitive dissonance."
Even Shorter Brownshirt: I'm scared!
Still Shorter Brownshirt: Nedra! Help!!!
I agree with whoever said the other day that we ought to start calling them Brownpants, since they're so obviously shitting themselves in fear.
Still shorter Brownshirt: Dean lies!
Shortest Brownshirt: I pooped.
dear b.s.,
not all the guv's papers are release yet because they've not all been cataloged. yes, i wrote to the archives and asked. if you like i'll post an un-edited (except for my email address) copy of the reply.
so, take a deep breath, calm down, get some facts, then bite me.
most sincerely,
J.T.
Not so short brownshirt: Am I typing this OK, Mr. Rove?
One of the things that makes Karl Rove (and me) happiest in life is that pointing out Dean's habitual lies and flip flops only strenghtens Dean's support by making his followers more shrill, angry, radical, and out of touch. It's a virtuous cycle for Republicans.
I just can't wait for McGovern II. Oh boy, oh boy!!
preznit giv yoo turkee!!!
Luckily for normal people, the malevolent idealogues over at townhall are only taken seriously by ill-informed nutters like the BS above at 4:03 pm.
Point 1 is idiotic and fails to mention that Bush is stonewalling the 9/11 Comission.
Point 2 Fails to mention that the papers from the Bush Governorship are not available.
Point 3 fails to mention that Bush said Sadaam wouldn't let the inspectors in when that statement conflicts with reality.
Point 4 fails to mention that Kenny Boy is not yet in jail.
Point 5 fails to mention that there is no evidence whatsoever of Medicare lies.
mr. rove? does mr. rove like it when your lips stick to his butt? oops, i forgot i was supposed to be civil.
I'm not too fond of the smell of moronic brownshirt fucks crapping in their pants in the morning, but yes, it does smell like victory!
Bush sent his archives to daddy's library in College Station.
more short Brownshirt:no facts.
It was just a case of the Liberal Media printing the photo reversed, so it would look like his right hand. Sneaky bastards, those American-Hating Liberals.
Another reason they all need to be lined up against the wall and SLAPPED. (wink wink nudge nudge.)
If you keep repeating something, does that make it true? All 2,100 boxes of Bush's statehouse records are held by the Texas State Library and Archives Commission, where they are subject to the open-records law.
But of course Dean is not going to unseal the records that show him cozying up to Big Energy, NRA, praising Gingrich, and whatever else he is hiding.
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Herbert Hoover I > FDR
Herbert Hoover II (aka GWB) > FDR II (aka Howard Dean).
All 2,100 boxes of Bush's statehouse records are held by the Texas State Library and Archives Commission, where they are subject to the open-records law.
Bzzz! Thanks for playing. Read:
When Dubya left office in Texas in 2000, he shipped his gubernatorial records to his daddy's presidential library on the campus of Texas A&M. According to Texas State Archivist Chris LaPlante, they were totally inaccessible to the public. There was no staff to catalogue them, said Laplante. And since "They were physically in a federal facility, they were subject to federal, rather than Texas, public-records law."
After complaints were made, said LaPlante, the attorney general ruled they should be shipped to the state archive for cataloguing. The Bush records arrived in Austin in August 2002. According to LaPlante, it's going to take another three years to complete the cataloguing. Then they'll be shipped back to daddy's library.
But of course Dean is not going to unseal the records that show him cozying up to Big Energy, NRA, praising Gingrich, and whatever else he is hiding.
Wrong again, but keep trying. Read:
Dean said this week that he would leave the matter up to the judge in the Judicial Watch lawsuit. Deputy Secretary of State William A. Dalton, whose staff oversees the archives, said a decision could be months away, but he is preparing his staff for the possibility that the court, or Dean himself, will make some documents available sooner.
Or are you going to argue that the civil suit process shouldn't be allowed to proceed?
Of course, the whole issue is bogus, but whatever. That's politics.
As for your other silly points, I don't think it's even worth my time to counter them. I'm trying to be a good boy and not to feed the trolls.
He he he. I love it. How about the NH poll that shows Bush beating Dean by an almost 2-1 margin. Just keep defending the guy. McGovern II -- it is going to be fun to sit back and watch!! Preznit giv mi turkee!!!
Is Dean mcGovern II? Funny, we were just talking about that.
http://www.wasuvi.com/MT/archive...ves/
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When did they start calling *themselves* Brownshirts? When do they start stabbing each other? (or did someone forget to tell tham about The Night of the Long Kni...[this comment has been truncated to prevent the inevitable invocation of Godwin's Law. Thank you for playing, please proceed to the next comment]
Hey Brownshirt---is that whistling I hear as you go past the graveyard? Maybe the wingnut fantasy is a reprise of McGovern, but out here where Bush's obvious and manifest unfitness is plain as the nose on your face....ooops, I forgot where your nose is buried. Maybe Uncle Karl will let you have it back when he finishes shitting all over it.
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If you keep repeating something, does that make it true?
Where's the Ironic tag when you really need it?
I've heard most of the debates, and if it weren't for the Lieberman corpse propped nearby, Dean would have seemed like the one of the flattest and most timid guys on the stage.
Devoured his web site and find he speaks in broad, marketing friendly language - as does Clark - full of what America could be rather than what specifically he will do.
I dream at night of Bush back home in Crawford, but I’m sad my guy has already been chosen and they tell me our two best hopes are the two who speak most like Bush, in macho metaphors and vagaries. (Listen to Kucinich for half a minute and you know exactly what he stands for, which might part of why he is so done).
Our friends at Faux tell us Gov. Dean is full of fire and hate speech, and he is galvanizing the angry left. But I'm angry, very angry, and I find him lukewarm, like a New Hampshire doctor who’s offering me club soda for my tumors.
But I’m on the lot. I’m ready to buy. Somebody tell me why this centrist Governor from a tiny state has been foretold as The One. I wanna believe.
In 1994, I watched the Pennsylvania Governor candidates’ debate with a Republican coworker. He observed that when the two candidates walked onstage, the Republican was the first to extend his hand to shake with the Democrat. “See? The hostile Democrat didn’t want to shake hands, but the valiant Republican made him.”
Judging politicians by hand gestures is apparently standard practice for the GOP.
But of course Dean is not going to unseal the records that show him cozying up to Big Energy, NRA, praising Gingrich, and whatever else he is hiding.
Now I'm confused. I thought Dean was supposed to be a liberal, another McGovern type. Now I hear he's a friend to energy, the NRA and Gingrich?
Wait, I know, it's Calvinball*. On Mondays and Tuesdays Dean is the liberal incarnation of McGovern, on Wednesdays and Thursdays he's an NRA love'n Gingrich praising Bush incarnate. Fridays and Saturdays he's a pro-gay marriage God-hating commie and on Sundays he's a States Rights advocate kissing up to the energy cartel.
Now, if either Monday or Tuesday fall in the first half of the month Dean's for cutting and running on Iraq but if they fall on the second half of the month Dean's for staying the course and "finishing the job." Should any Thursday fall on an even day he's both a Gingrich buddy AND a draft dodger; on an odd day and he's a freedom hater hiding his papers and a Putin buddy. Oh, wait, that's gW - never mind. Make that Ken Lay buddy. DOH! Maybe not. Let's just call it Big Energy to be safe, shall we?
Should any day end in a Y Dean's an unabashed liar, unless he's talking smack about Glorious Leader in which case he's speaking from the heart, which he doesn't have anyway, except on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays when it can be found to be bleeding.
Everyone with me so far? Great. Now, if it's AM then Dean's unelectable because he's too far to the right and they think anyone else should get the Dem nomination, but if it's PM then Dean's unelectable because he's too far to the left and they think he should get the nomination -- but only because he's so much like McGovern (you have to ignore the obvious follow-up comparisons of Bush to Nixon to play along).
*Rules subject to change with a wave of Rove's hand.
you want irony???
Thumb - how do you get Haloscan to accept your 1500 word comment when I get truncated at 1000?
Who do I have to bribe?
Maybe it's a quality vs. quanity thing. Mine are overwrought. Yours was worth every word. Touche.
Loonan Noonan explained that the debate anger is towards big media, because the (little) people can identify with anger toward big media.
Reality check -
1 - Disgust is not the same as anger.
2 - Maybe the candidates were annoyed because Koeppel showed shit for brains, but we know that Peg can't tell the difference.
3 - Big media, as in the media that got an ownership break in Congress after a veto threat from the White House.
I guess Peg has those notes written on her other left hand.
(I saw whats-it Country on MSNBC and Noonan was the MSNBC guest analyst)
Dean does not = McGovern. It's quite possible that he'll be more like Barry Goldwater. I think if he wins the nomination, there is a chance for Bush winning overwhelmingly during the general election. However, he is also the best candidate I see of the nine. Lieberman's virtually a Republican. Braun and Sharpton are vanity candidates. Braun also has some baggage attached to her as well. Edwards has a good future ahead of him, but he's grasping for the highest position too early. Kucinich, though I respect him, is too leftist for me, and for the rest of the country. Clark has never held an elected office, and now he's going for the highest position in the land? Gephardt, God bless him is a working-man's man, but he's got a history of being spineless. Kerry is probably my second choice. His resume is the best of all the candidates. However, he has run such an inept primary campaign, how would he do against Bush?
That leaves Dean, who has run a very good campaign, and has a hardcore following of young, dynamic people. I like that he's a centrist, being one myself. Dean has many flaws, one of which is inconsistency as Brooks pointed out. His draft deferment and gubernatorial archive controversy also serve to give people some pause. However, I think the man is less important than the following. For some reason, Dean energizes these people. Dean offers hope for the Democratic Party to reverse course from veering right, to going back to its roots. The man himself is centrist enough to draw moderates and some conservatives, that maybe, just maybe he can win against Bush in 2004.
If not, that following he leaves behind might just be the forming of a nucleus that brings the Democratic Party back to its populist roots. That's what Goldwater did with the Republican Party.
How about the NH poll that shows Bush beating Dean by an almost 2-1 margin.
Cite? And do you really think NH is the bellwether of the Electoral College?
Our friends at Faux tell us Gov. Dean is full of fire and hate speech...I find him lukewarm...
Watch him speak. He's substantially more passionate than any website can demonstrate. And have you looked at the other candidates' websites? The web is just a channel, a mechanism for getting donations--e-commerce, nothing more.
Thumb nails it.
Adam-4-4-2:that was perfect.
I agree 100% in your analysis of the candidates.
I think Dean will be better about consistency in the genral campaign-- he HAS to be. The records flap and the draft issue are nothing, IMO.
Adam 4-4-2
What Alex said.
"How about the NH poll that shows Bush beating Dean by an almost 2-1 margin?"
Can somebody please explain who these people are who participate in these polls? I'm actually a little disappointed that it is only a 2-1 margin. I expected that democrats as a whole would be smart enough to look at the caller ID and see the call is from a research company and let it ring.
In light of the huge response to the Do Not Call list, who is left to take these surveys? Why would someone who doesn't want unsolicited calls answer a call from a marketing firm?
I think Dean will be better about consistency in the genral campaign-- he HAS to be. The records flap and the draft issue are nothing, IMO.
I agree. Even a moron (except a very bright Kristof) should be able to see that Bush's record is a lot worse. A medical deferment out of the draft wasn't all that unique. Getting politicked your way into a sweet position in a unit that had no chance of seeing a war zone, and then not even reporting is quite unique. Also, it seems that Dean is trying to rectify this entire deal with his gubernatorial records. Bush is on record of running the most closed and secret administration ever.
About Dean's inconsistencies, I also agree. I think he is only trying to gain name recognition. If and when he wins the nomination, then he'll start offering more substantial solutions. At least, I hope so.
Adam 4-4-2--
Yeah, I hope he'll start offering better more specific policy ideas too. I'm sure he has them. I went too Dean's website yesterday to try to see what was there on his Iraq war position, since that has been criticized lately. Dean does have a seven point plan for dealing with Iraq, but it was a little glib and his opinion on the war is kind of vague overall as represented by the website. I expected to see some strong condemnation of Bush's policies on Iraq, and didn't really see it (it could be there, but it wasn't obvious). Instead they had some incredibly long summary of events leading up to the Iraq war which was actually very bland. So Dean's reputation MUST be built by his speeches at rallies, and the stuff I've heard has been good. But he does need to get over the extemoraneous speaking habit-- he just trips over his tongue too much. Even if he has good points, they come across badly. Dean is also going to killed on his pledge to reverse the Bush tax cuts. Unless he comes out with something like new middle class tax cuts after repealing the Bush tax cuts.
But I still have to give Dean a lot of credit for being WAY ahead of the curve on understanding how disastrous Bush is.
In the words of Dr. J. Bowden Hapgood from Stephen Sondheim's ANYONE CAN WHISTLE:
The opposite of left is right
The opposite of right is wrong
So anyone who's left is wrong, right?
Not only is Alexander's point wrong, it's frickin' pointless. And it galls me that many who read it will go, "Yup, yup, yup, somethin' must be wrong with Dean".
I hereby propose deep-sixing the terms "dittohead", "right-winger", etc., etc., and calling these ineptly evil liars and their audience Snerd Boys, as in Mortimer. They blather, they add nothing but noise to the debate, and if you tell 'em something once, it sticks like epoxy in their wooden-like heads, allowing them to run to the most bizarre conclusions.
If you're talking about me, filkertom, I support Dean. I have given him $300 so far. So I think I can criticize him without being called a troll. I want him to win, okay? Be realistic-- Dean's is far from perfect. However he does have time to iron out a few problems for the general election.
Given this new attack ad against Dean, I can't really tell left from right anymore either.
Thumb- It's not Calvinball, it's Fizzbin. Think about it...
Nope, Alex, not you. I didn't mean to imply anyone in particular was a troll, either, and I'm sorry if you or anyone else took it that way.
I'm talking about those in the general populace who, upon hearing something spouted as a definitive, hard-edged fact by a right-wing pundit, nods and thinks, "Hmmm. Said it on TV/in print/on the Internet. Must be so."
Anyone who thinks critically is, by definition, not a Snerd Boy. And, by all means, don't stop criticizing Dean. I'm hopeful myself, but I'm not sold on him yet. I'm just of the opinion that we cannot let the fervent supporters of BushCo dictate the course of the criticism.
I'm telling you, to everyone who says that Dean is McGovern, smack 'em with "Bush is Bush."
Thumb- It's not Calvinball, it's Fizzbin. Think about it...
Fizzbin . . . fizzbin . . .
Drawing a blank here.
When Atrios mentions accuses Mark Alexander of lying about Howard Dean's angry, communist inspired raising of his left hand in a mentally unbalanced demonstration of anti-semitic so called criticism of the Jewish state, he also fails to mentinon that Clinton was the recipient of oral sex from an intern the age of his daughter of whom he ruthlessly abused his presidential authority before lying to congress under oath.
"Thanks to the most crudely partisan decision in the history of the Supreme Court, the nation has been given a President of painfully limited wisdom and compassion and lacking any sense of the nation's true greatness. Appearing to enjoy his role as Commander in Chief of the armed forces above all other functions of his office, and unchecked by a seemingly timid Congress, a compliant Supreme Court, a largely subservient press and a corrupt corporate plutocracy, George W. Bush has set the nation on a course for one-man rule."--George McGovern
Wow, is "Dean is McGovern" suppose to be an insult? Sounds to me like that FlipYrWhig's retort "Bush is Bush" is clearly more of an insult.
Adam - thanks for the great analysis.
Having worked as a consultant on several local, state, and congressional campaigns, I'm completely inured to the cult of personality that attracts many supporters to various candidates. Dean isn't perfect; no candidate is. I still maintain that at least 4 of the candidates could beat Bush if they ran a good campaign. I ended up behind Dean because he was the only one who seemed to recognize the need to reform the party, while at the same time, taking the fight to Bush early on. He's run a brilliant campaign so far which has shown me he is capable of doing the same against Bush. And I'm convinced that if he goes down, he will go down swinging, which in combination with running a good campaign, is about all you can ask of a candidate under these types of circumstances.
I know I'm way behind on this .
But this calls for something like "The right partisan-gasbag doesn't know what the left hand is doing".
So it doesn't leap off the tongue.
It's still true.
(Bozos! They're bozos I tell ya!)
Re: Dean's medical deferment/skiing trip -- I had 3 older brothers who were in college during the Viet Nam war. The middle one was the family jock -- high school hockey, then college raquet sports (tennis and badminton, and later squash and raquetball).
He decided that if he was going to go into the service, he'd apply for OCS. His test scores were fine, but he was rejected because of a bad knee! So Mr. Macho Jock was the one with the medical deferment.
My brother continued with his racket sports, only cutting back recently after his pacemaker was inserted. If Dean's bad back is legit, all it means is that he's as "stupid" as my brother and was willing to endure pain to do something he enjoyed.
None of my brothers landed up going, but my older sister's fiance was a Marine and was killed in the hills around Khe Sahn. After seeing her dreams shattered, I despise Bush for ducking his own service, then wrapping himself in a fraudulent warrior-hero mantle.
One of the things I liked best about Clinton was his being a "draft-dodger." I figured it might make him think twice about sending other young men (and women) into a pointless war. Too bad the same didn't prove true about the Chickenhawk-in-Chief.
I'm telling you, to everyone who says that Dean is McGovern, smack 'em with "Bush is Bush."
FlipYrWhig | Email | Homepage | 12.13.03 - 10:02 pm | #
W will be just like his dad - a 1 termer. how about getting this meme out there, instead of the dean will be mcgovern one?
Fizzbin is the card game played by Spock + Kirk in the classic episode "A piece of the action". It has rules every bit as arbitrary as Calvinball.
and george waved to stevie wonder.
check and mate.
Herbert Hoover I > FDR
Herbert Hoover II (aka GWB) > FDR II (aka Howard Dean). --P. Clodius
Recall that however much fun it is to blame Hoover for the Depression (which resulted from over-speculation and greed and not by Hoover forgetting to plug the tub so the water ran out), he in his life saved MILLIONS of lives, organizing food banks in war-devastated Europe. That's plenty, and unlike the evil racist hypocrite who now holds the office (by gunpoint), Hoover had no genocide on his hands.
Dean is a Truman, not an FDR.
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