I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
will there be monkeys in the Please Touch museum there in Philly?
potato storage is a gateway to other tuber storage, dontcha know. maybe even roodabayga.
I've been to the Please Touch museum. It was sometime around 1980, when I was a kid, but I was still too old for it (my younger sister had fun though). It's for kids. I can't remember what most of the exhibits were but I remember one was a turtle that all the kids were allowed to pet and play with, etc.
Last time I heard, there was $600,000 for the "World War II Victory Museum" in Auburn, IN. This museum was created by a foundation run by the DeKalb Co, Indiana GOP Chair and a maximum contributor to IN-03 Rep. Mark Souder's campaign committee in the 2002 cycle. Souder had a huge primary fight in the '02 cycle, and every county chair was up for grabs. In '02, Souder requested - get this - $10 million - for the same museum. Fortunately, he got nothing.
Is there a quid pro quo? Anything's possible..........
Wow... I didn't know my tax dollars were going to things that were so much more important than fixing the highways (to visit the Please Touch Museum), the schools (so they can learn all about the Speed Art Museum), and it's just amazing!
Why is golf getting 2 mil while termite research gets just a couple thousand? I know it's not the sexiest kind of research but at least it's something more useful than teaching yuppie spawn how to play fucking golf!
if we are DYING for our AMERICANNESS to PUTT-PUTT and you LIBRULS make JOKES...
Actually, the please touch museum is a pretty cool thing for kids, so as pork goes it's ok.
Actually the termite research is a good thing- I believe I heard something about Formosan termites being virtually unstoppable. I think they're taking over New Orleans or something. (No Joke)
But for the other crap- sustainable olive production? is this a plot to support the martini industry?
It ain't the pork, it's the porkee.
Right now, the college I'm going to has chipping paint, the bathtub liners peeling away, *complain complain*
Can't they improve education somewhat, I mean they're giving money to rebuild a swimming pool (is that the pool the senator felt so bad about that he's using TAX money to fix it)
I hope I htmled that right...
giant potatoe guns are illegal, where is our right to arms made of potatoes? give me spud gunn or giv me turkee!
OK NPR listeners, tell me if you heard this too:
I am pretty sure, during the week just passed, that I heard some congresscritter justifying all the pork thusly (paraphrased):
"Look, I'm not doing my job for my constituents if I don't get that money spent in my district. Because if I don't get it, someone else will."
Shorter: "If I don't rob the bank, someone else will." A looter's philosophy. Organized looting of the US Treasury, i.e. our tax money.
Remember the reverse-freep on the Frist polls, and his site's headline was about he had brought something like $70 million in federal spending to Tennessee?
YAY! it worked!
$2 million for First Tee. Well God Bless America for giving financial aid to the golf industry. God knows there's not much money to be made in golf.
tater research is very BIG at the university of wisconsin at madison
as far as storage goes, have you ever smelled a tater gone bad?
do you want to?
i didnt think so.
One of the favorite sign of federal government "waste" often dredged up by "proponents" of the "zero-funded gubmint" (terms get so slippery in these days of up-is-downism) is the thousands of dollars spent on earthworm research in Mississippi. "Earthworm research?!!?" they cry. "PORK! WASTE! Repeal the income tax!" blahblah.
As someone who grows a lot of his own food, it makes me realize how far most people live from the ground that they stand on. Hey, Big Pharma- earthworms work the soil. We go food in that dirt. No earthworms==no food. You can't just live on prescription drugs and springwater, y'know....
wonder if there's any money for sustainable olive production in the West Bank?
But for the other crap- sustainable olive production? is this a plot to support the martini industry?
If it helps get a good extra virgin olive oil for a cheaper price--I say go for it.
Yeah. I remember a hue and cry over 'rust weed research' or something like that a few years ago... Then I heard that it was research into a crop disease that costs US agriculture billions a year.. So I would probably remove 'sustainable olive production', 'formosan termite research' and 'potato storage' from my list of gubmint waste. Sometimes, things may be a lot more important than they sound..
As a taxpayer, I hereby give my permission for my tax dollars to be spent on all of these with the exception of the Speed Art Museum (WTH? Art done by people on speed? Art done in 20 seconds or less?) and the First Tee golf program (grrrr....)
Actually, the rest of them sound okay to me. But then I'm a librul.
"I'm going to take two weeks, gonna have a fine vacation,
I'm gonna take my problem to the United Nations.
I called up my Congressman, and he said, quote:
'I'd like to help you, son, but you're too young to vote.'"
Sorry, I was just listening to that, and I decided it was mildly relevant. So there you go.
Add 67m USD that Halliburton charged the US army; http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/
st...1106309,00.html
Well okay, virgin olive oil, guess it is kind of a necessity. However, I think there's enough money in golf, I'm pretty sure we don't need tax dollars to support it.
speaking of lyrics that seem mildly relevant, i just heard:
"20-20-24 hours to go. I wanna be sedated"
I live in Madison, Wisconsin, and just yesterday I had to throw out a 79-cent Idaho potato because it had started to sprout. That was supposed to be my dinner; instead, I had to make do with couscous. (A much more suspiciously Middle Eastern starch, I might add.) The tragedy is not that Madison is getting a potato storage facility; the tragedy is that it wasn't built in time to save my spud.
Why does America hate my tubers?
The Please Touch Museum is actually a good thing. It gives kids a cool place to go on Saturdays so they're not sitting around watching TV and stuffing themselves with Cocoa Puffs. I'd rather my money go to that than overpriced gasoline for Iraq.
My colleague Jon had a lot on this last week.
Enjoy.
egad- I meant to say "We GROW food in that dirt."
We go food sounds like Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler-style syntax mangling. I'll think of some sort of penis-related comment to tie it all together soon, I promise...
Sorry, this is really OT but it's the most fucked-up story I've read all day. The worst part is the victim's daughter saying she doesn't blame the owner, she blames animal control. WTF! the owner is the one who chose to have (and keep, after other incidents) 7 dangerous dogs! What is he, a bystander?
None of it is bad, if you balance the budget, generate appropriate tax revenue to pay for it, and don't go spending 87B X 2 for an illegal war and occupation of a country under sanction for years, so much so that they had no real means to fight a conventional battle, but shirley seem pissed enough to go Guerilla with the best of them...
Why does Dubya hate Republican Conservative fiscal responsibles?
And don't forget the 50 MILLION DOLLARS Charles Grassley(R) gets to build a RAINFOREST in tropical Iowa(!?!)
It's very easy to criticize the money for potato storage, but unless you offer you own solution for the crisis of surplus potatoes, why should anyone listen to you? At least Arnold has done his part by offering to host the Please Touch museum in the Governor's mansion.
patrick,
I'm pretty sure earthworms were quietly doing their work for millions of years before government-funded earthworm research came about. I agree about their vital service--I'm an organic gardener, and sometimes even sold a little produce on the side. But the best way to protect them is to stop SUBSIDIZING the corporate pigs like ADM who kill off earthworms and other beneficial organisms and sterilize the soil. We already know that earthworms are good, and that what agribusiness is doing is bad; we just need to stop PAYING them to do it.
Though the budget provides $2 million for the First Tee Golf Program, it neglects to mention that neither Saddam Hussein nor Osama bin Laden have a combined handicap of 9.
Atrios has missed his chance to criticize conservative/libertarian Jacoby for his penny-wise, pound-foolish article. The few programs he criticizes average
Also, one of the other things in that spending bill was a revision to overtime rules that had been previously voted out by both the House and Senate.
There's more! Buy now and get a free Ginsu knife with your purchase!
Pork Projects
Amount
Pork Project Recipient
$725,000
Please Touch Museum, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
$200,000
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum, Cleveland, Ohio
$1,800,000
2003 Women’s World Cup Tournament
$6,000,000
Police Athletic League
$250,000
Call Me Mister program, Clemson University
$500,000
New England Amer-I-Can Program
$150,000
Rock School, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
$16,000
National Distance Running Hall of Fame, Utica, New York
$225,000
Hawaii statehood celebration
$325,000
Construction of a swimming pool in Salinas, California
$100,000
History competition during National History Day in Iowa
$175,000
Therapeutic Horse man ship center, Hoffman Homes for Youth, Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
$315,000
Formosan Subterranean Termite research
$100,000
Public service recognition week
$50,000
Father Maloney’s Boy’s Haven, Louisville, Kentucky
$75,000
Vintage Radio Programs and Jazz Museum, East Stroudsburg University
$100,000
Kids Rock Free educational program, Fender Museum of the Arts Foundation, Corona, California
$100,000
Renovation of the historic Coca-Cola building in Macon, Georgia
$100,000
Construction of an intergenerational daycare center in San Fernando Valley, California
$372,000
B&O Railroad Museum emergency restoration, Baltimore, Maryland
$75,000
Thelonious Monk Institute of Jazz, Washington, DC
$225,000
Construction of Blue-Gray Civil War Theme Park, Kentucky
$75,000
North Pole Transit System JARC Program, Alaska
$250,000
Feasibility study of establishing Suffolk (Virginia) Workforce Development Center
$350,000
Construction for a folk cultural center in Pinellas County, Florida
$400,000
Speed Art Museum, Louisville, Kentucky
$90,000
Olive fruitfly research
$150,000
Traffic light, Briarcliff Manor Union Free School District, New York
$100,000
People for People, Inc., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
$100,000
Amphitheater construction, North Star Productions, Inc., Bracken County, Kentucky
$2,000,000
First Tee program
$150,000
Regional Youth Baseball Complex Lancaster, California
$100,000
John Singelton Mosby Museum Foundation in Warrenton, Virginia
$180,000
Seafood waste research, Fairbanks, Alaska
$400,000
Walla Walla Public Schools, Walla Walla, Washington
$900,000
Kincaid Park Trail Connection, Alaska
$20,000
Southern Star Development Corporation, Louisville, Kentucky
$85,000
Comprehensive Transportation Plan for Lewisburg, West Virginia
$100,000
Norman Hall project, University of Florida
$225,000
Museum of Aviation Foundation Inc, Warner Robins, Georgia
$250,000
Lou Frey Institute of Politics, University of Central Florida
$270,000
Sustainable olive production
$5,000,000
Kennedy Center Potomac River Pedestrian and Bike Path
$100,000
National Civil War Museum, Harrisburg, Pennsylva
it had started to sprout
Couscous is food for crazy thought.
there's more in the encyclopedia brittanica too but I don't cut and paste it here with double-spaces. sheesh.
I don't necessarily object to these specific projects. What I object to is that they sound like random measures that address a wide variety of policy areas that each should be addressed holistically in agricultural, educational, public works, etc bills. The fact that they are not, and that they are lumped onto an omnibus bill, and that this is the worst example of this kind of legislation IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, is what is pathetic.
Republicans are incompetent to govern. It is as simple as that.
Each and every project in a Republic district, no doubt.
Termite eradiation/control is most defintely a legit way to spend government dollars.
HOWEVER, the taxpayer will still be charged a freakin' premium for the fruits of this work by a well-connected recepient of resulting technology/solutions.
I don't remember getting my government-research-originated drugs for free.
Why do you hate St. Augustine, Florida?
$100,000 National Civil War Museum, Harrisburg, Pennsylva
But wait! There's more
indeed! lets not forget the Dubya Memorial
Atrios - Maybe Southpaw actually does deserve a link for noting this secret "Democrat" group TV ad. Drawing a line in the feces that even the Damfacrats won't cross.
Combined with that Kos-posted poll, Damfacrats are feeling the change. Totally unrelated to the post, we know...thanks.
Atrios: Do you knnow who sponsered each of the these spending programs? Would be nice to know for the upcoming election (and I've no doubt that the Dem's did their fair share).
I don't think the dems even saw the bill until it came up for a vote.
dems got almost nothing. they were locked out of the process.
this posting may be a bit disingenuous. if $2million is for the underprivledged it may not be a bad thing. i know nothing about it but i would like to know before mocking it. Also, sustainable olive production is an environmental thing i hope and also may not be a bad thing. olive production uses huge amounts of water and is simply unsustainable. America probably should not grow olives (see farm bill) but if we are going to, we should do it sustainably and invest in ways to do that.
Check out Citizens against government waste.
hey Atrios, Nedra alert. The Guardian should know better.
Kerry accused President Bush of not giving enough financial support to firefighters, overextending troops in Iraq and failing to improve health care. Maybe Guardian edited the part where Ned says "Kerry seems to forget that the President has enchanted seniors by passing a Medicare bill to help retired first-responders and veterans."
$2Billion - 1 Sea Wolf Nuke Sub
$1Billion - 1 B1B Bomber
$350Million - 1 F22 Fighter
bombs bombs bombs bombs bombs bombs
I'm not going to say First Tee is a great use for guvmint money, but I want to point out that this program isn't for teaching rich yuppie spawn golf - It's for providing opportunities for affordable golf to kids that don't usually have the chance to do so. Especially inner city kids.
So it's actually pretty well-intentioned and involves more minorities and poor kids. Again, I know golf isn't a vital skill, but it's a pretty progressive program all the same.
$315,000
Formosan Subterranean Termite research
$90,000
Olive fruitfly research
wonder if Tom "the ExTerminator" Delay had anything to do with these?
Thanks for the Dubya Memeorial, tws--that is "priceless"
You list 9 pork projects, and I agree that 8 of them are pork, but the one in my home state should not be on your list because ........., well I'm a taxpayer, and I want my pork. Oink, oink.
these include dem districts as i see a baltimore item . in larger sceme of things this is small potato if you look at the defence ( war ) dept budget or the cost of carying out/ maintaing imperialistic adventures . as some one mentioned it would have been more worthwhile if proper discussions were held . if there is good / responsible fiscal behavior i will happily let the congress spend 100m a year on the pet projects . also i wonder how much of this focusing on trivial parts allows for not having to go into more serious money items.
First Tee Program - please, give until it hurts. Let's help to give poor inner city minority youth a chance to have a career in something other than the military.
This one is my favorite - $325,000 to fix a swimming pool that the congressman and some friends damaged when he was younger.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbi.../
120510399.html
"I have an enormous guilty conscience for putting frogs in the swimming pool when I was about 10 years old," Gibbons told The Associated Press.
Gibbons, 58, disclosed a year ago it was he and some friends who were responsible for the infamous "Polliwog Caper" that clogged the drain with tadpoles and temporarily shut down the Deer Park pool in the 1950s.
Yea, Jacoby occasionally gets his head out of his ass!!!!
No money to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. That place is complete horseshit. One of Madonna's pointy bras right next to John Lennon's guitar...and the whole induction ceremony is complete horseshit, too. I'm desperately waiting for the day someone with real balls tells 'em to go fuck themselves. Plus, Robbie Robertson's the musical head. Now, I love The Band, but he's an asshole's asshole, man.
I loved the Please Touch Museum when I was a kid. It rules! You can do all kinds of cool sciency things and they have all these interactive exhibits. You can touch everything in the museum. That's what America's all about damn it! The golfers in Florida can go fuck themselves, though.
"Plus, Robbie Robertson's the musical head. Now, I love The Band, but he's an asshole's asshole, man."
Fuckin A!
Yeah, like this is the first administration or congress to discover pork.
Smarter threads please.
Pork.....the other White Meat
The Speed Art Museum is a very nice museum. It is named after a person (J.B. Speed, I believe), and has nothing to do with 'speed' (as in 'fast'). It has a lot of very nice classical art in it, and it enriches many lives. Too bad all the other pork projects weren't of this caliber.
Fuck. No money for Creaion Science Research? Dirty Bastids!
Backslider's Rock & Roll Incredibly Useless Minutae For The Day That'll Take The Thread Way Off-Topic, But What The Hell:
In 1986, The Band's Richard Manuel - keyboardist, sometime drummer and one of rock & roll's finest vocalists - hung himself in a hotel while the Robertson-less Band was on tour. Manuel had a long, long history of drug use and mental illness, and while his bandmates were shocked and sadden, all of them, more or less, weren't completely surprised.
Robbie Robertson was supposed to give the eulogy at Manuel's funeral. The reptile-lookin' sonofabitch didn't even bother to show up. He also tried to cut Muddy Waters out of The Last Waltz to give Neil Diamond - NEIL FRIGGIN' DIAMOND - more screen time.
Asshole.
J.B. Speed?
Rats.
And here I was hoping they'd be doing a Philip K. Dick retrospective...
You oppose golf?! That's class warfare!!!
This adminstration may not be the first to ever discover the benefits of pork. But they are certianly one of the worst adminstrations when it comes to handing it out.
I'm still trying to figure out what the $1.8 million for the Women's World Cup is supposed to mean, given that it's, like, over already; and I'm pretty sure that it turned a tidy little profit, too.
Could this be retroactive payment for security and transportation services for the international teams (fast-tracking visa applications, background checks, and the like), of the sort that would occur for any major international competition?
What most of this comes down to is that pork is in the eye of the beholder. Live in the city or suburbs? Why, that earthworm research is just absurd!
No, the things to really get pissed about with this bill are all the great little provisions like the new overtime rules. Now, 9 million wage earners will be demonstrably poorer.
Did you know Bush threatened to veto the bill if it DID NOT contain the overtime rollback?
Bye-bye, 40-hour work week. This should help get those goddamn lazy-ass workers back on the production lines 16 hours a day, 6 days a week.
Derelict -- but can it lose him the election? When does it go into effect?
there's more in the encyclopedia brittanica too but I don't cut and paste it here with double-spaces. sheesh.
satiRic air tanK
Kinda makes you pine for those heady "Thousand-Character-Limit-Haloscan" days, doesn't it?
At least this time there are no funds allocated for "combating Goth culture".
You left out $400 BILLION for war. Wouldn't you rather live in a country where spending money for the Women's World Cup, or teaching kids to play golf, wasn't thought "funny," but spending money to kill people was? I know I would.
And then there's the old missile defense program the Pentagon just put thru on its budget. Billions of dollars for something you can't even prove works unless the country is attacked.
Want to be really amused about how taxpayer money is being spent?
Go read http://www.dod.mil/contracts/
Look for the golf courses, tennis courts, swimming pools, and even a $25 million dollar shopping mall (in Bahrain) And they cost alot more when the DoD (aka Halliburton or Bechtel) builds them.
Instead of potato storage, how about you just pay me and 7 of my friends $40K a year to sit home? Then we could leave these crappy jobs of our's.
Let's not forget the cow Republicans had when the midnight basketball programs were announced. Of course, these only help poor inner city kids and were proposed by Dems, so they were objectively pro-Saddam.
But wait! There's more made an impressive list of pork, but it only amounted to $27,273,000 - this is incredibly small potatoes when compared to, say, $87 billion for Iraq. Sure there's pork, but we're being penny wise and pound foolish on this one.
An entomologists' nit-pick:
Formosan termites cause roughly $300 million damage a year in the U.S. They are among our most damaging pest insects. $300 thou in research funding is a drop in the bucket, especially when this sort of research tends has a strong track record of paying for itself in the long term.
Strom Thurmond's black daughter: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/
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I really like the idea of the first two actually. The Speed Art Museum as well. I'm not sure about the others though.
The Police Athletic League is a good cause. It isn't cops playing sports, but cops sponsoring sports teams for kids in poor areas, providing them harmless recreation after school, teaching them sportsmanship, etc. I'd rather spend my money on that than on locking kids up when a lack of affordable recreation sends them out vandalizing, stealing and beating people up.
You know, when looking at Pork, a lot of people concentrate on the nickel and dime stuff, which usually has a pretty good rationale, if you look at the facts.
At the same time, the real billion dollar boondoggles seem to be unmanagable.
For example, the subsidies for corn.
I thought the grownups (ie, Republicans) were in charge, now, and this pork-barrel spending would be a thing of the past. I seem to remember something called Contract With America. What the hell happened to that? I would have thought that the "high ground" would have been sold for more dollars than it appears to have gone for. What an idealist I am, huh?
sometimes i wonder if maybe anarchy (ie lack of formal government) is preferable. i could buy a gun. it would cost me less per year than the iraq war
Hey, I've been to the Speed Art Museum in Looavull, and it's wonderful.
Anyway, what's up with the Rethuglicans doing all this spending? I thought it was the Dems they claimed did this sort of thing.
And why haven't the Dem candidates hammered the fact that Bush's administration and the Rethuglican Congress are THE BIGGEST SPENDING ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY????
The very conservative/libertarian Orange County Register reported this and keeps hammering away at the profligate Bushies.
The rethugs have pinned big spending on the dems/libs for years, but they've set a record, and I wish more people would talk about this out-of-control spending.
Completely OT, but am I the only one who heard the sound bite yesterday of the Chimperor explaining why the French, Germans, etc weren't eligible for the contracts to rebuild Iraq? Here's a paraphrase of what he said: "These countries didn't make the sacrifice to liberate Iraq. The American people expect for American companies to get these contracts."
Bonus points for the first Democratic candidate who points out that Bush essentially said our soldiers were sacrificed so American companies could get contracts to rebuild what Bush broke.
Dear Atrios:
Please link to the new Get Your War On, or I will have to give you a heavy dose of fear and violence until you realize I'm trying to help you.
Love,
Bill
Sustainable olive production is actually pretty important environmentally speaking, although it is the sort of thing that conservatives love make fun of because it sounds so obscure (like the tax credit for hybrid gas/electric vehicles).
Dunno about the "Please Touch" museum. It sounds like something that private charities could run without help from the government. Perhaps the Michael Jackson's "Heal the World Foundation" would be interested.
Well, I for one think it's high time Atrios started discussing controversial period-instrument conductors; though for my money Chris Hogwood's ok, if a bit staid; not as good as Gardiner but better than that sunofabitch Norrington---
What's that?
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er, never mind.
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The 1.8m for the women's world cup was money well, spent, in My opinion... but then again, I don't really hear anyone grousing about it.
I wouldn't be complaining so much about $325,000 for a swimming pool. I grew up in Monterey County and I swam on an extracurricular team from the time I was 4 to to about 16. There is a very active competitive swim community in the area of Salinas and if the guvmint is building a swimming pool there it is probably for the kids. Given the fact that budget cuts have killed a lot of California school sports, I bet the kids need a pool. Also, given the rate of obesity and physical unfitness of children today especially among the Latino community,(which is a large portion of the population in agricultural Salinas), I think the kids there could use more than some. It's a mystery who put that earmark in the budget.
You may want to blame Rep. Sam Farr (D) but he voted against the budget.
What gives?
Regarding the women's world cup - it was moved to the United States some six or eight months before the event itself due to the SARS outbreak in China. The U. S. Soccer Foundation probably realized a net loss on the event. However, I'm proud of them for stepping up and agreeing to host it anyway.
I'm ambivalent on our tax dollars being used to help fill the gap. On the one hand, it's a gratuitous expenditure. On the other hand, international sports do perform a diplomatic function. And since I'm a women's soccer fanatic (go Tar Heels!!!), I'm not going to complain too much.
Not true:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
...xportaltop.html
But for the other crap- sustainable olive production? is this a plot to support the martini industry?
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 12.13.03 - 4:47 pm | #
Someone has to grow them... our troops are busy bulldozing the olive groves in Iraq...
Why isn't more money being spent on developing surefire methods for inducing recalcitrant females to put out? At present, I'm operating on two ancient dodges, which are only successful 67.3% of the time: (1) Flattery (This is based, of course, on the old adage that flattery can get you you anywhere). (2)Sympathy (This involves the willingness to sit and listen to women expound on their problems. It works especially well with married women who want to bitch about their husbands). I think that if more money were spent, the putoutedness average could be raised to, oh, 73.6% of the time. I know that some people will say that the money could be used for more constructive purposes, but they're not always walking around with a blue-veined throbber.
Regarding the women's world cup - it was moved to the United States some six or eight months before the event itself due to the SARS outbreak in China. The U. S. Soccer Foundation probably realized a net loss on the event. However, I'm proud of them for stepping up and agreeing to host it anyway.
I'm ambivalent on our tax dollars being used to help fill the gap. On the one hand, it's a gratuitous expenditure. On the other hand, international sports do perform a diplomatic function. And since I'm a women's soccer fanatic (go Tar Heels!!!), I'm not going to complain too much.
I'll have to double-check, but I am fairly sure that it did turn a profit; there is even some talk about USSF and FIFA using a token amount of their cut to help fund the WUSA's proposed 2004 pre-Olympic exhibition tour.
(In case you couldn't tell, I'm a women's soccer fanatic as well -- Go Atlanta Beat!)
Strom Thurmond's black daughter: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/
ar...1951EST0094.DTL
Wow. We were in Edgefield just today, visiting my wife's kinfolk; I can certainly guarantee that this story hadn't broken there before we left, or else it would have been pretty much the only topic of conversation. I'm going to have to show this to Angie and her mom tomorrow; looks like Strom might have at least one daughter who Angie's mom didn't teach high school Chemistry to. 
Why isn't more money being spent on developing surefire methods for inducing recalcitrant females to put out? At present, I'm operating on two ancient dodges, which are only successful 67.3% of the time: (1) Flattery (This is based, of course, on the old adage that flattery can get you you anywhere). (2)Sympathy (This involves the willingness to sit and listen to women expound on their problems. It works especially well with married women who want to bitch about their husbands). I think that if more money were spent, the putoutedness average could be raised to, oh, 73.6% of the time. I know that some people will say that the money could be used for more constructive purposes, but they're not always walking around with a blue-veined throbber.
TownDrunk | Email | Homepage | 12.14.03 - 1:05 am | #
Towndrunk - more women would put out if the women the men want to woo didn't have to be young and beautiful. Some of us oldies (and slightly overweight) like to be wooed, too - don't have to spend a lot of money to find these things out, just ask someone who knows
i hope everybody remembers this next november. but on the other hand wow, we are gonna get something back, but potato storage??? is that like a petroleum reserve? put a spud in your engine!
OWL
When it comes to pussy, I draw no distinctions. It's like my old man told me: You can be six months behind in getting ass, and get all caught up in six minutes.
Doesn't the pork pale next to the defense budget? That's what we should be squawkin' about!
Hell, the Feds should bankroll pool projects in Class B cities throughout America. Let's put people to work the ol' FDR way.
The Elf to the rescue!
Wow, we got Saddam.
BREAKING NEWS: Saddam Hussein reportedly captured during raid in Tikrit.
Yes, here in Europe Saddam is reported to have been caught as well. Great!! Apparently he was in disguise, wearing a white beard (in true holidays spirit).
All is wanted was for the preznit to giv me turkee. Is that so much?
Chalabi just confirmed the capture for CNN. If true, this will officially be the first correct statement Chalabi has made about Iraq.
They did a dna test to confirm his identity. He was found by US and Kurdish military in a Tikrit basement. Blair just confirmed as well. Finally some really good news out of Iraq.
now's the test. is it a small faction of Baathist loyalists? or an actual nationalist iraqi insurgency a la Viet Cong.
Time will tell. I'm not optimnistic
I'm not Saddam Hussein, but I play him on TV.
Well, count me as someone who thought that the 'coalition' would never take him alive. Can't get much 'wronger' than that... fortunately
Now. Public trial?
Dutch Teletekst says he will be tried in Iraq. Hopefully, he will be sentenced to life in one of his own rape rooms.
People in Baghdad are firing guns in the air out of joy... Looks to me like an ideal opportunity to finally disarm the population
Something weird going on here. Did I not hear from some Repub Congressman a couple of weeks ago that he was sure the evil one would be captured before Xmas. How did this winger know this and what is going on?
What will the imperialists say if this capture (if the news is, in fact, accurate) doesn't have any effect on the insurgency?
We've captured our manufactured enemy! Whoo-hoo. I feel safer!
We've captured our manufactured enemy! Whoo-hoo. I feel safer!
Manufactured or not, he is hopefully gone for good now. This will be a huge test/opportunity for the US to show they are serious about democracy in Iraq. The psychological effect on the non-baathist people of Iraq should not be underestimated. Now the political process can start in full swing and I sincerely hope no one screws up this time.
This will be a huge test/opportunity for the US to show they are serious about democracy in Iraq...Now the political process can start in full swing and I sincerely hope no one screws up this time.
You have much more faith in US motives than I.
It is not faith, it is just hope. Even I am cynical, but the US administration has been given a trump card and I hope they will play it right.
the US administration has been given a trump card and I hope they will play it right.
Considering their past history of totally botching every opportunity given to them, I don't have much hope they'll get this one right.
On September 11th, they were given an opportunity to turn the free world against a common enemy, and they squandered that enormous political advantage to engage in a sloppy imperialist adventure.
And it doesn't seem that they have learned from their mistakes. First they would have to admit that they made mistakes, and sociopaths rarely make such admissions.
Did I not hear from some Repub Congressman a couple of weeks ago that he was sure the evil one would be captured before Xmas.
You could probably find similar quotes that Saddam would be captured or killed before the Fourth of July, Thanksgiving, or any other of supposed milestones, so I wouldn't give him much credit for inside info.
The just-concluded press conference by Bremer, Sanchez and the Iraqi Council guy was surprisingly restrained and responsible. I wish we could expect the same of the media, but the CNNitwits are already hysterical.
Capturing Saddam alive is an unqualifiedly good thing (the reaction of the Iraqis in the press conference to the appearance of the captured Saddam on screen was a pretty dramatic moment). An opportunity for the US and its 'allies' to do, for once, the right thing in the right way for all the world to see.
Finally... some reports that the intel leading to capture might be from rival 'insurgent' factions. Of course, those who know ain't sayin' and those who say...
If New England and New York aren't getting their share of the loot I propose reviving that secession idea brought up a couple of weeks ago. I'm tired of cowboy and sugar grower's welfare.
You'll notice that First Tee is a program backed by Tiger Woods, to expose underprivileged kids, primarily minority kids, to golf.
Where you know, business deals are made, it's the old boys club, and so forth?
Or should minority kids stick to playground basketball? (also government supported).
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Or should minority kids stick to playground basketball? (also government supported).
AL Maviva
How about in the Algebra Project? Minority kids who have progressed throught learning math are probably many fold greater in number than professional jocks.
Basketball, a group effort at least before the Michael Jordan era, strikes me as better than a single sport which might promote being self-centered.
Violent, brain damaging boxing, especially when it involves two black men hitting each other for the entertainment of white men, is evil.
it is only pork when it is is an added provision to a bill which as is (the bill) stands alone.
what kind of society do you want? these 'projects' are fine by me. I am all for projects which create jobs and improve local communities.
get off your right-wing soapboxes - all of ya! wanna know what I dont like? 33 cents of every tax dollar going to make war - thats what I dont' like - that is pork to the penultimate extent.
Things like olive production, termite research, and potato research, while they might seem silly are often really good uses of tax dollars.
For instance, how about research on the "glassy winged sharpshooter" seems frivolous right? but research on this insect has had really important effects for California agriculture.
Here are two great examples of our tax dollars at work, from this week's BushGreenWatch:
Bush EPA Seeks Weaker Control Over Transport of Hazardous Waste
Bush EPA Seeks Weaker Rules for Radioactive Waste
We pay for this.
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