I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
A phrase involving the making of sausage comes to mind 
We all know journalists do it so when they go to parties, they can get some 'tang.
seriously, though, I think about when people my age get into those positions, i hope that things change..
more people need to get into journalism.
...and this kind of tantalizing little hint is better, in *what* way exactly?
Put up or shut up. You're not Josh Marshall.
No amount of evil done by a Republican or a media whore will open their lips. It's a closed club with them. Worse than the Supreme Court beat used to be.
Still, I'd like to know who is going to be stupid enough to talk to Morton K. after what he did to Albright on FOX last week.
Every citizen has to be a journalist.
You can't leave such an awesome duty to whores.
not a tantalizing hint. just thinking about strom thurmond's daughter, which everyone knew about, etc...
so is the identity of the Plame leaker an 'open secret' that those of us not fortunate enough to be in the Kool Kids' Klique(TM), will only find out about years from now?
Just wondering. I quit the high school newspaper after one year because all the cool kids got promoted to the cool positions and I was just expected to be a plain old reporter again.
I hated high school because of the Kool Kids Klique. Someone once told me life is like high school with money and cigarettes. I'm afraid they were right.
The "everybody knew about" that most interests me at the moment is who in the White House "outed" Valerie Plame.
Not to flog my personal hobby horse one time too often, but the incredibly seedy Rev. Moon/Bush alliance is one of those "open secrets": everyone in Washington knows about it, but no one bothers to inform the public.
Russert was at party last Saturday nite, when Cheney knew of SH's capture, and Russert did not. He reported that he told Cheney of his dream of the capture of SH, and Cheney wished him Happy Holidays. With such chumminess, and in this case reproted as news, it's no wonder Russert never asks a follow up question.
Only Repervs are permitted to openly rape and pillage. It's just part of their nature, and so must be excused. Limbarf's drug abuse and exploitation of his "housekeeper" are also winked at. One wonders just what atrocities the GOPunks must commit before the whore media deigns to pay attention.
Yes, let's hear more about Novak and the other leakees too.
Considering how quickly every lie about Clinton spread you'd expect this kind of stuff to surface. I heard last night that Strom's rape was reported on, with names, in Slate months ago and was in the Times more than ten years ago. I try to keep up but didn't hear anything about that till last week. The press even covers up for them when the cat is out of the bag.
Where's Ex-congressman Robert Bauman these days?
Shut up, shut up. All of you. We the true Americans hold ourselves to high standards, ones you cannot dream of. Clinton lied and had sexual acts with a woman. YOU CANNOT DENY THIS HAPPENED. YOU CANNOT PROVE ANY of this slander about our Leadership.
TownDrunk:
Live boy. Dead girl. 'nuff said.
so, judging by the Ellie Mae Washington - Strom Thurmond episode, the identity of the Plame leaker won't be (widely) known until the day he/she outs him/herself to the media.
Like Greg Palast wrote, the American corporate media are real good at shooting the wounded... just don't expect them to do any hard, icky investigative work especially if it involveds pissing off the powerful.
amount of money spent investigating the Clenis(TM): $70-$80 million
amout of money spent on commission investigating 9/11: $3 million
covering up the Bush Administration's complicity in 9/11: priceless
renato,
What about Scarbrain's dead girl episode? Even that shit is off the table now.
Joe Scarborough's cute young staffer is found dead in his office with her head caved in, and he gets to slide from his office straight into Well-Paid Right Wing Pundit Land on MSNBC.
S'Okay. He's Republican.
*sigh*
you're right TownDrunk. I was breathtakingly naive wasn't I?
OK. If a male Republican marries a live boy, then maybe that's what it takes...
lol, now we know MBF's true identity...
it's Bill O'Rielly!
"Maybe" is the operative word.
I agree. When will the media come clean about Rove being a construct inhabited by super intelligent cockroaches? Enquiring people want to know.
the live boy/dead girl has to be in bead. sheesh! dont you know anything?
sorry for the comment-thread hogging. Nice to have you back Atrios. Thumb's posts were a bit long-ish though it was still good of him to 'mind the store' for you.
I'm going Xmas shopping now. Have a nice weekend y'all and if you're going shopping too, drive carefully especially in the parking lots, and put your swag out of sight in the trunk! ciao for now
We can joke and be cynical about all of this, but the implications of how media manipulation by the conservatives will affect the country for years is staggering.
IMHO: most Americans are intellectually lazy and are happy to let an outlet like Faux do their thinking for them. How many people read newspapers anymore? We know Citizen No. 1 doesn't, and he's proud of his ignorance.
Most Americans are more interested in Jennifer Aniston's hair style than who outed Valerie Plame, or what the present administration was doing about the information it got before Sept. 11.
This may be a happy, jolly time for most people, but I'm not sanguine about our future. I think the swine are winning. And we're going to see dark, dark days before it gets better, if it ever does.
Sigh.
In today's "Daily Howler," Sommerby shows why every citizen MUST become a journalis.
Why is it important for the whore media to report what's going on anyway? That's not going to "wake up" the American people. The American public is in a persistent vegetative state. And nothing is going to get their attention until it's too late. So just tell me when the end is near. I'll take off from work, take a hot shower, drink some cold Buds, clip my toenails and watch reruns of M*A*S*H all day.
The total whoring of the media is another of the "big secrets" the kool kids and their entourage try to laugh off.
Will the internet and blogosphere eventually make net news obsolete?
Has it already?
WH transcripts of press events should identify PreziPals by name instead of the often misleading Q:, as real questions are so rarely asked. The Ho press isn't honoring its duty to serve the public trust, but we should at least get to determine who's administering the wildest blowjobs and who the WH is no-turkeeing for asking hard kwestyins.
Atrios, you, old Liberal-Hypocrite (LH), fraud, I understand you are banning people who are not LHs like you.
Being a democrat is not about being a LH or a Dean-O-Whore (DOW).
If you ban people, like me, then how are you different from KKK, O'Reilly, etc. Are you not the same? Ban speech. Ban alternative ideas. Etc.
I always thought the ultra-right are really like Saudis. I now know that ultra-left like yourself (Basically LHs and DOWs) are also like the Saudis.
So, what does an independent-thinking progressive like me do?
Free Anonymous. Free Travis McGee. Free all those you shamelessly (LH-DOW wise) ban.
AKB
So, since when is any of this new? Insiders knew about the Kennedy's, and the Roosevelts.
I seem to recall Larry Flynt paying a shitload of money for washington open secrets, anyone want to guess just how many of those made the papers? Hell, how many made Hustler?
People with money do not attack other people with money unless it is due to loss of business.
Why do you really think Soros is pumping all that cash into beating Bush?
Just yesterday, driving around, listening to "Left, Right and Center" on NPR with D. Frum on the right (possibly the least charismatic radio host ever), Arianna, Kaus on the center (who supposedly loathes Arianna), and Bob Scheer on the left, and I'm thinking, did they pass a law that only 20 people in America get to explain the news to me? Boy, those 400 million weblogs are really changing things...
Man, the Kool Kids Klique was one of the reasons I got out of daily (and later weekly) journalism. You couldn't say certain things about certain people. I can't tell you how many stories got dropped because it might offend an advertiser or one of the high mucky-mucks in the town. Hell, even when I was doing music journalism, there were certain bands I couldn't even poke fun at (R.E.M.'s manager, by the by, is a touchy bastard). Right now, I'm working on a piece concerning possible collusion between local D.A.s and public defenders and possible cops on the take...and not a single local rag will touch it.
It is depressing, believe you me.
I now know that ultra-left like yourself (Basically LHs and DOWs) are also like the Saudis.
So, what does an independent-thinking progressive like me do?
Free Anonymous. Free Travis McGee. Free all those you shamelessly (LH-DOW wise) ban.
AKB
Ali Karim Bey
IDIOT!
Didn't you see his post about disagreeing with Kucinich?
Ever see a negative Clinton post from him? Even after ALL Hillary's fuckups.
Atrios is a LINO at best. Quite a few posters are LINO's.
Only a handfull of posters here are born and bred liberals.
Phil Ochs and later Jelo Biafra hit the nail on the head with the "Love me I'm a Liberal" song.
At least as how the term applies here.
did they pass a law that only 20 people in America get to explain the news to me? Boy, those 400 million weblogs are really changing things...
Clancy Wiggum
Yes they did pass that law.
Well more of a conspiracy really.
Anyone see Cornell West lately? Or that Bryson guy?
Other than Bill Maher, anyone ever see Ted Rall on tv?
Shit, Dyson not Bryson.
Sorry.
The blame for what's happening now in this country rests squarely with the American people. We've done this to ourselves. Too many of our fellow citizens have absolutely no concept of responsible citizenship. And too many have allowed themselves to be brainwashed to the point of insanity. They've willingly become deranged for no reason. If the media does report, they'll be greeted by a feckless bored audience and then soon tormented to the gates of hell by the wingers. Like I've [said], we've done this to ourselves.
"amount of money spent investigating the Clenis(TM): $70-$80 million
amout of money spent on commission investigating 9/11: $3 million
covering up the Bush Administration's complicity in 9/11: priceless
renato "
so good it had to be repeated
Oh, and David E., lets just say it, Somerby Rules! Not even our beloved Atrios can touch him.
AKB -- who's been banned?
Nobody.
Why don't you go to LGF where people who disagree with you WILL be banned.
Regarding "Rev" Moon, I've had converstions about this with three consverotards and they actually claim it's a lie! They refuse to even acknowledge a well-documented relationship between Moon and Bush sr. All liberal lies. Amazing, huh?
Any of you anon trolls want to touch that one?
"The blame for what's happening now in this country rests squarely with the American people. We've done this to ourselves."
No we didn't. We did not such thing. We voted for Gore. Never let the Kewl Kidz or the Gang of Five forget it.
In my brief tenure as a newspaper journalist, I had an old editor who told me that it was impossible to be a good reporter and be friends with the powerful.
Now, it's considered OK to be invited to parties and private homes and if you're tough, you don't get those invitations and you don't get those interviews. In the competitive world of today's bright and shiny journalism, to not get the interview means you don't keep your job, hence, you get friendly and don't ask embarrassing questions.
My old editor's rule has gone the way of our cummunal sense of obligation to our country and our fellow citizens. We should hang our heads in shame.
AKB and Dennis- Chill out.
AKB wrote: "So, what does an independent-thinking progressive like me do?"
Start your own damn blog. It's not Atrios' responsibilty to give you (or anyone) a monkey cage from which you can fling your feces.
I don't know if A. is outright banning people now (I don't always read the comments), but it's his fucking blog- he can be as objective as he wants to be and allows whomever he wishes to comment. He's no doubt more tolerant of comment-board criticism than any frigging righty blog out there. It's not his job to make sure that you are completely and totally happy with every damn post.
There is a fucking universe of difference between Atrios and the Saudis... and I write this as someone who is in all likelihood considerably to the left of Atrios. Maybe even to the left of you.
Yesterday, I got into a rattling exchange online with a conservotard who bitterly swore that Bush was never AWOL.
Biased liberal news media has had its day. The Truth is fighting BACK! America is done with self-hating and self-haters. FOX NEWS is just the beginning, and when News Corp. buys DirecTV (stupid meddling regulatirs trying to block it, freedom hating biased people!) we will finally have some news that speaks to the Real Americans and we can be proud of.
Cornel West occasionally does commentaries on NPR's "Travis Smiley Show," but other than that he's kind of invisible. Which is really unfortunate. We need his voice.
"Yesterday, I got into a rattling exchange online with a conservotard who bitterly swore that Bush was never AWOL."
Wow. Just... fucking wow.
I wonder if cognitive dissonance of that magnitude can cause a brain tumor.
Santa sez: "Ignore the brownshirts."
The Bone:
You are nothing but a low-down, lyin', cheatin' Liberal-Hypocrite (LH) and Dean-O-Whore (DOW).
Your problem is that you do not know that yet: You are a LH and DOW.
Me, I am an independent. I dislike Bush-Cheney, and I dislike LH-DOW.
My pick today: Well, it the Mr. Nader. At least he has similar upbringing as I have had but he became a scholar. I hope to be one someday. After Political Investigator Training. I already volunteered to help him in his campaign. Everyone go to Ralph Nader site. He needs your support to make LH-DOW anbd Bush-Cheney disappear for good.
I support immigrants who are progressive Americans.
You are LH and DOW. I loathe your kind just as much I loathe Saudis, KKK, etc.
Free Anonymous. Free Travis McGee. Free all those you shamlessly banned because they do not agree with your LH-DOW blind/deaf/dumb support (like three monkeys).
AKB
Him a brain tumor or me?
I wish I had the psychic abilities of AKB and Dennis who can determine, based on a few blog posts, who is and who is not a genuine, triple-distilled, pure and blessed liberal.
I also wish they would do us all a favor and post a Cosmo style quiz we could all take, or some sort of list we could check off to see if we, like them, were REAL liberals, or just LINOs and LHs. Honest, it would save me time and give me something to strive for, to be annointed TRUE LIBERAL like you guys.
Nemo: Him, definitely.
AKB: I volunteered for Nader in 2000. And if you want to become a scholar at some point, you need to take some courses in logic and polish up your rhetorical skills.
Here's one!
The chairman of the board of Enron during the largest (at the time) fraud in history was Wendy Gramm, the wife of the senior senator from Texas, Phil (R-Aggie) Gramm.
I don't know Bone, I felt some of my brain cells melting on that one.
Off-topic: Another happy encounter between a foreigner and the DHS.
http://tinyurl.com/28coz
The Australian reporter's offense? She came in on a tourist visa instead of a journalist's visa. For this, she was held without food for 24 hours and deported back to Australia.
Interviewing Olivia Newton-John: a threat to national security.
I wish I had the psychic abilities of AKB and Dennis who can determine, based on a few blog posts, who is and who is not a genuine, triple-distilled, pure and blessed liberal.
I also wish they would do us all a favor and post a Cosmo style quiz we could all take, or some sort of list we could check off to see if we, like them, were REAL liberals, or just LINOs and LHs. Honest, it would save me time and give me something to strive for, to be annointed TRUE LIBERAL like you guys.
the real cosmic grappler
Liar!
A few threads back you stated that the TRULY REAL cosmic grappler would now be posting as CHRONIC MASTURBATER!
You said to not trust anyone posting with the old nick.
We all know that the original cosmic grappler was a REAL lino.
He said " fuck that old Jewish woman in a wheelchair".
Would a liberal attack the disabled, women and Jews in a single outburst of idiocy?
All because someone made a fool of him.
And the rest of the LINO's like Fishy Pie, defended him.
Where is the outrage baby?
Not from the LINO's here.
Forgot they are LINO cool kids. Lck's.
Like lickspittles, or boot licks.
JENNIFER O'NEIL, anyone?
she serviced BUSH I in a variety of positions!
the real cosmic grappler
Hey moron, all one has to do is read the threads daily.
It is easy to seperate the LINO's from the liberals.
You don't need psychic powers.
Obviously, anyone needs to be smarter than you.
We should hang our heads in shame.
the real cosmic grappler
Are you that dipshit that claimed people deserved to be in wheelchairs?
You should hang your head in shame.
Black as shit hearted bastard.
JENNIFER O'NEIL, anyone?
she serviced BUSH I in a variety of positions!
n69n
The actress? I thought the mistress had a different last name.
Do you have anything specific in mind??
If you're alluding to the "open secret" of Strom's half-black love child, that's no concern of the American people. No one's claiming that Strom had oral sex with the woman's mother. Remember: "If sex isn't oral, it's not immoral."
You will not be able to ignore us whom you call brownshirts (we are the patriots, you lie-beral lefties are brownshirts, forcing our kids to learn about homosexuality and islam but punishing them when they pray to God)..... we are going to be in your face and the 2nd revolution is almost here. We will prevail. God is on your side, you have no God.
Here's your Cosmo-style quiz.
For what it's worth, here's my score:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05
JENNIFER O'NEIL, anyone?
she serviced BUSH I in a variety of positions!
n69n | Email | Homepage | 12.20.03 - 1:08 pm | #
I think you mean Jennifer Fitzgerald.
Sailing on the Sea of Jonquility: The Australian reporter's offense? She came in on a tourist visa instead of a journalist's visa. For this, she was held without food for 24 hours and deported back to Australia.
Interviewing Olivia Newton-John: a threat to national security.
Her microcassette recorder contained precision electronic switches that could be used to detonate a sodium cyanide bomb found outside Tyler, TX.
Gosh, keep up!
.
I posted a rather long screed about the media over at Bad Attitudes Journal. For those who think the media is working in cahoots with the right, go read that post (it's in the comments for the current top-most post).
Short version: The right has learned what the media really wants and what plays through--messages that play to raw emotion.
As for the open secrets, our right to know anything ends where Tim Russert's right to party with Rummy begins.
conservotard
i got in a arguement with a girl who told me that there was no such person as "Neil Bush"...."they" were just making it all up to make BUSH™ look bad...& her proof was "if BUSH™ has a brother how come I've never heard of him, huh?!?!??!"
she got me there.
I loved what Essie Mae Washington said when she heard that members of ol' Strom's family were red-faced about the public disclosure of the fact that she was the Senator's daughter: "Well, that's too bad. I'll pray for them."
I think you mean Jennifer Fitzgerald.
oops!
in the immortal words of ann coulter, "OK, OK, I'm NOT jesus christ!"
The Bone-- thanks for the quiz. That was fun.
Here's me:
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28
I seem to be in good company!
I'm curious how the great AKB comes out?
I just love having my liberal credentials stepped on by troll posing as a "real" liberal.
I'm with dave - ignore the brownshirts. Take their nattering nonsense as a sign that Atrios rules.
Bone,
Neat-o quiz. Here's where I stand:
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.77
Good Gravy...apparently, I'm further to the left than the Dahli Lama. Way off in the bottom left-hand corner. Far out...does this mean I should start my own religion? I got the minister's certification from the Universal Church Of Life...anyone interested?
See, the cool kids all knew about Strom's half-black love child fathered on the underage family maid. They've known about it for years! Therefore, it's not really news, and everybody should just, you know, chill, unless they want to look uncool.
Someone once told me life is like high school with money and cigarettes. I'm afraid they were right.
You can remove the disclaimer ... some who are now adults had cigarettes in high school, and some adults have no money now. So it's still just like high school, or better yet junior high. Only bigger, older bodies.
Atrios, you really should think about taking serious action against trolls like America's Memory, AKB/Travis... Speech whose sole purpose is to disrupt other people's ability to discuss issues they are concerned with, is not something you should feel the need to support. Under another throwaway name, I've already pointed out how pinheads like this operate... they'll just keep coming back, again and again and again, with different "characters", until you eventually find a way to completely block their access. The pathetic person who trolled the James Randi Educational Foundation boards, and whom America's Memory began to model himself on, ended up committing felonies in his attempts to disrupt the boards there. AKB here has already shown how low he's prepared to go... and he'll go lower still if you let him. Don't just ban the fool, email his ISP and tell them of his disruption... I know you want to remain above their level, but anti-social people like we have here won't rest until they destroy everything. In real life, they are weak little shits, and the only power they have is that which your tolerance allows them to use. So really put the smack down on them, I say.
As for you AKB; We aren't going to be fooled by your stupid "free the banned" rant. We all know why they were banned. And we know why you bring that "issue" up... it has nothing to do with any commitment to political ideals, and everything to do with your thinking it's something which can drive a wedge between those who post here.
But it won't make the slightest difference to anyone here's thoughts or feelings. You'll just annoy a few people in the short term, and then once you inevitably lose out to Atrios, you'll be forgotten. You are no more important or convincing than a five year old boy who dresses up in his mother's clothes to get attention.
Atrios -
without feeding the trolls, can you briefly address the "banning" that AKB mentioned? is this right, or is he just talking out of his ass? i find it hard to believe that you'd ban even the charming Travis and his cohorts, but your silence is a bit uncomfortable...
(sorry if you responded and i missed it.)
You can remove the disclaimer ... some who are now adults had cigarettes in high school, and some adults have no money now. So it's still just like high school, or better yet junior high. Only bigger, older bodies.
Is it possible to drop out? 
CF,
Yes, I have the proof of email from Travis McGee (who address his to The Kid Named Ali). I do not agree with him - he seems moderately right of center. I am an independent. No party loyalty. I ain't no dumb/deaf/blind cheerleader. But, banning Trav. That's just LH-DOW way, that Atrois is famous for.
CF, when you look closely at the left, they are naked, ugly, smelly people. Just like Saudis. They are the LH-DOW people. I cannot stand people like Dean empty-headed cheerleaders. Dean is an Angry White Man. I loathe these DOWs and LHs.
AKB
Travis McGee, we can't heeaaaaaaar you.
Get the strait jacket. AKB is nuts.
A ranting, frothing weirdo. Banned at Kos and hopefully, here.
No one cares what you say. Can't you get that through that thick head of yours?
Man, the Kool Kids Klique was one of the reasons I got out of daily (and later weekly) journalism. You couldn't say certain things about certain people. I can't tell you how many stories got dropped because it might offend an advertiser or one of the high mucky-mucks in the town.
Seymour Hirsch is arguably the best political investigative reporter in the country. He broke, e.g., the story about Richard Perle's financial interest in this war and a bunch of others (look around the New Yorker archives on the Iraq war if you're interested).
So how come he's not on a major daily? Because, as backslider alludes, can you really imagine that kind of thing at the Washington Post?
Dana Milbank's as close as they get and you can see how he (she?) has to mince words.
Die, italics.
Molly,
Yup...and Pearle tried to sue him for it, too, in British court. I must've missed it, but anyone hear anything about how that turkey turned out? Sy Hersh is the man...
trools, that is drooling trolls, have
one thing in common between them, they have no hearts, brains or the sense something gave a goose...in the
dark shadows of the night that surrounds them they flail about and
wish for the blood of others to be shed for them so they may take credit for the deeds done by others...aWol's
dishonorable war, the nofax daily
lying on Crossfire, in the future we
must be the voices of reason and not allow the trools to quench the fires
of our anger with their drooling.
Howard Beal said it well and we will
keep up the chant, "we're mad as hell
and we're not going to take it anymore." or something like that...
so now the gop's family values coalition includes pedophiles, murderers, rapists, racists, racketeers, conspiracists, hate mongers, gamblers, drug addicts, etc... who knew?
Get the strait jacket. AKB is nuts.
AKB is giving adolescents living at home posting on mom's computer (this came out at Kos') a bad name.
Note to AKB - Get off my side.
My guess is BoB, DaVe, and Anonymous are the same pimply-faced little turd. And his concern for that Jewish pie lady are as phony as she was.
Sad anonymous coward, hiding behind his keyboard. And you do type with one hand, don't you, you little wanker.
Kathleen Parker and her buds had to keep the secret of Strom's half-black love child from simple-minded liberals who would have failed to understand how "complicated" it all was, and would have just called the great Strom a hypocritical racist asshole.
Get the strait jacket. AKB is nuts
you dont know how right you are.
Ali Karim Bey is cared for by his sister & she has to administer medication every 4 hrs.
she may have fallen behind what with the holidays.
people people. 24/7 news channels are only to be used in the case of an emergency.
so you can have distater footage repeated over and over and over again.
Ali Karim Bey is an angry "independent." Great, wonderful congratulations. Bush still sucks, the media still stinks and the dialogue will continue here with or without you. I'm glad you're proud of your intelectual superiority you snivelining little penis. I hope you don't get banned because it would only lend credence to your beliefe that you're relevant.
i've only ever deliberately banned 2 or 3 people. banning is an imperfect science, however.
can atrios IP ban AKB? he's an annoying fuckhead.
DOW my dick in your mouth, asshole.
Sometimes these threads remind me of on-line multi player shooter games.
Lol!
There is a great difference between a blogger protecting his blog from a concerted effort to disrupt conversation and the blanket banning of leftists from the airwaves, which belong to the public. It is the difference between responsible hosting and commercial interests dictating what is allowed to be heard and suppressing alternative viewpoints.
If someone banned me from his blog I'd figure it was his right and I'd move on.
To the person styling himself Ali Karim Bey: Go to Clown Hall and start your own blog if you feel so strongly about it.
David E.: "why every citizen must become a journalist."
It's for this reason I thank Whatever for blogs, Daily Howlers, and Al Gore for creating the internet we know today. You can find arguments, counter-arguments, and links to back them up all over the place. Imagine how impossible it would be for an average person without these things.
BTW, I wrote my own criticism to Krauthammer, but I wrote it directly to him, so it was probably never read. Two paragraphs:
You argue that Dean is suffering an onset of paranoia in reaction to a policy by Bush (what, the policy of suppressing evidence from 9/11?) because he finds "interesting" a theory that Bush had foreknowledge of the events of 9/11. (My dictionary defines interesting as "causing curiosity; holding the attention." Such a theory is arguably very "interesting," whether true or not.) But, as a presumably educated man, you should recognize the signifigance of what Dean was actually saying, specifically that suppression of evidence leads to such conspiracy theories, with the warning that it might serve Bush better to short-circuit such "grassy knoll" conspiracies by not covering up the truth. You do see the difference between holding such a conspiracy theory and knowing that such theories exist and are detrimental to the truth? Of course you do, you just aren't honest enough to care.
What would you call a syndrome which causes an otherwise apparently sane person to call people who have differing political views "deranged?" I'd call it Politically Partisan Clowning Hack Syndrome.
very nice Julie-- I wrote him something along those lines as well--mine was shorter though.
Me: You can remove the disclaimer ... some who are now adults had cigarettes in high school, and some adults have no money now. So it's still just like high school, or better yet junior high. Only bigger, older bodies.
Sister Bunny: Is it possible to drop out?
Yeah sure. But it gets lonely in the coldwater shack in Montana after a couple of years. 
Julie,
Thoughtcrime on Big Brother double-plus-ungood!
One of the great things about the Internet, as some of the excellent posters above have noted, is that it enables political and other discussions by intelligent citizens over long distances. The downside is that it gives anti-social misfits the opportunity to insult their betters with little fear of paying any price, except being insulted back, which I think they enjoy in kind of a sick way. As during the CB radio craze of 20 years ago, when misfits sat on their radios all day engaging in race baiting; we now have trolls who do not join the debate, but only throw out insults, hoping to attract attention to themselves. The best we can do is simply ignore these poor, insecure little people (of which AKB is the current exhibit A). They will go away once they find they are not getting any abuse back, and they will go elsewhere to practice their blantant masocism.
the truth will out...this is not a 50-
50 divided country...the rethugs have
only about 25% of the electorate...the
balance are either Dems or some sort of Green-Indy ilk...this bodes well for the humans...if we can motivate the punters to get out and vote...
I wrote to Chicago Sun Times about Novak, too, but I forgot to send it to myself, so don't even remember what it was about (teehee).
I'd be interested in seeing AKB's own honest (yeah, right) quiz result...and how pathetic it would be for someone to be bitching about others being .10 points less liberal.
Mine, BTW, was:
Economic: -5.38
Social: -6.10
If only I were more perfectly liberal/independent like AKB.
>"Every citizen has to be a journalist.
You can't leave such an awesome duty to whores." | David Ehrenstein
Absolutely.
In reverse order:
Julie, right on and something I said to a Troll a week or so ago, just phrased differently (your phraseology is much better btw)
Backslider, Perle was just mouthing off as usual. Nothing ever came of the case last I heard. Slate actually had a "Libel Watch" series going for a while (it was pretty good). If I remember correctly the brits said, yeah, nice try! Or something to that effect so it was silently dropped. Is Hersh now writing for a UK paper as well? Maybe I have him confused with someone else.
Cheers
Donna, "Yeah sure. But it gets lonely in the coldwater shack in Montana after a couple of years."
And then you turn into the Unibomber? LOL
Here's a question: who do you think reporters fuck?
Well, they fuck each other, Hill Rats and staffers. Which is why they "know" Strom Thurmond had a nigra child, but can't write it. Because it's not a one way street. More than one reporter got into rehab, or got their kid into a swanky school because a friend lent a kind word.
These people all socialize with each other, drink with each other.
What in God's name do you think they do in Crawford all summer. The locals hate them, they're all ex-AF spooks. Why do you think Dana Milbank (he-Priest is she) comes back angry after Bush's month off?
Because you can bet his or his friend's marriage has taken a hit. Who's wife wants to pay her way to freaking central Texas in mid-summer, they all go to Colorado or Orlando.
These people are stuck down there for days, with nothing to do but play cards. You have to realize that they're screwing each other stupid. Which limits scoops and competativeness. Kinda hard to beat someone senseless after they sucked your dick the day before.
Steve, that's a very interesting point. Never thought of it that way before.
In addition to your point about reporters fucking each other (which I think is probably mostly true, from knowing several reporters and news people in general), this is what bothers me "These people all socialize with each other, drink with each other."
Because as has been pointed out above about Russert, these people are also socializing and drinking with the people in power. How can there possibly be an independent agressive press with this going on?
I know it's a dead horse at this point, but I'll beat it anyway.
Perhaps after the revolution, we'll have to implement studies of propoganda in schools (as pointed out in another thread by Bliekker) and how propoganda has warped history. As part of that, the press, and corporations will also have to be strictly regulated so that Politics, Special Interests, Corporations, and Media all are limited so that they can be kept honest.
There's an old saying "Locks keep honest people honest" That's all regulation really is, at least to me. Unfortunately the dishonest locksmiths are now in power.
Steve, that's a very interesting point. Never thought of it that way before.
In addition to your point about reporters fucking each other (which I think is probably mostly true, from knowing several reporters and news people in general), this is what bothers me "These people all socialize with each other, drink with each other."
Because as has been pointed out above about Russert, these people are also socializing and drinking with the people in power. How can there possibly be an independent agressive press with this going on?
I know it's a dead horse at this point, but I'll beat it anyway.
Perhaps after the revolution, we'll have to implement studies of propoganda in schools (as pointed out in another thread by Bliekker) and how propoganda has warped history. As part of that, the press, and corporations will also have to be strictly regulated so that Politics, Special Interests, Corporations, and Media all are limited so that they can be kept honest.
There's an old saying "Locks keep honest people honest" That's all regulation really is, at least to me. Unfortunately the dishonest locksmiths are now in power.
i've only ever deliberately banned 2 or 3 people. banning is an imperfect science, however.
Atrios
A simple anonymous browser can get around any ban.
Besides isn't it really all about free speech?
You either accept it warts and all, or it doesn't exist.
so now the gop's family values coalition includes pedophiles, murderers, rapists, racists, racketeers, conspiracists, hate mongers, gamblers, drug addicts, etc... who knew?
-th
I think it's that "big tent" thing they had going on a few conventions back
OT, but isn't it convenient that HRC's paper trail bill doesn't kick in until she's up for re-election?
reporters fucking each other
isnt judith miller fucking chalabai?
Harassment isn't free speech. Neither are the ravings of the severely disturbed. (The moderately disturbed are just fine though, lol). Ban who you want.
Gilliard's post is interesting. I wonder how much real pillowtalk there is. I would think it has a lot more to do with careerism than literal sexual politics. And the corporate money driving campaigns and advertising is the true pimp of them all.
anything big, dark, and male. and a few not male.
This isn't free speech, really. The whole first ammendment thing really only applies when the govenrment's involved. This is sort of like throwing someone out of your house when they're making an ass of themself.
I find it so tedious when people make that mistake.
P.S. Thanks for the update, BlogReader
Backslider I agree except in the case of the broadcast media. They are using public property, the air waves, and making huge amounts of money doing it. If they aren't forced to air a range of viewpoints all they do is spew corporate propaganda as they do now. Also, given the public interest in a full airing of issues and their power, there is a good case to be made for the same rules applying to cable media too.
It's no different from any other industry they'll always tend to do what is most profitable and will try to cover up anything that they would rather no one know. The difference is that what they do can make the difference between democracy and the worst kind of dictatorship. Look at Rwanda or the Balkans and the role the media played in promoting genocide there. It can happen here.
My quiz score:
Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
Still, I'd like to know who is going to be stupid enough to talk to Morton K. after what he did to Albright on FOX last week. EPT
Okay, we got the thing about Thurmond; what is this? EPT, anyone, for those of us who missed it?
AKB wrote: "So, what does an independent-thinking progressive like me do?"
AKB, as someone who has been a progressive for several decades, and has read your posts over the last few months, I can safely say, you ARE NOT AN independent-thinking progressive!!!
I would bet you could not post intelligently about two 'progressive' issues, their backgrounds, the opposing views, or who the issues would affect and why. I have never read a post of yours about a real progressive issue, only those with many capitalized letters indicating names that you are calling us.
Why don't you just go play chess, or something??!!
Friendly neighborhood WH 'ho here.
56k: You're embracing the Howler! Fantastic! More Howler, less MWO, as I always (perhaps tediously) say in here.
Some interesting points about our relationship to the powerful (and not the people. Now where have I heard that kind of phrase before?). And some truly weird points.
So Russert's at a party with senior administration officials. And those senior administration officials don't spill the beans on Saddam's capture. How is THAT an example of an 'open secret' or of a reporter not reporting something they know? Seems to me it's an example of social access having failed to yield a scoop.
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Molly, Dana Milbank is a "he." And Sy isn't at a major daily because he loves being at a major weekly that lets him loose and bankrolls his investigative stuff.
Backslider, Perle lost that little confrontation. He threatened to sue and never followed through. In fact, he resigned the chairmanship of the Defense Policy Board.
Steve_Gilliard, as someone who has spent three Augusts in Waco/Crawford, I can assure you that the locals like us just fine. And there isn't much hanky-panky going on, and zero between administration folks and the 4th estate.
Now, the Mort Kondracke thing is amazing. (for those just tuning in, Mort, on Fox and Friends or whatever it's called, reported that he had had a conversation with Madeleine Albright in a television show 'green room,' and that she had asked whether he thought the Bush administration had Osama already and was delaying the announcement until just before the 2004 election. He didn't say she wasn't joking, but he did say she wasn't smiling. And Fox and Friends all agreed that all Democrats are unbalanced and can't be trusted with the presidency. Or something).
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I don't know how anyone will ever trust Mort again. The 'green room' is a kind of neutral zone - the gym in West Side Story, perhaps - and it's supposed to be off the record. Mort has now essentially broken that unspoken, unwritten agreement. It'll be interesting to see the reaction from Mort's sources.
The funny thing about Albright's comments is that a joke to the effect of "Bush will pull Osama's head out of a bag at the GOP convention" has been a staple of Washington banter since before the 2002 midterm elections. And you'll notice that Mort didn't follow up with "are you kidding?" He just ran with it. That's called "a story too good to check."
Meanwhile Time Magazine reports that Rumsfeld co-owns a ranch with Dan Rather. WTF? This should be disclosed everytime CBS news does a story on Rummy.
I don't know how to link in Haloscan but here is the address:
http://www.time.com/time/
press_r...,565993,00.html
see the 11th paragraph
Kondracke wouldn't recognize a joke if it bit him on the nose -- all of those guys are gray and humorless.
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