I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Don't you mean disaster-- not farce?
I mean-- we're looking squarely at fiscal meltdown at the rate we're going.
Sure was a "borrow and spend" revolution.
The only question Damfacrats ever had about Ronald Reagan was the old "was he evil or just stupid?" ,,, and now the RNC wants people to believe he is some kind of saint/hero?
"Take and Spend" conservatism
It's more like a "Sham of a Mockery of Two Shams"
Alex says: "We're looking squarely at fiscal meltdown at the rate we're going."
Don't think that that is lost on old line fiscal conservatives out there. They're looking at the numbers and asking: "WTF?"
It could be this administration's undoing.
We had read a reasonable economic "conspiracy theory" somewhere that said since neocons couldn't assault Great Society/etc by honest means, they were just going to get childish with the spending, especially down the five-sided money incinerator hole, and thereby simply starve the hell out of the government. This would force social programs to close, since the "honest" social programs don't spend money they don't have, whereas the swine military spends its budget, spends money from other programs and then asks for more using the logic of a kidnapper holding the nation hostage. Anyone heard the original "starve the government by tax-and-spend" idea? Sounds like it might've been pushed if not created by Grover.
The current administration had the motive, the means and the opportunity to kill democracy--they're just not quite finished raiding the estate. They need four more years to render the corpse unrecognizable.
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From the band Television:
"I love disaster and what ever comes after."
It's nothing new of course. the Kennedy mythical missle crisis comes to mind. I suppose the Republicans are marginally bigger defense spender,s but the fact that both parties suffer from not saying no to the military industrial complex is the telling point.
There won't be any moey for the military either. Just ask the former Soviet Union.
that should be "money", but you knew that
the Kennedy mythical missle crisis comes to mind
I'm guessing you mean the faux Missile Gap, right? The Missile Crisis was pretty damn real.
Dont mention the 7 trillion dollar national debt.I have my hands over my ears and humming"Brother,can you spare a dime".
Dont mention the 7 trillion dollar national debt.
It's not 7 trillion yet. But it's getting there. Given the current trend, it will be there by February of 2004.
It's only a farce if you come home from Iraq with all your limbs and no strange diseases. Otherwise, you've got your tragedy at hand.
One thing that the neo-con nitwits have forgotten is that if the social welfare programs go, do they expect the problems just disappear? The end of the social contract would turn the country into a third world disaster of barrios, high crime, drug lords, abandoned children, disease, and chaos. I guess they believe that they can hide behind the walls of their gated communities and then unleash the military to deal with the unrest. What's really ironic is that their less-priveleged supporters like the talk radio audience will be part of the majority that will get screwed.
Farce as in 'modern times' not as in 'threes company'
Well, the general thrust of the post is right but the specifics of 1980-1992 are a bit misleading.
In 1980 we were way underfunding the military, as I admitted in the presidential debates.
And at the time of planning for 1992 budgets the cold war was not really over. Remember the attempted coup in Moscow....
--"Take and Spend" conservatism
make that *borrow* and spend conservatism.
Notch says: "Dont mention the 7 trillion dollar national debt.I have my hands over my ears and humming "Brother,can you spare a dime".
Actually, the song I'm hearing is by The Who, lyrics in part go:
"Our rear is far in arrears;
Haven't fed the dog in years;
And things are worse than they appears; but I'll get by..."
Bush is bringing us all together, but he'll probably sputter something about the bread line being socialism that unfairly taxes the CEOs.
It sure seems like the "starve the government by tax-and-spend" policy is in play. I'm wondering how they implement this on the sly... secret decoder rings?
they were quite open about this in the Reagan years. I don't remember who in the Reagan circles addressed it forthrightly but one of them did. The basic MO was to staff departments they didn't like with people who were so incompetent and corrupt that the public would scream bloody murder for their dismantling - thus, James Watt, Samuel Pierce, Clarence Thomas, etc.... Unfortunately, it doesn't work on anyone except conservatives. People who support social programs (which is the majority of America) recognize that fox's have been given the key to the chicken coop and wait for the offending party to be convicted. Now the conservatives have done a good job of upping the cynicism level in this country and stacking the judiciary with corrupt, partisan judges so we won't even get the convictions. Whatever they are doing is going to end badly. We're coming up on an ugly time in America and it's long overdue.
For what it is worth, my theory is that, as far as domestic policy is concerned, the first Bush administration is the carrot and the second wil be the stick. The carrots are tax cuts that make everyone happy and the stick is that they will savagely cut spending in the second administration. This will please the right win now displeased because there aren't many starving poverty babies here in amurcah. The key to understanding GOP philosophy is not just that they win. It is that you lose and your face must be rubbed in it.
Wasn't it weird how Reagan went on TV and admitted that he SOLD ARMS TO TERRORISTS, but nobody gave a shit?
That was weird.
A second term will be a sign that the second dark ages have begun. It will be a disaster.
A second term will not be a farce. It will be the absolute demise of the great American experiment, the death of the constitutional republic, and, indeed, the onset of a new dark age.
We could call it "The New Feudalism", Kinda like the New Deal, but instead of social progress it would be regressive, maybe to the point of repealling everything decent all the way back to the Magna Carta.
Wasn't it weird how Reagan went on TV and admitted that he SOLD ARMS TO TERRORISTS, but nobody gave a shit?
That was weird.
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Joan Didion said, of her book THE LAS THING HE WANTED, "nobody wanted to talk about iran -contra. not even *DURING* iran-contra."
Bing Crosby offered...
"I love disaster and what ever comes after."
and Atrios put forth...
Farce as in 'modern times' not as in 'threes company'
may i suggest we are suffering bush's colossal mess
A poster above wrote: "A second term will not be a farce. It will be the absolute demise of the great American experiment, the death of the constitutional republic, and, indeed, the onset of a new dark age." I agree completely. And then -- we will nominate Hillary Clinton, and Act III will commence. THIS WOMAN MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS!
Yeah, Reagan didn't really shrink government, but he was still a hot daddy. And really that's all that matters.
Vinnie's "New Feudalism" hits the nail on the head -- but the problem is, how do we turn our anger at the Bush wrecking machine into a Democratic victory in 2004?
Mark Shields has a column that breaks down polling data on support for Bush's policies, and his likeability.
http://www.creators.com/
opinion_...columnsName=msh
Personally, I'm very discouraged at the moment. Howard Dean's campaign is exactly what the Democratic Party needs to revitalize itself, but HD's lack of discipline on the stump, and Trippi's seat-of-the-pants management make the party insiders reach for the mylanta. Not to mention, the destructiveness of the attacks on Howard Dean are doing Karl Rove's work. Wes Clark is a natural, but he means the same kind of party rot that occurred in the Clinton era.
What to do, what to do? It's not enough that we piss and moan and nash our teeth in the blogoshere -- we need to transform our anger into effective soundbites and strategies for the Democrats everywhere.
Oh, have patience, ck. Have you noticed how every soundbite gets turned into new propaganda?
Blah, blah, blah.
Patience.
disagree
i think Wes Clark appeals to the middle but will run government more from left.
I talk to every single person I know about Bush. And some people I don't know.
One person at a time.
One thing that the neo-con nitwits have forgotten is that if the social welfare programs go, do they expect the problems just disappear?
You idiot - don't you get it *YET*? These are people who read cyberpunk dystopias, saw themselves on the rich side of the class divide and said "Cool!!"
With the neocons, never ascribe to stupidity what can adequately be explained by malice.
n69n sez it. Americans have Alzheimer's.
Round 'n round...same shit different(some) names and places.He must be defeated ...it's pretzel logic or the end of days.
http://www.sdpjc.org/Data/Articl...s/
NorthArtI.htm
Round 'n round...same shit different(some) names and places.He must be defeated ...it's pretzel logic or the end of days.
Hardly.
Waging war with no hope for peace is the end of days.
Arthur,
Actually, that's a Grateful Dead song, "A Touch Of Grey". Bloody hard to play, too.
four legs good cantered around the track with: A second term will be a sign that the second dark ages have begun. It will be a disaster.
Buy stock in torch and pitchfork manufacturers. Yeah, I know -- they're all offshore, but still...
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God bless us all. I had to do a job in Colorado Springs, Colorado yesterday and much to my surprise, I-25 through El Paso County (where Co Sprs is) is now the Ronald Reagan Highway.
A second term will not be a farce. It will be the absolute demise of the great American experiment, the death of the constitutional republic,...
The great American experiment was always quite flawed. Ask the slaves, or the Native Americans. Or hell, the African Americans even after slavery.
Today I had to drive quite some ways to get to my job as Santa, in an enormous mall in a town I had barely heard of. This used to be such a nice little town--now it's just Dallas, or LA. Heard tell--we even had public transportation, once. Now we've got sprawl unimaginable even twenty years ago. The great American experiment was always quite flawed.
Ask the old, or the young. Ask the poor, or the squeezed middle-class. Ask the prisoners or the immigrants. Ask the library patrons, or people sitting in the parks. The great American experiment was always quite flawed. It's a fucking miracle it lasted as long as it did, if it existed at all, being composed mainly of fine words and few good deeds, as it was.
oy fuckin vay.
can we PLEASE get somebody to bitchslap Kerry, leiberputz and Gep? don't they realise this is war? fuckin beltway idiots.
If Bush makes it to a second term, he won't have Clinton's surpluses to piss away, f**king prig.
The great American Experiment was always the idea of America, the hope of America, not that the dream was ever reality but the fact that we, as a people always strived to make it so. Now there is not even the pretense of doing so. These fuckers are just shameless, in your face, fuck you we're in power now, you go to hell assholes. I think they would actually pride themselves in "The New Feudalism". Jesus, how retrograde. I think these fucks are actually reptiles.
Think not, Atrios. Seems like bullshit. G
Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte: "Hegel remarks somewhere that all great, world-historical facts and personages occur, as it were, twice. He has forgotten to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
hmm. 2nd term == farce?
I thought one was supposed to be able to find amusement, even if darkly, in a farce. The 2nd Bush term would be whatever the superlative would be for tragedy. Hypertragedy?
Reagan's lasting legacy isn't that he
shrank the size of government, it's that he shrank the heart of America. Before him homlessness, hunger, poverty,.. were considered a national disgrace, after him the poor are considered a national irritation.
He is also shares some of the blame for us not having universal health care, having whored for the AMA on the subject in the early 60s.
bzzzzzzzzz!
I am the winAr - w00t.
The thugs want to place reagan on the dime, he has an airport named after him, there are schools, libraries, centers - all named after reagan.
I lived through reagan, I remember his evil tax breaks, his 'fake' economic recovery that spiralled downward into recession. His creation of the drug war that created a new, most-lethal drug - crack. Iran-contra, etc. But since he was on watch when the soviets fell apart - he is derr new fuhrer to the brownshirts.
It is truly sad that persons that may at first seem intelligent - blow you away with their LOUD ingorance by sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring reality, history and truth!
RIGHT=WRONG
The first Bushboy administration has been a tragedy. The second one will be the apocalypse.
That may sound like hyperbole, but with deficits exceeding a half trillion dollars/year, more tax cuts to be implemented, the unsatiable greed of the Military Industrial Congressional Complex and 50 million baby boomers demanding their SS and Medicare over the next decade, it's dispassionate conservatism!
Hey, the link that tws posted above is awesome. Great political posters. I was laughing my ass off looking at them.
David Stockman thinks conservative economics is a fraud. Called the conservative leadership a bunch of Pinocchio nosed children.
check it out...
http://www.csulb.edu/~astevens/p...s/
stockman2.htm
"The Myth of Federal 'Overspending'"
By David Stockman
THE PHOENIX GAZETTE
March 10, 1993
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