I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
MoDo's breaking one of Krugman's New Year Resolutions!! Talking about a candidate's clothes!! Methinks Paul should read them to her, and every day yell "Nobody cares what clothes these guys wear, as long as they're not nekkid!" into her voice mail.
The Mighty Wurlitzer is building up thrust...we're nearing launch phase...prepare to fire booster rockets!
Ingition! And we have it! Election 2004 is underway!
What a pathetic hatchet job.
Aside from the stupidity of the comments--could she be less original
a new low for thoughtful journalistic thinking
But he wore ARGYLE!!
ARGYLE!!!
Maureen Dowd hangs out with the cool kids and she gets to go to the good parties and her mom gave her a credit card and then her dad gave her a BMW for her 16th birthday so all of you dorkus malorkuses just shut up because you're all so uncool.
Wait, why did the nytimes give her a job again?
I keep forgetting.
Shorter Maureen Dowd to Clark:
Don't worry about what you're wearing, unless you start worrying about what you're wearing, then you should worry about what you're wearing.
Ugh.
Occasionally, she has some pretty insightful articles. This isn't one of them.
so all of you dorkus malorkuses just shut up because you're all so uncool.
THAT'S NOT LATIN ...
How can someone claim to be a feminist and then write a column that reads like a jilted school girl concerned more about her boyfriend's clothing and haircut than his character or intelligence. She is admirably fullfilling every stereotype of vacuous, materialistic women. She's the Carrie Bradshaw of the New York Times editorial page, without the hipness or the juggies.
Hey, banging out 500 words in alliteration twice weekly about clothing and "Sex in the City" is tough work, especially when there are so many Washington cocktail parties to go to. Give Maureen some credit here.
Next on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy":
Wes Clark gets a makeover!
Shouldn't this be in the Celebrity/Style/Scandal/Gossip section?
She gets PAID for this?
What Adam 4-4-2 said. Sometimes she makes me roll my eyes, sometimes I think, you go girl. Personally I find the Michael Douglas comment unnecessary, Atrios.
Psst...
all of these guys could use a consultation with the fab five.
Frankly I would love to Dean go shopping with Carson, and leave the store with nothing but the wash and wear JC Penney's suit on his back.
I have no problem with the Douglas comment. Catty is as catty does.
Yes, but it was a Fair and Balanced account, because she also mentioned Republican Lamar Alexander and his red flannel shirts.
What Redhead said, what Adam said, although I think perhaps Atrios was mocking her Michael Dukakis reference....
just another c*nt with awol's dick in her mouth. hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.
Too late, MoDo, Tucker already beat you to griping about the sweater. No whore points for you.
Um... I kind of thought she was satirizining (or at least criticizing) exactly what everybody here is raking her over the coals for. Personally, I think it's kind of ridiculous that Clark took eight journalists sweater shopping, but even more ridiculous that eight journalists agreed to go.
She's always sucked. She sucked when she was making snarky comments about Clinton. She sucked when she was making snarky comments about Bush. And shee sucks when she is making snarky comments about Clark.
She's never contributed a single idea to the debate, nor has she ever criticized a single policy idea. All she does is make snarky comments about clothing or grimaces. She sucks, and the NYT should take her off the Op-Ed pages and give her a weekly column in its Sunday Styles section, where she belongs.
When Wesley Clark put on a sweater, he neglected to mention that media pundits insist that American women dislike argyle.
Argyle.
Argyle's in France, right?
I just hope Dean doesn't show up one day wearing microfleece from REI holding a Starbucks cup.
Once again, running neck and neck with David Brooks for the title of "Most Retarded Columnist" at the New York Times...it's Governor Schwarzenegger's Number One booster, the fashion maven lost in the political atmosphere, and your soul Heather #1, Maureen Dowd!
You know, the media in this country is for shit.
They can't talk about issues but BOY can they babble on about irrelevancies.
And they get paid for this crap!
Bastards!
Off Topic:
' O'Neill: Iraq Planning Came Before 9/11 '
http://tinyurl.com/2jyg2
"Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill contends the United States began laying the groundwork for an invasion of Iraq just days after President Bush took office in January 2001 — more than two years before the start of the U.S.-led war that ousted Saddam Hussein"
O'Neil is just hammering this guy. And you can tell he's holding back too.
MYOB'
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[i]"When Wesley Clark put on a sweater, he neglected to mention that media pundits insist that American women dislike argyle."[/i]
hehehe...
What the hell is wrong with the owner of the Times? He's the one throwing money at the likes of Brooks and Dowd in return for their insipid drivel.
Email her and the Times. Fight back, fight fight fight. As somebody said on these boards, fuck em like they've never been fucked before. The only reason the Heathers get away with this crap is that we the public have not come after them with the figurative torches and pitchforks and tar and feathers they deserve.
Enough is ENOUGH.
Dowd:
liberties@nytimes.com
Editor:
letters@nytimes.com
This is isn't even a left vs right issue. The issue here is we have a NYT columnist with the mentality of a 13 year old heather.
Think, for instance if, instead of Dowd, we had, say CalPundit, or even a smart conservative like Tacitus, on the NYT op-ed page.
Top marks to JennieBee. I detest the NYTimes at it pontificatory worst too, but sometimes there is room for a little gentle fun.:
"I think there's an impression that the armed forces is a male-dominated, hierarchical, authoritarian institution," he told The Times about his gender gap, notwithstanding the fact that the armed forces is a male-dominated, hierarchical, authoritarian institution.
It's funny!
After a month long vacation this is all she could come up with? Sad, sad, sad.
Hard to agree with anything Real Clear Politics says, but they weren't far off when they gave MoDo "Worst Columnist of the Year" "honors." http://www.realclearpolitics.com...y/
Op_Eddys.html What a waste of ink and paper her column is.
my letter, for all the good it will do, to Mo:
I couldn't even finish your column today.
Maybe you had something interesting to say. I don't know. But writing about the candidates clothing is about as stupid as you can possibly be. I mean, really, just absolutely stupid.
You have the greatest forum in the world to express an opinion, and what do you write about?
Wes Clark's sweater.
Good lord, woman, you are a fool. A silly, ridiculous, fool.
My only hope is when George Bush's 500 billion and counting deficit bill comes due, you have to pay for it. As you had a chance to say something intelligent while it was being rung up, and you elected to write about sweaters.
though, i might as well be whistling in the wind. good luck, y'all. see you in the internment camps!
My letter to MoDo:
Mind if I ask...
Ms. Dowd,
I just read your column about Wesley Clark's sweater, and I have a question for you.
With all that is happening in the world, and with all that's riding on this year's election, you can't find anything to wrote about more timely and important than Clark's wearing of argyle?
Since David Brooks came aboard at your newspaper, there's been a growing opinion that the NY Times Editorial page is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Your column does nothing to discourage that opinion. It's such a shame to watch precious column inches go to waste.
Xxx Xxxxxx, Xxxxxxx, NY
PS: Did you get bonus points for dragging out the old saw about Gore's earth-tones?
Maybe she's still nursing a hangover. Anyway, here's my letter to the editor. (man, they're so much fun to write!):
"To the editor, re: Maureen Dowd's Jan. 11 editorial.
Maybe Maureen Dowd should stop fretting over Wesley Clark's style and do more with Colin Powell's belated admission regarding the connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Wouldn't that be a more interesting, important, and timely subject for an editorial than General Clark's choice of sweater?
Will the day come when readers of the New York Times are freed from reading about Al Gore's "earth tones"?
On the other hand, part of me hopes that General Clark shows up for his next New Hampshire event in a ripped T-shirt with a faded image of The Clash, sporting a ragged three-day growth of beard. It would be worth it just to see Ms. Dowd and the rest of the sartorial squad throw a month-long fit."
xxxxx
the op-ed page is now the comics page of the nyt. bring on the clowns.
Watch Somerby "howl" about this on Monday.
The maddening thing about Dowd is that you know she agrees with Dems on almost everything. Yet she feels compelled to write crap like this column, or worse all of her Monica columns, her Gore trashing, and her Hillary hatred.
Um... I kind of thought she was satirizining (or at least criticizing) exactly what everybody here is raking her over the coals for. Personally, I think it's kind of ridiculous that Clark took eight journalists sweater shopping, but even more ridiculous that eight journalists agreed to go.
Um... no, actually. Maureen Dowd has to be the shallowest, least informative columnist on that page.
She lacks wit. She never talks substance. Her writing style is one part alliteration and one part capitalization. In the past few months she has apologized for a serial sexual assaulter, refered to Sex and the City about a gazillion times, and taken whining to a whole new level. If she is trying to parody vacuous mediawhoring (which she isn't), then she is being too subtle (like a David Brooks' joke).
No. When MoDo dedicates 500 words on the New York Times opinion page to clothing, she is sending the level of debate through the floor. And pretending to be a cocquette doesn't make it witty, cute or appropriate.
Honestly, could Clark have sweater shopped without the eight reporters and three minicams (if true)? He is at least as guilty as Dowd of trivializing things.
Personally I find the Michael Douglas comment unnecessary, Atrios.
I agree.
Sharkbabe rocks!!!!!!!!!
Dear Maureen Dowd and the NY Times,
Ms. Dowd, in political arena full of a shooting gallery full of issues, trillion dollar federal deficit being purposely run up, scandals at every level, and the death charge of Republicans attempting to destroy our government by "shrinking it to the size that it fits in the bathtub," I cannot believe what you choose to write about:
Argyle sweaters.
Please forgive me, I need a moment, to keep this calm and firm. You are supposed to be the fourth estate, using the valuable pulpit of our paper of record. Please spare us any more of your "heathers" style of analysis -- what the candidates wear, whether he sighed twice or three times -- this is all completely irrelevant. The issues are what is important, and if that means that occasionally Ms. Dowd has to put on her Manolo's and actually do some reporting that doesn't involve linking current events to yesterday's movies, so much the better.
The scoops that are out there are low-lying fruit, ready to be picked by any enterprising young reporter, if Ms. Dowd wishes to step aside -- I understand Page Six has an opening in the NY Post.
-O. R.
I think Bob Somerby just had an aneurysm.
We want Dan Savage! We want Dan Savage!
How do you fight this? Well, having power would help, and we don't have it. Have you ever seen Howie Kurtz called out on his shit? Does it faze him? Bother him at all? You know how far a 'journalist' has to go before they have to explain or fake apologize for what he or she writes -- you know: Gregg Easterbrook, David Brooks recently. Anyone else.
They feel like they have been given a life appointment, and who knows, maybe that's how the job should be approached. I sure don't want Krugman changing because of complaining emails (but I expect him to correct facts).
I think the energy has to be spent educating, informing others. When your coworker or neighbor says "I don't know, I don't like Dean cause he seems too angry, and that Clark is just too calculating with that whole sweater thing." That's when you speak up. They have that opinion because that's what they read and hear. So partly you have to tell them, implicitly maybe, you really don't know much about the candidates?
I dunno, I mean the Daily Howler's brilliant! But if his purpose is to cause an effect on the media people he exposes, well, not so good. But that is not his purpose, he knows that. He's getting the facts out to everybody. I have no faith in direct contact, it's ignored or the defense system is already in place. Maureen Dowd will never change. She will have that column until she gets elevated to opinion page editor. It's about power.
Modo has spent her career babbling about the personal life of Monica Lewinsky. I think that makes hers fair game.
And Atrios posting this is the kind of power I mean. That gets it out there.
Does anyone else just feel like waving a white flag?
The full court press of ridiculous yesterday on Dean, while the Carnegie report was played down, while the possible 1 trillion dollar bill for the grand Mars plan was ignored...
What chance to the people have? I finally know what it feels like to live in Bolivia or Chile, or Argentina.
It sucks.
No wonder Brooks is still mystified about the learning curve. It's the tenure curve, David. If you think this is irrelevant, look at Bill Safire's reports from his parallel universe. Stay on the paper long enough and you can submit the last words of Dutch Schultz as a column, and they'll print it.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ.
Ms. Dowd,
With nearly 500 American soldiers dead and perhaps 10,000 wounded in the Iraq War, waged to find non-existent weapons of mass destruction, it's almost insulting that you regularly devote your column to non-issues such as Wesley Clark's decision to wear a
sweater. In the wintertime. In New Hampshire.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there is a profound and wideranging sense of distrust in the public with the American media, even the once venerable New York Times. I think that news articles and columns such as yours, which discuss style over
substance and personality over policy, contribute to this.
To this day, 60% of Americans think that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks. This statistic should alarm you to no end, considering the Bush
administration has said there was no link between Hussein and al-Qaeda. Why don't you discuss these worrisome issues that go to core of the health of our democracy instead of argyle sweaters?
This country, it is clear at this point, has been disasterously mislead into war because the American
media have refused to ask tough questions of our leadership, unlike the BBC and other foreign news
services. I think that you, in a small way, are responsible for this war, the deaths of Americans soldiers and the continued dumbing down of political debate.
Sincerely,
XXXX
I was going to add "P.S. Give my regards to Ms. Zeta-Jones." but I thought that would have been too much.
Oh, I don't know, maybe she'll start a trend and write about the hideous lack of color coordination in the detainee clothing at the concentration camp in Cuba, or about how Dick Cheney's mad-dog snarl makes her wet herself.
I think we need to aim our letter-writing cannons at egregious acts of journalistic lying such as Nedra Pickler's articles, instead of fretting over what one moron with little connection to the realities of life in America has to say about Clark's sweater.
Did she have a fling with Michael Douglas?
those are not the kind of diamonds that make girls swoon
Oh my.
Did I just step into a time warp?
Given that Dowd babbles on and on about personal foibles, comments about Michael Douglas are fair game.
We should have a pool on when Dowd will write a serious article on politics. No, I don't mean Monica, earth tones, Bush's pillow, Clinton's cock, Gore has a personality transplant, Hillary is bad, various hissy fits, who said what to whom & any other sorority girl stories.
Just sent this to letters and to the public editor. Will now copy herself.
To the Editors:
Perhaps Maureen Dowd (“The Argyle General” 1/11/04) can be forgiven for thinking that what kind of sweater Wesley Clark is wearing is worthy of the space her commentary gets on your pages; after all, just this past Friday news of the General’s sweater choices was on your front page, above the fold (“Seeking Women’s Votes, Clark Changes His Style” 1/9/04).
In what universe of intelligent political discourse does a story about a candidate for president center on his sweater choice?
Interesting as the subject may be to reporters trudging the trail, sometimes a sweater is just a sweater. (Personally, I respect a guy who's got the sense to put one on when it’s cold. I just won’t base my vote on which one he chooses.)
The topic is also utterly unoriginal: the media’s been there, done that-- to Al Gore in 2000. It wasn’t helpful then; it’s not helpful now.
Did she have a fling with Michael Douglas?
Dropped like a bad habit for Catherine Zeta-Jones. Ouch.
My wife and I are so out of the loop. We had no idea that Maureen even had a private life, let alone with Michael Douglas.
This is what happens when you don't renew your subscription to People.
Michael Douglas. Really?
First the lesbians and now this.
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She's the Carrie Bradshaw of the New York Times editorial page, without the hipness or the juggies.
Juggies? Have you seen the show? Size 2 and flat as a board. Now, here (with apologies to Woot) are serious bosoms.
meet Maureen Dowd, the new Sally Quinn
oh
and one more thing
Sulzberger should resign
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=nyt
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Poor MoDo. That's some pretty stiff competition. CZJ is major babeage.
Molly, just one question, was the picture on the right supposed to be the after? how truly frightening!
As for our gal Maureen, I didn't know she had a fling with Douglas either, nor do I care. I've been thankful that generally she's been critical of bushco, but this column is just silly.
Perhaps she spent her vacation at a media ho re-education camp- now it's a new year and she's all ready to join the pack.
Molly,
I appreciate you not giving out that link around dinner time.
shudder
dear cosmic, I'm out of that loop as well, I'm glad I'm in good company. 
four legs good,
I have enough trouble keeping up with Laura Bush's driving record, let alone columnists' celebrated love lives.
I think it's a function of age.
Well, I like them.
At least Mo is a petty mean bitch to both sides.
"What the hell is wrong with the owner of the Times? He's the one throwing money at the likes of Brooks and Dowd in return for their insipid drivel.
Sovereign Eye"
Management is too busy dumping their stock to run the paper
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=nyt
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stupid twat.
Jeebus.
Email her and the Times. Fight back, fight fight fight. As somebody said on these boards, fuck em like they've never been fucked before. The only reason the Heathers get away with this crap is that we the public have not come after them with the figurative torches and pitchforks and tar and feathers they deserve.
Enough is ENOUGH.
Sharkbabe
Damn, I like the way you think, Sharkbabe. You must smell blood.
cosmic, I didn't know about Laura Bush's driving record either. And I don't even have age as an excuse. I just have an advanced case of "I don't give a flying fuck".
I am quite concerned about snausages of mass destruction though. I'm concerned Rick Santorum's dog will eat one.
Maybe the former supreme allied commander should stop fretting over his style and do more with Colin Powell's belated admission that despite his assertions to the U.N. last year, he had no "smoking gun" proof of a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.
Tell it to Bill Keller, you fucking whore.
Well, I like them.
Like what, anonymous? the horrid boobies? rusty shells? snausages?
You people miss the point of her column. (not today's, which was still off her game, but in general.)
She reviews politics as theater, not as policy-wonkery. most criticism of her is basically "why waste column inches on clothes, facial expressions, etc, rather than a good trenchant policy discussion?" The answer is: the campaigns themselves think about politics as theater almost as much as policy, and if her column is turned over to another earnest wonk, then no one will be focusing on that half of what politicians focus on. Good theater critics often are snarky.
OT, but Ailes nails it.
. . . was the picture on the right supposed to be the after?
Yes. Usually breast surgery is a vanity thing. Not this time.
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Grappler--My apologies.
We should have a pool on when Dowd will write a serious article on politics. No, I don't mean Monica, earth tones, Bush's pillow, Clinton's cock, Gore has a personality transplant, Hillary is bad, various hissy fits, who said what to whom & any other sorority girl stories.
I'm in for a hundred bucks on "never."
Clearly MoDo's terrified that she's about to lose her job to Carson Kressley.
the op-ed page is now the comics page of the nyt. bring on the clowns.
Don't bother they're here.
*****How can someone claim to be a feminist and then write a column that reads like a jilted school girl concerned more about her boyfriend's clothing and haircut than his character or intelligence. She is admirably fullfilling every stereotype of vacuous, materialistic women. She's the Carrie Bradshaw of the New York Times editorial page, without the hipness or the juggies.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 01.10.04 - 9:50 pm | #*****
Please, please, a little perspective.
If Carrie Bradshaw is supposed to be the Sarah Jessica Parker character, honey, that girl is very sweet, a little confused sometimes, but basically very sweet.
Sweet is definitely not the word for the usual suspects.
I would suggest that the vixen concubines are more like Alexis Carrington, without the charm.
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Hmmm... good point abc.
I guess I'm just one of those that is so sick that politics has become as image-driven as it is. I want substance, not fluff.
Imagine Steven Douglas and Abraham Lincoln in today's political culture. They'd never have become serious candidates to the Presidency. You'd have squat, barrel-chested Douglas debating long, gangly, rough-hewn Abe Lincoln. Could you see that today?
The answer is: the campaigns themselves think about politics as theater almost as much as policy, and if her column is turned over to another earnest wonk, then no one will be focusing on that half of what politicians focus on.
Bullshit. As much as she wants you to think she's mocking or keeping tabs on politics-as-theater, she eats this Hollywood shit up, like any pent-up boarding school ditz from the East Coast who thinks California is a Magical Sunset Land filled with movie stars and '57 Chevys.
If you think she doesn't buy into the politics-as-theater stuff, witness her glaring hypocrisy when Arnold Schwarzenegger came along and she became an InstaRepublican. She bought the sham of a farce that was the Schwarzenegger campaign hook, line and sinker. I used to have an ounce of respect for Dowd, but as soon as she soaked her panties because Schwarzenegger bought her lunch in Beverly Hills, I lost all respect for her. She couldn't see how Schwarzenegger was playing her like a little star-struck girl from Podunk, USA.
Look at her. She dates movie stars. She talks incessently about television and metrosexuals and all of the latest trends. She's completely fake.
what? nothing about the hiking boots that Edwards wore in Iowa?!?
bullshit from the MWs.
But that jilted schoolgirl bit, I agree with exactly, I think she is jealous that Madonna didn’t endorse her boyfriend and her boyfriend is gonna have his tuchas bounced all the way back to Texas.
Besides, could she be a little more lame, what does she have against argyle and where did she get the idea that doctors don’t wear it and pharmacists do, yikes, the chick just makes stuff up as she goes along, doesn’t she, I’ve been around doctors my whole life and we wear anything, which Wes should not necessarily emulate, but I am just saying, not a style nor a sweater I haven’t seen somewhere on some doctor, give it a rest Mo, nobody says pharmacists dress differently from doctors, they’ll wear pretty much anything too.
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"P.S. Sorry that Michael Douglas thing didn't work out. Maybe next time."
OUCH
Sheesh, what a bunch of humorless folks!
And for those of you who keep calling her a 'cunt' as a pejorative, you lose 5000 liberal points and must go back to start.
'"I think there's an impression that the armed forces is a male-dominated, hierarchical, authoritarian institution," he told The Times about his gender gap, notwithstanding the fact that the armed forces is a male-dominated, hierarchical, authoritarian institution."
Funny, funny woman. Too bad you're expecting every writer to be Paul Krugman, or you might understand that she's not trying to be Paul Krugman.
No, MoDo's not going to ever be what you want her to be, but that doesn't mean she's a 'whore'. This thread is knee-jerk at its finest, with a few notable exceptions that immediately get pig-piled on for not joining in with the mob.
Bleh. Some days, I wonder why I bother reading the comments.
I think somebody said the journalists were the ones who went to LL Bean because they wanted to shop too.
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*****We should have a pool on when Dowd will write a serious article on politics. No, I don't mean Monica, earth tones, Bush's pillow, Clinton's cock, Gore has a personality transplant, Hillary is bad, various hissy fits, who said what to whom & any other sorority girl stories.*****
I'm in for a hundred bucks on "never."
Generik | Email | Homepage | 01.10.04 - 11:56 pm | #
She’s even more creepy when she tries to do serious, she goes all smarmy and holier than thou, sends quite a shiver, folks do not try this at home.
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"Maybe the former supreme allied commander should stop fretting over his style and do more with Colin Powell's belated admission that despite his assertions to the U.N. last year, he had no "smoking gun" proof of a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda."
Maybe this worthless tart-and-a-half should stop grinding her ass against Bush's crotch and do more with whatever piece of paper she earned in jounalism school besides using it to wipe up the seed Bush sprays all over her back.
Shame on her.
P.S. Given her apparent Democrat leanings, MoDo is probably a Dean supporter, perhaps Lieberman ... anyone know?
Given her apparent Democrat leanings, MoDo is probably a Dean supporter, perhaps Lieberman ... anyone know?
She's not a Democrat but not a Republican, either. Still, she slobbered all over Schwarzenegger (see my post above). She's a libertarian, hence the name of her column: "Liberties."
Yeah, Old Hat, she fell for Arnie hook, line and sinker.
Before that she had amorous thoughts about Gee Dubya and something about his buffness or whatever word she used.
That alone disqualifies her common sense 
.
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Even the thought of sex with Dubya or a Rethug instantly freezes my Fallopian tubes .
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Ananna's right. Quit with the sexually perjorative terms. It was a senseless article, but it doesn't make her an overnight Bush supporter.
I don't get it. I mean, this is Maureen Dowd. What the fuck were you expecting?
Dowd is horrible. Even when she bashes the administration it's just embarrassing and stupid. If I were a woman I'd be insulted that she is the lone representative of my gender on the editorial page.
Adam - exactly what I was thinking (your first post). Krugman laid out some reasonable rules for reporters and columnists taking their jobs seriously and not making asses of themselves, and here she goes already.
Thank you, Adam.
I'm okay being one of the minority of liberals who actually like Maureen Dowd. That's okay. Y'all go on hating her and/or what she writes, that's your right.
I'm just bugged that I think maybe there is a small chance that many of you aren't her audience and you're just not going to 'get' what she's saying. Which is okay. Not everybody 'gets' Dave Barry.
She's obviously from a social class that most of us not only don't aspire to, but probably couldn't achieve even if we did. That's okay by me. I don't hate rich people. I just hate them when they try to destroy the world and I don't think Maureen Dowd has a secret plan to destroy the world, nor is she working for the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. She's just a party-girl who has some insight into the political scene because she goes to the same parties that they go to and shares the gossip. Sometimes it's interesting, sometimes it isn't.
I just don't understand the vicious anger that is being directed at her and quite frankly, it frightens me.
*****Maybe the former supreme allied commander should stop fretting over his style and do more with Colin Powell's belated admission that despite his assertions to the U.N. last year, he had no "smoking gun" proof of a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. General Clark has long been skeptical of that link.*****
Oh yeah, so if Mo is so concerned about Colin Powell’s belated admission, why is she spending a whole column on General Clark’s sweater?
And why isn’t she taking on Bushie on his lousy tax policies and his lying whoo whoo whoo herself?
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Gee, honey, I just saw a bunch of essentially benign posters venting their humor at Mo, the chick is a laff riot.
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I'm sorry but this is the same kind of crap Al Gore was dealt by the media in 2000 - day after day.
Where did this whole thing about the "sweater" come from anyway? Karl Rove operative? Democratic competition?
Maybe Wes is just damn cold! I'm wearing a sweater - its freezing up here!
Repeating this kind of ridicule is not only unoriginal - it hurts all Democrats candidates by making them appear non-authentic - like stupid window dolls.
Enough with jumping on the Media bandwagon Mo! Go mock Arnold with his college tuition increases..
Ananna, Adam,
I grew up in London and moved to Murrka many years ago. It has never ceased to amaze me how much baggage the word "cunt" carries with it in these United States.
Over here it seems to be an absolutely verboten term, despite the best efforts of whoever writes the scripts for "The Sopranos"
Ananna, you'd positively have a thrombo if you ever heard the infamous skit by Derek and Clive (the early 70's alter egos of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore)
Incidentally the word "slapper" seems to be the nearest British equivalent of the US usage of "cunt". In any case I refer you to the authority on vulgarity...
http://www.viz.co.uk/profanisaur...us/
profanis.htm
I.
Ananna,
Granting that sexist invective has no place in any discussion, why not express anger at Ms. Dowd? A prominent journalist for the paper of record can find nothing to write about in this all-important Presidential campaign except for Clark's choice of clothes. If Dowd is a party-girl with some insight into the political scene, and this is an example of her 'insight', frankly we're better off without it, no?
And it's not a matter of 'getting' Maureen or Dave. Those of us who don't 'get' them are suggesting that they start to act like they're words have influence. How many readers read Dowd's column and thought Clark should be dismissed for a pathetic attempt at getting the women's vote? That was the unmistakeable theme of Dowd's column. Atrios had it right from the beginning--maybe he was just cold.
Dowd is not satirist, Ananna. She's the kind of journalist all-too deserving of an equal-opportunity pejorative: she's a hack.
Elite drivel is OK; she'll only get fired if she starts expressing the interests of the other 99%.
uh, previous post: "their" words have influence... (sigh)
Good thought Clay, excellently said, thank you, dwelling on the sweater showed her irrelevance and disingenuousness.
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Taking the time to tell the usual suspects that we won’t take it any more is also important.
She and her buddies have been doing this kind of flackery and mis-direction for too many years, these are the same people who thought that Monica Lewinsky was more worthy of reporting than Mary Jo White, these are the same people who trivialized the important distinctions between Dems and Dubya by diverting the topic to minutiae about Gore and Hillary, these are the same in cahoots with DC establishment kind of vixen concubines (of both genders which I have long held, nothing new about that) who instantly mock and trivialize folks with the major issues that concern regular folks and concentrate on meaningless trivia, like sweaters and simply make stuff the heck up about which professions wear argyles and which don’t.
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Because, Ananaana,
MoDo is writing in the "most" prestigious paper in America, in the op-ed section, about a candidate for President of the United States, and she talks about his choice in sweaters.
Only an idiot would care.
*cough*
But, you are right, I probably just don't "get it". I usually want to know about policy, and would like to see some intelligent (yep, there's that word again) debate going on in these pages.
I agree that Dowd's an embodiment of what's wrong with the Democratic Party. She's elitist to the core. Somehow thinks that all men should be "metrosexuals". I actually appreciated a Safire piece in the NY Times Magazine that basically said that a metrosexual means a pompous, narcissistic ass.
However, she does have some good columns from time to time. She's redeemable. I hate character assassinations WRT calling her a "cunt" or "whore". I wouldn't even do that with Ann Coulter. It cheapens not Dowd so much as it cheapens yourself for sinking down to such a level.
Thanks Old Hat. It would seem that MoDo is not a Bush stooge so much as an irresponsible and apathetic inadvertant Bush stroker. In her attempt to seem clever, she degrades the General and the Democrats, ignoring the importance of the upcoming election and playing into the shallow trends of the media.
Ananna - Perhaps the piece is so enraging because she has previously appeared to have some shred of integrity and journalistic worth. But it's not scary to make tawdry metaphors. Tasteless perhaps, but not scary.
Oh!
If it is clothes we are talking about... has anyone else noticed that no matter what Maureen wears... she still looks Dowdy!
Adam 442,
Don't you think it is more than a little ironic to have Safire calling anyone "pompous, narcissistic asses?"
Even the thought of sex with Dubya or a Rethug instantly freezes my Fallopian tubes .
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MinnieB9 | Email | Homepage | 01.11.04 - 12:32 am | #
Self-sterilization? I tried that thought and got brain sick... EEEUUUCHHH!
Is it true that being Maureen Dowd is really Ariana Huffington's day job?
Adam 442,
Don't you think it is more than a little ironic to have Safire calling anyone "pompous, narcissistic asses?"
Melanie | Email | Homepage | 01.11.04 - 1:54 am | #
Yes indeed. I was thinking that when I wrote that.
If 'getting' Mo Dowd means opening up the New York Freakin' Times editorial page and having to read about somebody's goddam sweater, I think I'll take a pass.
That used to be hallowed ground. Now it's recuced to prattling about sweaters.
And I would think any good feminist would be just a little offended by MoDo's 'the kind of diamonds that make girls swoon' line. Or is she being post-feminist or something?
Aaahhh, smoking a nice cigarette, the smoke wafts by the night light of the monitor, she lays in the torn sheets and blankets of the unmade bed. Starting to stir again I read the article to which this post refers. It's late here on the left coast. I really try to read the article but my eyes start to glaze over as I read the word "argyle", something is probably supposed to stir something in me in this quicksand torpid prose. It does not begin to move anything in me anymore than a mosquito would if it bit me in the butt during a wild frothing orgasm. I go back to my unmade bed........
I'm just curios. If calling MoDo a "cunt" is bad, is calling Bush or Cheney a "dick" okay? Maybe it's just because it's the genitalia that's running the world or something...
Frankly, to compare her, even tangently, to Dave Barry, is a massive insult to one of the best humorists of the past 20 years. Plus, Dave Barry's funny. I wouldn't have minded her bringing up the sweaters if it'd been used as a springboard to something else. Sure, it's silly that the good general took 8 reporters sweater shopping, but come on...you're on the friggin' New York Times. Do something with that honor.
Yeah, so sue me for wanting, nay expecting a little intelligent commentary from someone on the most prestigious op-ed page in the country.
still, maureen is just a c*nt. this means that she is just all genitalia. no brains.
stroke her and she will slobber all over you.
sort of a living blond joke. just like all her brethren in the press. boys too. d*cks and c*nts.
and all assh*oles. shaping the publix impressions of the world.
that is why this country, and the world, are as f*cked as we are. it is these strange individuals, d*cks & c*nts, employed by the media, that continue to relate lies to the publix.
unfortunately, it was ever thus. so saith george seldes and izzie stone.
but that doesn't mean we should countenance their prevarications and their foolishness.
and we should call them what they are: d*cks and c*nts.
maureen, nedra, ann, david, et alia, et alia.
trash them as often and as graphically as you can. otherwise, they win.
I think the General should auction that sweater off as a fundraiser for his campaign. I bet he would get 100k for it.
I give up.
Okay, I hate Maureen Dowd as much as the rest of you. Can I be part of the in-crowd again?
Yeah, but argyle?
Hey, I don't hate Dowd. Don't even know her.
But she's gotta do better than 500 words about sweaters and Madonna and Al Gore's earth tones.
It's silly, peripheral nonsense like that that damaged Gore in 2000. I don't really care who writes it. I'm sick of reading it.
Y'all, I like Clark, but he walked right into this one. He took the reporters shopping with him.
What his campaign staff was thinking, I can't imagine. Or rather, I can't imagine they were thinking at all. Many of them worked for Gore, but apparently the words "earth tones" mean nothing to them. Maybe they were so traumatized by the 2000 campaign that they blocked it all and remember nothing.
And as someone mentioned earlier, earnest wonkery is not MoDo's beat. To get pissed off at her for writing a snarky column about fluff is like getting pissed off at a sportswriter for writing about football.
Back to me. To answer one question, no, I didn't like those massive ziploc tits.
Second, MoDo is a slobbering cock gobbler, with nothing original dripping from her chin. Can anyone point to an original thought that she's put to paper in the past six months? Honestly, I think we should start a contest.
I'll take the under.
Back to me. To answer one question, no, I didn't like those massive ziploc tits.
Second, MoDo is a slobbering cock gobbler, with nothing original dripping from her chin. Can anyone point to an original thought that she's put to paper in the past six months? Honestly, I think we should start a contest.
I'll take the under.
it's amazing -- modo has turned manhattan's gray lady into a lawng-guyland yapping yenta.
Dave Barry funny? Not in the last five years. Did he ever have any substance?
it's amazing -- modo has turned manhattan's gray lady into a lawng-guyland yapping yenta.
My letter to the Crimes:
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:36:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: editorial@nytimes.com
Subject: Maureen Dowd
Just read Maureen Dowd's column on Wesley Clarke's choice of sweaters.
Britlliant. Do you actually pay her for this? While it is possible that
she has some satirical intent, my recollection of her previous columns
makes me doubt it. Why do you print this woman? Are you that desperate
for a female op-ed columnist? If so, why not consider someone like Molly
Ivins, who is not only more entertaining but also has something
significant to say. And hell, if you are just really, really desperate
for columnists, I would be happy to write for you. I couldn't do any
worse than Dowd, and I could use the money.
Bill
I don't hate MoDo -- I just ignore her. She was shrill beyond comprehension at Clinton, and then she ragged on Dubya, and now she's ragging on Argyle. I think she fancies herself some sort of intellectual Robin Hood -- rob from the talents of Frank Rich, give pithy insights to the poor.
And... I've got to ask. Is the Michael Douglas thing real? Because, if it is, I admit to being damn near smug about having never heard it before this. (Which is why I made the Dukakis joke upstream.)
The pathetic irony and lack of insight of her writing a column about his sweater and accusing him of ignoring the issues and worrying about his wardrobe.
Note too that she cites the Suellentrop Slate article so she is well aware that the trip to LL Bean was to get a cold staffer a coat. He had borrowed the argyle sweater from his brother-in-law and was buying another sweater to keep warm. There is absolutely no discussion of the sweater as a solution to the gender gap. It is being bought for warmth.
Please, everyone. Write mo dowd and write the editor. This sort of outrage cannot go unremarked on. Already Dean supporters are talking about "consultants telling Clark what to wear." See how easy it is to spread the bullshit around. The Goring of Clark has begun.
Richard,
Nah, Dave Barry never had any substance...but that's the point. He never pretended to have any substance. And I'll agree he hasn't been quite as funny in the last five years, but then again he's had to do this type of thing every week for over 20 years...so it's natural he's bound to slip a little.
Would MoDo like to be evaluated
on the hideous red color she uses
in her hair?
"I think there's an impression that the armed forces is a male-dominated, hierarchical, authoritarian institution," he told The Times about his gender gap, notwithstanding the fact that the armed forces is a male-dominated, hierarchical, authoritarian institution.
It's funny!
Yes, but she forgot to Pickle it: "When Clark said there's an impression that the military is a male-dominated, authoritarian institution, he neglected to mention that . . . etc."
Actually, I think everybody's right. MoDo is what she is, and that's what the Times wanted when they moved her onto the Op-Ed page. Sometimes she's good at it, though this column was really weak.
It's like when they went to color photography, for those of you who are old enough to remember that (I'm old enough to remember when they didn't have photographs at all): not really a contribution to news or opinion or political thought, just an attempt to make the paper more entertaining. Don't expect from MoDo what she isn't there to provide.
On the other hand, it kills me that they think she's worth space on the Op-Ed page but Frank Rich isn't.
OMG, & i defended Mo Dowd, over & over again!
that was trash. it was a trashy joke about trash. it was prop trash from a trashy joke about trash.
My effort is below.
Dear editor:
In the course of a lengthy and critical discourse on the clothing worn by General Clark and other Democratic candidates and politicians, Maureen Dowd tells the general to "stop fretting about style". Perhaps Ms. Dowd could take her own advice. She has managed to write a column that is both trivial and hypocritical, and serves only to distract from real issues. With the nation at war, the national debt skyrocketing, and the economy in a tailspin for all but a few, maybe she could something else to talk about with Dan Rather, and in her columns, than Wes Clark's sweaters.
Here's my letter:
Dear Ms. Dowd:
I understand the purpose of a column like yours is to entertain readers with witty commentary about the news of the day. However, with mounting evidence in the last week or two that the current President thrust us into war unnecessarily and "by all means necessary," readers are likely to be more than a little offended by a cute column about presidential challengers' clothing choices. It seems to me that one skill opinion columnists ought to develop is an ability to discern between tasteful and distasteful commentary. I think you blew it this time.
I'm okay being one of the minority of liberals who actually like Maureen Dowd. That's okay. Y'all go on hating her and/or what she writes, that's your right.
[snip]
...She's just a party-girl who has some insight into the political scene because she goes to the same parties that they go to and shares the gossip. Sometimes it's interesting, sometimes it isn't.
I just don't understand the vicious anger that is being directed at her and quite frankly, it frightens me.
--Ananna
I sometimes like Dowd, too, Ananna. I also don't think it's fair to dump on her the onus for the myriad dysfunctions of our political discourse -- she makes no bones about surface-mining political & cultural trivia for fun and the frequent "meow." But I do understand the invective. When our serious journalists and pundits have such a despicable track record of weaving distorted trivia into nontrivial results -- such as the trashing of Gore in 2000 -- it's tough to take even a lighthearted swipe (and a poor one at that) that strikes so close to home. And when it's already so difficult to get the unvarnished truth about the Bush administration in people's faces, it's exceedingly tough to see that valuable NYT op-ed space go to waste.
As someone else pointed out, Dowd missed an opportunity to write a devastating parody of the mindless focus on candidates' clothes. When she's good, that's exactly the kind of thing she's good at. Fresh from a month's vacation, you'd a thought she coulda done better.
I wear argyle socks. When I was 26 I thought they were pretty square. Now that I'm 56 I have come to realize that I'm pretty square too. Argyle is what my mother calls a classic. "Classic", in my mother's parlance, is shorthand for not giving a shit what anybody thinks of your fashion choices. I'm not a Clarkian, but he's welcome to make classic fashion statements if so inclined. Dowd take note.
Dearest Marbo,
See... that's my whole problem... the way I read the article, that's *exactly* what she did do -- write a devastating parody of the mindless focus on candidates' clothes. Maybe I read it wrong. But the way it came off to me was that she was making fun of not only that other journalists were focusing on clothes, but making fun of the style sense of the journalists who were focusing on their clothes!
But that's just the way I read it. I'd like to think that I'm not completely wrong here, and that there may be just a little bit of oversensitivity (and purely justified!) that is causing people to jump on Dowd, which is why I am wondering if maybe a lot of people didn't "get" it. Maybe I didn't get it. Wouldn't be the first time.
Anyway, I'm so over this and won't be responding to anyone else on the issue. People are going to think the way they want to think and nothing I'm going to say is going to change their mind. I don't know why I bother even reading the comments most days, let alone writing one.
The real news about Clark on Thursday was that Sherron Watkins, the Enron whistle blower, endorsed him. Focusing on his sweaters is the NYT's way of burying the lede.
By the way, Dowd comes from a modest, middle-class family. She did grow up in DC, which gives her a cosmopolitan flavor.
Here's my letter to Mo:
Ah ha.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ha ha ha.
ha ha ha ha HA HA ha.
ha ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha.
Argyle.
I think the ghost of Paul Simon should rise out of his newly-turned grave and bite you on the leg.
I just re-read the column, and I have to stand by my earlier comments. Dowd isn't being especially didactic in this column, but what she's doing is somewhat interesting and not deserving of this biliousness.
Maybe it's just me. I'm one of those people who can't find a job and so are going back to school, and I'm doing it in Theatrical Costume Design, so surprise, surprise, I tend to think that clothes really can tell you something about the person who's wearing them.
If candidates are letting themselves be seen to make costuming decisions, that is note-worthy. It tells you, among other things, that they don't feel confident that who they are is appealing enough to the voters. Krugman's commandments are valuable, and I don't want to read any more than any of you about the First Lady's Manolo Blahniks, if she has any, but if a candidate makes a sudden change in his wardrobe, or any other way he tries to form public perception of himself, like if he puts on a flight suit for the cameras, why not note it?
Let's look at set design as well. I hated W's word-scene backdrops from the start, and I was disconcerted to see Dean using one when he got the Gore endorsement (he may have done so other times as well - I really don't watch enough television to know) but, perhaps owing to the clearly underscripted nature of the remarks, I was comforted when the message coming out of his mouth and the message on the wall (and don't you hate the idea of "message"? I do) were in no danger of being at odds with each other.
All the world's a stage.
It was his brother-in-law's sweater by the way.
She might be faintly condemning the fashionistas, but it's like Bill O'Reilly doing a big report against internet porn, and showing you 5 minutes of web porn pages to prove how bad it is.
Perhaps it's not that the Maureen Dowd column is overrated and/or irrelevant, perhaps the more unsettling reality is that the New York Times has become overrated and irrelevant. Maybe it's better that we all find something better to do with our Sunday mornings!
This is why women shouldn't be allowed to write for newspapers.
(I kid, I kid...)
"Wait, why did the nytimes give her a job again?
I keep forgetting."
As someone whoo sits way over on the other side of the fence, I wonder the same daily. Politics aside, she is literally the worst columnist I have EVER read (and no, I'm not exaggerating).
Can we start a bi-partisan effort to get her fired?
Please???
Sent to liberties@nytimes.com.
--------------- Letter begins -----------------
Argyle? Sweaters? I'm supposed to care? Simply astonishing.
I gave up reading your stuff a long time ago -- now it's just a matter of trying to see if you're capable of feeling shame.
[Signed]
--------------- Letter ends -----------------
If nothing else, lurking on sites like this teaches you that timing is everything. Once you break the hundred-comment count, there's not much new to add. Even the incipient "Picklerishness" of the Clark gender-gap quote has been addressed.
Still, I can at least add my voice to the group of Dowd-disliking posters including Old Hat, MinnieB9, Clay, Rusty, and Marbo, and take issue with Ananna-- whose condescension upon arrival is more forgivable than her petulance upon leaving. Don't go away mad, dear, just go away-- and don't let the mouse bite you on the way out.
(Incidentally, I didn't "get" this comment at all: "She's obviously from a social class that most of us not only don't aspire to, but probably couldn't achieve even if we did." Ananna | 01.11.04 - 1:04 am | It reminds me of the possibly apocryphal exchange in which F. Scott Fitzgerald Fitzgerald said, "The rich are different from you and me" and Hemingway said, "Yes, they have more money.")
All that said, and having considered the earnest Dowd defenders here who have striven to enlighten those of us who either don't "get" her or react vituperatively, I still find Dowd disingenuous, superficial, and self-serving at best. Certainly there are many writers and essayists, e.g. Frank Rich, Robert Hughes, Cintra Wilson, who write about politics from the tangential perspectives of culture and media. And such writers are witty, mordant, and satiric rather than "wonky."
But Dowd's style is more reminiscent of the late-night TV comedian/icons, whom I've come to detest. Like Leno/Letterman (who also have redeeming moments), Dowd seems to write on the same broad principle articulated by Johnny Carson, who defended his political humor by noting that it was non-partisan, that the general idea was to lampoon, parody, or otherwise attack the foibles of all politicians. And Carson succeeded, sticking to relatively gentle, superficial, innocuous political humor, probably because he didn't take his role too seriously, or maybe because he was able to resist the impulse to use his show to vent his personal politics.
Not so his successors, both Jay and Dave, who use their bully comedy pulpits to relentlessly and viciously savage certain politicians and gently rib others, and who weave in a smarmy jingoism as they do it. Like them, Dowd tries (and often gets) to have it both ways. Here, for example, it's argued that she's merely voicing an arch and somewhat tongue-in-cheek satire of both dopey politicians who transparently make costume changes to attract rubes, as well as the trivial pursuers in the media who focus on this circumstance. But when I read (and re-read) the piece, it pretty much adds up to cheap shots at Wes Clark, who comes off as phony and foolish. Dowd implies that the other candidates are beyond such frippery.
A more thoughtful and profound observer might have addressed this worthy issue more even-han
...A more thoughtful and profound observer might have addressed this worthy issue more even-handedly. To push my parallel with the late-night TV icons one more notch, I "get" a similar vibe from Dowd-- as if she's writing on the basis of, "Let's face it, it's all just infotainment!" which implies, "Don't get your undies in a twist, I'm really just an infotainer!" Thus, like the talk-show comedians, the source uses a parabolic screen to deflect negative feedback, suggesting that distaste, hostility, and anger ("biliousness") must evidence a speck of misunderstanding or misdirection in the viewer's eye.
I'm not particularly a Clark fan, and I sometimes enjoy Dowd's columns, but I agree that the NYT Op-Ed page is no place for this latter-day Louella Parsons.
"Ensorcell" What the hell is that? Did she mean "enscroll" as in sign up, or register? Or what?
I can't find it in my Yiddish dictionary, either.
Little Brøther: (Incidentally, I didn't "get" this comment at all: "She's obviously from a social class that most of us not only don't aspire to, but probably couldn't achieve even if we did." Ananna | 01.11.04 - 1:04 am | It reminds me of the possibly apocryphal exchange in which F. Scott Fitzgerald Fitzgerald said, "The rich are different from you and me" and Hemingway said, "Yes, they have more money.")
Not apocryphal; both sides of the exchange were published.
Anyway, I have no idea what the quoted comment about "social class" means, either, unless it reflects an inferiority complex in the writer. The irony is that Dowd's origins are in fact "middle class at best" (to coin a phrase).
Regards,
Mooser: "Ensorcell" What the hell is that? Did she mean "enscroll" as in sign up, or register? Or what?
To ensorcell is to bewitch or fascinate.
(Same root as "sorcerer" and "sorcery.")
Regards,
Darth Philly G. Ever read Jeff Jacoby? It's worse when they're making believe they have gravitas.
I've seen MoDo, she's got no cred fashionwise.
I've read her, no cred at all.
Argyle is in Scotland.
It was 20 below zero in NH yesterday.
It was an ugly sweater. Regular guys wear solid "earth tones."
Bush's golf cart cowboy costume is worse--implying a "lifestyle" with which he has little real familarity.
If Bush wants to know why he keeps hurting his knees jogging, he should ditch the cowboy boots. They shorten the Achilles tendon and jar the knee.
Calling Dowd, the queen of the DC "Heathers" a cunt only makes her feel more self-righteous than she already does.
These are very dumb things to talk about during a presidential election.
Discuss among yourselves.
Cervantes, I thank you for tilting at the windmill of my ignorance.
Ensorcerize.. ah.. Ensorserate.. Ensorciphile.. I get it.
hey, she's been on vacation for a few months and maybe she forgot that she's on the Op-Ed page, not the fashion section
then again, it could be belt-tightening time at the Times and the opinion writers are having to do double duty, what with BooBoo's humor/opinion, Friedman's automotive/opinion, Herbert's crime beat/opinion, Rich's opinion/entertainment, Krugman's business/opinion, Kristof's travel/opinion and now Dowd's doing fashion/opinion. I think Safire's the guy that they have as the go-to guy for the corrections section, if it's in his column they know they'll have to issue a correction for it
Sounds more like Maureen is just cold, since Clark's unpleasant argyle rudely ruined the "frisson" she was trying to work her fingers into when watching him wear camos.
Just watched Sex and the City and the fashionista Sarah Jessica Parker was wearing an argyle sweater. Maybe Clark is cutting edge and it's MoDo that needs the modern makeover!!!
The article was annoying fluff. But the MD comment was unneccessary too, as are the personal insults people are hurling her. You don't like fluff, yet you spend time name-calling people you've never met for articles that you didn't like? If we want to debate real issues, why are we spending time obsessing over this?
MoDo is right on this -- there is something very odd about the physical appearance of Clark. His head seems too small and his neck too short for his shoulders -- but since he's not a large man, how can this be? I keep hearing about his status as a war hero status but none of that exudes from his person. Then there is all the talk about how he is a true leader, but when he speaks, he's not exactly inspiring or exciting. Overall there is something sort of creepy about him.
Not being a regular reader of Dowd's columns (I've read a few that I intensely disliked), I got a totally different message from everybody else on this thread.
I though that she was satirizing the way journalists always write about female candidates in politics: always stuff about hair and clothes, always.
So I found the satire quite good!
But obviously it wasn't what other people saw there. Though just think about the anger shown here because she wrote about Clark's sweaters. That's what journalists always write about Hillary, for example.
The NYT is out to Gore Clark in a big way. Today they published a letter that totally mischaracterized what his campaign said about women and the military. They're really out to get him. The attack arrows are flying. Its only the beginning.
I just hope you'll all get this upset when the media discusses female politicians' appearance. But maybe that's too much to ask.
Although I have no use for Dowds columns, she is a hot older babe. Any good pics of her out there?
One of the very few times I ever agreed with Pillboy is when he said (paraphrasing) "everyone rips into the Richard Mellon Scaife-funded writers, but how is Maureen Dowd getting paid by the Times for this?"
At least most people know the Scaife funded publications are crap, but the Times is supposed to be the bastion of journalism
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