I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Right judge, wrong court. He shoulda found a way to put Pickering on the 9th Circuit just for the entertainment value.
Who can forget when Preznitwit told Mrs. King when presented with a painting of MLK Jr.:
"Mrs. King, thanks for this beautiful portrait. I can't wait to hang it."
The remark was followed by laughter in the room by those who obviously understood what Bush was implying.
In fact, you can read a transcript of it for yourself on the Whitehouse.gov website
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/
20020121-1.html
Let's buy Bush a hempen necktie for MLK day, whaddya say?
Hey. Even klansmen need representation on the court.
WHAT A FUCKING BASTARD!!!!!!
to the legal scholars out there :
anything we can do? start impeachment right now? anything? Please????
how many of these recess appointments have ever been made?
What an asshole.
Okay, this is a tiny but pet peeve, here, but it's Martin Luther King, Junior. His father, "Daddy" King, was quite a leader in his own right, at least in Atlanta. I know this isn't the substance of the thread, but it warrants mention.
You'd think that Bush would have nailed the cracker vote down by now, but you can't be too sure, I guess.
Speaking of 'Pride In The Name Of Love', what is one to make of the NFL turning down Bono's request to perform with Jennifer Lopez during Superbowl Halftime his new song "An American Prayer" to raise awareness about AIDS in Africa?
Instead they're having Janet Jackson (who showed up to her brother's hearing today) and Beyonce.
Guess Bono still has the stink of O'Neill on him, huh?
You don't really need to own a calendar with these guys, do you?
Let's see, recess appointment of Pickering, huh? That must mean it's Friday.
And, what's
">this below? Oh, it must be the Friday before a three-day weekend.
The Supreme Court refused Friday to block a hard-fought Republican redistricting plan in Texas that could cost Democrats as many as six seats in Congress.
The justices will announce later this year whether they will consider an appeal from congressional Democrats and others who claim the map dilutes minority voting strength. In the meantime, they rejected an emergency appeal that sought to stop the state from using the new boundaries in this year's elections.
I think the article is incorrect in saying that the entire court refused to block the DeLay map. My understanding is that the plaintiffs asked Fat Tony to block the map, as he is the capo, er I mean justice responsible for appeals from Texas. So the map could still be reversed by the full court.
lets all commit helping get the african-american vote out in our respective cities .... aiight?
buckfush.
Brian C.B., you're assuming pleasing others is the only reason he's doing this. Maybe fucking minorities over really gives him a presidential erection.
A.
Seeing Bush placing a wreath on MLK, JR.'s grave yesterday sickened me.
Remember Dr. King was opposed to the Vietnam war. What would he have said about George's excellent adventure in Iraq?
And then today, the news about Pickering.
Dear goddess, when will this end?
WPE! Worst. President. Ever.
Dear goddess, when will this end?
Ever get the feeling it's not going to end, but drag on for 70 years, like the USSR?
Good idea spk!
Greg Palast re-ran this article written by Palast and MLK III.
juckfeb.
huckfarris.
Fire up the busses. We're going freedom riding again, folks.
Brian -- The cracker vote won't truly be nailed down until Bush dons his invisible Klan robes and makes a speech at Bob Jones University extolling the virtues of his "inclusive" administration.
Heard a brief report about 7:00 last night on our local all-news radio station (Infinity, I believe, but I'm not sure). It mentioned the Atlanta protest, but had the tone of "how dare those rude protesters interfere in a magnanimous gesture by our sensitive president." Sheesh!
seems that bushco has used this trick before to add his peeps to other federal appointments, but in a quick search it seems that clinton pulled this particular trick as well. Man does it get any better than a non-representational two party system?
Oh, and let's not forget a necktie for Bill Schneider, shall we?
entirely off the subject, but it looks drudge is now digging up selective quotes from kerry as well.
This run is gonna end. It's in the air. Only the deepest darkest vilest tricks and assertions of power within and without the laws and Constitution will change that. That is why they do what they do, that is why everytime you think -- Wow, how low can they go? They go lower. Imagine a horrible act this administration can do that they have not yet done. Got it? OK, now wait a while and watch them outdo your imagination. They got the power, they want to keep the power.
can't wait for monday's surprise
maybe he'll suspend all human rights
all over the world
Let's see. There's Charles Pickering, Nedra Pickler, and W calls his wife "Pickles." Just a coincidence, or does W have cucumber fantasies? Is that a cucumber in your flight suit, or are you just happy to see all these sailors?
Do you think Bush would be cocky enough to attempt to mend fences with conservatives (frustrated by his excessive spending and his immigration plan) by trying to slide Roy Moore into Pickering's vacated bench?
It's not something we can do much about. Clinton used this rule during his term in office to do the exact same thing. I can't complain because it would be hypocritical of me to do so.
The issue here is making sure that people are aware that the man's alleged support, which the president suggests includes lefties, is scrutinized and revealed as either a truth or a lie.
But then again the kind of lefties these people are probably getting support from are the likes of Colmes or some other Fox News 'liberal'.
More on this next...
MYOB'
.
Anonymous, you're not implying that the Bushitler Reich would allow the detonation of a 'dirty bomb' in order to avoid an election, now are you?
I'm with Shaw.
I wonder how much botox they had to inject in the Preznitwit to keep the smirk off his face as he laid the wreath.
Today's episode of Holden's Obsession with the Gaggle begins with a rare Helen Thomas sighting.
Q Are you opposed to direct elections [in Iraq], which is really the most --
MR. McCLELLAN: Actually, I think that that's --
Q -- personified way of democracy, because the Shiites, obviously, would win big?
MR. McCLELLAN: Actually, I think that -- well, one, I totally just reject that characterization because I just mentioned that the November 15th agreement calls for free, fair, open, and direct elections by the end of 2005. Go back and look at the November 15th agreement. Now, I would remind you that Secretary General Annan was the one who indicated to the Iraqis that elections at this time are not the best way forward. And we agree. It's important --
Q Why?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, Helen, I think it's important to have the institutions for democracy and elections in place so that you can have a free and fair and open and direct elections. And we're moving forward quickly on that effort, and the November 15th agreement is a way to get there.
Q But they don't know the process of caucuses, do they?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think, one, you point out a very good thing. The Iraqi people for the first time are realizing that their future is going to be in their hands. You're seeing the political process at work in Iraq right now. There are town hall meetings going on. There is a town hall meeting that will be coming up soon in Baghdad, where Iraqis are discussing democratic institutions, and discussing freedom and democracy and how they go forward on pursuing a free and democratic and prosperous future.
And you're seeing -- there were a number of meetings that took place across the country in December, hundreds of meetings among small groups and big groups of Iraqis, where they were discussing this issue. As they assume more and more responsibility, they are beginning to realize the wonders of democracy. Democracy is emerging. The political process is working. And that's what you're seeing right now.
http://tinyurl.com/3byn2
message to black voters: "I care." Message to his white racist base: "Snicker, snicker."
doesn't it feel like the vindictive little prick did this today, just because he actually heard protestors for the 1st time in three years yesterday?
How dare these "uppity" blacks shout at Great Leader?
"Behold my wrath," thunders the Mighty Bush.
..continued..
I want to bring up the point that, as we have seen on Fox News, etc. Republicans/conservatives are trumpheting the support or allegience of supposed 'liberals' and democrats on specific issues and candidates.
There is no doubt that people are anything but, yet we have done nothing to provide us with the same result.
With religious reconstructionists supplanting our democracy with a theocratic fascism by having stealth candidates run for office, why can we not fight fire with fire and begin having liberal candidates behave like conservatives for the exact same purpose? Recruit liberals to behave like conservatives. Have them run for offices held by GOP conservatives, only to behave with more moderation, and leftwing attitude at a later date?
When are we going to respond to this?
MYOB'
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Naw, I just mean classic dirty tricks - multiplied times Rove. Lots of use of "facts" as gleaned from rumor, using others to attack, using others to operate push-polls, announcing a Serenety Now Campaign to counter the "anger" of the left....
Ever get the feeling it's not going to end, but drag on for 70 years, like the USSR?
Боже мой! Нет!
Not if we unite behind the eventual nominee, regardless of whoever we happen to favor today. The numbers are absolutely in our favor. We can and must do it.
Holden's Obsession, Part II:
How does the man say these things without his head exploding?
Q In addition to immigration concerns, some conservative groups are also raising concerns about the spending bill next week before Congress. They say it's simply too costly. Does this White House think that there is too much pork --
MR. McCLELLAN: Actually, the President has always put forward a responsible budget that meets our priorities and holds the line on spending elsewhere in the budget. And the President does not believe that government spending should be growing faster than the average family's income. And that's why this budget, when it comes to the discretionary spending, holds the line on spending to the 4 percent level and meets that principle. And we are pleased that Congress has worked with us to get to that point.
http://tinyurl.com/3byn2
"Can't wait to hang it."
Excuse me???
I don't know how much more of this my stomach can take. Not to mention my brain.
Finally, Holden's Obsession observes the White House Press corps laughing at one of Scotties' outrageous lies:
Q But, Scott, some civil rights leaders were very upset yesterday -- you saw by the mob yesterday that greeted the President. They are concerned that civil rights is not on the table here at the White House. Jesse Jackson said it was an insult to lay a wreath at Dr. King's grave. Is the White House trying to embrace the African American party -- the African American community -- excuse me -- we know that they are going out for the Hispanic community, but will there be an effort, as the Republicans are trying to get 25 to 40 percent of the black vote in 2004?
MR. McCLELLAN: The President believes in reaching out to people from all walks of life --
Q (Laughter.)
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry?
Q Nothing.
http://tinyurl.com/3byn2
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
I have to say it again - Gore got a half-million More votes than Bush. Surely our democratic nominee can do just as well, with a little better electoral heft. How many hold-my-nose, anti-Clinton Bush voters are still willing to vote Bush. How many Naderites will now be energized to at least get the country back to a democratic capitalist-corporate state (and then work on it from there), how many who were turned away from voting are already making sure they and others will be able to vote in November. This Bush is scared.
Southern Strategy Strikes Again.
Wendy -
Would you like some fries with your vomit?
Here's how toostupidtobepresident.com animated the acutal event.
if every person of color and every liberal in the US votes for the dem candidate in november, will it be enough to overcome the massive fraud and stolen votes in the repug trickbag and boot this evil usurper from the office that he fraudulently occupies? PLEASE??
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This post is dead-centre target, case in point regarding said claim.
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PLEASE??
Yes, it will. I want you to make it your mission to register 10 people to vote between now and election time.
I did a bit more on the Pickering appointment, and a colleague did some on the legality of recess appointments in general, at Demagogue (click my Homepage link if interested). But short Arnold is: Clinton used the recess appointment to put a black judge on an all-white court after Jesse Helms blocked every black nominee for eight whole years; Bush used the recess appointment to put on an alleged racist after the Senate Judiciary Committee voted him down.
Oh, and on the Texas redistricting case: Scalia referred the application to the full Court, so it was the entire Court that rejected the stay. It's still possible that the Court will hear the appeal in the regular schedule and decide to reverse, but in the meantime the 2004 elections will go forward with Tom DeLay's map. More on that at Demagogue, too, by the way.
Sorry for the self-promotion. apc
Clinton used this rule during his term in office to do the exact same thing. I can't complain because it would be hypocritical of me to do so.
At least you can recognise it. When Clinton did this sort of thing, the Republicans acted like he peed on the Constitution. But now that their boy's in the office, it's SOP.
I don't know if I can wait for November. The suspense is killing me already.
Can't we just call for a special election or something? Like, yesterday?
A.
I just want to know how this schitt can be legal?
Aren't there some limits to recess appointments.
#@$$ $$#@%$ $#@#*&*
Just to follow up on the possibility of getting this son of a bitch (and in this case, I mean it literally) out of the WH, there are actually people who don't have a clue as to what is going on, and who need to be educated.
I work at a university, and some of the admins here have NEVER EVEN HEARD of Howard Dean. Or have a clue who any of the other candidates are. Personally, I find that unbelievably depressing, but maybe there's an opportunity lurking under the surface.
It shows how much racial progress we've made in this country that the best two examples Atrios can find of "racial insensitivity" are the booing of an anti-affirmative action president and the appointment of a judge who has been unfairly smeared as a racist.
Martin Luther King himself -- not to mention Booker T. Washington, Frederick Douglass, and a bunch of other people who had their heads screwed on right -- would not be supporters of affirmative action if they were alive today. Affirmative action is wrong -- you can disagree with that, Atrios, but it's tired, paleolib demagoguing to imply that being anti-affirmative action is the same as being racist.
Pickering has large black support in his state. The cross-burning case often cited as "racially insensitive" has been spun to become something it's not.
If there's racism out there, Atrios, then show it to us. But you've gotta find way better examples than Pickering and being against affirmative action. Otherwise, hang it up.
"Mrs. King, thanks for this beautiful portrait. I can't wait to hang it."
Thanks for refreshing our memory, and pointing out the laughter from his fellow klansmen.
Coretta should have spit in his face. She still should.
MattG:
http://www.fair.org/extra/9505/k...ive-
action.html
Clinton used this rule during his term in office to do the exact same thing. I can't complain because it would be hypocritical of me to do so.
This assertion is not completely correct. Clinton made a recess appointment of a judicial candidate who's confirmation had been blocked by a single (racist) senator.
Bush made a recess appointment of a judicial candidate who's confirmation had been rejected by the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2002 (when dems were in the majority). After a majority of the committee members rejected Pickering, Chimpy re-nominated him (a first in US history). Pickering was then approved by the committee, now dominated by reThugs, but his vote before the entire senate was blocked by fillibuster.
Not really the same, you see.
If there's racism out there --
ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Just ignore the moronic brownshirt fuck.
If there's racism out there, Atrios, then show it to us.
You're white, aren't you?
Someone asked when will this ever end. The powers that be, and I know many of you will bitch, Republicans AND Democrats ( actually the money behind them) have big plans for the empire.
I know most of you missed the following article, but you REALLY should read it.
And consider what the implications are.
http://www.alternet.org/story.ht...l?
StoryID=17563
America's Empire of Bases
"Our military deploys well over half a million soldiers, spies, technicians, teachers, dependents, and civilian contractors in other nations. To dominate the oceans and seas of the world, we are creating some thirteen naval task forces built around aircraft carriers whose names sum up our martial heritage – Kitty Hawk, Constellation, Enterprise, John F. Kennedy, Nimitz, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Carl Vinson, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, John C. Stennis, Harry S. Truman, and Ronald Reagan. We operate numerous secret bases outside our territory to monitor what the people of the world, including our own citizens, are saying, faxing, or e-mailing to one another.
Our installations abroad bring profits to civilian industries, which design and manufacture weapons for the armed forces or, like the now well-publicized Kellogg, Brown & Root company, a subsidiary of the Halliburton Corporation of Houston, undertake contract services to build and maintain our far-flung outposts. One task of such contractors is to keep uniformed members of the imperium housed in comfortable quarters, well fed, amused, and supplied with enjoyable, affordable vacation facilities. Whole sectors of the American economy have come to rely on the military for sales. On the eve of our second war on Iraq, for example, while the Defense Department was ordering up an extra ration of cruise missiles and depleted-uranium armor-piercing tank shells, it also acquired 273,000 bottles of Native Tan sunblock, almost triple its 1999 order and undoubtedly a boon to the supplier, Control Supply Company of Tulsa, Oklahoma, and its subcontractor, Sun Fun Products of Daytona Beach, Florida. "
To help put the article in perspective.
http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu...du/
farewell.htm
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence-economic, political, even spiritual-is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothin
http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu...du/
farewell.htm
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence-economic, political, even spiritual-is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
OK, ignoring now. Just had to get give the cryptobigot a link.
MattG -
Nice to know you are channeling Dr. King, not to mention Booker T. Washington, Frederick Douglass, and thus know their thoughts.
Old Hat-
Rather quick with the link, are you old bean.
In a 1965 Playboy interview, King compared affirmative action-style policies to the GI Bill: "Within common law we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs.... And you will remember that America adopted a policy of special treatment for her millions of veterans after the war."
That pretty much says it all.
Athenae - "Can't we just call for a special election or something?"
Personally, right now, I'm calling for the bastards' heads on a platter. All of them. This just keeps going and going and it is only going to get worse.
Slightly OT:
Famed Bush-appeaser Dick "War Resolution" Gephardt poses for another photo-op with Bush: http://us.news1.yimg.com/
us.yimg...r2631163372.jpg
dave - you're welcome.
"kingdoms rise, and kingdoms fall..."
MLK Jr. will stand forever.
The problems with Pickering have nothing to do with affirmative action. Unless you consider giving a lifetime judicial appointment to someone who calls cross-burning a "prank" to be affirmative action for discriminated-against Klansmen.
Bush-appeaser Dick
So many straight lines, so little time...
Well, if installing a hateful racist fiend like Pickering on or around MLK's birthday is'nt a coded message to American racists, I don't know what is.
Who is he going to install in the judiciary system next? Fred Phelps?
You just know Prezy Photo-Op's MLK-day follies are delighting his cracker base: "Hee hee, sumbitch is disrespecting the nigrahs and tain't nothing the news people can say about it!"
I think these are desperate acts of a desperate man. Two credible republicans have spilled the beans, and more are coming. Bush (well, probably Cheney) is trying to do as much as he can in the little time he has left.
Famed Bush-appeaser Dick "War Resolution" Gephardt poses for another photo-op with Bush: http://us.news1.yimg.com/
us.yimg...r2631163372.jpg
Don Noort | Email | Homepage | 01.16.04 - 5:03 pm | #
Thanks for the laugh!
"If there's racism out there, Atrios, then show it to us. --MattG"
Well I'll show you what I got in my email yesterday from a rabid Bush supporter. I'm posting it here reluctantly, but I think it's important to answer that "If there's racism there" remark.
I answered this person and told him I wasn't surprised at what he, a Rush/Bush conservative sees as humor: bashing minorities and spreading calumny about them as a race. This guy's also a devout Christian. I asked him if he'd send this email to Jesus, and if Jesus would enjoy seeing this trash written about one of his creations, or did Jesus love only white conservative Republicans.
I then told him I had to wash my eyeballs after reading the filth.
His email to me:
Hello ****** I am from a liberal-democrat family and
My name be Eboneesha, an African-American girl who just got an award
for
being the best speler in class. I got 67% on the speling test and 30
points for being black, 5 points for not bringing drugs into class, 5
points for not bringing guns into class, and 5 points for not getting
knocked-up during the sumester. It hard to beat a score of 120%. 
The white dude who sit next to me is McGee from the Bronx. He got a
94%
on the test but no extra points on account of he have the same skin
color
as the opressirs of 150 years ago. Granny axe me to thank all liburals
for suporting afermative action. You showing the way to true equality.
Yo fren,
Eboneesha
Yeah, I'd say there's racism out there.
Let's all pitch in and buy Unka Dick a really big microwave, whaddya say?
Where are our great Black leaders like Senator Jay Billington Bulworth?
"You got half your kids are out of work and the other half are in jail. Do you see ANY Democrat doing anything about it? Certainly not me! So what're you gonna do, vote Republican? Come on! Come on, you're not gonna vote Republican! Let's call a spade a spade! I mean - come on! You can have a Billion Man March! If you don't put down that malt liquor and chicken wings, and get behind someone other than a running back who stabs his wife, you're NEVER gonna get rid of somebody like me!"
Well, TO, if they aren't desperate, I think they should be. The Chimp can't face the public without a fleet of buses to protect him, do they really think he is anything but unelectable?
OT, but another nice one from the Supreme Court:
http://www.abanet.org/journal/
er...j16copstop.html
"The checkpoint stop here differs significantly from that in Edmond," Justice Stephen Breyer wrote in his opinion for the court majority. "The stop’s primary law enforcement purpose was not to determine whether a vehicle’s occupants were committing a crime, but to ask vehicle occupants, as members of the public, for their help in providing information about a crime in all likelihood committed by others."
The court added that "special law enforcement concerns will sometimes justify highway stops without individualized suspicion." The court applied a reasonableness test and ruled that the checkpoint stops were constitutional. "Most importantly, the stops interfered only minimally with liberty of the sort the Fourth Amendment seeks to protect," Breyer wrote.
Apparently now it's OK for the cops to make random stops of motorists, as long as it's to question them about suspicious activities in general rather than about a crime the individual motorist is reasonably suspected of having committed. See, "individual liberties" are one thing, but it's ok to randomly detain people in order to question them about OTHER individuals. Apparently Pickering will fit right in...
Just point our "friend" in the direction of the Margaret Cho freeper email lovefest for some more examples.
Damn it Holden, now I have to clean my screen because I can't see a picture of that sonofabitch without spitting on it.
I'm not kidding.
"reasonably suspected"
as in:
"What you doin' drivin' a motor car, boy? Did your gov't mule die on ya?"
Turnabout is fair play, Tena, you got me earlier this week with your comment about what Ann Coulter might be doing with the iguana.
Racism in America? Doesn't exist:
http://margaretcho.com/
attacks_f...m_the_right.htm
I know I'm recycling myself, but dammit it is funny:
MR. McCLELLAN: The President believes in reaching out to people from all walks of life --
Q (Laughter.)
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry?
Q Nothing.
Yeah, I do love that bit from the gaggle.
That is funny, HC.
Funnier if the reply would have been:
"Yes, Scott. It would appear that you are."
Damnit Holden, it is funny.
Though I must say I find it quite sad that Bush doesn't think that McClelland is pretty. That must be devastating.
If there's racism out there, Atrios, then show it to us.
I was about to write a 10,000 word essay in response to this, but then I realized I'd be more productive watching dog shit turn to dirt. To get a hint, click on the "Homepage" link.
I call bullshit. I'll be hard cash money that Pickering doesn't have "broad black support" anywhere.
Why, here's a black person saying the same thing in the Clarion (Miss.) News in the Jan. 19, 2003 edition:
"In addition to Gray, other black Mississippians support Pickering's candidacy, including civil rights lawyer Deborah Gambrell. But Cooper said the sentiment is not widespread among the state's black community.
"Certainly, he has some black supporters," Cooper said. "But I take issue with the fact that he has broad black support."
Then we had the lovely display yesterday toward Margaret Cho. It was as culturally sensitive as a Fred Phelps rally.
This is OT, but the cybercafe I'm at has a big tv screen tuned into CNN, and they just aired a shot from some press conference given by Katherine "Cruella" Harris. And for just a moment, I thought she was Michael Jackson.
Gee, for a guy that supposedly has the support of 90% of all Republicans and 100% of all Wingers, Bush sure spends a LOT of time placating 'em. Pickering. $1.5Bn Marriage support. Etc. Etc. Sending flunkies to SOUTH CAROLINA during the Dem primary. Doesn't he have these people all locked up already? Why isn't he concentrating on the middle-of-the-road folks? If your base is 1000% behind you, it seems like a good time to reach out to non-traditional supporters.
Anon, I've been saying that about Eisenhowers warning against the Military Industrial complex for at least a year. Unfortunately most people seem to be unable to understand what's happening. Hopefully they will wake up and smell the toast burning.
Athenae & Tena, I've asked this question in the past, so I guess I'll ask it again, and Tena you're an attorney right? You should have some insight into this.
My question has been why can't we have a giant Class Action suit against Shrub. Not against the Gov, but against Shrub personally and some other members of his administration; And take them to task for Gross Mismanagement.
Obviously the powers that be, both Democrat and Republicans will not do anything to impeach this bastard.
So a Class Action suit makes sense to me. It's kind of a Referendum on what's going on. Even if it's not quite to Velvet Revolution stages it would get peoples attention. Even if it was shot down it would get media attention (at least overseas 
)
Barring that, if Shrub wins then I heartily suggest that we all take to the streets and have a real Velvet Revolution. Hopefully it will go as well as this one - The November 2003 events in Georgia – from fraudulent election results, the mass protest of its people, to the resignation of its president, Eduard Shevardnadze – have been extensively covered and analysed by news media across the world, including several articles in openDemocracy.
Sounds kind of familiar doesn't it? Hopefully we can oust this pretender also.
Cheers
And for just a moment, I thought she was Michael Jackson.
Fucking hilarious.
CounterSpin has a pretty funny photo of Cruella up.
WARNING: may upset some stomachs.
Gore was right. Moral cowardice.
President-Select Adolph Smirky Chimp sure manages to push you guys' buttons. It's a beautiful thing to witness.
Cordially...
but guys, Bush hired Colin Powell and Condi Rice! He loves negroes!
Oh my God! Nat Hentoff and the Village Voice are apologists for racism! http://www.villagevoice.com/issu...345/
hentoff.php
Way way OT - I can't find any comments on Kinsley's inane op ed in the WaPo in the blogsphere- what's up?
via mediahorseonline's archives:
"...At the hearings on his confirmation for a federal judgeship, Pickering flatly asserted that he had never had any contact with the [Mississippi Sovereignty] Commission (an anti-civil-rights group). It was, at the time, impossible to contradict his claim because the commission's files were sealed -- a sealing for which Pickering had voted in favor as a Mississippi state senator in the 1970's.
Unfortunately for Pickering, public interest law suits forced the release of the commission's records in 1998. And those records plainly revealed that Pickering had lied under oath..."
The Republican Party in 2004: A lying racist placed on the bench by a miserable failure.
Not to mention the signal to the racist wing by placing the racist on the bench the day after MLK's birthday.
Hey all,
So last year it was the UMich affirmative action thing. What did he do in 2001 and 2002 on MLK day? I'm sure there was something...
...the appointment of a judge who has been unfairly smeared as a racist.
Pickering's actions on the bench reinforce dramatically that the insensitivity he demonstrated as a young lawyer towards some of the most divisive issues our nation has faced continues unabated. As a law student in 1959, Pickering wrote an article suggesting a way for Mississippi to strengthen its law against interracial marriage. Soon after his law school graduation, he formed a three-person law partnership with a man who ran for governor as a "total segregationist." Later, as a legislator serving in the all-white Mississippi state Senate, he voted against several measures intended to expand electoral opportunities for African- Americans. He also voted to continue funding for the Sovereignty Commission, a notorious state-funded agency founded to fight desegregation in Mississippi and to spy on civil rights and union activists.
Don't you mean fairly, MattG?
OK, so now that I've been called a "crypto-bigot" and a "brownshirt fuck," let me continue...you guys are about as welcoming to a libertarian as the charmers over at Free Republic. I get called names there, too.
I was probably overstating Pickering's case to say he has "broad" black support in Mississippi, but he's certainly got a reasonable amount. The case for Pickering being "racially insensitive" -- which I read with an open mind, unlike, I suspect, some people who post here -- was not convincing at all. The cross-burning case was about mandatory minimum sentences and some kind of quirk in the case where the perpetrator least responsible for the cross-burning (of the three perpetrators) was getting the harshet
sentence due to minimum sentencing laws Pickering disagreed with. As I said, it's been spun to be something it's not.
We can argue about whether MLK would agree with what affirmative action has become, but no one argued with Frederick Douglass or Booker T. Washington, of course, because it's very clear what they thought about it. Again, being against affirmative action -- which I am -- does not make me a racist, or a cryptobigot, or a brownshirt.
Do people here really think that anyone who's white (like me) and against affirmative action (like me) is a racist? I used to be for it, but now I'm against for a lot of reasons, but mostly because I've come to the conclusion that it hurts African-Americans instead of helping them. Is this so out of bounds on here?
I was probably overstating Pickering's case to say he has "broad" black support in Mississippi, but he's certainly got a reasonable amount. The case for Pickering being "racially insensitive" -- which I read with an open mind, unlike, I suspect, some people who post here -- was not convin--
Zzzzzzzzzzzz...
random -
What, the atrocity in post two of this comments section wasn't enough for you?
I love it when Rethugs hides behind the "Libratarian" mantle.
Ignores away!
Blog Reader - class action lawsuits are subject to a lot of rules and those rules were revised by this Congress. I'm not up on all the changes, and it's been awhile since I looked at the old rules. But one thing that jumps out is that one of the things that has to be shown in order to get a class action certified is that there is no other remedy available for the harm that has been caused. In this instance, it's obvious that there is - election.
Someone who attempted to do what you suggest might get some publicity - but that's all.
Which "broad" are you referring to, MattG?
Essie Mae?
Sheesh.
Old Hat - dang, beat me while I was replying to BlogReader.
Yep, it's the standard dodge. Thus: ignore, ignore, ignore.
Pickering is a former Republican Party state chairman, a onetime head of the Mississippi Baptist Convention, a critic of congressional efforts to mandate uniform federal sentences and an opponent of abortion and what he calls "extensions" of federal judicial power. From the bench, he has repeatedly assailed what he calls "frivolous" lawsuits, especially petitions by prisoners alleging unlawful incarceration and workers alleging employment discrimination.
You want proof of racism? Non-white person refused service in public restaurant. Non-white persons refused entrance to public venue. Non-white person called "nigger" by by white passer-by in pick-up truck. Non-white persons blinded with bright headlights on a truck full of white "good ole boys" (followed by the word "nigger" as they finally drove by). Fourties? Fifties? No. Late 80's and early 90's. Administrations at the time? Reagan and Bush the First.
hmm, I wonder if the "wreath" was in the shape of a target for pissing on MLK Jr's grave, or if aWol just waited until today to do the figurative version
Oh my God! Nat Hentoff and the Village Voice are apologists for racism! http://www.villagevoice.com/issu...345/
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I was probably overstating Pickering's case to say he has "broad" black support in Mississippi, but he's certainly got a reasonable amount.
Wrong.
The case for Pickering being "racially insensitive" -- which I read with an open mind, unlike, I suspect, some people who post here -- was not convincing at all.
Wrong.
The cross-burning case was about mandatory minimum sentences and some kind of quirk in the case where the perpetrator least responsible for the cross-burning (of the three perpetrators) was getting the harshet
sentence due to minimum sentencing laws Pickering disagreed with.
Wrong.
Three strikes and you're out, crypto-bigot brownshirt fuck. Back to the circle jerk. Best to Unka Karl!
The Best of Pickering:
The prosecutors, documents and interviews show, agonized over how to deal with a hostile federal judge.
Among other steps Judge Pickering took, he threatened to order a new trial. When prosecutors asked him on what basis he could do so, he replied, "Any basis you want."
In a sealed order, Judge Pickering ordered the prosecutors to take up the Swan case with Attorney General Janet Reno, an unusual demand they did not comply with and one he did not enforce.
Judge Pickering also telephoned Frank Hunger, a friend who was then a senior Justice Department official, to complain. His call may have violated the canons of judicial ethics, several legal experts say. Mr. Hunger said he listened but did not take any action on the complaint.
The case for Pickering being "racially insensitive" -- which I read with an open mind, unlike, I suspect, some people who post here
No, I think you called it "unfair," which does not show an "open mind." I think we call it a "closed mind."
SO after conceding two big mistakes, you ask if your half-reasonable, half-controversial idea will get a fair hearing. Hmmm. Well you have two strikes already...
BlogReader, I've said many times that I plan to sue and blame my incipient alcoholism on the Bush Administration. "I had to drink brandy. It was the only way to sleep without nightmares in which President George W. Bush humped Joe Lieberman/Tom Daschle/Terry McAuliffe and Lieberman et al begged him for more."
A.
who in no way intends to make fun of alcoholics, just those with Bush-themed gay sex nightmares like herself
Sumwon-
Sorry, early in the year, thinking two years ago was 2001...
So, what was the atrocity of MLK 2001?
Well, well, I see the hate-filled left is out in force on this board. Good thing none of you will have any actual power over anything except your own deranged rantings--even at that I wonder--
You want proof of racism?
You forgot: "non-white person dragged behind a pick-up truck full of cracker ofays until his head popped off."
My personal fave...
I see the hate-filled left is --
ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
For some reason, it's funniest when Dave does it.
Well, I'm called a "crypto-bigot brownshirt fuck" again, but he didn't debate my points.
I'm a registered Democrat who voted for Clinton twice and Nader in 2000 (the Nader one I really regret...). But now I'm a libertarian and like it!
I did read the case against Pickering with an open mind, random; the fact that I came down on a different side of it from you doesn't mean I wasn't open to being convinced. And random, conceding mistakes is actually a fine point of debate, not a reason to be "kicked out".
I don't buy the Pickering-as-racist thing. He has too much black support for me to believe it, like in this NY Times piece:
But even if you disagree with me on Pickering, no one here, in between the calls for me to leave (are you that intolerant of a dissenting opinion?!), has debated my point that it's reasonable and non-racist to be white and against affirmative action. Agreed or no?
Blacks at Home Support a Judge Liberals Assail
February 17, 2002
By DAVID FIRESTONE. NY Times
AUREL, Miss., Feb. 15 - Back in Washington, his opponents have depicted Judge Charles W. Pickering as the personification of white Mississippi's oppressive past, a man so hostile to civil rights and black progress that he is unfit for promotion to a federal appeals court.
But here on the streets of his small and largely black hometown, far from the bitterness of partisan agendas and position papers, Charles Pickering is a widely admired figure of a very different present.
In funeral parlors and pharmacies, used-car lots and the City Council chambers, the city's black establishment overwhelmingly supports his nomination to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, which is heading toward a contentious vote in the Senate in the first major judicial battle of the Bush administration.
Though few black residents here subscribe to Judge Pickering's staunchly Republican politics, many say they admire his efforts at racial reconciliation, which they describe as highly unusual for a white Republican in the state.
"I have never seen Trent Lott open his arms to the black community the way Charles Pickering has," said Larry E. Thomas, owner of Thomas Pharmacy, referring to the Senate minority leader, who is Judge Pickering's friend and patron. "Over the years I've seen him work with black leaders and really try to make an effort to understand and help the community. That's a progressiveness that we need to see more of in this state."
"His call may have violated the Canon of Judicial Ethics..."
May have?
One of those canons says that a judge must not even give the appearance of bias in a case. I'd say that calling the DOJ to complain about something like that is definitely a violation. I am constantly appalled at the caliber of judicial nominees coming out of this WH. If anything they are of a lower caliber of judicial scholarship and action than even Bush I, with Clarence Thomas. It is the sheer stupidity of these judicial nominees that I find almost as egregiously offensive as their bias and their far right wing agendas.
For some reason, it's funniest when Dave does it.
That's because he has a homepage of reasonably priced parting gifts...
thanks for playing.
Oh for fuck's sake - with Trent Lott as the man's patron how can anyone claim he isn't bigoted. That's just too silly to even answer.
Jeebus. LOL
I'm not Tena, but I can tell you that the president has immunity from tort claims. So a class action lawsuit isn't really in the cards.
And BlackCat, the opinion by the Supreme Court dealt with roadblocks/checkpoints. Not randomly stopping individual motorists. Mind you, the decision pisses me off, too, but it doesn't give cops the right to pull people over just to ask them a few questions...I hope.
Now he's reaching for the "registered Democrat" mantle.
Dave, you should make some "ZZZzzzzz..." t-shirts, featuring some of your greatest wingnut cutoffs.
I've been informed that I'm also a mornic brownshirt fuck. That said, Hentoff aside, I think a plausible reading of Pickering's full record suggests that he's at least a reformed racist, if not a current racist.
That said, I really don't get the criticism that Pickering is "a critic of congressional efforts to mandate uniform federal sentences." Have you ever heard a federal judge say good things about the sentencing guidelines? Those would be the same guidelines that mandate crack sentences 100 times harsher than powder cocaine senteces -- despite the sentencing commission saying that there's no rational basis for the disparity -- because Congress is too fucking cowardly to look soft on crime.
cry me a river, matty g!
Re: Margaret Cho
When freeper bottom-feeders indulge in fevered wet dreams of a Final Solution to the Liberal Problem, they neglect to take into account that, instead of sitting at the Master's right hand in their brave new world, they would be held in as much contempt as they actually are now and would quickly become cannon fodder.
MattG:
Don't you find it ironic that a president who benefitted from a form of affirmative action -- aka "legacy" -- is the one who wants to repeal affirmative action for minorities? You should check out the incredible stories Wall Street Journal reporter Dan Golden did on legacy and celebrity admissions at various schools, both private and public.
Bush wouldn't have gotten into Yale if he weren't the descendent of Yale alumn.
"I'm a registered Democrat but" = cryptowinger.
Fire up the busses. We're going freedom riding again, folks.
Hah.
Fire up the trains. We're off to enjoy the nice new shower facilities at the Inconvenient-Subhuman Internment Camps.
Golly, I hate Fridays under the Bush Regime.
Mr. Fed, I dunno who called you a "moronic brownshirt fuck," but I will gladly give testimony in your behalf. Folks, he ain't one. I know him from the snopes message board (I think he's the same guy) and he's quite non-partisan in his snarkiness.
Cheers, Mr. Fed!
Thank you, John D, that was really the best laugh I've had all week.
martha - don't give me too much credit. I haven't cracked the cover on a law book in a good number of years, now.
There is some presidential immunity, but it isn't complete. Nevertheless, a class action against the prez might make a statement, if anyone was paying attention - but unfortunately, that's about it, as I said. At least, that's my un-professional opinion.
but it doesn't give cops the right to pull people over just to ask them a few questions...I hope.
Here's an interesting story. A few weeks after the LA riots, one of my friends, who's a sociologist, and I drove throught south central LA. We're both white. We were pulled over by the police and the first thing the guy asked us was if we were drunk. We both said no, and then he said 'these fuckers will kill you and take your car without even thinking about it' (refering, of course, to the residents of the area). This was an LAPD officer. He then told us to leave. Racism, not an issue, huh?
"I've been informed that I'm also a mornic brownshirt fuck. That said, Hentoff aside, I think a plausible reading of Pickering's full record suggests that he's at least a reformed racist, if not a current racist."
Well good, Fed, I'm glad I'm not the only moronic brownshirt fuck who posts here.
I could possibly buy this version of events --that Pickering is a "reformed racist". Many in the South were/are (recall that Byrd was a KKK member in his youth). But, as evidenced by the NY Times piece I excerpted above, he has apparently made long-term outreach to the black community in Mississippi a priority over his career, which is good and should be noted, and is necessary for racial reconciliation.
The other thing necessary for racial reconciliation is for people to be fair-minded and judicious in accusations of racism, and not cheapen its meaning by using it to stifle honest policy differences.
Well, they did beat the hell out of that poor truck driver simply for stopping at a traffic light.... While racism is certainly an issue, that officer may simply have been giving you a heads up, given the heightened tensions at the time.
Sure, Tena, the immunity is not complete. But you can't sue a president for mismanagement. The Tort Claims Act was written just for that purpose. But there was that woman who sued him for the wrongful death of her husband on 9/11/01, wasn't there? I think her case was dismissed....
random -
What, stealing the election in 2000 by having Jeb & Katherine illegally deny black Floridians their vote wasn't enough for two years of racost fucked-up-ness?
You really ought to go read about the Theft of the Presidency!
Sheesh.
Lou -- I am against legacy admissions in universities that receive federal funding, just as I am against affirmative action in college admissions. No inconsistency there.
I am indeed a registered Democrat, although when I renew my license next month I am changing to Libertarian party. One reason I am leaving the Democratic Party is the racial demagoguing, as evidenced by this list. I eventually came to the conclusion that both affirmative action and a constant hair-trigger hunt for racists and racism hurts
African-Americans way more than it helps them.
I am repulsed by too many things about the Republican Party to join it (war in Iraq, war on drugs, profligate spending, Mission to Mars) and yes I think Bush himself is pretty much an empty vessel for Cheney et al. to manipulate. But on the issue of race, Bush is more right than you guys. America isn't the racist country you all seem to think it is. Sure, there's Jasper Texas and other examples, but overall, it just isn't like itwas anymore. I agree with about a third of what Atrios writes, but you guys on this list are still in the '60s on race. Sorry, don't shoot the messenger.
While racism is certainly an issue, that officer may simply have been giving you a heads up, given the heightened tensions at the time.
His exact words were 'These fuckers...'
That was my point.
And yeah, I didn't actually think the trip was a good idea...due to the hightened tension, but...yound and brave, eh.
martha - most governmental institutions have immunity from tort claims except in cases of intentional tort. You can't sue a school when your kid gets hurt there, unless some school employee did the hurting, on purpose.
I was not aware that the woman's case was dismissed. Anyone else know?
Unfortunately for Pickering, public interest law suits forced the release of the commission's records in 1998. And those records plainly revealed that Pickering had lied under oath
Then impeach the sod and remove him for lying to Congress. Seems an open and shut case.
And MattG -- stop making us laugh by telling us Pickering isn't a bigot because some of his local black community like him. Pickering's public record on these matters is clear, and he's lied about his activities in the past as well, as we've seen. Defending him this way gets disturbingly reminiscent of all those "he seemed like a nice guy to us" interviews with the neighbours of mass murderers.
MattG,
No one wants to debate slanted rhetorical/philosophical questions --can a white anti-aff-action person not be considered racist -- with someone who has already poisoned the well with similar rhetorical hyperbole that has been refuted tenfold times now. It's a little late to call 'new game' and erase the score with a new self-framed question. So get the not-so-subtle hint.
Short answer: yes, but you've demonstrated with your unassailable support of Pickering to not be interested in objective debate, so obviously it doesn't apply to you.
I'm outta here.
...young and brave...
bliekker: And don't forget the jury in the first Rodney King trial who explained her verdict by saying that King had been in control of the situation the whole time.
Silence Dogood: You are very kind. Glad to see another snopester. It is possible I am too stupid to grasp different etiquette.
Matt G - ever asked a non-white person what he or she thinks about your view of affirmative action?
See, I think that it's kind of lame for white people who don't have a clue to claim that affirmative action hurts minorities. What the hell do we know? I never was denied anything in this country because I'm white. However, I will say that I experienced a certain amount of bias against me when I was a young female attorney. No, I'll say I experience quite a bit of bias. Not anything like the experience of racial minorities, mind you. Nor do I think I'm qualified to speak for blacks or latinos. But I'd like to know why you feel you are qualified to.
Why didn't the idiot just drop his drawers and take a shit at King's grave? Same effect but more directly to the point. Hell I thought he was a straight talker and not into nuance.
So, what was the atrocity of MLK 2001?
Inauguration Day
Sumwon - I'm looking for the cutesie pattern for MLK 2001. Yes, I've read Palast, but that was over courtwise in December 2000 and the purging was earlier, i.e. had nothing to do with this dumb game he's playing with the calendar. I'm wondering if there was something specific on THIS WEEKEND 2001.
Tena may have more knowledge of this bit of ConLaw (been too long since law school, and I don't practice anymore), but "recess appointments," IIRC, are only good until Congress re-convenes.
Then, it must be approved.
So, will Dems filibuster yet again? That's the real question. If they do, Pickering won't be around long enough to leave a memory.
Whether he truly is racist or not is, bluntly, irrelevant. Can't be proven here. Guilt by association is rather ugly, so I won't even presume his "sin." But for some, probably good, reasons, he was kept of the bench twice.
Third time is not the charm, it's the time to fight!
T. Kravchenko, Sumwon,
Sorry, my bad. Of course. Inauguration day. He was too busy for 'jokes.' Time to look at the speech...
Tena and Martha, thank you for giving at least reasonable answers instead of the "Not Possible" ones I've gotten in the past.
Martha, the Resident may be immune from Tort claims, but those around him are not, would that be correct?
Also, just curious here, if the Resident is immune, why has he been sued in Civil Court at least twice in the last 2 years, by families of troops in Gulf War II, and by the family of a 9/11 victim? The first case of course went nowhere, I guess we shall see about the second since it's recent. But at any rate, there are Attorneys taking these cases, so there must be some reasoning to do so. Perhaps it's only to raise the issue.
I raise my original question in part because I remember reading an Op-Ed by John Dean (of Nixon fame) saying Plame/Wilson ought to sue in civil court, as that's what started the outing of the Watergate scandal and got it press.
So even if we couldn't directly sue the Resident, there is plenty of malfeasance to go around, and there should be someone that would be good enough to start with and bring out the dirty laundry.
Anywhoo, just keep the thought in the back of your minds for future reference, there may be something to it at some point.
Athenae, LOL I'll drink to that. Will raise a toast to you and humanity in general tonight.
Cheers
Jeffers,
Recess appointments are good until the next Congress re-convenes, i.e. January 2005. At which time, Pickering will have just reached retirement age and can collect a full pension at his new, highest position.
Thanks, random. didn't realize he could "retire" without Congressional approval. Interesting wrinkle.
Question is: will Senate Dems fight this one again? And if they don't....?
Mr. Fed,
I don't remember the jury saying that, but then again I didn't follow the trial that closely. And as I said I didn't think it was such a grand idea to drive around the area. Things were still tense. But I'm glad I did. We were pulled over for no leagal reason (although I'm sure he thought he was doing us a favor), and then the guy basically slurs the people he's supposed to be serving.
"The appointment allows Pickering, 66, to sit on the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals through the end of this year. Then he would be eligible for full retirement benefits because of his age and length of service on the federal bench.
If not confirmed by the Senate before the end of the year, Pickering would probably retire, supporters suggested."
---MSNBC
Robert M Jeffers - I don't practice anymore either, though I will brag a bit and say that I made the 2d highest grade both semesters of Con Law, and missed the AmJur by only 2 points - damn it. Anyway, that point's been noted - Congress will have to pass on Pickering when it reconvenes. Given that the man is a perjurer, why is there even a damned question about his fitness for the federal bench? This is just disgusting.
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle's exciting, inspiring comment on the Pickering appointment:
"That's unfortunate."
"Dear God -
Thou hast forgiven so much. Forgive them not, but curse them -- for they know what they do."
Thanks, tena, I didn't realize in my quick skim that the point had been covered. And didn't know enough about Pickering to realize he had perjured himself. You're right, it is disgusting.
I'm thinking of taking up the consumption of live toads every morning. After that, even Bush's actions won't seem so bad....
Congratulations, by the way, on your law school successes. Me, I hated the whole process, and it showed in my grades. Squeaked out, squeaked away, and finally made an honest living as a piano player in a whorehouse, so my mama wouldn't be ashamed.
Tena & Martha, I haven't heard whether the 9/11 case was dismissed or not, and I'm hoping not. I kind of doubt it at this point, but considering our current state of affairs who can say?
Robert - that was back in the day, my friend. And just about my only big successes - I loved Con Law. I hated just about everything else, too. Except Evidence and Conflicts of Laws. I understand perfectly what you're saying - I was very touch and go, especially that all important first year.
But we've had that conversation I believe.
So, what was the atrocity of MLK 2001?
Inauguration Day
So good it had to be repeated.
VERY OT
But for anyone who wrote Lou Dobbs about his whoring yesterday's Drudge Clark abomination, Lou wrote back:
Joe, you obviously didn't see the report last night...or you would know better than to fall into line with the little virtual herd the campaign assembled. You can do better...our story was our reporting, it's factual, and we simply credited Drudge with reporting an element of the story first. All the best....lou
What. A. Ho.
Got a chance to take jurisprudence; loved that. Only thing I really enjoyed.
Big surprise, huh?
Hearing about Pickering now on NPR: didn't realize this had been going on for two years. Somehow, that makes it even worse.
Matt G: I'm not preaching at you, now, but I think you need to think harder. My family came to Maryland sometime around 1650, and they've never lived further north since. I live in Virginia, but was born and raised in Charleston, South Carolina, where my grandfather moved from Mobile, Alabama, in the Depression. His grandfather fought for Alabama at Shiloh. I can tell you, right now, today, based on my experience of people to whom I am related, that racism is a prime mover in white Southern politics. Not as stridently as it was, once, thanks to government intervention and the arrival of Hispanic and Asian immigrants, but it is there. And the GOP became the party the South by feeding it.
DES MOINES--Governor Dean issued the following statement on President Bush's recess appointment of Charles W. Pickering:
"This is a polarizing move showing the President’s utter disdain for constitutional checks and balances.
"It is especially offensive that the President made this decision on the eve of the Martin Luther King Jr. national holiday, and one day after his photo op at Dr. King's grave."
"Today's egregious appointment is another reason why we need a President and an administration in Washington that stands up for all Americans."
Um guys, Clinton used the recess appointment power to make Roger Gregory the first African-American judge on the 4th Circuit. His appointment was made permanent early in the Bush administration in a deal Bush struck with Dems on the Judiciary Committee.
This ain't the first time.
you should make some "ZZZzzzzz..." t-shirts, featuring some of your greatest wingnut cutoffs.
This is why I am not a millionaire...
Robert - I took Jurisprudence, too, and that was a great course. Wish I knew what had become of my notes from that class.
The way it was taught when I took it was as a philosophy of the law course, and was much more like a standard college course than a law school course. Though graded on the same basis - one final exam - natch. Arrgh. I don't think I'll ever see a blue book again without feeling momentary panic.
I'm not Tena, but...
A new internet abbreviation: IANT?
Um, Adam - read the thread.
Clinton's recess appointment has been noted a couple of times.
I think the main idea here is that Pickering is a very objectionable nominee under any circumstances.
dave - oh please, no. Please. I do not make any claims to any expertise anymore. It's been way too long since I practiced. Please don't do that to me. I feel like a total phony.
After careful consideration and deep prayer, I have come to only one conclusion......Kill All Republicans
Oh I'm sorry... that just kinda slipped out....
Bing - you've been reading my mind.
MattG - I know you will discount my opinion, after all you have accepted all the testimony of the SCLM that has confirmed your personal prejudices. However, you may want to discuss the impact upon Mississippi's African American Citizens from Judge, Marie Wilson, PO Box 1762, Greenville, MS 38702-1762 before you discount the opinions and experience of the majority of women, Native Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans and African Americans.
There is an article in today's St. Petersburg Times about a white high school male putting a noose around the neck of a black high school male in a Wendy's. Just one of those amusing non-racist pranks, I suppose.
big difference between being blocked by one Senator and being voted down by the whole Judiciary Committee too
On the other hand, I am beginning to feel that those of us who are so inclined, should make a determined effort to block The Resident from using the World Trade Center site as a photo-op during the Republican Convention.
It is becoming more apparent to me that perhaps only violent demonstration will make any impact. I know that this is not supposed to be the way that we enlightened folks are expected to act, but how long can one take it in the ass and not fight back.
In the 60’s it was said that violent uprising did not help the cause, but I disagree. It may be that until blood runs in the streets nothing will change. If we allow ourselves to be shunted aside into so called “free speech zones” we are nothing better than sheep. It might be a good thing if we can spark a “Police Riot” as in Chicago 1968. That sure got the Country’s attention. I gave up a good solid year of my young life to a war that was built on lies. It was the massive protests that helped wake up the county to the carnage going on over there. I plan on being in NYC and I plan on going to jail. So does my wife, my son and daughter. Sorry to be way off track here, but it’s been a very bad week.
Bing - It has been a very bad week. I understand how you feel. In fact, I understand it very well.
Our President in action:
PM settles for a lot less than `respect' Passport pledge wilts within weeks
On a lighter note.....I have a friend who can spit and say Republican at the same time. Its really fun to watch.
Bing - I have to wait until after I say it to spit - I'm a no-talent liberal. I'd love to see that.
Tena - I think this particular talent may have something to do with bad dental work.
Bing - LOL
Busy late Friday news day for the Preznit:
1. Preznit giv Pickering Turkee!
and now, with the weekend offically started
2. Preznit giv Halliburton Turkee!
(AP) - Despite a Pentagon probe into alleged overcharging for fuel delivered to Iraq, the Army awarded Vice President Dick Cheney's former company a contract Friday to rebuild Iraq's oil industry. Halliburton won a competitive bid to rebuild the oil industry in southern Iraq, a contract worth up to $1.2 billion over two years, the Army Corps of Engineers said in a statement.
Um, folks, it IS getting worse by the Day...
.
Well like I said before its been a bad week..So I'm going to go out to a little bar on the Delaware River, and listen to Todd Wolfe play REAL LOUD!! He's a fantastic guitarist and a good friend. I highly recommend that you check his site out. www.toddwolfe.com. Have a nice night Tena. bye. In the words of Paul "Maud Dib" "LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS"!!!
Does anyone remember the lawsuit that the NAACP settled with the state of Florida, probably in 2001, over the 2000 election? A guy posted on Michael Totten's site that it was a "lie" that Blacks had been denied their vote in the 2000 election. I've read Palast's book, and seen the documents he used for it, but I wasn't sure that was a good source to back up my argument. I tried to google "NAACP lawsuit" + Florida, etc. but it returned nothing official -- just a couple of lefty websites talking about it. I was out of the country when it happened, so I know little about it. If you know anything about it, mosey over there and inform them. It seems to be one of those threads that will last and last.
This ain't the first time.
Adam
No it's not, but this guy is hated and feared by about 50% of the electorate ...
Bing:
1) I'm seriously considering visiting NYC during the Bush Convention. I need to make arrangements to stay somewhere. Maybe there will be an old fart hostel or something. Aux barricades, and all that, but it seems to me that anger without violence will be more persuasive.
2) New York will not be enough. We have to go to a swing state and get on the ground and do door-to-door get out the vote, campaign stuff.
I was not aware that the woman's case was dismissed. Anyone else know? Tena
Is this the one by the 9/11 widow, filed under the RICO act? (Like I know what that is!) I'm racking my brain where I put that article -- it was just filed last week or so, I thought.
ive heard of trolls claiming to be libertarians--now they are claiming to be democrats. sure, and do you really think lieberman is our best chance?
Streaker - that's the one I was thinking about. Can't guarantee it's the same one BlogReader was referring to.
RICO stands for something like Racketeering Influence and Corrupt Organizations Act. I may have gotten that not quite right. Anyway, it's the federal statute that was originally supposed to fight organized crime, but which is so loosely worded has been used in all kinds of other situations. It's supposed to cover criminal conspiracies, and I'm wondering if I remember that that was one thing the plaintiff was raising against the administration?
sumwon refreshed our memories about what Preznitwit told Mrs. King when presented with a painting of MLK Jr.: "Mrs. King, thanks for this beautiful portrait. I can't wait to hang it." ... followed by laughter in the room by those who obviously understood what Bush was implying. Ohhhhh-KKK!
I was just reading the Donate to the DNC thread over at Kos -- okay, griping in it too. My complaint was that I didn't see enough of a DNC presence running interference on Gillespie's flying monkeys (which include the media) so the candidates themselves can articulate their individual positions.
IMO, the DNC should be out there reminding the media and the public about what racist, extremist wingnuts are actually running BushCo instead of letting the "political hate speech" whine cheerfully spread through mainstream. I mean, when the RNC hate machine is equates Dem opposition to extreme judges to LYNCHING -- disgusting on its own -- I want an equally loud reminder to the world that Preznit Photo-Op's MLK day events have included attacking affirmative action, publicly pissing on the great man's grave and @*$&&#*@ joking about lynching.
Then maybe the coverage would be less about sweaters and RNC-Iago defined notions of "electability" and "anger" more about real Dem values. McAuliffe should be articulating the party's foundation values instead of letting Wacko Ed Gillespie shriek that any criticism of Bush is a hate crime.
(Disclaimer: I donated to Dean, Clark and Kucinich -- bless every one of them -- and wish I'd dug deeper for Mosley-Braun and Sharpton.) I'll siphon some of my vast wealth over to the DNC when I see an unequivocal, unapologetic, party voice counteracting the RNC and its dirty tricks. Gawd that "hate speech" BS pisses me off ... and the Preznit's MLK day crap reminds me that my ANGER IS RIGHTEOUS.
MattG: Is that anything like the good slave master? You know. Well, he didn't beat his slaves. He didn't sell his slaves (maybe). He only slept with one slave woman who was obviously in love with him. He appeared to be kind and friendly. BUT HE DIDN'T FREE HIS SLAVES. Why? They were like not too bright children to him. They needed his "goodwill" and guidance. Doesn't mean he wasn't a rascist. He was the great white father. Did he manage to fool some black people with this facade. Yes. Frankly, I prefer the KKK. I know where they're coming from.
Here are two documents:
ELLEN MARIANI, Individually, Personal Representative of the Estate of LOUIS NEIL MARIANI, deceased
and others similarly situated
Plaintiff, )
vs. )
Case No. 03-5273
GEORGE W. BUSH[2], President
the United States, Officially and )
Individually, [then it lists Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc.] .
Axisoflogic.com. I don't know if this is the same lawsuit -- it's dated December 2003.
http://www.nancho.net/911/mariani.html
http://www.axisoflogic.com/
artma...nter_3932.shtml
Probably some interesting reading there ---
when george dies and tries to enter heaven, i sure do hope that MLKjr is there to kickk his texass to hell.
Well, I don't know how connected they are to the DNC, but I did get this email from the Democratic Senatorial Selection Committee today:
It is an outrage that on the eve of the Dr. Martin Luther King holiday President Bush celebrated by appointing Charles Pickering to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Judge Pickering's history of actions undermine civil rights, voting rights and a woman's right to choose.
* While in law school, Mr. Pickering wrote an article suggesting ways the state of Mississippi could better enforce its ban on inter-racial marriage.
* As a state senator in the 1970's, Mr. Pickering worked to repeal important provisions of the Voter Rights Act.
* In 1994, Pickering went out of his way to seek a more lenient sentence for a convicted cross-burner.
With your help, Democrats in the Senate twice stopped Judge Pickering's nomination. It is clear that we must have a Democratic Senate to stop the future appointments of others willing to turn back the clock on civil rights. Send a message to President Bush and the intolerant and radical Republican right wing that we are not going to stand by while they turn their backs on women and people of color.
Let President Bush know we are not going to stand by while he defies the will of the Senate in an effort to deny millions of Americans the civil rights that Dr. King, Bobby Kennedy and countless Americans died for. Send a message to President Bush that our federal courts do not belong to the intolerant, they do not belong to Halliburton and they do not belong to Tom DeLay, Karl Rove and the rest of the radical right wing Republican machine. They belong to us - and with a Democratic Senate in 2004, Democrats will give the courts back to every American.
Support the DSCC right now to elect more Senate Democrats. We only need two seats for a Democratic majority in the Senate. We must not allow the Bush Administration to railroad the Senate's constitutional role of Advise and Consent at the same time destroying our civil rights. Give Now!
Today Senator Corzine, DSCC Chair said:
"I am disappointed and saddened that President Bush, who campaigned on an agenda of compassion, would defy the will of the Senate and the civil rights community and appoint Judge Pickering to the court of appeals despite compelling evidence of his hostility towards civil rights, voting rights and the right to choose," said Corzine. "It is unconscionable that President Bush would lay a wreath on the tomb of Martin Luther King, Jr. yesterday and today turn around and appoint a person to the federal bench whose very nomination opened old wounds and divided our nation along racial lines. This Administration has once again proven its utter disregard for people who care about civil rights and the equality of all Americans and demonstrated why the 2004 elections, and Democratic victories up and down the ballot, are so important to the future of our nation."
MattG: I guess we need your good will and guidance. Have you ever read the book "Lynching In America"? Read it. Then tell me there's (Clarence Thomas) no racism in America. Oh wait, didn't Thomas refer to the objections to his appointment as a "high-tech lynching"? Playing the race card? No, he's a conservative Republican. IOKIYAR.
This is such a classic Bushco-Rovian political photo-op play. It appears that almost anytime Shrub ventures out into the "real world" into a non- fundraising venue or event in order to convey to the masses Shrub's alleged support and committment to a particular area, within a week he usually does something that directly contradicts his photo-op message, Usually it lacks all the fanfare and media coverage.
This can be said of him going to schools-then cutting funding, going to visit the troops- announces cuts in veterans health benefits. He has done it so many times and in so many different policy areas, it should be expected. I think from now on any of these scripted PR Shrub visits should rightfully be called what they truly mean..."The Kiss of Death".
are you that intolerant of a dissenting opinion?
MattG, you seem to be under the same mistaken impression that I once was: that anyone here wants to discuss or debate, or that there can be genial disagreement on some issues and strategic alliances on others.
This is a place of worship: Atrios provides the sermons, and the comments allow the congregants to shout their hosannas. You may as well try to chat metaphysics with a member of the 700 Club as try to budge any of the regs off their antique soapboxes. They choose not to see what upsets their views, and thus any criticism makes you a fascist, a bigot, etc. This is the kind of place where, after citing Nat Hentoff's writings in the Village Voice and a report in the New York Times, one can be "rebutted" with a forwarded email from the "Democratic Senatorial Selection Committee", whatever that is. There's too much venom and willful blindness in this thread to respond to, so I'll just leave you with some of the more lovely and well-reasoned sentiments offered by our hosts, the regs:
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Just ignore the moronic brownshirt fuck
You're white, aren't you?
Just had to get give the cryptobigot a link.
Three strikes and you're out, crypto-bigot brownshirt fuck. Back to the circle jerk. Best to Unka Karl!
disturbingly reminiscent of all those "he seemed like a nice guy to us" interviews with the neighbours of mass murderers.
I think that it's kind of lame for white people who don't have a clue to claim that affirmative action hurts minorities. What the hell do we know? ... Nor do I think I'm qualified to speak for blacks or latinos. But I'd like to know why you feel you are qualified to.
It may be that until blood runs in the streets nothing will change... It might be a good thing if we can spark a “Police Riot” as in Chicago 1968...
P.S. Please keep your police riot away from my part of Brooklyn. We've been getting along just fine here.
Hallelujah!
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Um guys, Clinton used the recess appointment power to make Roger Gregory the first African-American judge on the 4th Circuit.
Let's see...
Using a recess appointment to enhance diversity of the federal court system.
Using a recess appointment to install a bigot who the senate had already decided (through their own funny rules) they don't want.
Yeah, I can see how those are similar.
When I want my laughs from liberal radio, I just listen to NPR's "Morning Sedition" and "All Things Distorted."
I'm having a big sack o' burgers to celebrate MLK Day.
I'm having a big sack o' burgers to celebrate MLK Day -- 'cause I'm a fat, ignorant fuck.
help me out here: am i a sack of partisan shit, or a partisan sack of shit?
help me out here: am i a sack of partisan shit, or a partisan sack of shit?
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Yes, folks, remember - if a radio show is not full of far right demagoguery, it's automatically "liberal radio". There's no such thing as moderate or non-partisan. I know, because Rush told me.
Megadittos y'all.
Was he actually rejected? How many times can that happen? I thought once and you were out. And if you're rejected how is it legal to use a recess appointment? I've gotta be missing something here...
Pickering, that is.....
shawn kenawe-- help me out here: I can't find your homepage.
Was he actually rejected? How many times can that happen? I thought once and you were out. And if you're rejected how is it legal to use a recess appointment? I've gotta be missing something here...
Goober-mince pie
MAybe you should ask clinton, fuckhead.
dave: Well, I don't know how connected they are to the DNC, but I did get this email from the Democratic Senatorial Selection Committee ...
Thanks for posting it. I'd like to see strong statements like Corzine's getting into mainstream media daily to offset the daily Repug crap, and think the DNC should be doing more to see that it happens. (Haven't watched any TV tonight to see if any of the Dem/MLK message seeped through.)
Wow. Nice scathing quote from Corzine. If the ex-chairman of Goldman Sachs thinks this way about Bush, it will give you something of an idea of just how far to the right of the mainstream Bush is.
Note to Al Sharpton:
These are the stakes. Are you really willing to have Bush appoint more judges like this simply because a state that's 98% white doesn't have a token black cabinet member?
"This Administration has once again proven its utter disregard for people who care about civil rights and the equality of all Americans and demonstrated why the 2004 elections, and Democratic victories up and down the ballot, are so important to the future of our nation."
I think Bush's State of the Union address is going to backfire if he doesn't address the non-existent WMD issue. Which he won't because he's a lying sack of shit.
Sorry to be OT, but check this out from the LA Times.
http://www.latimes.com/
Cheney Hunting Trip With Scalia Raises Impartiality Questions
By David G. Savage, Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia spent part of last week duck hunting together at a private camp in south Louisiana, just three weeks after the high court agreed to take up the vice president's appeal involving lawsuits over his handling of the administration's energy task force.
While Scalia and Cheney are avid hunters and long-time friends, several experts in legal ethics questioned the timing of their trip.
"The better part of wisdom should have led Justice Scalia to avoid the vice president while this case was pending before the court," said New York University law professor Stephen Gillers.
Federal law says "any justice or judge shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might be questioned."
For nearly three years, Cheney has been fighting demands that he reveal whether he met with energy industry officials, including then-Enron Chairman Kenneth Lay, when he was formulating the president's energy policy.
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It's their fucking country, and we just live in it. Cheney behaves like some feudal lord under the protection of his sovereign. They do what they want. Who's going to stop these seditious bastards?
Who's going to stop these seditious bastards?
You and me and millions of other motherfuckers with pitchforks and torches.
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The trolls are extra lame tonight.
happy milk to you.
Remember how Bush celebrated the anniversary of Matthew Shepherd's death?
http://shock-awe.info/archive/000927.php
October 12-18 was "Marriage Protection Week" otherwise known as "National Discriminate Against Gay Couples Week".
Matthew Shepherd died October 12, 1998.
Bush does these things on purpose... or more likely Rove has Bush do these things on purpose.
This can be said of him going to schools-then cutting funding, going to visit the troops- announces cuts in veterans health benefits. He has done it so many times and in so many different policy areas, it should be expected. I think from now on any of these scripted PR Shrub visits should rightfully be called what they truly mean..."The Kiss of Death".
emal | Email | Homepage | 01.16.04 - 9:58 pm
Yes, it's the Hallmark Horror Theater and Kodachrome Moment of Doom! When they bring in the background message banners, consider yourself zotzed.
I didn't see any big deal with Bush laying a wreath on MLK's grave. It was the right thing to do, even if his motives are suspect. However, we aren't really sure of his motives, so I'll give him the benefit of a doubt. At least for now.
Ah yes, the argument over Dean's cabinet appointments. A co-worker agreed with me that Sharpton was full of shit. He didn't see any discrimination. He understood that Vermont is lily white. My friends, that co-worker is black.
Whoa... you mean he just installed him using an executive fiat? Hooray for circumvention of balance of powers! Really, I thought the executive branch was supposed to be kept away from assigning judges. This is blatant abuse of executive power. The timing is quite interesting too, oh yes. Pickering will be in for at least a year. Enough time to do some serious damage.
LET'S ALL CROSS OUR FINGERS AND HOPE THAT MAXIMUM LEADER'S NUMBER IS UP.
Rumors of Castro's death sweep Miami-Dade -- again
Herald Staff Reports
Uncorroborated rumors that Cuban President Fidel Castro had died or suffered a stroke buzzed around Miami-Dade County on Friday, with anxious callers inundating police departments, media outlets and exile groups.
Jay Currie:
When that wall is done Israel will have the capacity to close its gates and leave the Palestinians to seethe in their own juices. Moderate Palestinians know this. And they know that their economic future is utterly bleak if Israel decides enough is enough and closes access.
At least we can hope moderate Palestinians know this, but it's tough to know anything about them because they live in fear of their "government" and receive zero help from our media in getting out an alternate message. The moderate Palestinian view is certainly not a staple of evening news. Hardly surprising I guess when the only kind of "peace" activists that get airtime are those who throw rocks at police.
As psychotic as religion is able to make people act, I have to think that a terrorist group is beyond eating the seed corn when their only weapon available is young mothers as suicide bombers.
The best thing that could happen for world peace in 2004 is a civil war among Palestinian terrorist groups. Maybe between the wall and Arafat running out of money it will finally happen.
too many posts to check to see if this was mentioned before, but don't forget Rove throws combinations: last year Bush faked the left with a repudiation of Lott and came back with a right cross to the so-called ``quotas'' at Michigan; this year the fake left jab was the immigrant amnesty followed by the right hook to civil rights with Pickering.
Anonymous basically makes the same argument that leftist critics of Israel have been making for years, that the Israeli government's underlying motive is to drive the Palestinians into desperation and violence. It's really funny to see a freeper troll agree with Norman G. Finkelstein.
After reading these comments, I'm absolutely convinced Pickering loves cross burners. Hell, he probably lit the match himself. I mean, sure, actual blacks in the actual state of Mississippi like him, but they really don't count. What counts are the opinions of important senators from Vermont and South Dakota, two states well-known for their difficult race relations. Oh, and the ex-governor of Vermont too. He of all people needs to have his voice aired on this important situation. If KKK members like Pickering aren't kept down on the farm kissing their sisters where they belong, then after Bush has declared martial law and voided the constitution, women who have abortions will be burnt right along with those crosses. What we need is to enhance diversity of skin color on the federal bench, not diversity of thought, because after all, counting skin colors is job #1 for every right-thinking liberal.
DEAR SWR: snore
MLK and Pickering,
Homer, just fuck off.
The moderate Palestinian view is certainly not a staple of evening news. Hardly surprising I guess when the only kind of "peace" activists that get airtime are those who throw rocks at police.
That's is directly because of whores like you and your ZioNazis at LGF et al.
As psychotic as religion is able to make people act, I have to think that a terrorist group is beyond eating the seed corn when their only weapon available is young mothers as suicide bombers.
Maybe if we sold them some of the same Apaches we sell the Israelis ... nah ... probably a bad idea.
The best thing that could happen for world peace in 2004 is a civil war among Palestinian terrorist groups. Maybe between the wall and Arafat running out of money it will finally happen
Yes, let's rejoice when the sand niggers start killing each other!!! Good times!!!! It isn't as if there won't be any Israeli deaths, and that's what's really important.
GOP: Neither rain nor snow nor geography will stop us from continually fucking people who don't look like us!
sorry, hit [enter] prematurely
meant to say:
daaaa-uuummmmm
two hundred and thirty comments?
then I forgot the rest, sorry several Irish coffees
Once again, anonymous comes right and and admits that the wall isn't designed to reduce violence among the Palestinians, but to increase it.
BTW, if we don't see "moderate Palestinians" in the American media, we also don't get to see liberal Israelis. There are arguments that Israeli liberals make that would immediately be branded as anti-semitic in the US. If Howard Dean hired David Grossman as a speach writer, he'd be as hated on the American right as Rachel Corrie is now.
After reading these comments, I'm absolutely convinced Pickering loves cross burners. Hell, he probably lit the match himself. I mean, sure, actual blacks in the actual state of Mississippi like him, but they really don't count.
He may not have lit the crosses, but he certainly tried to get a lesser punishment for the drunk good ol boy:
Judge's Fate Could Turn On 1994 Case
Pickering Fought to Reduce Sentence for Cross-Burning
By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 27, 2003; Page A01
SWR: The coverage of I/P sucks balls in the US. Nowhere, not even Israel itself, presents such a ridiculously one-sided story. Our fucking media has eliminated the moderate Palestinian or the liberal Israeli. LGF is rife with folk who revel in labelling others "self-hating Jew."
Once again, anonymous comes right and and admits that the wall isn't designed to reduce violence among the Palestinians, but to increase it.
... the overall lack of shame is what gets me every time. I mean, if I were to advocate mass murder, I'd try and be subtle about it ... and at least TRY and look or feel embarrassed.
It's funny that one Freeper troll tries to deny that racism exists than 100 posts down another one wants to cage an entire people up so they'll fight one another like rats in a box.
Sounds like racism to me.
But getting back on topic. I know that Nat Hentoff defended Pickering n his column. I'm not quite sure if he's losing it or if he has an actual point. But why would somebody like Jon Corzine (the ex chairman of Goldmand Sachs, for God's sake) come out so directly and forcefully against Pickering if there weren't something amiss in his background. Corzine's not a radical guy and those are pretty strong words he's using.
"... the overall lack of shame is what gets me every time. I mean, if I were to advocate mass murder, I'd try and be subtle about it ... and at least TRY and look or feel embarrassed"
... the overall lack of shame is what gets me every time. I mean, if I were to advocate mass murder, I'd try and be subtle about it ... and at least TRY and look or feel embarrassed.
Repeat after me: "There's nothing to be ashamed of, except shame itself."
hey, nads and swr: shouldn't you two be polishing your marble busts of goebbels?
hey, Anonymous, shouldn't you be thinking up a nickname?
Anonymous is too busy polishing Bush's knob.
my nickname is atrios. get it? and fuck you, you brainless zero.
admit it nads and swr: you hate jews, don't you?
you claim corzine isn't a lefty, you moron? get fucking real. you're either stupid or a liar. most likely both.
Eh. Nevermind. Sorry I interrupted the pat-yourself-on-the-back competition.
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Yeah ... not wanting more Jews or Palestinians to die means I'm Hitler and I hate Jews. Daring to equate dead Jew with Dead Arab somehow diminishes the value of the Jew. That's pretty insecure ... but then, you're a pussy.
Fuckin Vibrator over-Halo-scanned the thread!!!! Fuckin anonymous' Vibrator!!!
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Eloquence is wasted on arguments for misery and slaughter.
We all hate bigots. Especially bigots who are too stupid to know that they're bigots.
LET'S ALL CROSS OUR FINGERS AND HOPE THAT MAXIMUM LEADER'S NUMBER IS UP.
"Rumors of Castro's death sweep Miami-Dade -- again
Uncorroborated rumors that Cuban President Fidel Castro had died or suffered a stroke buzzed around Miami-Dade County on Friday, with anxious callers inundating police departments, media outlets and exile groups.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 01.16.04 - 11:16 pm | # "
I don't think it's officially an uncorroborated rumor until Drudge reports it as fact.
Some evidence on racism in the U.S. from my own experience (as I come from elsewhere, the oddest people tell me their private opinions to 'educate' me?): Late 1980s: A college chairman (not in the South) told me that he didn't mind 'hiring one woman' (=me), but that he'd 'hire blacks over his dead body'. Late 1990s: A student I supervised for his graduate work moved to the South. He shared a house there with four 'good-ole boys'. On his return visit, he told me, pretty shocked, that his housemates' spare time was spent on talking down any blacks on tv, telling stories about the presumed bestiality and stupidity of blacks and in general blaming blacks for everything that was wrong in their lives.
Given that most people know better than reveal their biases, these examples suggest that racism is well and alive. I could give other examples from places such as New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
Cheney Hunting Trip With Scalia Raises Impartiality Questions
Questions of impartiality?
As if Scalia's participation in the unprecedented rape of democracy didn't give us all the answers we needed about his "impartiality"?
(And even if they didn't go hunting together, it's not like they don't have telephones... They would conspire against our interests whether they did it in Louisiana or DC.)
Once again, Anonymous demonstrates just how far out and extremist a lot of Bush supporters are.
He claims Corzine is a "lefty." Corizine's the ex chairman of Goldman Sachs.
If you can define the ex chairman of Goldman Sachs as a lefty, it's frightening to think about how you define a conservative.
"you claim corzine isn't a lefty, you moron? get fucking real. you're either stupid or a liar. most likely both."
Don't you automatically lose on argument on the web if you call your opponent a Nazi?
"hey, nads and swr: shouldn't you two be polishing your marble busts of goebbels?"
Don't you automatically lose on argument on the web if you call your opponent a Nazi?
Godwin's law is suspended, pending the removal of fascist elements from the US government.
Awright gawdamit. NOBODY but NOBODY gets to post more than three Zs but Dave. This is getting out of control!
Atrios. ya gotta lay down tha' LAW!
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If I'm not willing to give in to race-baiting from the left (Howard Dean is a racist because he doesn't have a token black in his cabinet), I'm not going to give into race baiting from the right (I'm an anti-semite because I'm against the Likud party).
Once again, you see exactly how degraded the Republicans are. Anonymous is acting like Al Sharpton at his worst.
"Yeah ... not wanting more Jews or Palestinians to die means I'm Hitler and I hate Jews."
Trent Lott in 2000:
"[A]ny appointment of a Federal judge during a recess should be opposed, regardless of who they are or whether it is Republican or Democrat. I commit myself now to remember that when there is a Republican administration, as well as a Democratic administration."
Trent Lott today:
"While temporary recess appointments certainly are not a preferred means of getting quality judges on the bench, in this exceptional case, Judge Pickering's record deems this recess appointment fully appropriate."
Trent Lott?
A hypocrite?
Say it ain't so!
Seraphiel.
IOKIYAERW
Extreme Right Winger
Trent Lott in 2000:
"[A]ny appointment of a Federal judge during a recess should be opposed, regardless of who they are or whether it is Republican or Democrat. I commit myself now to remember that when there is a Republican administration, as well as a Democratic administration."
Trent Lott today:
"While temporary recess appointments certainly are not a preferred means of getting quality judges on the bench, in this exceptional case, Judge Pickering's record deems this recess appointment fully appropriate."
Yes well, as a first-time poster here tonight, I have to say the board, if you all are the regulars, is a little bit of a disappointment.
As a libertarian, I sort of have to choose between posting on Free Republic or on a left-leaning site like DU. The discussions at DU are pretty civil, and I think I'll go back there next time rather than make a reappearance here. The unprovoked obscenities, name-calling and childish non-posts preclude any serious discussion. There don't seem to be any posting rules or even norms of behavior.
For writing that I did not think Judge Pickering is a racist and that I'm against affirmative action, I'm called a "moronic brownshirt fuck" etc., and that doesn't bother any of the regulars on this list enough to post in my defense.
The earlier poster is right: you all seem terrified of dissenting opinion, and want only to hear your own opinions spoken back to you. This isn't a place of discussion and debate, it's an echo chamber.
Good night -- you won't be bothered with my posts in the future.
Anonymous: You have a great tradition to uphold when you sign with that famous nom-de-plume.
Please try to remember that there is a difference between a comment and a premature ejaculation.
It is hard to think of Pickering being on the same court that John Minor Wisdom once sat on.
Got to feel sorry for poor MattG.
He starts out accusing Atrios of
"demagoguing" and then complains of
his hostile reception.
OTOH, Mr. Fed is probably potentially
friendly. In the case of the freeping
of the freepers of Madame Cho, he
pointed out that ratting out Cho's
freepers to their employer was
arguably illiberal. I'm not at all
sure he was wrong. It does seem a
breach of netiquette - some of our
folks have been tripped up by using
the wrong network for airing their
political views.
What I really want to know is how anybody else reads this thread. Just scrolling back and forth? Shrinking it? For my aging eyes, at 1280x1024 on a 17" monitor the type is already a bit small.
MattG.
Anonymous is talking about an American ally designing a civil war between factions of an impoverished refugee population.
He calls me Nazi for objecting to it.
He also refers to Jon Corzine as a "lefty."
Yet I seem to be able to defend myself without crying about the lack of civility.
You, on the other hand, need some kind of intervention from the moderator and from everybody else when somebody flames you.
That doesn't sound very libertarian to me.
Poor MattG,
Nobody gave him a lollipop.
(sigh)
Good for Tbogg... photo-op opportunism, which is of course what the protestors in Atlanta saw and knew... As my poli-sci prof asked in the mid-80s ... "why aren't you people out marching in the streets?"
I love the conflicting quotes from Trent Lott on recess appointments (i.e. they should always be opposed, but now it's a judicious use of presidential power).
What y'all don't realize is that the real fight is about these appellate court judges for a reason. [Pickering was already a federal district court judge]. The supremem Court gets roughly 8300 appeals per year. They heard 84 cases last year and issues rulings in 78. They basically hear 1% of appeals. So the Federal Courts of Appeal are VERY OFTEN the last word, as in the recent decision not to reverse the Texas Republican Party Gerymander to pick up 6 U.S. House Seats. Now we're stuck with a Republican-controlled House for sure in 2005.
Dear goddess, when will this end?
Ever get the feeling it's not going to end, but drag on for 70 years, like the USSR?
Well, January 20 is the third anniversary of GW's inaugural address. So, you've got five more years.
That must be a sobering fact for you libruls...
how many of these recess appointments have ever been made?
Oh, about 300 or so. Five by Washington himself. Even Clinton made a recess appointment, on Dec 27th 2000 as a lame duck no less.
Personally I'm struck by the "it must be illegal!" meme that flows around this. Does it stem from desperate hope, or just simple ignorance?
Waaahhh! Mommy, George hit me ... back!
Puh-leeze. If there were anything wrong, let alone impeachable, about recess appointments, why did Clinton serve out both terms? Bill Lann Lee is one of the better known examples. Also, I hear he also bypassed the Senate confirmation proceedings when he offered Monica Lewinsky a position on his staff.
I am of the understanding that every president, since King's death, with the singular exception of Reagan, have laid a wreath at his graveside.
Why then, do so many of the reports I have read, phrase it that: "every President since Ronald Reagan"† has done so???
This phrasing gives the reader the false impression that Reagan was the first to do this, not the single exception who did not. This is sloppy journalism at best, obscuring the meaning in vague phrasing. At worst, it is an indication that Reagan worship and whitewashing continue unabated by truth. Who asked you to spin it that way?
†Duckspeak courtesy of: Bush's MLK visit sparks outcry, by Jeffrey Gettleman and Ariel Hart, of the New York Times: Published Jan. 16, 2004, Orlando Sentinel, p. A12
Contrast that "spin" phraseology to the straight facts from King Center spokesman, Robert Vickers presented to the press.
Bush's King visit scorned
President's self-invitation a problem, organizers say
By CHARLES YOO
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
http://www.ajc.com/metro/
content...14kingbush.html
A spokesman for the King Center, Robert Vickers, said Bush called the center to say he would be in Atlanta and wanted to lay a wreath.
"Every president has laid a wreath, outside of Ronald Reagan," Vickers said. "So it wasn't a formal invitation by the King Center, just like none of the other ones are."
Bush visit creates problems for Atlanta MLK events
The Associated Press - ATLANTA
http://www.accessnorthga.com/new...ry.asp?
ID=29096
Robert Vickers of the King Center said Bush called to say he would be in Atlanta and wanted to lay a wreath.
Every president has laid a wreath, outside of Ronald Reagan, Vickers said. So it wasnt a formal invitation by the King Center, just like none of the other ones are.
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