I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Church is for the little people, boy. God speaks to me directly, so I don't need to go to church.
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Church is for the little people, boy. God speaks to me directly, so I don't need to go to church.
That's what you think, boy.
Nope. He doesn't know anything about the Good Book, either.
What a fine Christian man!
Bush does't need to attend church because he has a direct line to God. He is God's annointed one, always in tune with His wishes. Every moment of every day serving Him.
chill, boys!
The real question is: How much of a traitor is Howard Dean for not saying he receives messages from God and for acknowledging that he doesn't go to church often? Republicans, as we know, cannot be traitors and therefore such questions cannot be relevant to them.
(I also wonder if Bush has ever read the New Testament. Some of that "turn the other cheek" stuff or perhaps the Sermon on the Mount might cause him to question some of his public policy.)
Maybe one of those crack journalists in the Washington press corps could ask him whether he goes to church or not. Maybe another could ask him whether he served his last 15 months in the National Guard. Maybe another could ask him who on his staff outed Valerie Plame as a CIA agent.
Yeah.
Imagine that.
Bush is about as "true Christian" as my turds are.
The fact that he doesn't see fit to meet with other worshipping people who profess Christian faith, seems to underscore that fact.
He doesn't go to church because he's too hung over, the lying drunk. I'd like a taste of that 86-proof, single-malt pretzel he "choked on".
Bush lives in the House of God, remember
God's personal representative on earth doesn't need to go to church. He is the Church.
Fuck the lying, whore media.
Anyone who listens to them and believes what they say is SOOO Twentieth Century.
Agreed. No church. Ashcroft speaks in tongues and annoints him everyday.
Maybe one of those crack journalists in the Washington press corps could ask him whether he goes to church or not.
More likely: did'ya want those ribs with a side order of fries?
The ranch in Crawford is named "Prairie Chapel" and I believe that is where he attends.
Maybe he is afraid that the church ceiling will fall down on his mass murdering ass.
Hey, you try and sit through all that crap every fucking week with a monster hangover splitting your skull wide open...
Feh - it's hell sitting in church when you're hung over.
'Nuff said.
Don't forget: Religion is the opium of the masses, but the cocaine of the upper classes.
Beat ya to it, Tena!
Nope. At least, not according to the Book of Google.
"Maybe one of those crack journalists in the Washington press corps could ask him whether he goes to church or not. Maybe another could ask him whether he served his last 15 months in the National Guard. Maybe another could ask him who on his staff outed Valerie Plame as a CIA agent."
Shit, dude, if they did that -- I'D be in church every week. Believing the shit, too.
But according to USA Today, he attends "semi-regular basis".
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nat...bush-
pledge.htm
Bush, who attends church on a semi-regular basis and whose political base is rooted deeply the Christian conservative movement, said God "is obviously a very important part of my life" and of life in America.
If he does go to church, he apparently doesn't listen to what the Methodist Church is preaching.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/
0,12239,815693,00.html
Doesn't have to: Once Saved, Always Saved.
dave - pure luck - both our posts are timed at 4:04. You just have a faster move for that "Ok" button.
Trick question...Bush IS God.
Famous crack about Reagan:
"He would not support establishing a state religion because that would mean he woould have to go to church every Sunday."
W's so-called "religiosity" is just another hustle. When your spiritual advisors consist of the likes of Robertson, Falwell and Graham, what else could it be? These mountebanks have been picking the pockets of the rubes all their lives. If this is religion, I'm sure it's something that Christ would be unfamiliar with.
The mere existence of George Bush proves there is no God!!
Or if there is a God he/she has one perverted sense of humor.
Why do people confuse church goer with religious? Like confusing modern romance with classic literature.
Whatever christian cult, and yes they are all cultish offspring of the Catholic ( or eastern Orthodox) church, he belongs too hasn't been religious for decades.
Just because Falwell and Robertson appear on TV as pundits, doesn't mean they are either sane or relevant.
Or if there is a God he/she has one perverted sense of humor.
Vinnie
God is a crazy woman, that is why everything is so fucked up.
“But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.”—President G. W. Bush
"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is."—President G. W. Bush
"No president has done more for human rights than I have."—President G. W. Bush
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” –Matthew 7:15
Have a look at what Drudge has up now. Since the media seem to get "story" ideas from him lately perhaps this is what it takes to get the AWOL issue out into the open. This attempted hit on Kerry may turn out to be a critical incident of Right-Wing friendly fire.
Dave and Tena, Andrew Smith at 3:54 beat you both by 10 minutes. Sorry.
Obviously he goes to church about as much as he attended to his duties in the National Guard.
Another Bruce - Yeah, I saw that - and I was so disappointed.
I really did want to be first with that comment. *sigh*
...pure luck - both our posts are timed at 4:04.
Two great minds and but a single thought!
Andrew Smith at 3:54 beat you both by 10 minutes.
D'oh!!!
Wow, we posted at the same time again... now I'm scared...
I have never believed his "faith" is sincere. It is just a way to "identify" with the religious right. He certainly doesn't act like a Christian. If he did, he'd worry how to help the poor and less fortunate first and himself last. The only "worrying" he's doing for the poor and less fortunate is how he can take more money from them and give it to his rich cronies.
All sarcasm aside, this is a very good point that you make, certainly one that I have often thought about. It seems as though those presidents who are often thought of as being "good Christians" don't bother to attend services on a regular basis. I always have to compare and contrast that fact with Clinton's behavior...while he was in office, one could always count on the fact that traffic would be backed-up along 16th Street on Sunday mornings, because the Clintons were attending services at their regular church...
In the recent Newsweek interview (dead tree edition), Fineman asked Howard Dean if he believed Jesus was the son of God.
So the Gospel According to Fineman is that you can be a Christian even if you ignore the beatitudes, the anti-Pharisaism, the anti-materialism, really everything Jesus stood for. But if you don't believe a bunch of stuff that Jesus never said and was only made up by his followers after he died, you're not a real Christian.
I dont know about Bush,but I go to church everyday to thank god that he made me an atheist.
Bush doesn't have to do anything Bush doesn't want to do.
And to the rest of America, it's "Do as I say, not as I do."
People need to stop making excuses for this irresponsible, incompetent failure. Many don't realize they have more character in their little fingers than Bush has in his whole body.
They wouldn't let Bush go to church unless they could write the sermons.
People need to stop making excuses for this irresponsible, incompetent failure
Don't forget Miserable Failure
Don't forget Miserable Failure.
Miserable failure. Our president.
*shakes head sadly*
There are certainly times when I sincerely hope that there is the kind of heaven that fundie christians believe in, because it is obvious that all these christians in name only will have a rude fucking awakening if it is true.
It's like the damned Plano,Tx, Episcopalians, who've splintered off from the rest of the church because they just can't deal with the idea of a gay bishop. I hope so much that their belief in that kind of heaven makes it so for them after they die, because they are not going to be ready for the shit they are going to face, before they all end up in hell, in shit up to their eyebrows.
All these pious jackasses who use christianity as leverage to gain power - can they really believe that Jesus Christ is going to pat them on the back and say "good job," after they've spent their lives subverting the real message in the New Testament?
I just so wish that Bush and Pat Robertson and the anti-gay rights crowd and all the rest of the hypocrites would get what they claim they deserve. I'd love it if they got some face time with God and his "only begotten son."
Tena, I'm hoping that in the afterlife, events will be like an episode from southpark, where they approach St. Peter at the pearly gates, and he asks the dead people what religion they followed. They say, baptist, catholic... whatever. And St. Peter replies "No, I'm sorry, the correct answer was... Mormon."
And sends them all promptly to hell.
Disclaimer, no I'm not a mormon, but it's still funny as hell.
he probably can't find a church of jeebus in DC.
The mere existence of George Bush proves there is no God!!
Vinnie
Works for me, vinnie!
Tena-
Those breakaway Episcopalians are all funded by Ahmanson and Scaife. I have always wondered why these guys didn't just become Baptists or something, is it just because they want to still say "Thanks be to God" after the scripture readings? Then I read an article (believe it was in the WaPo or the Guardian) that the goal is to rid the mainline protestant churches of all traces of the liberalism that has been their trademark for the last 200 years or so. The article said that the United Methodists are being targeted along with the Episcopalians (of which I am a proud member)
four legs good - It is funny. One of my favorite New Yorker cartoons has a middle aged guy wearing a barbecue apron, with a mitt on one hand still holding the long barbecue fork and a beer in the other, standing before the pearly gates. The gatekeeper is a pig with a halo, and he's saying to the guy: "Go ahead, finish your beer."
We just don't know, do we?
Tena, many of those fundie preachers/congressmen are just the latest version of snake-oil salesmen. Yep, real con men.
Hell awaits them.
Warren Terra - I actually didn't know that the Plano Episcopalians were being backed like that, but I guess it shouldn't surprise me.
I grew up Episcopalian, and even after I stopped being one I had pretty good feelings about the Episcopal Church. I was just saying the other night (ok, I was actually screaming at the TV,) that the splinter group should just go join the Southern Baptist Convention, since they apparently have so much in common.
I figure an afterworld that can produce a ghost of my late cat (sorry, long story) can't be ANYTHING like what they believe.
I'm sure it's going to be quite a shock.
I'm hoping they're reincarted as those bugs that monkeys pick off each other and crunch between their teeth. (sorry for the visual guys)
Tena, you gotta quit watching that shit on TV. It's not good for your health and we need you for the revolution. 
sorry, that was 'reincarnated', but now that I think about in reincarted off somewhere' would work as well.
Well I keep trying to remind my husband to change the channel to the Daily Show at 10 pm. He's started doing that more often without my asking - I think he must agree with you, four legs good, at least on the yelling at the TV not being a good thing.
According to this article, as of July 2002 he and Laura had not chosen a particular church to attend regularly.
But remember, in the Bush-ish evangelical universe, Sunday worship in church is nowhere near as important as Wednesday Bible Study and the Tuesday Prayer Breakfast, and it's all trumped by My Personal Relationship With Jesus in My Heart, Praise the Lord!
Yes, I have been less and less inclined to believe in hell as I have gotten older, and yet the desire to see some of these self-righteous fucks get what they deserve is making me wish for it again. As a professional singer I used to wonder why Verdi, who never set foot in church, wrote such an intensely terrifying "Dies Irae" (Day of Wrath) section in his Requiem, and then I thought about the situations that he highlighted in many of his operas, where evil is rewarded and good is crushed, and it made a lot more sense. I wonder if Dick Cheney can sing?
Warren Terra
Franz Worfel (sp) in Star of the unborn said " What you are is both reward and punishment for what you are".
He's started doing that more often without my asking...
Tena, you're making wonderful progress! Did you see McCain the other night? Heehee.
pie - we missed that one, and I've been kicking ever since. Maybe it'll come up in a rerun, since they do reruns, and I'll be able to catch it.
Actually, as to progress, pie, I can't claim it was me. In truth, George Bush has done it for me. My husband may not be a Democrat yet, but he is ever so much closer, and I can guarantee that he won't be voting for George. He's totally fed up.
Warren Terra sez: "I used to wonder why Verdi, who never set foot in church, wrote such an intensely terrifying "Dies Irae" (Day of Wrath) section in his Requiem"
Best. Requiem. Ever.
Oh, maybe Mozart's is better. But Verdi's is a hell of a lot more fun.
All these breakaway sects make my head spin. I mean, "Catholic" actually means "universal", so up until Luther in, um the sixteenth hundred 17eroos, there was just Big Daddy the Pope. Now it's Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopaliens, Pressedshirtitarians, Shaker, Quakers, Candlestickbakers.....
The funny thing is that the people in the pews (where'd THAT word come from?) don't really follow the teachings of their churches. I went to a fundie church growing up, and the bitterness of the gossip was the kind of thing that could lead to a church split.....oh.
The hilarious thing is that the people in the pews ain't got a foogy notion of what they even claim to believe. Infant damnation, anyone? Transubstantiation? Immaculate Conception? Polygamy? (Since somebody mentioned Mormonism.....)
Is there anyone out there, anyone, who has ever asked, "What would Jesus do?" in good faith, so to speak? I mean do they do that with the intention of doing what Jesus would do, or do they just want to look good to their neighbors?
I ask, in part, because I don't think Jesus would even consider bombing the fleas off of somebody's camel. BUt what do I know? I used to go to a fundie church. God, I could talk a good game....
Hey! Bartender!
Yes, the Verdi is my favorite too. Recently I saw a TV program about how the artists and musicians at the Terezin concentration camp performed the piece on a number of occasions for their Nazi captors, the irony apparently sailing over their heads. I also love the War Requiem of Britten, a requiem mass interspersed with anti-war poems of Wilfred Owen. Very powerful.
My favorite line:
The scribes on all the people shove
And brawl allegiance to the state,
But they who love the greater love
Lay down their life; they do not hate.
I can guarantee that he won't be voting for George. He's totally fed up.
Bush has that effect on sentient people.
Hudson - you left out one of my personal favorites in the actual church tenet list - Calvin's wonderful and wacky "predestination." I mean, how insane is a doctrine that says that souls are predestined to be saved or not, but that still doesn't mean you get to go around being bad on the off chance you are already saved. Huh? Try asking a Presbyterian if they really believe that.
Have you guys ever heard any of Aarvo Part's sacred music? He has written a mass and several other pieces. Part is a Finn, and I find his work otherwordly and absolutely gorgeous.
Thanks, Tena. I was winging it and feeling guilty for stealing a bit of Eddie Izzard's stuff.
Here's one I thought of today: Unka Georgie is trying to have his way by making us afraid. You may disagree witht the premise, but it's hard to see how. And if you understood Michael Moore's film "Bowling for Columbine" (which was NOT about guns), then you know that we American's are positively (negatively) driven by fear. I always knew that I hated late local news. I knew my life got better when I made sure I never watched it. Moore's movie explained about 75% of what I hated about it. (Inaccuracies and mis-prioritization, in the direction of fear mostly, take up the other quarter.)
Anyway, GeorgieBoy is, and wants us all to be, afraid:
"And though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no EVIL." Emphasis mine.
Mr. B: Stick that in your hookah and smoke it.
Brother Bush, would you like to testify to the change Christ has made in your life and heart?
"Fuck Saddam. We're taking him out."
Hudson - I was wishing mightily that I could remember Eddie's whole bit on the Anglican Church, because it's wonderful. But then, everything Eddie does is wonderful. He's the funniest man alive right now. Brilliant.
And you're right about evening news. I don't watch it much because that's all it's about - something to scare people. Identity theft, on the rise! Flu epidemic! Terra alert raised from Big Bird to Ernie! It's pitiful.
hmm, maybe if they could combine church-going and $2000 a pop fundraisers he'd show up more often
Oh - and you're dead right, too, Hudson - George is scared shitless. It sticks out all over him.
preznit giv me turkee - LOL - that was priceless. Absolutely priceless. Damn I wish I'd said it.
They'd have to provide a small black child for Bush to pick up, of course, if there were going to cameras there.
Tena,
I have sung several pieces by Part, and a lot of folks really like his stuff (I am a bit ambivalent). He came to the Oregon Bach Festival one summer and it was almost creepy how everyone was all agog over his spirituality. John Taverner is a brit who has written similar music, the kind of trance-like repetitions, etc. like Part, and quite interesting. I prefer music that more closely follows the text, but I'm an old fart I guess...
I'm somewhat familiar with Taverner. I'm not a singer, nor am I a musician, nor am I agog over Part's spirituality. I just really find the spareness of his compositions very lovely.
But I understand what you're saying.
Yes, there are several pieces of Part that I really like, I remember a cello piece that was amazing, just a simple scale that repeated over and over. The spareness is quite lovely, like you say. If I implied you were "agog" it wasn't intentional, it just was kinda funny seeing all these musicians speaking in hushed, reverential tones (they are usually pretty cynical). But hey, when I got to sing with Pierre Boulez back in the 80's I was quite the groupie myself. I guess my blathering on about music is a reflection of my desire for a piece of music that could capture people's imagination and galvanize them in some way to stand up and fight against this profoundly un-American, un-christian, and un-human bunch of monkeys that are trashing our country right now.
Tena- considering that the last time aWol went to a church it was on the way to a fundraiser (so we got to pick up the tab, instead of the RNC{what, are they broke now or something?}), it just makes sense. btw, did you see the pic and comment on TBOGG (I think) of "if you shake it more than twice you're playing with it"? priceless
Hudson, I just saw 'Bowling for Columbine for the first time two days ago. I thought that the message about fear was the central point of the movie, and something that is too easily overlooked. It's hard to know this since I am an American. But I think that, since 9-11, we must look as though we have gone crazy with fear to the rest of the world. More than anything else, what has angered me about the Bush administration is the way that they have exploited this fear to gain political advantage. It's a far cry from the reassurances that FDR gave Americans in WW11.
The movie made me want to move to Canada, with all its unlocked front doors.
The link below from Tom Tomorrow's blog also gives perspective on the way things should be:
http://www.thismodernworld.com/S...com/
Sydney.html
I want my country back.
Teena,
I don't think predestination has been an official Presbyterian doctrine since 1906 (much earlier for Cumberland Presbyterians, who split off, regretfully, around 1840 over this very issue (if I remember my church history correctly).
I'm sorry, I can't get worked up over the question of W's church attendance record.
I only have a limited energy for being pissed off. I get pissed off over this, it'll push something more important out.
Whether he goes each week or not, he sure as hell doesn't follow the doctrines, and if any major branch of Christianity is right, he's hellbound for sure.
Personally, though, I hope he does go each week. I hate it when Chimpy and I agree on things...
FYI: Carter's church attendance
Look for a photo op with Bush in a reverend suit, holding a turkey, while attending church in Selma, Alabama with the local folks, all the while looking for the WMD out of the corner of his eye. Pickles Bush will be dutifully three steps behind with a carving knife and bible. Daughters will be in nun's habits (the better to hide the margarita's) and Barbarian Bush will not be wasting her beautiful mind thinking about anything.
Bush has proven himself to be as evil as any despot that has walked this earth, and if there is a God he will see to it that Bush rots in hell.
You know why Bush doesn't go to church?
One word: hangover.
I know from experience.
"I ask, in part, because I don't think Jesus would even consider bombing the fleas off of somebody's camel. BUt what do I know? I used to go to a fundie church. God, I could talk a good game...."
I too, like Hudson, attended a "fundie" church. I went through that born-again period. Went to a Bible college and witnessed it's pervasive racism, sexism and cult-like adoration of it's leader.
The current administration reminds me so much of that "dark time" in my life in the early 80's, trapped in the mid-west with my wife and young son, 1500 miles from home.
When you peel the covers back from most(all?) of the religious right, you see some very ugly stuff inside. There is a certain pathology that pervades the religious right in this country. They've taken the message of Jesus and so perverted it w/ American civil religion, that it doesn't represent Christ at all. I personally don't know what representing Christ means. I do know it doesn't mean waving the flag, blessing our troops and assigning blame to Democrats for the problems of our country.
Or if there is a God he/she has one perverted sense of humor.
Vinnie
Damn, insights like that almost have me believing that there actually IS a god...
Naaaah.
WWJD?
What Would Jesus Drink?
I'm thinking that if he didn't go for an eye-opening Bloody Mary, he'd most likely ask for a Rusty Nail.
Bush has proven himself to be as evil as any despot that has walked this earth, and if there is a God he will see to it that Bush rots in hell.
world traveler
Amen Brother!
I am not a big defender of George W. but I imagine it is impossible for a POTUS to spend any real time in communtiy. They must always be "on," and the chances of having a genuine spiritual moment -- assuming 100% sincerity on his part -- with photogs and gawkers all around must be approximately nil. I mean, it's tough for us, and we're just zhloobs.
Maybe he makes do with one-on-ones with fellow believers in the White House. Maybe he prays with the cook. maybe he invites people in to punch him up, like Billy Graham did for -- I think it was -- 23 presidencies.
Jeebus wanna buy the prez ribs?
World Traveler, your description of Bush and family in Selma sounds just like something out of "The Handmaid's Tale." He is creepy enough to be in that book already!
And Warren Terra, I saw that program of Verdi's "Requiem" on PBS. It was an amazing story. Even someone like me, who usually doesn't watch classical music shows on PBS, could appreciate it.
Having now done more for human rights than any other president, aWol just doesn't want to show up God in the Almighty's own house. S/He *has* been a bit of a slacker the last couple thousand years after all.
God is a crazy woman, that is why everything is so fucked up.
Anonymous, 4:24 pm
WOW! You have missed a few thousand years of history!
... grew up Episcopalian, and even after I stopped being one I had pretty good feelings about the Episcopal Church. I was just saying the other night (ok, I was actually screaming at the TV,) that the splinter group should just go join the Southern Baptist Convention, since they apparently have so much in common. Tena
We can't give up on the Episcopal church -- their stances on other social issues, civil rights, women clergy, gay priests and blessings of gay unions are unparallelled in any other church.
Having been raised a Southern Baptist but an Episcopal by choice, there is a LOT of difference in their theology at the fundamental level. First off, the Episcopal CHurch is a eucharistic based church (focus on the eucharist, with 10-min sermons), a S.B. is the opposite: 45 minute sermons, and occasional eucharists.
I laughed out loud when Cal Thomas started throwing bones about Howard Dean's denomination to the rubes. Basically Thomas (a Falwell bagboy posing as a respectable op-ed guy) said that Congregationalists (such as Dean) believe that a believer can speak directly with God, and that the pastor is of secondary importance to this key relationship. Of course, Cal is accusing this liberal Protestant denomination of something that Baptists and evangelicals in general are supposed to profess: the "personal relationship with God".
Liberal Christians are definitely on the rightwing target list. Too bad we can't catch a break from a lot of secular liberals, either.
Btw Tavener is gorgeous stuff. My favorite religious composers are probably Bach, Gabrieli, and Wm. Billings.
If this thread's heart still beats....
Another Bruce: I can't decide whether the main theme of fear in "Bowling for Columbine" is too subtle or whether the anti-gun theme is too heavy or whether the publicity the anti-gun theme got was too strong, but I think too many people see the movie as control propaganda. I saw the film's second showing on opening day in Manhattan, and I haven't seen it since, but I think even MM wasn't sure what film he was making until the late local news followed news of his appearance in town with a tease for a segment on killer escalators, I think it was. Or maybe shark attacks. Fear fear fear.
b-rad: Welcome top to the civilized world. If you're ever near New York, I'll tell you my stories if you'll tell me yours! And I'll buy the beer. What Bible College did you attend? OOOHHHH! I just got a chill....
I laughed out loud when Cal Thomas started throwing bones about Howard Dean's denomination to the rubes. Basically Thomas (a Falwell bagboy posing as a respectable op-ed guy) said that Congregationalists (such as Dean) believe that a believer can speak directly with God, and that the pastor is of secondary importance to this key relationship. Of course, Cal is accusing this liberal Protestant denomination of something that Baptists and evangelicals in general are supposed to profess: the "personal relationship with God".
Liberal Christians are definitely on the rightwing target list. Too bad we can't catch a break from a lot of secular liberals, either.
Btw Tavener is gorgeous stuff. My favorite religious composers are probably Bach, Gabrieli, and Wm. Billings.
Sorry, not sure why I double-commented. The Congregational church Dean attends is affiliated with the UCC (United Church of Christ).
Jerry Falwell hates me.
of course he's there every week. his favorite is the sacramental wine booth.
I thought Part was Estonian? I have several of his pieces and enjoy them, but usually take them in small doses. Some of his larger works are too much of a good thing, at times.
Going to church is pretty much irrelevant. Being a Christian means following Christ and His teachings, including that annoying stuff about being peacemakers, loving your enemies, not repaying evil for evil, and so on. By that standard much of so-called "christianity" is not Christian.
To me the quintessential unChristian Bush moment was his cruel mocking of Carla Faye Tucker's pleas for mercy. Thanks to T. Carlson.
Actually, if two or more are together in Christ's name, he is there. His ministry was marked by public gatherings and crowds. If you attend, people will know you believe and pray for you. You will be challenged from time to time to grow in your faith, which won't happen if you are staying home or whatever.
I know it doesn't matter to the confirmed non-believer, but to someone who is "Christianity Curious" (which might possibly include G.W.) it's important to consider.
"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men?But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."
I don't care what religion Georgie is. But the Constitution and the faith he has claimed to follow say he shouldn't push it on other people.
Difference between God and GWB?
God never acts as if she is GWB.
Google search for Bush "attends church weekly" (i.e., no quotes around Bush but quote the rest of the phrase) brings up ads for incontinence aids. How odd.
Hudson and b-rad, we could form a former fundie support group!
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