I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Many a true word is drawn in jest...
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Maybe somebody who knows the Bible better than me could suggest some good quotes about personal responsibility or blaming others for problems. Would love to trot those out during arguments.
Wherever you go... there you are.
Wherever Bush goes... it's a mess.
They tried to get Clinton with the :No one left to lie to" tagline, do you think we can make "Bush: No One Left to Blame" the new craze sweeping the nation? It's very popular with the young people, I'm told.
How 'bout "Bush: No one left to Plame"
sorry couldn't resist
Ah, a new choice for my background on my laptop, thanks.
Of to caucus for Edwards....
Speaking of personal responsibility, given Dubya's advocacy of the Marriage Defense Act ( counseling for low income - read minorities to improve their marriage skills), isn't it time for him to sit down & have a chat with brother Neil about the values of marriage. I don't know of any low income people that take on prostitutes in their hotel rooms in Asia, contract herpes, line up & plow/maybe inpregnate their next wife, all while supposedly happily married.
What ever happened to TV news coverage of the misdeeds of a president's brother, I seemed to vividly remember - could I have been dreaming? - extensive TV news coverage of Carter's brother Billy, Clinton's half-brother Roger & Hillary's brother. Oh wait, they committed minor misdeeds compared to brother Neil.
I tell you, at this point, former president Clinton looks like a pillar of rectitude, maybe even saintly compared to what we've witnessed the past 3 years.
Let's not forget that the 'Mission Accomplished' banner was the fault of the sailors on board.
Honor and integrity. Rigghhhht.
The dog ate his homework.
Maybe somebody who knows the Bible better than me could suggest some good quotes about personal responsibility or blaming others for problems.
The very concept of the "scapegoat" is Biblical in nature (Leviticus 16:6-2
. I don't think that the Good Book offers much leverage in this one.
How about simply:
George Bush: Intelligence Failure
Fits on a bumper sticker.
Or a new googlebomb!
OT, but look who's trying to sneak in under the radar.
Reminds me of every single convicted felon I ever represented, with 2 exceptions. Not one of the rest - several hundred - would ever admit that his being in prison was in any way his fault.
Standard operating procedure for criminals everywhere. I finally decided that one of the reasons my clients ended up in prison in the first place was their inability to admit that anything was ever their own faults.
Maybe somebody who knows the Bible better than me could suggest some good quotes about personal responsibility or blaming others for problems.
The very concept of the "scapegoat" is Biblical in nature (Leviticus 16:6-2. I don't think that the Good Book offers much leverage in this one.
Ronald Merrick | Email | Homepage | 02.07.04 - 12:59 pm | #
Not at all. That's the great thing about scripture, you can always find
a verse that suits your needs. That's how people like Pat Robertson can spout their looney ideas and call it Christianity. Maybe Joe Frantic could use Ezekiel 18:20
"It is the person who sins that will die; a son will not bear responsibility for his father's guilt, nor a father for his son's. The righteous person will have his own righteousness placed to his account, and the wicked person his own wickedness".
Slightly off topic, Ezekiel 33:11 is useful for countering the "eye-for-an-eye" capital punishment argument:
"As I live says the Lord G-d, I have no desire for the death of the wicked. I would rather that the wicked should mend their ways and live."
Don't know much about the New Testament, sorry.
"and don't forget to close your itals anchor"
- Ezekiel 28:15
Let's try again.
Maybe somebody who knows the Bible better than me could suggest some good quotes about personal responsibility or blaming others for problems.
The very concept of the "scapegoat" is Biblical in nature (Leviticus 16:6-2. I don't think that the Good Book offers much leverage in this one.
Ronald Merrick | Email | Homepage | 02.07.04 - 12:59 pm | #
Not at all. That's the great thing about scripture, you can always find
a verse that suits your needs. That's how people like Pat Robertson can spout their looney ideas and call it Christianity. Maybe Joe Frantic could use Ezekiel 18:20
"It is the person who sins that will die; a son will not bear responsibility for his father's guilt, nor a father for his son's. The righteous person will have his own righteousness placed to his account, and the wicked person his own wickedness".
Slightly off topic, Ezekiel 33:11 is useful for countering the "eye-for-an-eye" capital punishment argument:
"As I live says the Lord G-d, I have no desire for the death of the wicked. I would rather that the wicked should mend their ways and live."
Don't know much about the New Testament, sorry.
I dunno, it's a bit Mallard Fillmore-esque, but it is true.
Some cartoons just write themselves, don't they?
John D., indeed. Dave, Woot, Holden C, someone from Austin, TX and I were playing Top Trumps with our political cartoons of the day in an older thread...
And if that fails, he'll hide behind Mommy's skirts. Old Bush family tradition.
Joe Frantic,
I doubt you'll find the phrase 'personal responsibility' in the bible (though as Lawrence of Cyberia points out, the concept is certainly there). But I suspect that you randomly select a page from the Gospels and find something about hypocricy, not judging others, etc.
Dave, Woot, Holden C, someone from Austin, TX and I were playing Top Trumps with our political cartoons of the day in an older thread...
As go the cartoonists, so goes the country!
This one gets "Cartoon of the Week."
Actually, when Adam says in Genesis 3:12 "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.", God accepts that as an excuse and goes to her and asks "What is this that thou hast done?" "And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat." And He punishes the serpent, Eve an Adam quite differently, where Adam gets off best.
"And if that fail's, he'll hide behind Mommy's skirts"
Ewwww!!!! There's an image I don't wanna think about. 
I'm convinced you could open a phone book to a random page, close your eyes and point, and find someone more qualified to be President than GWB.
Dave, that was awesome!
"Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."
— General Colin Powell
Motoko,
That's hardly a fair interpretation. In the first place, if God had accepted Adam's excuse He wouldn't have punished him at all. In the second place, saying Adam got off best is purely a matter of opinion. (The serpent loses his legs and gains an enemy, Eve is given painful childbirths and second-class citizenship, and Adam is sentenced to a lifetime of hard labor.)
"Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."
— General Colin Powell
Shaw Kenawe
How would he know?
OT, but check out the photos of the Dem contenders on the front page of cnn.com. Is it just me, or does Kerry look like a pantomime villian?
...that was awesome!
Credit where credit's due: courtesy Jeff Danziger.
Not one of the rest - several hundred - would ever admit that his being in prison was in any way his fault.
I dunno Tena, but I think that's hardly a trait reserved solely for criminals. It may be that all criminals have this trait, but not all those who have it are criminals. (They could be, though).
We all do this, one way or another, and we live in an entire culture of victimization, where nothing is ever our fault. Our religions, our culture, our legal system, they all support this viewpoint. The whole self-esteem movement--to pick, a little unfairly on it--is all about this: "I'm a good person, so nothing I do can ever be bad". I sure wish we would all just grow the fuck up. I think there is absolutely no hope until we do.
Beth, of course we can argue if the serpent's punishment ("cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field") is worse than that of the humans. But I really think He is harder on Eve than on Adam; this is the part where she gets, like you say, second-class citizenship. M.
Silly people! Don't you realize that personal responsibilty, like taxes, is stricty for the dirty little people. The landed gentry are above such things.
OT, but check out the photos of the Dem contenders on the front page of cnn.com. Is it just me, or does Kerry look like a pantomime villian?
Those are all incredibly bad photos, from Clark's "What the fuck is going on over there?" look, to what appears to be Howard Dean's chin implant bursting out, to Edwards's cheshire cat smile.
Motoko,
Like I said, it's mostly a matter of opinion, and since I don't know what "cursed above all cattle..." means in practical terms, that one's hard to judge. I do find it interesting though, that while Christian fundies are quick to point to that passage as proof that God opposes sexual equality, I've never heard them suggest that epidurals and herbicides should be banned for the same reason.
Dr. Pedant - You may be right that this quality isn't limited to criminals, but I do believe that the inability of a someone who by age should be an adult to admit fault for anything is an element of sociopathy. Some criminals just don't commit major felonies that get them sent to prison. Instead, they do things that, while not strictly illegal, are nevertheless wrong. For example, Neil Bush's claim that the underage oriental prostitutes he had sex with "just showed up" at his hotel room door.
Not to mention "character" and "values".
TheaLogie,
Were you suggesting we link intelligence failure to Bush's bio?
I think we should link it to the I need some ribs transcript. Or is there a better one that shows Bush being a complete jackass?
dak,
Or is there a better one that shows Bush being a complete jackass?
The one with the bits the official transcript left out:
Bush to a pregnant reporter: "You want some ribs or do you want some ribs? Does your baby need a rib or are you going to buy some food? Or would you like some cheese cake?"
It also includes the following exchange:
"BUSH: Baby need a rib?
"UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The baby's fine, thanks."
Towards the end of this page.
But he is running on the "Personal Responsibility" platform. If you're rich, it's because of your own personal responsibility. If you're poor, the same. If you're enemployed, or ill, or pregnant, or need college tuition, or living in an environmentally degraded environment, or homeless, or in a failing school system, or in a job with a hazardous workplace, or unable to pay for your prescription drugs, or living without a pension because your savings were stolen....
well, it's your personal responsibility to take care of yourself.
God does not like liberals or homosexuals.
Louise - That was brilliant.
Tought I'd come back and point out that Wasserman is the best thing about the Boston Globe. It sure is't Alex Beam, the person most likely to be judged "last flapper" unless A. Cooke outlives him. It could happen Al. Jurkowitz either, the laziest reporter in New England.
Maybe somebody who knows the Bible better than me could suggest some good quotes
about personal responsibility or blaming others for problems.
This isn't directly responsive, and I'm not in a position to look it up right now but I keep thinking about how "the sins of the fathers are visited on the sons."
I don't recall that it specifies who the sins of the sons are visited upon, but it appears to be thee and me.
jesus, i think that's the funniest and best political cartoon i've ever seen.
why do the cartoonists get it?
What about 9/11 was Clinton's fault.
Maybe thats too close to home.
That is really a very brilliant political cartoon. Absolutely cuts to the bone.
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