I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Well, January 20, but other than that it's clever.
I sure hope that's right!! ABB...
I think your wish has been granted.
You know you're in trouble when the late night comics turn on you.
HA!
looks like Letterman fired all his washed-up Republican speech writers and replaced them with comedy writers.
Go Dave!
mebbe Dean isn't the only one doing spine transplants, mebbe Jon Stewart has taught them that comedy sells.
Sweet.
A.
Jon Stewart has to tell jokes to get the taste of Wolfowitz, Perle and all those other bastards he has fellated on his show out of his mouth.
The job JS did on Dean was also not a service to his country.
He is an admitted corporate whore with an occasional tendency to ridicule the ridiculous WH, for which I applaud him. But 'spine'? Better go look somewhere else.
That line got both a real (not polite) laugh from the audience and then applause. Not a single boo (unlike Elvis Costello singing "Peace in Our Time" on Carson under the Reagan raj). Letterman has a palpable distaste for Bushco, if only because he's always been the cleverest dorm guy who hates the stupid frat guys. I know his limitations, but I fully expect him to be joking with Kofi Annan about sending Bush to The Hague for war crimes before this election cycle is out.
Related TV news--Jow Wilson was on Charlie Rose tonight, and as much as I like him, he pronounced "nuclear" the W way--"nu-kyoo-lar." Hey, Joe--that won't impress the educated swells at The Hague!!!
I hope so!
Just caught that too! I was in tears (both of joy and laughter)
bushCo is history.
Way to go Dave! (I boycotted CBS sine the move-on fiasco but Letterman is the only exception to my otherwise perfect streak)
What's with the fixation with the Haque? I in the midwest's central time zone am watching Joe Wilson and John Podesta right now, haven't heard him mispronounce nuclear yet.
With Letterman's joke, I heard it too. Also, his top ten was hilarious, showing ten clips of G.W. looking like an idiot. But, we should keep in mind that Letterman makes fun of democrats too.
letterman should make fun of democrats. I'm all for equal opportunity comedy, but there's been very little of that lately.
but the sheeple prefer Leno, so jay better start too.
Wow. I hope so.
Yes, but the only people whose opinions count are those who *vote.* Diebold notwithstanding.
Support voter verified paper trails. Register to vote now. then on November 2, 2004, haul your booty down to your local precinct and pull that lever (or touch that screen, if you will.) And take your friends and family en masse with you, if they aren't pathetic Bush apologists.
Applauding on the Letterman show isn't going to get it done......
Support voter verified paper trails.
The technology is out there, check out www.truvote.com.
It can't hurt though. Nothing like a devoted 11,000,000 viewership. You can bet he'll be losing a few tonight though...But not many.
Bush is toast...Lightly buttered.
Jeremy--As best I remember, Wilson was talking about the aluminum tubes and the yellowcake, both known as bogus by Bushco when they repeatedly trumpeted them. Wilson said "So there was no nukyoolar case."
I'm not "fixated" on The Hague--it was a jokey/wishful thinking reference about W on trial for war crimes, like Milosevic, W's moral equal and intellectual superior.
It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.
"Applauding on the Letterman show isn't going to get it done......
Phredd"
who said it was?
look, we gotta laugh
sounds like the middle C of the country
I remember a great Letterman moment from Father's day 2001. Dave found a great still photo of W escorting his mother under an umbrella with his father glaring. Dave provided the voices:
Dave: Now, look at this, folks, it looks just like he's saying:
George Bush Sr.: You IDIOT!
W: What? Huh? I got the umbrella!
Dave then repeated this a few times, emphasizing the "You IDIOT!"--almost as if he was expressing his own personal feelings about the pResident.
Go Dave!
And I remember not so long ago that Letterman was doing "and then the Democrats get lose in a landslide in November" jokes. The late night comic tide is turning, whoo-hoo!
Jay showed the Kerry/Lurch photo comparrison.
Now that's funny!
It's not that funny, is it?
You can read the joke as equating Democrats with Iraqis.
Am I the only person who actually enjoyed Freud's Wit and its Relation to the Unconscious?
re: letterman: "if only because he's always been the cleverest dorm guy who hates the stupid frat guys..." letterman was a sigma chi at ball state.
All the jokes about Clinton's sexual prowess didn't seem to hurt him.
A joke I loathed circulated during the election campaign in '96: The candidates were asked whether they wore briefs or shorts. Clinton said he wore (one or the other); Dole said, "Depends." It was clear that Clinton would win.
I almost wish Kerry did have an affair lurking just out of sight - or is that a reason to prefer Edwards?
Somewhat OT since it's not late-night comedy, but I think Bush may be losing Lou Dobbs. He's been absolutely relentless this past week on jobs-related issues, among other things. This is a guy who still has digitally-generated US flags waving in the background on his set. See for example the transcript from tonight at http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0.../20/
ldt.00.html, ctl-F down to "Forbes" and witness things like Dobbs refer in all seriousness to "faith-based economics."
Dave, you're a dead man.
Better get ready for the onslaught. It's coming, and fast.
You probably could have gotten away with calling Jesus a queer rather than say what you did.
Mess with christianity? Sure.
Mess with conservatism? You're out of your mind.
MYOB'
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Conan O'Brian mentioned the doctored photo of John Kerry with Jane Fonda, and said they had found another...
then he proceeded to show one with Jane teaching aerobics, and Kerry in the background working out in legwarmers.
If the right-wing's doctored photo is such common knowledge as to make late night jokes, then not only is the tide turning but the electorate is presumed to be well-informed!
Kerry in legwarmers? Eww. Better not put him in a Barabarella costume.
Bush, however ... wasn't he a cheerleader?
Bush is becoming a joke and a laughing stock which is EXACTLY what we need right now.
The public is seeing that he's not the grand, Churchillian historical figure the Repugs make him out to be. Pretty soon it's going to be VERY UNCOOL to be a Bush supporter.
And that's a one way trip, once you see the truth about Dub you don't flip over to the over side.
Bad Jim--I'm familiar with the works of Freud, and the joke makes perfect sense as you describe it on several levels. The Ds have been conquered, stomped and humiliated by Bushco, like the Iraqis. The Ds seem powerless in the face of Bushco's might but have a few tricks up their sleeve yet, like the Iraqis. The Ds will benefit immensely from Bushco's arrogant imcompetence, like the Iraqis. So what's the problem? I didn't think the joke was all that funny either, being a rote parallel-substitution-reversal, devoid of allusive mystery. It played on the contrast of Bushco voluntarily handing over power vs. involuntarily--a rather obvious twist.
Pesonally, I've identified with Iraqis throughout this war a lot more than I've identified with Bushco, so I have no objection to the parallel.
You're likely familiar with Civilization and Its Discontents, wherein Freud describes how "culture" and "repression" are the laudatory and accusatory names for the same complex of phenomena. In a healthy culture, as in a healthy personality, there's a balance maintained wherein the repressive forces provide enough collective discipline to promote the life-affirming ("erotic" in the broad sense) forces. But when the repressive forces overwhelm, there is a collective breakdown akin to the neurotic personality, which tries to fix its disorder through irrational and self-sabotaging means.
Personally, I see the collective US in full nervous breakdown mode, with W standing a good chance of winning in November. As Freud stated, "The neurotic compulsion can never be satisfied; it can only be repeated."
Don't get me wrong. I damned well would have laughed at that joke, because the punchline is from Dave's lips to God's ear.
There was a record from an obscure L.A. art group (whatever that means) titled "Civilizations and its Discotheques". It's unsurprising that they remained obscured, but I will giggle forever after.
I'm hopeful; I'm also not entirely unsympathetic with Iraqis (I read Riverbend, for example), so my feelings about the joke are way more ambiguous than my initial stentorian post.
Michelangelo's Moses is sited barely a stone's throw from the Colosseum in Rome. While the latter is obnoxiously thronged, the first is rarely visited. It's worth a look.
A campaign ad we hope to see:
Some footage with sound of President Bush being wildly cheered by the sailors on the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln. Text: "President Bush welcomed home and thanked the sailors on the USS Lincoln for their service to their country in Iraq and for successfully accomplishing their mission."
Then show footage of Vietnam war servicemen debarking from planes to small crowds of family and friends. Then show a serviceman watching Senator Kerry and the demonstrations on TV proudly displaying the flag of the enemy he had been fighting. Then show him watching and listening to Senator Kerry accuse them of murdering innocent civilians. Then show the text "John Kerry did not welcome our servicemen and women home."
Some footage with sound of President Bush being wildly cheered by the sailors on the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln. Text: "President Bush welcomed home and thanked the sailors on the USS Lincoln for their service to their country in Iraq and for successfully accomplishing their mission."
Oooh! I have one for you: Footage of Georgie prancing around at fundraisers, with a running total of how many he's attended.
Then, footage of "transfer tubes" arriving Dover AFB, fresh from his war, with the number of funerals he's attended for the people he sent to die for his campaign contributors.
Lefteye--I stand corrected on DL's frat status. Google reveals that there's even a book on the subject:
The Sweetheart of Sigma Chi: David Letterman, the College Years
Author:
Jeff Lewis
Guild Press of Indiana October, 1997 Paperback
ISBN: 1578600219
Somehow this volume escaped my attention; I must have been too busy reading the Quentin Tarantino bio wherein QT's mother revealed the inspiration for the title Reservoir Dogs.
In the spirit of Bushco, I stand by my original statement, even though it's wrong--has anyone ever heard DL mention his frat on his show? I suspect on some level he's deeply embarassed by fratdom. And as a dorm guy myself, DL has always reminded me of the guys who used to hang out in the commons room waching Star Trek reruns and the local news with an expert satirical eye. I don't imagine DL putting up with road trips and self-denunciations rituals with any grace, but I guess that shows I've bought the image he likes to project.
Bush is becoming a joke and a laughing stock which is EXACTLY what we need right now.
The public is seeing that he's not the grand, Churchillian historical figure the Repugs make him out to be. Pretty soon it's going to be VERY UNCOOL to be a Bush supporter.
And that's a one way trip, once you see the truth about Dub you don't flip over to the over side.
1. Have you ever listened to John Kerry for more than 5 minutes? Neither have I. I fall asleep. He is the most boring speaker I have ever heard. He makes Gore sound interesting in comparsion.
2. Do you have any idea how much money the Republicans have to spend on this election? Did you know that John Kerry mortgaged one of his 6 houses to pay campaign expenses? Did you know that the money keeps rolling in for the Republicans while the Dems are spending theirs on primaries?
3. Did you know that the Republicans have a huge database of email addresses of supporters and donators?
4. Did you know that John Kerry is an phoney eastern snob that probably has no idea who drives #24. He is totally out of touch with common people. Have you ever heard the phrase "Do you know who I am?" before? You will.
5. When is the last time a senator won a presidential election? Do you know why?
6. Can anyone name one issue Senator Kerry has not done a major flip-flop on in his career?
7. Do you have any idea how much Vietnam veterans hate Jane Fonda? I am not talking about the so-called band of brothers Kerry shamlessly parades in front of crowds and the cameras. Read what happened to Hanoi Jane in Waterbury, CT some time ago.
8. Do you know the real story about Kerry's Vietnam service? You will. He did serve in Vietnam just in case you haven't heard yet.
9. Did you notice that Dennis failed to mention a single major policy decision Georgie has made that hasn't turned into a complete failure?
Then, footage of "transfer tubes" arriving Dover AFB, fresh from his war, with the number of funerals he's attended for the people he sent to die for his campaign contributors.
Liberals love to use dead servicemen/women for political purposes don't they? Just like Kerry did.
Did you know that John Kerry is an phoney eastern snob
This is absolutely hilarious, considering that Georgie is a "Texan" from Connecticut.
Much as I dislike Kerry, at least he's not pretending to be from a totally different region of the country. 
Liberals love to use dead servicemen/women for political purposes don't they?
Hmm, let's see, which is worse: Making Georgie face up to his personal responsibility in getting those young people dead, or being personally responsible for all those young people being dead?
Bears repeating:
looks like Letterman fired all his washed-up Republican speech writers and replaced them with comedy writers.
Considering Dave pushed Clenis jokes long past their expiration date (and alleged comic Jay Leno still does) it does seem to signal a change...
Odd, I am sure I heard the exact same joke on the Tonight Show.
Did I get them confused? I did watch a couple minutes of Letterman before switching.
Anyone here remember how Bush got his medals?
Anyone?
Anybody heard the joke about the weapons in Iraq?
It used to be scary. That's the reason we sent our army to invade them. We were afraid of Iraq, deathly scared, o my god, crawl under the carpet scared of those swarthy Iraqis, dread mustachioed Saddam Hussein is going to murder us in our beds if we don't do something.
Okay. As a joke, it's basically weak, and it's way too emotionally fraught. But if we can't laugh about it, what is else if not to be overcome?
Here's another bad joke: the US finds it so goddamn difficult to keep count of Iraqis murdered by US forces, but can count the ones killed by insurgents just fine.
Dennis Slater is marrying Henry Kissinger this weekend, reception afterwards at an Italian restaurant in North Beach.
Dennis has a gift list up at Amazon.com, and would specifically like to read books about how his future mate Henry killed 500,000 innocent Cambodians, and at least 200,000 Laotians. Whenever he sees Henry's skull collection, it always makes him hot.
Rs always kill innocent people en masse to express their worldview. 40,000 innocent Iraqi moderates just proved that once again. And who needs transfer tubes when you can destroy the lives of 1/3 of the troops deployed? The 550 (and 100 in Afghanistan) Bx has killed outright may be the lucky ones.
As a result of the equally unnecessary Gulf War I, there are 250,000 permanent disabilities.
My how R's like to use the lives of servicemen, and especially reserves, to mop up the bleeding gash of cash where they raped the treasury.
Yay Dave! But I've always liked Dave. In contrast, I've never liked Republican-promoting Leno, for his jokes or his politics.
Paul: you've got the process. You write well. If there's a joke there, though, I don't get it.
(I don't always get my own jokes, either, but I'm still working on it.)
Republican humor:
"I heard that Saddam Hussein found out about Governor Dean's little yahoo speech
and Saddam felt so bad for Dean he offered him his hole."
Democratic humor:
"they may have found the reason that President Bush has such a hard time with mathematics, it seems he has a big problem with all those arabic numerals
Ooh, Dennis Slater is back. Hey Dennis, how does it feel to have your incumbent losing hypothetical elections by 10+ points with eight months of investigations, indictments, and suicide bombings left to go?
In a cabinet meeting, Bush was told that he couldn't find his ass with both hands. He insisted that he could, and left the room to prove it.
Don't feed the troll people
In re:
Am I the only person who actually enjoyed Freud's Wit and its Relation to the Unconscious?
I hope so
As re the 8 reasons Kerry will lose:
place the 547 dead soldiers on the other side of the scale before you judge which way it swings
The worm has defintly turned for George though, hasn't it
Dig dig dig cover cover cover
All for noght
I hate America. But it's still hard to think up a worse joke than the president.
A priest, a pastor and a rabbi walk into a bar.
Says the bartender, "Is this a joke?"
Take it away!
Great Joke by Letterman, but I am surprised the late night guys are not all over the re-defining of fast food restaurant jobs as manufacturing jobs..Surely there is a wealth of material in that.
And for a campaign commercial how about thouse hundreds of birds flipped at the Chimp at the Daytona 500. I'd love to see a video of that.
If it weren't for the possibility of Osama being yanked out of a hole during the Republican Convention, I'd be feeling pretty good about the chances of ditching Bushco. George is just too comical (in a Strangelovian sense) to be re-elected. Apparently, Pakistan likes Bush and sees Kerry as an Indian tool, increasing the odds on a timely capture.
Then, footage of "transfer tubes" arriving Dover AFB, fresh from his war, with the number of funerals he's attended for the people he sent to die for his campaign contributors.
But where are you going to get this footage? Karl Rove saw the political implications of dead Americans from an illegal war long ago. Hence the enforcement of the ban on media coverage of returning remains of deceased service personnel. If you can't see it, it doesn't exist (unless it's WMDs or ties to al-Qaeda, of course).
Peggy Noonan explains how to perform a 45-minute blowjob
I think we're maybe headed towards a figurative armageddon; that is, a referendum on the separation of church and state. Maybe not this election, but in the next decade or so (if they don't blow up the world, in which case I guess that would be a literal armageddon).
Dave,
Osama will be giving the nominating speech at the convention.
"And now, the man who personally, just this afternoon, put a boot up my ass the American way, George W. Bush!"
Balloons, streamers, shotguns fired into the air.
A.
Methinks that Leno is a closet Gooper.
His jokes about Clinton's sexual predicament were unending and malicious.
Bushboy kills people with his lies and Leno makes funny about the latest Bushboy malaprop.
Leno sucks.
I think we're maybe headed towards a figurative armageddon...
Tomato, that's why the SCOTUS replacements are so critical.
You know, this whole issue of religious influence on government is ridiculous. Dictating a stronger religious code is NOT going to make people more moral (especially when it comes to sex), less apt to abuse drugs and alcohol, kinder, etc. We get too many daily examples of the widespread hypocrisy of man, ESPECIALLY among those who profess to be devoutly religious. Constant references to biblical dicta also ignore the non-Christian, non-religious segment of the population.
Separation of church and state MUST be maintained.
did anybody tivo / mpeg the letterman clip? we should be archiving these somewhere, and I missed it.
did anybody tivo / mpeg the letterman clip? we should be archiving these somewhere, and I missed it.
Some footage with sound of President Bush being wildly cheered by the sailors on the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln. Text: "President Bush welcomed home and thanked the sailors on the USS Lincoln for their service to their country in Iraq and for successfully accomplishing their mission."
Yeahh, if the Bush campaign uses that footage, they're even dumber than advertised. Only a reality-challenged flying-monkey-rightwinger would think it showed Bush in a positive light.
I'd love for the Bush campaign to start using that footage in their ads. It would be the most politically inept move in decades.
The Dems should run an ad of Bushboy masquerading on the carrier in that ridiculous flightsuit while a copy of his MIAs from the National Guard scrolls by. They could also include Bushboy's commanders who refused to give him an evaluation because they never saw him. They could have a copy of the document showing he did not get a physical in 1972 as required...
And then in the voice over we could have questions being asked...
Where are the jobs Mr. President?
Why is the deficit out of control Mr. President?
Where are the WMDs Mr. President?
What "Mission Accomplished" does that sign refer to Mr. President?
Tomato, it is THIS election. Get everyone to understand that if THIS election is lost there wont BE another election. We'll be living under theocratic biblical law within 3 years...IF they have their way. They have about 175 million gun owners to go through first.
As for Peggy Noonan, I wonder if she got all wet. It sounds like it. She needs to lay off the KKKool aid.
Letterman has been relentlessly ripping Dubya nightly for weeks.
Can you smell the toast burning?
"Liberals love to use dead servicemen/women for political purposes don't they?"
Ohh Ohh - Good one - W0W!
Rethugs = War is Peace
Demos = War is Death
that's the morally-relativistic saying of the day
hey dennis - if you have anything to add about kerry's military service in vietnam ......BRING IT ON!
st00pid greedy arrogance makes me rage!
John Kerry didn't 'welcome the servicemen home"--he WAS one.
What was George Bush?
One of the reasons that Smirk's handlers have labored so hard to put aside the National Guard issue is that more detailed information has surfaced about the time when Smirk was supposedly reading flight manuals and girlie mags in Alabama. The fact is that Smirk avoided being on his NG job by working on the Blount for Senate campaign in '72, where was ridiculed by fellow campaign workers. They called him the "Texas Souffle" -- good looking on the outside and full of hot air!
No wonder Scott McClellan tries so hard to stonewall NG issues during daily WH briefings.
Dennis is getting all these repug talking points at headquarters. He's proving to be a good little parrot puppet.
here is the realaudio link from the lateshow website ... suck it CBS http://www.cbs.com/latenight/
lat...nologues.shtml#
here is the realaudio link from the lateshow website ... suck it CBS http://www.cbs.com/latenight/
lat...nologues.shtml#
... how R's like to use the lives of servicemen, and especially reserves, to mop up the bleeding gash of cash where they raped the treasury. Paul
Let's not forget the lives of the poor in America. The gap is growing by leaps and bounds. Did anyone see Condoleeza Rice's second cousin (Cynthia? dammit, I can't remember her name now!) on Moyers' NOW last night? She's a lawyer in L.A. -- said L.A. is a 'first-rate' third world city now -- with a yawning gap. She was NOT complimentary of her cousin's activities!
Then they did a long segment on Christian Zionists -- WOW! Scaa-a-a-rrry!!!
Check out the transcript at PBS. BTW, Moyers evidently is retiring from NOW after this season -- to write a book. I heard that on CNN.
Remember Letterman's Bush had a nosejob joke. Seems this rumor was created by this blogger http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/b...brian_flemming/
I found it pretty funny that a joke becomes news and that now there are millions of Letterman viewers thinking Bush really did have a nose job.
By the way, the bloggers mede up the nosejob story as a parody on the kerry botox story.
profbooty, thanks. That was hilarious! Dave was smokin' and the audience was loving it.
better than any of us, comics can sense when there's blood in the water...
# 1 on the top 10 last night was 'Bush looking presidential' and they showed the clip of bush spitting on the WH lawn just after he crawled, er disembarked, from the helicopter. There was a hilarious one that may have been taken on the set of the Letterman show (or Leno?) with bush seated on the couch, several people in front of the desk, in front of him, and they did a close up of bush cleaning his glasses on the skirttail of some woman aide's green dress. It was hard to see and went by very quickly.
I'd never seen it before. He literally took the edge of her dress and cleaned his glasses. I wish she'd slapped him.
Another nice thing in that monologue--Letterman mentions all the gay marriages going on and while the applause and cheers aren't deafening, there is a good solid show of approval by a hefty chunk of the audience. Do you think that would have happened ten or even five years ago? I don't.
renato-well, not always. Good comics, true satirists dancing with Kali kill with their honesty. But as with everything else the Herd seeks the comfortably numb, incidentally fictional "middle ground" as we saw with all that tired yarlping about Clinus' thingus. Or as is visible on any airing of the increasingly unmentionable Shitturday Night Live.
Good comics (feel free to add more):
Rick Mercer (Monday Report, formerly 22 minutes, which is still better than any weak-ass American garbage but is pretty lame this season)
Ken Finkelstein (the Newsroom, which nailed shut the case for crappy American tv a long time ago indeed)
the Daily Show (but you already knew that)
Chapelle
... as we saw with all that tired yarlping about Clinus' thingus
As a Clinton supporter, I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it was just too good to resist for any comic. Bill Maher's still making the jokes about Clinton (last night on RealTime, can't remember it since wasn't very clever) --
I remember the uproar when Gerald Ford made the misstatement about Poland, and knocked his head on the helicopter that time. It was joked about and made fun of for weeks after. I mean, bush hasn't even had that kind of light comedy treatment -- did 9/11 change things that much?
How's Dennis Miller's yuckfest on RNCNBC going these days? Haven't heard too much about it.
Jon Stewart has to tell jokes to get the taste of Wolfowitz, Perle and all those other bastards he has fellated on his show out of his mouth.
Then you weren't paying very close attention. Ever stick around long enough to actually see those interviews? Jon asks questions that no one else would dream of asking. Half of the humor lies in these guys either not realizing that Jon's making fun of them -- to their face -- or not knowing how to react to being mocked openly by a smiling interviewer. Laugh_riot.
(And I thought he did a great job with Dean, mocking the coverage, not the candidate)
Jon Stewart rules.
Here's an idea for the Dem nominee..
At some time after he wins the nomination, The Dem nominee should secure and announce who he would pick for his cabinet IN ADVANCE. VP, Sec of State, Atty. Gen., etc. There are a lot of great options here, and I think it would have a big positive effect on the minds of voters.
What lots of independent/swing voters don't like about Bush is that they elected him as a moderate, and he wound up pushing a radical conservative agenda. This is largely seen as the result of the extreme conservatives in his cabinet: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rove, etc.
If Kerry or Edwards announce their cabinet in advance, he will show how favorably he matches up at these positions. Voters will be forced to consider the Executive Branch AS A TEAM, and weigh performance at each position.
This will make it much easier for Edwards/Kerry to capture the center once he wins the nomination, label the Repubs as undemocratic and nepotistic, and simultaneously negate the "inexperience/leader/resolve" labels Rove and the Repubs will try to pin.
I really think this could work, because this would open multiple lines of attack on Bush's cronies. Each cabinet member could issue their own "position statement" that would hit the Repubs where it hurts, in their "extremities".
The big IF in all this is: 1. whether the cabinet could be selected and signed on to early (since everyone has career plans) and 2. whether unity can be maintained. If the slightest bit of bickering appears between the appointees-to-be then the whole strategy would go down the tubes.
I'd be interested to hear what people think about this.. thanks
Here's an idea for the Dem nominee..
At some time after he wins the nomination, The Dem nominee should secure and announce who he would pick for his cabinet IN ADVANCE. VP, Sec of State, Atty. Gen., etc. There are a lot of great options here, and I think it would have a big positive effect on the minds of voters.
What lots of independent/swing voters don't like about Bush is that they elected him as a moderate, and he wound up pushing a radical conservative agenda. This is largely seen as the result of the extreme conservatives in his cabinet: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rove, etc.
If Kerry or Edwards announce their cabinet in advance, he will show how favorably he matches up at these positions. Voters will be forced to consider the Executive Branch AS A TEAM, and weigh performance at each position.
This will make it much easier for Edwards/Kerry to capture the center once he wins the nomination, label the Repubs as undemocratic and nepotistic, and simultaneously negate the "inexperience/leader/resolve" labels Rove and the Repubs will try to pin.
I really think this could work, because this would open multiple lines of attack on Bush's cronies. Each cabinet member could issue their own "position statement" that would hit the Repubs where it hurts, in their "extremities".
The big IF in all this is: 1. whether the cabinet could be selected and signed on to early (since everyone has career plans) and 2. whether unity can be maintained. If the slightest bit of bickering appears between the appointees-to-be then the whole strategy would go down the tubes.
I'd be interested to hear what people think about this.. thanks
Kerry-Edwards cabinet picks
Sec. of State - Richard Holbrook
UN Rep. - Al Gore
National Sec adviser - Anthony Zinni
DoD - Wesley Clark
Treasury - Brad Delong
Federal Reserve - Alan Blinder
Healthcare Task Force - Howard Dean
WH political adviser - Atrios
UN Rep. - Al Gore
I'd love to see Bill Clinton take Kofi Anon's place at the UN.
The stress it would cause most right-wingers would be priceless, especially if Kerry's president.
I start laughing just thinking about it.
WH political adviser - Atrios BobNJ
Think they'll let Atrios bring along his posse -- us? (not me, personally ... just saying...)
SWR, I agree with your UN pick ...
Bad Jim:
John Kerry in Barbarella? Easier done than said!
Alright, so I'm not going to be posting to Fark anytime soon...
Kerry/Graham. (throw peaceniks a bone, willya?)
Edwards as AG
Way OT, but: Look! Listen! Vibrate! SMiLE!!!
Condoleeza Rice's second cousin (Cynthia? dammit, I can't remember her name now!)
She's Constance Rice, a founder and director of the Advancement Project in Los Angeles.
"If it weren't for the possibility of Osama being yanked out of a hole during the Republican Convention, I'd be feeling pretty good about the chances of ditching Bushco."
Well, when that happens, I can only hope that there are at least some courageous members of the Press who will point out how strangely coinicidental it is that, just a month or so before the election, the Bush regime manages to pull Osama out of a proverbial hat (esp since they were unable to find him for more than two years). One can only hope. Hell, I'm still waiting for the story about how it the Kurds who actually handed Saddam over to us to gain traction.
Correction: "How it was the Kurds"...Typos suck!!
Excerpt from "Peggy Noonan explains how to perform a 45-minute blowjob" (thanks for the link above Anon):
"Intellectuals start all the trouble in the world."
When does the book burning start?
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pawir,
I like your idea of a shadow cabinet, but as you say, it would require a party loyalty ethic not often seen in our history (the current rethuglicans being the grotesque exception).
Kei and Yuri,
Have you ever seen Rick Mercer's "Talking To Americans" schtick? OMG...
I.
Liberals love to use dead servicemen/women for political purposes don't they?
Uhh.....just what do you think the decision not to attend any arrivals by Bush/Rove is???
Or, the use of NYC as near to 9/11 as they could for their convention???
Cynical political manipulation of whatever will serve their ends is the ONLY thing this Administration is about, but I guess you don't get that perpsective from up W's ass.
I am sick to death of Bush ass-kissers lamenting the faults of supposed leftists with the overwhelming evidence of Bush's cynicism and lies.
Liberals love to use dead servicemen/women for political purposes don't they?
Uhh.....just what do you think the decision not to attend any arrivals by Bush/Rove is???
Or, the use of NYC as near to 9/11 as they could for their convention???
Cynical political manipulation of whatever will serve their ends is the ONLY thing this Administration is about, but I guess you don't get that perpsective from up W's ass.
I am sick to death of Bush ass-kissers lamenting the faults of supposed leftists with the overwhelming evidence of Bush's cynicism and lies.
SWR, I agree with your UN pick ...
I don't like any of them but Kerry as President, Hillary as Senate Majority Leader and Bill Clinton as head of the UN would be just enough to drive most of the right over the deep end.
And you want Al Gore as Secretary of the Interior, not as rep to the UN, Secretary of the Interior or some kind of position as "Environmental Czar."
Sweet, sweet, sweet.
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Liberals love to use dead servicemen/women for political purposes don't they?
Well fuck, didn't bush kill them for political gain in the first place?
Not long ago, I remember Letterman telling a joke explaining how the Democratic primaries work....concluding with something like, "and that that nominee will go on to lose to George W. Bush in a landslide." Looks like he's caught up with the changing political climate.
And you want Al Gore as Secretary of the Interior, not as rep to the UN, Secretary of the Interior or some kind of position as "Environmental Czar." SWR
You're on a roll! This would absolutely do it! Gets my engines goin' ...
That's an impressively white, male cabinet y'all are imagining putting together for the Democrats.
Passion of Christ, I hope Dennis' eight points are the basis Rove's campaign blueprint.
I'll grant him one thing, listening to Kerry speak for five minutes doesn't have the same thrill as waiting for dip shit to fuckup.
Jane Fonda may indeed be unpopular with many, but unlike he equally loathed John Ashcroft, she doesn't have her hands on the Constitution.
I think the phrase is "bring'em on."
Passion of Christ, I hope Dennis' eight points are the basis Rove's campaign blueprint.
A while ago, Dennis reported patriotically that he was volnteering at the local repub headquarters. Soon after, he started posting repub talking points; it wouldn't be surprise to learn where he heard them.
Put the U in volunteer.
The best thing about Bush's political demise would be an end to the control of foreign policy by the Neocons who lied us into this war and who are pushing for more wars. (Syria,Iran)
They are now trying to shift the blame for their lies. Raimondo at antiwar.com has a great piece on this:
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/
LOVE that David Letterman. Watched him last night on an (Australian) commercial channel.
Sweet, sweet, sweet.
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MinnieB9 | Email | Homepage | 02.21.04 - 1:35 pm | #
I was referring to:
Ha Ha
"It looks like the Bush administration will be handing over power to the Iraqis by June 30th...and, then they'll be handing over power to the Democrats on Nov 2nd."
-Letterman
(big applause)
Rock on David!
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Speaking of humor, have you heard the audio clips of Bush's Meet the Press interview . Boomhauer Bush
Wes Clark, Tony Zinni, I completely agree, but for the eco team we need Bobby Rubin, Alice Rivlin and Laura Tyson.
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I would like to see Wes as Veep.
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And sooner we say bye bye to Alan Greenspan, the better.
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"Liberals love to use dead servicemen/women for political purposes don't they? Just like Kerry did."
Yeah, and the Commander-in-Chief (TM) has been using American servicemen and women as unpaid extras in his campaign ads ever since 9-11. There's the campaign ad on the USS Abraham Lincoln, the Thanksgiving campaign ad, ad nauseam (pun intended). I believe that's what they call the power of incumbency.
Come to think of it, every exercise in foreign adventurism, domestic police statism, and crony capitalism since 9-11 has been justified by waving the bloody shirt and saying "9-11 changed everything." Even a lot of Republicans are getting patriotism fatigue from watching him wrap himself in the flag and chant "national security." So apparently Bush isn't above using dead New Yorkers for political purposes, is he?
I really don't dispute that Kerry's a piece of shit. My ideal candidate would be Ron Paul.
But unlike some candidates of the past, Kerry's oppo research staff are more than willing to respond by pointing out--with tons of documented evidence--that Bush is an even bigger and more worthless piece of shit. Crony capitalism, sports socialism, insider deals, serial Chapter Elevens, Daddy's friends, and Daddy's money: that's pretty much the career of Dumb W. Ass in a nutshell. He is nothing but human garbage.
And you want Al Gore as Secretary of the Interior, not as rep to the UN, Secretary of the Interior or some kind of position as "Environmental Czar." SWR
RFK, Jr. for EPA
Sure, RFK Jr. for the EPA is an excellent idea.
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RE: Dennis Slater -- "Do you have any idea how much Vietnam veterans hate Jane Fonda? I am not talking about the so-called band of brothers Kerry shamlessly parades in front of crowds and the cameras. Read what happened to Hanoi Jane in Waterbury, CT some time ago."
I speak as someone who lost his father -- MAJ Donald E. Koelper, USMC -- in the early stages of the Vietnam War. He was the 225th American to lose his life in a conflict that eventually claimed over 58,000 American lives, and millions of Vietnamese live.
I consider holding any sort of grudge over perceived past slights to be a complete waste of my time, regardless of whether I'm holding it personally or having to hear about it from someone else.
In fact, I've even thought about developing a serious grudge against people who continue to express their hatred of Jane Fonda because of her perceived role in the anti-war movement -- but I've really got better things to do.
Those Americans who acted according to their own conscience during that divisive period in our history, and were part of the anti-war movement, were motivated as much by their love of country as any veteran who served. It's long since time that people recognize that, and stop re-fighting the old battles of yore.
To be sure, there were those persons on all side, like a young Jane Fonda, whose passion led to excess -- but those were certainly passionate and excessive times, to say the least.
Ms. Fonda has long since publicly apologized for her 1972 journey to Hanoi, during the midst of war. I genuinely appreciate her sincerity and her apparent remorse for hurting veterans. Why can't you? Are you that emotionally stunted, that you would allow events from 30 years ago to continue to dictate your current actions and thinking?
We are now approaching the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon and the end of the war. While none of us will ever forget our personal losses, I've moved on, my mother has moved on, and my family has moved on.
I would respectfully suggest that you do the same. You need to relieve yourself of your heavy burden, and cast down that chip you've been carrying so prominently on your shoulder. I guarantee that your personal outlook on life will improve measurably, once you've stopped playing the unbecoming part of a victim of our long-ago national tragedy.
Aloha and good night.
Semper fi --
DONALD R. KOELPER
Mahalo for an awesome post, Donald from Hawaii. Made my night.
I wanted Clark, or second-best Dean,
But the best were trashed by the Smear Machine.
Denied my vote, denied my voice,
I'll take revenge with my remaining choice:
Vote for Kerry
Not the Flight-Suit Fairy.
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