I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first
2nd, so who are they screwin? our female soldiers? halliburton chicks?
Hey, at least they're having safer sex, right?
His opening monologue went like this:
"So the United States has said that it is holding firm on it's committment to transfer power to the Iraqis on June 30th.
Yes, and apparently, by the look of things, George W. Bush is poised to transfer power to the Democrats on November 2nd."
The applause was HUGE!
Nothing like spreading the word of Democracy AND Jesus...Oh and getting laid to boot!
Pansypoo - why do you assume they're sleeping with women? Notice the soldier who "can't keep enough condoms in stock" goes unnamed in the article. That complies with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
Now - let's hear what the ef is happening in the Governor's Mansion in Texas!!!
My fault for the double post. Didn't see Atrios post it earlier...Just wanted to tell someone..hehe [/nervous laughter]
Isn't it like the inter-office pages getting it on. We knew this already didn't we? There's a whole, "Meet me outside the supply tent" vibe going on.
ah, the perks of imperialism...
Well, clearly they're not practicing the president's abstinence plan.
A.
Isn't that nice? Speaking of abstinence, I had some kids come to my door tonight trying to raise funds for their church's 'abstinence program for teenagers'.
I told them firmly that abstinence programs don't work and I supported sex education. And no, I wasn't going to buy any of their greeting cards.
And yes, I was polite, they were just kids. It just pisses me off.
There is NO SEX in the GREEN Z--oh, belay that, I guess there is.
what the hell is that page about?
seriously, how is that a part of US News?
I knew that it was a fairly crappy news magazine and all, but who put the 15 year old in charge?
Lobster tail? What of those of us who are allergic to lobster?
Recall that lobster was considered trash not so long ago.
Is 'lobster tail' a euphemism for Iraqi poon?
And when will the military start allowing gay marriages among soldiers?
I couldn't find the article. I didn't even realize it was a real news magazine. I thought it was a lame, although not rabid, Bushie site. Seems the less attn I pay to the mainstream media, the worse it gets. Is it just me? Have they really gotten that bad in the last 10 years? Am I going crazy? Or was I just brainwashed before.
Well, clearly they're not practicing the president's abstinence plan
Silly Athenae, sex is for high-placed Republican functionaries!
One has to ask who they're fu*cking over there?
MYOB'
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OT, but der Gropenfuehrer returns to his Nazi roots:
"Our civilized society and legal system is based upon a respect for and adherence to the rule of law," Schwarzenegger wrote in a letter to Lockyer. "The City and County of San Francisco's unfortunate choice to disregard state law and grant marriage certificates to gay couples directly undermines this fundamental guarantee."
The Republican governor "feels that we've come to a point where we're starting down a dangerous path and it leads to anarchy at some point," Stutzman said. "It's time for this to end."
Bring it on, motherfucker!
"Like lobster tail dinners for those living in the protected U.S. Green Zone. And then there's the nightlife. An Army doctor reveals that he can't keep enough condoms in stock."
Maybe the condoms are sliced open and used as lobster bibs.
Imagine how difficult it is to find a decent dry cleaner over there...yikes!
Hmmmh. I bet there's a connection between the lobster tails and the condoms, but not the same suggested above.
Lefteye--I stand corrected on DL's frat status. Google reveals that there's even a book on the subject:
The Sweetheart of Sigma Chi: David Letterman, the College Years
Author:
Jeff Lewis
Guild Press of Indiana October, 1997 Paperback
ISBN: 1578600219
Somehow this volume escaped my attention; I must have been too busy reading the Quentin Tarantino bio wherein QT's mother revealed the inspiration for the title Reservoir Dogs.
In the spirit of Bushco, I stand by my original statement, even though it's wrong--has anyone ever heard DL mention his frat on his show? I suspect on some level he's deeply embarassed by fratdom. And as a dorm guy myself, DL has always reminded me of the guys who used to hang out in the commons room waching Star Trek reruns and the local news with an expert satirical eye. I don't imagine DL putting up with road trips and self-denunciations rituals with any grace, but I guess that shows I've bought the image he likes to project.
AAARGH--I posted that on the wrong thread--sorry
four legs good--
And yes, I was polite, they were just kids. It just pisses me off.
Yeah, you could have told them to go fuck themselves.
Perhaps they can't keep enough condoms in stock because they are estimating the demand based on the number of women in the green zone?
Sorry, I remember now, don't ask...
Bring it on, motherfucker!
The Shriverbanger will find himself not only on the wrong side of history real soon, but on the wrong side of the Governor's office the next time we here in California have a chance to vote. I look forward to the people of the Golden State smashing that condom filled with walnuts.
Ah no, they aren't using those rubbers for sex - they are using them to cover the barrels of that thingy that can kill people ... the metal and plastic thingy that goes bang-bang.
"There is absolutely no sexual activity in the US Army in Iraq, and when I say 'none,' I mean there is a certain amount, but we have it relatively under control, and it is the Marines that now have the biggest problem in that area."
http://www.salon.com/news/featur...rors/
index.html
A slightly different take on the Green Zone...
halliburton supplied hookers doing the bagdhad boogie.
I've always wanted to ask those old farts who write letters to the editor blasting gay degenerates and always have Lt.Col (ret.) or something like it after their name, When you had all those young fellows under your command, did you give them regular abstinnence lectures? Did you tell them the evils and immorality of sex outside of marriage? Of the evils of sex with prostitutes, especially underaged prostitutes? Did you, huh?
And if you didn't do it then why should anyone listen to you now?
And why don't our wonderful clergy, the professionals and the self-appointed mullahs of our punditry take on the job of convincing all those young people in the military of their duty to save it. After all the military is famous for its sexual sinning. As I recall, the bible insisted on the necessity of the Army of God being moral, at least till they won and got to divide up the virgins after they killed everyone else.
Let's not forget that DynCorp was involved in girl slavery when it was working in Bosnia.
I think pbb is not exaggerating.
Somebody really ought to look into this.
If the media freaked over a semen stained dress and a hot intern, what do suppose they'd do over young children arrested and sold as sexual slaves by a subsidiary of Dick Cheney in Baghdad?
Who are the American Army boinking in Iraq? Iraqi women, who the hell did you think they were banging?
Women desperate to get money are having sex with the America's conquering soldiers. Like it never happened before.
But I don't think it goes down very well with the local populace that we are turning their women into whores.
Hopefully those women can be extricated when we leave, but I doubt it.
Back during the Iran-Iraq war, Basra developed into the "the place" for Kuwaiti and Saudi males to go for a little booze and a little strange. Hey, Iraqi economy wasn't doing very well (foreign currenty was welcome) and much of the able-bodied men folk were off fighting.
Basra was also a popular place for Western expats in Kuwait and Saudi to go for R&R.
Looks like someone was jerking der Gropenfuehrer's strings:
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, facing mounting calls for action from within his own party, ordered Attorney General Bill Lockyer on Friday to intervene immediately to stop San Francisco from granting marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
In a letter to Lockyer, Schwarzenegger directed the state's top lawyer to "to take immediate steps" to obtain a court ruling that the city's actions are illegal.
"Our civilized society and legal system is based upon a respect for and adherence to the rule of law," the governor wrote. "The City and County of San Francisco's unfortunate choice to disregard state law and grant marriage certificates to gay couples directly undermines this fundamental guarantee. As Attorney General, you have the authority to take legal action to require the City and County of San Francisco to comply with the laws of the State.
"Because the City and County of San Francisco's actions are directly contrary to state law and present an imminent risk to civil order, I hereby direct you to take immediate steps to obtain a definitive judicial resolution of this controversy."
The Schwarzenegger administration released the letter shortly before the governor addressed the California Republican Party convention in Burlingame...
Shorter Ahnuld: Vot vould mein dear olt dad haff done?
Well, we've seen that in Cuba in the 50s, in Nam in the 60s, Japanese did it with Korean women in the 40s.
Another funny note:
""If you drink water straight from the river, you have a greater chance of getting an infection than you do if you drink urine."
HOWARD DEAN, presidential hopeful, at a Wisconsin middle school"
Is Howard Dean the new Tyler Durden?
I heard the Iraqi whores were putting razors in their vaginas!
OT, but keep watching this space, Texans:
http://www.agonist.org/archives/
...666.html#013666
or
http://tinyurl.com/3gves
Didn't they used to say during WWII that every woman in France who gave a Nazi the clap was a freedom fighter? Same thing in Iraq, except every women who gives an American soldier a STD is a terrorist.
When does Bush suggest a $1.5 billion program for the Army to promote an abstinence only plan- with the money going to Halliburton, of course.
Y'know, right after Sept. 11 my local paper, a generally sensible thing, published a story about "why they hate us," they being Muslims and Arabs, talking to people of Palestinian descent (since that's mostly who's settled around here) about why there's resentment of Americans.
Part of me was really glad they'd done that story instead of going with the usual "because they're evil," answer, but looking at shit like this, a bigger part of me says, "Do you even have to fucking ask?"
A.
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dave:
Nice catch. I particularly liked "an imminent risk to civil order" - you know: filing joint tax returns; being given toasters; being happy. All those things which will destroy society as we know it..
Re: upthread mention of DynCorp.
Guess what BushCo's human trafficker cronies are doing in Iraq. Training the police corps (with Vinnell) of course. Nothing like having known sex slavers establishing the standards for law & order.
[rant] Too bad coverage of drama-queen Bush's fainting spells over "rape rooms" doesn't describe how the chaos of post-invasion stripped Iraqi women -- the most educated and professional in the Middle East -- of the basic right of being able to leave their homes.
Kidnap and rape gangs have made women and girls virtual prisoners in their homes. Things wouldn't be this way if the power-obsessed puppet council hadn't obliterated whatever civic structure massive bombing didn't destroy. (Imagine any major city without a working police force for a weekend. Now imagine it after months of lawlessness.)
And now Iraqi women and girls -- the 60% of the population no one writes about -- are fighting an uphill battle against losing their rights to the hardline theocracy in ascendancy, also thanks to Bush's assholery. He could have let UN inspectors do their work, followed by the UN-supervised elections scheduled for late 2003 ... but nooooooo! Better to reduce Iraqi women's choice between oppression by Occupier or oppression by Islamic hardliners.
Yep, I hate the fucker and with good reason. He and his cronies have eroded democracy at home and abroad more than Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction program related activities ever could, and that's not personal or partisan rhetoric -- the depressing evidence is a matter of public record throughout the world. Check out PatriotWatch, Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International for the long, dismal list of fallout from AWOL's post-9/11 adventures. Thousands have died and literally millions have seen their rights rolled back because of Commander Crotch's ideo-corporate lootfest AKA Mah Personal War on Terra and Stuff.
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When you aren't being shot at or blown up being in a colonial army can be quite pleasant. If you don't particularly care about the people over whom you have the power. And let's face it, most 19 or 20 year olds don't.
"Bennies??" Chalk that one up as new to me.
Now, we know why General J.C. Christian has urgent business "in Captiol City" this weekend.
Metrosexually yours,
When you aren't being shot at or blown up being in a colonial army can be quite pleasant. If you don't particularly care about the people over whom you have the power. And let's face it, most 19 or 20 year olds don't.
Most 19- and 20-year-olds should not be in the position of making foreign policy on their feet in crisis situations because asshatted politicians regard any type of advance planning as a sign of intellectualism and thus weakness. Most 19- and 20-year-olds should be fucking around in a frat house like their Commander in Chief was, not getting their asses shot off in Iraq because George W. Bush don't habla that Arabic so good and can't tell one man in a turban from another.
Everything about this sucks.
A.
my Nonna tells me that in Florence, after the Germans were run out by the Allies, the women who screwed the German soldiers were grabbed and had their hair forcibly shaved off. The shame followed them for years.
I wonder what's going to happen to the Iraqi women screwing the American occupation soldiers...
Look, I live in the "Green Zone," I can't say it's too bad (except for the rockets and mortars occasionally). I have a nice trailer, surrounded by colorful sandbags.
Baghdad is a nice town, I like to go out (I hope that no suicide bombers are around when I pass through the gate, or those pesky IEDs or snipers).
Yeah, lobster tail, fresh out of the freezer, once a month or so. The rest of the time we have chicken. Yes, there are women around, the ratio is not that favorable, though, about 10-2. We do get Friday mornings off, so it's not all 18 hour days! Unless we have work to do.
You know, I wouldn't be anywhere else, but I'm sorry that my living conditions are not squalorous enough for you.
Peanut, I hear you, and are you ever right on.
This is the issue we can bury the republicans with if we play it right. Are you listening, liberal media?
Athenae, you are also sooo right. The lessons a lot of 19-20 year old men are learning right now in Iraq about life and their sexuality are to say the least, perverted.
And I'm not talking about strawberry oil in the hot tub fun kind of stuff friendly grown-ups do to have fun with each other.
I'm talking about sexual slavery and violence perversions. I'm talking about perversion that John Ashcroft turns a blind eye to because its standard operating procedure for his own constituency. These kids are in the absolute most malleable stage in their sexual development, and it's all being twisted towards manipulation of the helpless.
This has to be stopped. The best way to stop it is get it on the front page of the New York Times and show the connection to the ones sanctioning it (DynCorp-Halliburton-Cheney). Suggestions, anyone?
kelley b.
Talk to Kristof. He cares about the sex slave trade. I'd be he'd be over there right away to examine the plight of the women.
nice rant, peanut
That's Nick Kristof.
and that should be I'd bet he'd be over there right away to exmamine the plight of the women
I mean, I agree, peanut. We should all hate what that ass has done-- especially to the women of Iraq.
Pansypoo - why do you assume they're sleeping with women? Notice the soldier who "can't keep enough condoms in stock" goes unnamed in the article. That complies with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
Giving out condoms is actually a pretty sensible thing to do.
Getting all worked up about American soldiers sleeping with the locals (male or female) or getting some frozen lobster tail is silly.
It's probably just propaganda coming out of the military anyway. I'm sure any student at any State U in America has a much better life than any of the "conquerers" in Iraq.
The plutocrats or the Bible thumpers or the neocon idealogues are the criminals, not a few foot soldiers or Iraqi prositutes.
When I was there, all I got was hard boiled eggs and jacking off in my sleeping bag.
Kelley b, other than pestering mainstream media and your congresscritters, just get the word out in your own way, however and whenever you discuss BushCo (email links, conversation, homepage, local activism.) Lather, rinse and repeat.
Sad that his mention of "opposition" to sex slavery major speeches got coverage, but no mainstream media source mentioned he rewarded the human traffickers DynCorp with a fat Iraq contract. (sigh)
OT but it improved my breakfast: Another judge tells anti-gay-marriage conservative group to talk to the hand. Here it is tiny:
http://tinyurl.com/36dhl
And kelley b., you have NO CLUE what it's like here, for troops or CPA.
Here's my suggestion: STFU until you visit Baghdad and see what's going on.
US troops are not running around into whorehouses; there is some "fraternization" between Iraqis and Coalition in the Green Zone, but from what I've seen, it's more like a 5th grade playground: talk and handholding, flirting. The marriage between the two Fla. National Guard guys and the Iraqi women being an extreme example.
Force Protection rules and common sense dictate that you can't just jet into town to shag a prostitute.
CIA admits it withheld Iraq arms data from U.N. --- this article hasn't gottten much attention...
http://www.startribune.com/stori...84/
4621007.html
SWR, et al. the post referred to U.S. CIVILIAN MEMBERS of Baghdad's Coalition Provisional Authority NOT military personnel.
I wonder what's going to happen to the Iraqi women screwing the American occupation soldiers...
renato
American troops aren't having sex with the locals.
Here's my suggestion: STFU until you visit Baghdad and see what's going on.
If Jon Corzine had a hard time getting in, what are the odds that an ordinary American could get in?
How many freelance photojournalists, solidarity activists, relief workers, independent media, etc. are going to be cleared to fly into Baghdad?
Probably not many.
We could get Vietnamese moonshine which tasted like diesel fuel. Might have been.
Yeah, I know what you're thinking, wrong war. But the Saudis had Vietnamese contractors who worked doing different things.
American troops aren't having sex with the locals.
As long as the troops are there, I'd honestly have no problem with some enterprising American setting up a whorehouse in the Green Zone and flying in women from Vegas to service American soldiers for a few hundred dollars an hour.
Of course, you could imagine the propaganda value this would have for Al Qaeda.
d-man, if you're still there, what's you feeling about how things are going there. If you can say. What you write might be monitored. I was there the first time attached to the Big Red One.
D-man, if they're not screwing the local women, where are all the condoms going? Could it be that your particular unit had it rougher in the greenzone than others? Or that it's the civilians that are running around?
As long as the troops are there, I'd honestly have no problem with some enterprising American setting up a whorehouse in the Green Zone and flying in women from Vegas to service American soldiers for a few hundred dollars an hour.
Of course, you could imagine the propaganda value this would have for Al Qaeda.
SWR
The US military would never allow that.
Obviously not.
dick brooks, so the CIA withheld info on 21 sites that they must have thought might contain some WMDs, so the Bushies could say, "Here they are, folks. See, we were right!"
Nasty stuff. Tenet's looking more and more culpable, but then, so are the Bushies.
Go get them, Carl.
D-man, if they're not screwing the local women, where are all the condoms going? Could it be that your particular unit had it rougher in the greenzone than others? Or that it's the civilians that are running around?
Boronx
There are women troops in the units especially support troops.
Boronx, they're usually fugly ugly, too.
dick brooks, RF posted this story in another thread, but he links to a NYTimes article.
It is getting attention.
There are women troops in the units especially support troops.
Mabye we could send the Bush twins over to do their patriotic duty and provide some real support for the troops.
Of course that's terribly sexist, isn't it?
C'mon d-man, tell me what's going on there. We don't know here back stateside.
ATRIOS! ATRIOS!
OT-SCHWARZENEGGAR TO FIGHT GAY MARRIAGE!
at "homepage"
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d-man can't say. He's being monitored.
ATRIOS! ATRIOS!
OT-SCHWARZENEGGAR TO FIGHT GAY MARRIAGE!
at "homepage"
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kei & yuri
Yeah, isn't that great. A heterosexual sexual harassment criminal wants to define marriage.
How many freelance photojournalists, solidarity activists, relief workers, independent media, etc. are going to be cleared to fly into Baghdad?
Probably not many.
SWR
Passport restrictions have been lifted, IIRC, so couldn't people just fly into Jordan and then drive or be driven to the border?
I mean, clearly you wouldn't want to just be wandering around, but surely there have to be other ways of getting in than waiting for flights. D-man, what's the border control situation like?
I'm curious now.
A.
OT-SCHWARZENEGGAR TO FIGHT GAY MARRIAGE!
Beat ya!
Yeah, it's obvious, d-man and others there are being monitored. Another thing, how come every time there's an explosion, they report on those immediately killed, but they never update those who were wounded? Are we to believe that ever troop who was wounded so far pulled through?
The adminstration is under-reporting the troops who were killed. Instead of over 500, it's probably closer to a 1000.
Passport restrictions have been lifted, IIRC, so couldn't people just fly into Jordan and then drive or be driven to the border?
If I spoke fluent Arabic, I might consider doing something exactly like this.
But since you could get arrested for taking photos on a military base in New Jersey, getting into the Green zone and nosing about might just be a bit more difficult.
Lobsters and sex in Saddam's palaces? Welcome to the new colonial masters, not much different than the old local ones.
No rape rooms, at least. That we know of.
Don't feel so bad, d-man. There are 10,000 dead Iraqi civilians who have it worse.
they report on those immediately killed, but they never update those who were wounded? Are we to believe that ever troop who was wounded so far pulled through?
Do you mean that if they can get you on a plane in time and airlift you to Germany and you die there, they don't count you?
Lobsters and sex in Saddam's palaces? Welcome to the new colonial masters, not much different than the old local ones.
No rape rooms, at least. That we know of.
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Don't feel so bad, d-man. There are 10,000 dead Iraqi civilians who have it worse.
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C'mon guys. It's not like that. I'm disappointed that d-man doesn't speak out but I understand.
So the Bush administration has a jobs policy after all. Maybe they should put Neil in charge.
Do you mean that if they can get you on a plane in time and airlift you to Germany and you die there, they don't count you?
SWR
No they don't. They only report those immediately killed. And then they start from the last immediately killed number when the next 'immediately killed' happens again.
SWR, there must have been many more who were severly wounded who later died but they've never counted them.
You have to assume that Iraqi women are prostituting themselves. The Shiite clerics will find this most endearing.
The political enforced Force Protection may very well kill my Nephew, it most certainly already is killing the keystone Iraqi's;;; gives new meaning to "give a phucK"...
I could provide an exhuastive analysis to support my prediction, but I am becoming less inclined to prove the obvious, to those less-inclined, then I have been in the past... Translation? Do your own goddamned homework, meanwhile I need to prepare my sister...
For those who care not to infect their "beautiful minds" with harsh realities void on our domesticated NTSC media, herewith a glimpse on the shallow byproduct of MR Unelected's escapades via a
Crystal Ball into Memorial Day and beyond-
Sickening that oil futures will be inversely proportional to cheapsuits favorability ratings, when that, in fact, should be the last thing that should be.
Goodwill to you, whereever you may roam-
Yeah, I know what you're thinking SWR, just like me: why haven't these families spoken out? I don't know.
Yeah, I know what you're thinking SWR, just like me: why haven't these families spoken out? I don't know.
I'm amazed at the callous attitudes that a lot of Bush supporters have towards American casualties in Iraq. If I hear the "but they're volunteers" or the "but it's more dangerous to drive on an American highway argument" again, my head's going to explode.
I don't like being an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole, but when somebody like this really pisses me off I tend to counter with something like "well, more Americans die in auto accidents than on 9/11" or "well the perecentage of Israelis killed by terrorists is a lot lower than the percentage of American soldiers killed in Iraq."
Then, when I get the "but soldiers are different from civilians" response, I can argue that said Bush supporter is acknowledging that the Iraqi resistence just might not be the equivalent of terrorism.
It usually drives them nuts.
But on a more serious note, most people who support the war simply don't care about American casualties. They think it's "soft" or that it shows you "lack will."
Maybe Kristof is supplying Baghdad with Cambodian teenagers ....
i had considered that possibility, but i thought IWaq was a bit more rational than afganistan.
OT, but an update on Steve Gilliard:
Well, looks like Gilly is on his last leg of his Inter-Hospital Journey! As of last night, he officially started rehab at Mount Sinai, and should be out by the end of next week. He's raring to get back to business, and to go about the long task of full recovery. He'll share more details when he's back, but he will still need dialysis for a while, and other stuff from the Visiting Nurse Service. However, he looks ten times better than he did after the surgery, and his spirits are high.
Oh, and he told me to remind the folks that keep wishing him dead to suck his dick. 
I wonder what the pregnancy rates are in the female ranks of the American Military?
I seem to remember it being discussed some months ago on General Hackworth's site www.sfft.org/
(Soldiers for the Truth),but can't find it now....
where are all the condoms going?
Honestly, probably to guys who want to go solo and who want to keep the process neat.
ooopss...thats www.sftt.org/
You know, I wouldn't be anywhere else, but I'm sorry that my living conditions are not squalorous enough for you.
hey, d-man: the point isn't about lobster tail or any other kind of tail; it's about the way that the Green Zone has been turned into an exclusion zone, meaning that too many of the bureacrats -- not the troops -- are running a country from what's basically another country. They don't call it 'the Bubble' for nothing.
You've seen Godfather 2, right? Think of the scenes set in Cuba...
As long as the troops are there, I'd honestly have no problem with some enterprising American setting up a whorehouse in the Green Zone and flying in women from Vegas to service American soldiers for a few hundred dollars an hour.
Of course, you could imagine the propaganda value this would have for Al Qaeda.
And all this as part of our war to bring our American values and "morality" to the rest of the world, huh?
And even though you admit it would be of prop value to Al Qaeda, you still think it OK?
And people wonder why they "hate"us??
"Hey, you don't folks don't mind if we invade your country, and oh, by the way- we'll be flying in some whores to service our guys."
Jeez, are you by chance a Bush advisor?- sounds his like his kind of asisine thinking...anything some "enterprising entrpreneur" can dream up is OK by you.
"Hey, you don't folks don't mind if we invade your country, and oh, by the way- we'll be flying in some whores to service our guys."
Yeah. Why not? We fly in food don't we? For a 21 year old male, sex is almost as much a necessity.
Yeah. Why not? We fly in food don't we? For a 21 year old male, sex is almost as much a necessity.
SWR
They wont do that. They're having sex with some fugly ugly women troops and the last thing they want is a kid when they go back home to their wives. And women troops are the worst. No matter how ugly they are, in that situation, they get an incredible amount of attention.
They wont do that. They're having sex with some fugly ugly women troops and the last thing they want is a kid when they go back home to their wives. And women troops are the worst. No matter how ugly they are, in that situation, they get an incredible amount of attention.
I lived in Southeast Alaska for awhile. I know the effect. Any woman gets attention.
And of course I was being facetious with my "fly in whores from Vegas" idea but still, you put a lot of 20-25 year old men in a confined space and deprive them of sex and they're going to get very angry, frustrated and violent.
If you had a few hundred whores flown in from Vegas (or the Bush twins and the Junior League of Texas pulling volunteer duty) you'd probably save some of the local women a lot of grief.
gotta love that "safe" rape...
Oh well, I'm back. I had to do some . . work. It wasn't that I was hauled away by the CPA police for posting here.
As far as the condoms go; I'm not disputing there's sex going on here, in fact there is enough of a population in the green zone, male and female, to ensure that there is. There are even married couples. It's by no means a party here, though. Until you've been startled by the whoooosh . . . WHAM of a 122 mm rocket, until you've "hit the deck" on one of the dusty roads here, you haven't, well . . hit the deck on a dusty road. I'm sure that there is some rocket-anxiety relief sex going on, like: Baby we might get blown up any second here, so let's . . . That's civilian CPA, and KBR and other contractors that I'm talking about. Male and female military, I don't know, but there are a lot of women soldiers in the Army now. And I had one gay man flirting with me here.
I did hear a sardonic comment on the condoms in the Green Zone PX, to the effect of: Why are they selling these for? So it's not like this is Ft. Lauderdale at spring break.
I did hear about some army units having "jerk-off" rooms, where you had to knock before you entered, lest you meet a fellow soldier performing solo stress-relief. As L says, the condoms might be going there.
The rest of the situation: If consumer confidence is an index of the confidence of people in their future, then the Iraqis have a lot of confidence in their future. The streets of Baghdad are very lively during the day, lots of goods being sold. I've been in some pretty nice shops and restaurants, but I probably broke some force protection rule by doing so. Still, I'm around.
One reason for the electricity problems is that demand is growing faster than we have been able to grow electrical supply: people are buying refrigerators, A/Cs, TVs, satellite dishes, etc. But we are going to be letting about $8 billion in contracts to upgrade electricity, water, other infrastructure between now and June.
In my contacts over several provinces of Iraq, I believe that the Iraqis are very glad that Saddam is gone. I haven't been to the "triangle," e.g. Fallujah, but if what I see in Baghdad and the Shia south is any indication, people are very relieved to be rid of that a-hole. The palace itself is an indication: the pomposity, megalomania, waste in that palace and the umpteen other palaces is proof enough that Saddam was a bad guy. Then there's the plastic shredder used for people, Uday's raping, the mass graves near Babylon and other places. This guy was evil, and I only hope for the sake of the good Iraqis I have met and worked with at the palace (a couple of whom died at the Assassin's Gate bombing), men and women who truly believe in democracy and free speech, that we don't just cut and run because of the "shallow leftism," as Orwell would have said, and fake pacifism of people like some of the posters here.
The paradox is this: Whatever you
I only hope for the sake of the good Iraqis I have met and worked with at the palace (a couple of whom died at the Assassin's Gate bombing), men and women who truly believe in democracy and free speech, that we don't just cut and run because of the "shallow leftism," as Orwell would have said, and fake pacifism of people like some of the posters here.
If you have a genuinely fair election, whoever wins can either invite the American troops to stay or ask them to leave.
See, you lost me here Then there's the plastic shredder used for people, Uday's raping, the mass graves near Babylon and other places. This guy was evil, and I only hope
SWR, this guy is a full of hot crap. He's not there. He's a freeper.
SWR, he's not there, man.
d-man, fuck you, you piece of crap.
As a support troop, which unit are you attached to?
Hey, not saying there aren't freepers in support troops there, but they're the ones behind Cathoid Ray Tubes while others are out there on patroll.
So the civvies are having lobster tail dinners and plenty of (safe) sex, what is happening to the troops, are they having nice dinners and plenty of sex too or are they suffering out there.
Sounds to me like they are the ones deprived while their spouses are 1000s of miles away.
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Absolutely right. But there are some things that are a predicate to a "fair election." I know that it sounds condescending and colonialist, but even some of the most educated and liberal Iraqis have a hard time getting their heads around concepts like free speech and religious and political tolerance. 35 years of Saddam has distorted people's minds in ways that I couldn't have imagined, a syndrome: reliance on central authority for everything, frequent inability to work for a common purpose, intolerance of other views, and a pervasive inability to trust other Iraqis, a pervasive belief that others are cheating you (even when it's not true), the real fact of corruption, etc.
SWR, I think people are concerned because it is not the troops who getting the lobster tail and the sex, it is the Bremer Uber-lordy civvies.
Meanwhile there may still be a rule passed by a Rethug feller in Congress that bans the selling of even Playboy and Playmate and such on military bases.
Yeah and if a female soldier needs reproductive services she can’t get them on the base even if the bases are where her family is and where she would get the best friend and family support.
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C'mon d-man, don't get all freeper on us and not answer for ever. Tell me now. You're reading this.
Absolutely right. But there are some things that are a predicate to a "fair election." I know that it sounds condescending and colonialist, but even some of the most educated and liberal Iraqis have a hard time getting their heads around concepts like free speech and religious and political tolerance. 35 years of Saddam has distorted people's minds in ways that I couldn't have imagined, a syndrome: reliance on central authority for everything, frequent inability to work for a common purpose, intolerance of other views, and a pervasive inability to trust other Iraqis, a pervasive belief that others are cheating you (even when it's not true), the real fact of corruption, etc.
d-man
Yeah, and afterwards, pigs sorta flew.
And the sooner the sorry lobster Bremer has his sorry lobster tail put on a plane and busted all the way home, the better.
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Folks, "d-man" is the usual freeper fake.
I'm a older civilian, not a young troop anymore.
You doubt the mass graves? Then we have nothing to discuss, I guess.
I'm basically homeless in the blogs anyways: I can't stand the racism, fascism and rabidity of the freepers, and I can't stand the superciliousness and denial of the facts in this place
I'm basically homeless in the blogs anyways: I can't stand the racism, fascism and rabidity of the freepers, and I can't stand the superciliousness and denial of the facts in this place
d-man
This is our best in Iraq?
SWR, this guy is a full of hot crap. He's not there. He's a freeper.
His answer did sound a bit more like cut and paste ideology than it did like something a grunt in Iraq would say.
d-man, I still don't believe you're there. Tell me something I would know, as someone who was there before, would know.
What's your problem, Mars dude? See a shrink about that hostility.
Well, it's 2143 here, I'm tired, and have a couple of emails to answer.
Goodnight.
Absolutely right. But there are some things that are a predicate to a "fair election." I know that it sounds condescending and colonialist, but even some of the most educated and liberal Iraqis have a hard time getting their heads around concepts like free speech and religious and political tolerance.
Just in case you are real, the only way that you do "get your head around a concept like free speech and religious tolerance" is to go through the trial and error of a democracy.
Americans are far from perfect in terms of "getting their heads around a concept like free speech and tolerance" and our elections are far from perfect.
So let the Iraqis have a one man/one vote election and include on that ballot a referendum about the presence of American troops.
OK, I'll rise to the troll bait: When were you last in Baghdad?
d-man does sound like a freeper, especially with all those buzz words and scary talk about shallow leftism and hoke and paloke, dude, it is not shallow leftism, whatever the heck that is supposed to be, it is Bushie bungling and bamboozling and Bremer’s dishonesty, dancing around and deceit that perpetuated the chaos and confusion out there, OK. Those are the 2 big prollems, which folks are hip to and we are gonna fix 1) by busting Bremer’s sorry tail outta there and 2) by busting Bushie’s sorry tail in November, the longer both stay in position, the longer the mess will continue, only replacing them with solid, smart, experienced folks is gonna mend the trajectory.
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d-man,
Maybe it would help if you stopped looking at the Iraqis as your poor oppressed little American brothers.
Your life is not their's and never will be. You are not Iraqi born and raised and they aren't Americans.
SWR, I think people are concerned because it is not the troops who getting the lobster tail and the sex, it is the Bremer Uber-lordy civvies.
No doubt. The issue here (it seems) is how restricted the information from the troops getting to the rest of us is (and how much they buy into the official line).
The British troops in WWI were fairly free to say what they wanted. Have you ever read Wilfred Owen? Same with American troops in Vietnam. The reason the right is having such a cow about John Kerry is because it shows that the war was so unpopular that even an ambitious young man like Kerry with a political future would come out and blast the war.
OK, I'll rise to the troll bait: When were you last in Baghdad?
D-man. Post a picture of something in Iraq that you took yourself.
If you can't, then it's a comment on how restricted and controlled the troops are, isn't it?
Plenty of pictures came out of Vietnam, right?
Hey d-man = I'd hate to see us cut and run to that shallow rightism that the Bush administration is using by timing everything to fit the US election cycle, rather than predicating decisions on what's actually happening on the ground in Iraq. As for sounding condescendin and colonialist, yes, you do.
Maybe it would help if you stopped looking at the Iraqis as your poor oppressed little American brothers.
I've got to agree with you, sac666. Lo, the poor Iraqi? I certainly have NOT gotten that impression after reading Riverbend and Salem Pax.
Saddam may be gone, but we're not the great saviors some would have us believe.
Good one, Yoda, ha, ha, rock on!
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Yoda, he could have told me about machinery or mail call there, but all he could come up with was "it's night here." Everybody knows it's on the other side of the world, see.
He's a freeper.
Saddam may be gone, but we're not the great saviors some would have us believe.
This is kind of off-topic but what would happen if Schroeder asked us to pull our troops out of Germany?
As anti-American as he's supposed to be, I've never heard of him addressing the issue.
Of course I assume that American troops affect the typical German about as much as Fort Monmouth affects me in New Jersey.
But I don't see myself being dogmatically against the presence of any American troops in Iraq
*if a government elected by a one man-woman/one vote plurality wants them*
The problem it seems (to me) is that most of us don't really understand democracy in the US. Bush can endlesslessly stonewall us with doubletalk. Oh, yes, they're not ready for elections. Oh we were going to have election but security prevented it etc. etc.
So they've have to be under some kind of heavy International presence and somebody would have to provide security for the UN or whoever.
SWR - How can I post a picture on a comments board? I do have some gruesome pictures from a suicide bombing, or would you like a picture of the New Year's Day party at the palace? Or the Saddam heads coming down off the palace?
It's not easy being the Great White Father.
You know, I think I might just vote for Bush just to spite you nitwits.
You know, I think I might just vote for Bush just to spite you nitwits.
d-man
Tell me something only you and I would know.
SWR - How can I post a picture on a comments board?
Like this. It's called a hyperlink.
d-man,
Ethics aren't your strong suit are they?
You know, I think I might just vote for Bush just to spite you nitwits.
I realize you have a personal stake in this war, so why should this surprise anyone? Go ahead, vote for the boy king.
He's going to lose with or without your vote.
d-man, what color are Bedouin tents. Where does their water come from?
I just wish that we didn't have such a chickenshit commander-in-chief who has spent less time in the war zone than has Al Franken.
I do have some gruesome pictures from a suicide bombing, or would you like a picture of the New Year's Day party at the palace? Or the Saddam heads coming down off the palace?
OOPs. That guy won't let me link his pictures. Just get an account on photo.net or pbase and give us the link. Easy. Sign up with a throw away e-mail account and use a proxy if you don't want people knowing who you are.
But I personally don't care really. I'll address whatever arguments you're making and os far all I've seen is an argument that "those people" (in Florida?) aren't ready for elections.
Saddam is gone. OK. Good. But now let's have an election.
BTW. Policing elections isn't really what the American military does best. If I want heavy armor or air-power, I'll call the American military but I think a multinational force in Iraq might work better.
Let me get this straight, Martian-man:
You were in the 1st ID in 1991, in the 1st gulf war. You spent weeks in the desert. You got maybe 50-100 km inside Iraq, if that much.
I'm a civilian in Baghdad, living in the Green Zone in 2004, and I'm supposed to tell you something only you and I would know?
Well, sorry; we have nothing in common, really.
And sorry, SWR, but the UN agrees with me on elections now.
I'm a civilian in Baghdad, living in the Green Zone in 2004, and I'm supposed to tell you something only you and I would know?
You know, the honest opinion of some common soldier is a lot more valuable in some ways than the kind of civilians they've hand picked to go into the Green Zone.
If I want an honest idea of what the social life is like in Mr. Big's office in Goldman Sachs, I'm going to ask his secretary, not some brainwashed little twit of a first year analyst.
What consenting adults do is not my business, or the U.S. guvmint's.
And really, who cares what your friends look like? If they wanna, and you wanna, that's what makes life good. Iraq is like anywhere else.
My issue is the history DynCorp has. Taking little female children and "rescuing" them. Selling them to the highest bidder.
You take a 19 year old male, put him in fear of death, knock him around, make him hungry, tired, and thirsty, and there's nothing the poor bastard won't do for release, especially if he's given no privacy to jerk off (sorry ladies out there, but guys are biologically that way- no intent to offend).
And if he's constantly surrounded by homophobic peers with no regard for human life of the locals, he's gonna take what he can get, even if he knows it's wrong and brutal. If he does it enough, the sorry kid develops a huge callus on his soul.
Not to mention the lives of the innocent girls he ruins.
And sorry, SWR, but the UN agrees with me on elections now.
They said that they want a one man/one vote election when it's possible, right?
They didn't say "those people aren't ready for Democracy."
You see, this is what I mean. Most of us in the US are too naive about how the issue can be double-talked to death. Sistani said he'd only accept "one delay" in the elections.
The problem is that American heavy armor and air-power isn't likely to stabilize the situation in Iraq any time soon so they'll be able to stonewall forever.
I'm a civilian in Baghdad, living in the Green Zone in 2004, and I'm supposed to tell you something only you and I would know?
Well, sorry; we have nothing in common, really.
d-man
So, you're a civilian? Fake ass. Should have known. Why did you suggest you were a troop?
So, you're a civilian? Fake ass. Should have known. Why did you suggest you were a troop?
And how would an American civilian who doesn't speak a word of Arabic know any more about what the Iraqis want then any of us? Unless he's out there mixing with the people speaking their language, he can't.
And from what I hear, American civilians in Iraq tend to be picked from a very small, ideologically rigid group. There are a lot of Bible thumpers and government stooges, not too many people like free-lance photojournalists or neutral observers.
Sorry, I haven't seen any Bedouin tents in Baghdad. I can tell you that. I guess if the Bedouins are here, they get their water from a tap, if they live in central B-dad at least.
And kelley b. - I did mention that there were "jerk-off rooms," at least that's what I've been told by a couple of the troops here. So I guess that widespread raping isn't going on.
And kelley b. - I did mention that there were "jerk-off rooms," at least that's what I've been told by a couple of the troops here. So I guess that widespread raping isn't going on.
Rapists don't jerk off?
Of course, none of really know how many rapes US troops commit, have committed, will commit.
I'm sure it's less than you'd hear about in Al Jazeera and a lot more than the Bush adminstration would admit.
If today's comments from Gen. Jay Garner reported in the National Journal are accurate, the US has no intention whatsoever of allowing the Iraqis free elections because we want to maintain permanent military bases in their country. This was all about gaining our precious mideast "foothold".
American proconsul Paul Bremer has declared that, come hell or high water, the transfer of power will take place on July 1. There's a sense of both resignation and a mad scramble at the CPA. There's no way that everything can get done on time, but Bush is up for reelection four months after that, and they have to get it done.
So, you're a civilian? Fake ass. Should have known. Why did you suggest you were a troop?
And how would an American civilian who doesn't speak a word of Arabic know any more about what the Iraqis want then any of us? Unless he's out there mixing with the people speaking their language, he can't.
And from what I hear, American civilians in Iraq tend to be picked from a very small, ideologically rigid group. There are a lot of Bible thumpers and government stooges, not too many people like free-lance photojournalists or neutral observers.
SWR
SWR, at this point, he may be a Chalibi dis-information recruit. I've never believed in so-called, "rape rooms" or "plastic shredders." I was in the first Gulf War. Remember Iraqi troops and 'throwing babies out of incubators' story?
He had rape rooms!
Well, I'm a technical specialist, not a political type. Where was it that I said I was a troop now? I said "I'm an older civilian" -- scroll up to the 1:40 pm comment.
Lots of Iraqis speak English, too.
And you'd be surprised by the variety of views and types people here.
But just to make you all happy before I go off to the Rasheed Hotel bar or Green Zone cafe to have a couple:
Yes, now (after reading the hostile fatuosities in response to my lightly humorous, non-hostile initial comments) I believe that God sent GWB to save this country. I'll be voting for him in November, just to spite you all. In fact, soon as I finish this comment, I'm going to donate some money to Bush/Cheney 04 out of my hard-earned war profiteer money. What's the max?
SWR, at this point, he may be a Chalibi dis-information recruit. I've never believed in so-called, "rape rooms" or "plastic shredders." I was in the first Gulf War.
Which is why I might believe a soldier over a civilian.
Of course some of the soldiers will be racist assholes. Others will be as open minded as any of us. But one thing that most soldiers will be upfront about (unless they're tightly controlled) is day to day conditions that they have to live under.
If there's some blatent kind of favoritism where Bremer and the bigwags are getting all the good food and sex and the grunts are getting fake turkey we'd hear about it.
But as far as what the Iraqi people think? You really have to speak the language to know that. Some good journalist from a neutral country who actually speaks the language would be the best source, not some American government employee.
Funny too how he offers to post photos of a terrorist attack. That, to me, would be one of the more controlled places, difficult to photograph.
I merely wanted to see some mundane photo of a cafeteria or a TV room or something.
d-man, get a real troop back here to [talk] to me. Don't try to come off as an authority yourself.
I only fear that these poor ignorant Iraqis are just too stupid to ever understand complicated stuff like voting and democracy. The really hard part is trying to teach them that they can only vote for someone approved of by America.
Lots of Iraqis speak English, too.
Lots of people in New Jersey speak French but I wouldn't qualify myself as having an valid opinion on the New Jersey Democrats or Republicans unless I spoke English.
Yes, now (after reading the hostile fatuosities in response to my lightly humorous, non-hostile initial comments) I believe that God sent GWB to save this country. I'll be voting for him in November, just to spite you all. In fact, soon as I finish this comment, I'm going to donate some money to Bush/Cheney 04 out of my hard-earned war profiteer money. What's the max?
d-man
This freeper fuck is sitting in Peoria right now.
Oh, right, sure, I'm sure the US army and all the fundamentalist missonaries would condone that.
Tell me, d-man, who cleans up such rooms? Who ensures no unsanctioned sexual activity occurs there?
C'mon. America's Memory. How've you been lately? Got tired of being banned with your old name? Got tired of being banned as Anonymous along with all the other people that accidently forgot to include their name in a thread?
By all means, hang around, I don't want to release all the dirt I have on DynCorp in my files at once.
For the rest of my colleagues here, I'm usually one of the more paranoid posters here, so perhaps we should all take this with a bit of tinfoil. But this particular troll is here so often and so persistently I'm beginning to wonder if he really isn't a republican operative. He goes way, way beyond freeper.
Today's Unlearned Lessons in History:
I spent about an hour finding this link that I read before the beginning of US Afghan War and this passage stayed with me:
"Still the British seemed to enjoy themselves and settled down to a lifestyle not markedly different from that they lived in the hill-stations of India. They arranged race meetings, played polo, enjoyed amateur dramatics and played cricket, that most boring of England's legacies to the sporting life. Food was plentiful and the Kabuli bazaar merchants eager to do business with their new visitors. Some officers even sent for their wives and families to come join them and it is perhaps a pity that not more had done so for many officers cast lecherous eyes at the dark-eyed women of Kabul and liaisons, not particulary discreet, became common. In a land were pederasty was more often viewed as a preference rather than a sin, this was a dangerous tack to take. The women could be frighteningly willing but their cuckolded husbands remained just that, cuckolds. The bitterness of these men would stoke the fires of Afghan discontent and help lead to disaster. When the city finally exploded and the killing began, they would be in the forefront of the mob. "
For entire story: http://www.geocities.com/Broadwa...ey/5443/
af3.htm
Thanks d-man, as a real troop who served, thanks.
Somebody tell the White House brain trust to update their web site:
Why we went to war
They must not have gotten the David Kay memo.
Anyway, they're not drinking water there "from the tap" as d-man claims even if they're "civilians." They would be drinking bottled water.
He's a shitty freeper fuck.
So, we cut off funding to the safe-sex programs of countries rampant with AIDS...
and then provide condoms for those patronizing the Iraqi prostitution trade?
Next they'll say that such endeavors eliciting GI ejaculations means that 'manufacturing jobs are booming in Baghdad'~
I definitely believe that d-man is writing from a 'jerk off room'...
in his parents' basement.
There are no "jerk off rooms" for American troops. Got it?
That's bullshit.
This is worth repeating:
"Yeah. Why not? We fly in food don't we? For a 21 year old male, sex is almost as much a necessity.
SWR
They wont do that. They're having sex with some fugly ugly women troops and the last thing they want is a kid when they go back home to their wives. And women troops are the worst. No matter how ugly they are, in that situation, they get an incredible amount of attention.
Mars Spirit Rover "
I like that. Nothing like finding the reason for sex problems in the fugly ugly women troops. Of course, the men are selected on the basis of several beauty criteria, so the ugly fugly women troops have nothing to complain about. And in any case, everybody knows that women don't suffer from sexual frustration, ever.
Let me apologize for any offensive comments in this thread, echidne, and assure you such statements do not represent my views or the opinions of our host.
I like that. Nothing like finding the reason for sex problems in the fugly ugly women troops. Of course, the men are selected on the basis of several beauty criteria, so the ugly fugly women troops have nothing to complain about. And in any case, everybody knows that women don't suffer from sexual frustration, ever.
echidne
Well, you know echidne, it wouldn't be so bad if the fugly ugly women troops didn't act like they were all that in that situation, ya know? But they do.
I think Mars Spirit Rover is writing from a 'jerk off room' as well.
It appears he gets quite excited thinking about his attachment to the Big Red One.
Is that some code name for Mars or what you used to 'swordfight' with in Iraq, MSR?
And you're funny sumwon. Can I pat you on the head?
Keep your Big Red One away from me, MRS.
Though MRS may be less than tactful, he has a point. First let me opine that all the sex is probably not happening so much with the locals. It is, to a great extent, among the people who are part of, and basicly confined to, the compounds. The ratio of men to women is no doubt very male heavy. Women in the military are generally not beauty queens (and by no means are the men, they just generally represent a larger cross-sample of the population). They are generally in the military for the same reasons everybody else is, in other words, their being the local beauty wasn't even part of the equation. You women should honestly admit that the cute girls get more breaks in life, much as being white is an advantage to being black. Sexist it is, to deny it is the same as saying race no longer matters. When was the last time you gave some guy you felt was ugly a break? Also realize that there is no doubt some women (perhaps backed by men) who are more than willing to subsidze their pay with a bit of hooking on the side. It ALWAYS happens under such conditions. I shouldn't have to point out that women in such a situation, no matter what they look like or their personalities, get a Hell of a lot of attention from a lot of the guys. Anybody who has ever served in the military on any kind of deployment will, if their honest, admit it.
So please, don't get all rightous about the sexist attitude in the message without admitting to the realities it contains.
OK, whoever is getting the lobster tails and the real tails, the libidinous, hot and heavy,
non-fugly, hugely beautiful, intensely happy, hyper-ventilatory sex, whoever is the folks with the run on the doctor’s condoms, I say, bring it on, bring on these stories, this beats Bremer going around with his bogus sanctimony and his deceitful hokey palokey, you all keep them stories coming, honey, rock on.
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And regardless of who in the Green bubble is having the hot and heavy libidinous sex and making the run on the doctor’s condoms, I just hope our troops of both genders are also getting plenty of lobster tail and real tail, whatever they want. I am sure they are all beautiful and energetic and deserve the best and I hope the married ones among them get to meet their beautiful and handsome spouses and the unmarried ones get to meet their beautiful and handsome lovers and both kinds get to meet their families and that soon we bounce Bushie and start fixing the trajectory out there, thank you.
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d-man, everyone knows the place is gonna get fixed one way or another, but it is gonna get fixed on the terms and conditions which are OK with the folks in the region and with the folks in the community.
It won’t be the trajectory or the time-table or the format the Bushies may have wanted, it will be the trajectory, the time-table and the format they are gonna get.
And everyone (at least on our side) also knows that Bush doesn’t have the faintest clue how to get the trajectory fixed. Bremer is a bungler and a bamboozler, the sooner whose sorry lobster tail gets busted outta there the better and Bushie is gonna get his sorry lobster tail busted all the way back to Crawford, and then we can say Mission Accomplished, thank you.
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"I like that. Nothing like finding the reason for sex problems in the fugly ugly women troops."
Of course its not. It's the ratio of men to women and the cultural/linguistic separation of the troops from the locals.
If the troops are there long enough, they will eventually start intermingling with the locals. It's human nature.
My problem wouldn't be with American troops sleeping with Iraqi women (if it's consuel obviously). I'd have a lot more of a problem with the kind of draconian control you'd need to prevent it.
The ratio of men to women is no doubt very male heavy. Women in the military are generally not beauty queens (and by no means are the men, they just generally represent a larger cross-sample of the population).
A lot of the women in combat zones are also likely to be officers, probably older, perhaps married, and, thus, untouchable by the typical 20 year old grunt.
Look at the way the military treats adultry/fraternization between officers and enlisted personnel.
I wouldn't blame any 20 year old guy for looking for some local action if it's consensuel or if he's paying for it.
The point isn't that the boys are getting down.
That's normal, healthy behavior. I'm a Democrat. I like it, too.
The point is that one of the main beneficiaries of Republican pork in this war, Halliburton, employs a bunch of ex-South African security personnel with a nasty reputation and a tendency to kidnap minors for prostitution purposes.
Check out the links I provided above.
If there's enough sexual activity going on among coalition civilian personnel- predominantly male- to get the attention of an Army doctor, either its gay or prostitution.
If it's gay- no problem. A smirk from me at Graham and the rest of the missionaries. Viva la revolution.
If its prostitution, it likely isn't some hard working coalition girls trying to make a buck.
It's likely DynCorp white slavery again.
umm. there were 187 comments here yesterday... what happened?
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