I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
He's better at parody than patriotboy.
what's that?
it's not parody?
Jeez, they'll let anyone into I.U. these days.
Actually, when I went to I.U. many decades ago, state law required the university to admit anyone who had graduated in the upper 25% of the graduating class in any Indiana high school. (Or maybe that was public high school.) So they were letting just about anyone in even then. Of course, they were also failing two thirds of them out at the end of their freshman year.
That was in the days of Young Americans for Freedom, so in fact a lot of the leadership of today's conservative movement came from a cadre in which that John kid would have been quite at home.
Or in shorter form, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
I like best where he says
If just men were in charged. And men elected by men were serving in office we would understand that we have so much money to spend and cretin priorities would have to be set. [emphasis added]
Indeed.
Ah, yes, the future... The United States of TalibanAmerica
"If just men were in charged. And men elected by men were serving in office we would understand that we have so much money to spend and cretin priorities would have to be set."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Are we sure this isn't a parody? I mean, come on "cretin priorities"?
This guy is so wrong in so many ways that I can't tell if he's serious or not. It's an even tougher call than "mbf". If it's a fake, he's a genius.
If he's for real, I don't know how he even finished highschool. Don't they have standards, even in Indiana?
If he's sincere, I wonder how he'll react to the attention.
Dude, where's my satire meter?
Definately a poke at the kampus konservatives and frat bros evrywhere.
THe thing is, he's too stupid to instsall a site meter, so he probably has little idea how popular he is.
My guess is that it's a parody. At least, I really, really hope it's a parody. If a guy like this is in college, then I'll be forced to conclude that a college degree means absolutely nothing.
I honestly can't tell. My satire detector usually works pretty well, but there's something geniune-seeming about this.
If it's paradoy then it's genius on a level that would make the writers of the Simpsons look like the writers of Full House.
In short no one is that good.
Um, someone would be doing the young woman who agreed to go out with him a great favor if they would direct her to his site....
what is wiped? It doesn't sound like something I want to have happen to me.
I loved the previous post where he says there are only three reasons why a girl would kiss him:
1. She's drunk.
2. Just for fun.
3 Opening shots in a "hostile takeover."
This man best protect his goodies. You can't trust them wimmins you meet in religion class.
Most men hate women and prefer the comapny of other men. This is why most men prefer oral sex over intercourse, and have no problem with getting blow-jobs from other guys. Yes, most American guys are closet-cases, especially one that are drawn to homosexually oriented relgions like Christianity with it's male God, Son of God, male apostle, male etc, etc, etc.
What is up with this? Why are men SOOOO afraid of women???
that seriously has to stem from pure irony and satire.
does it not?
i hope it does!
(wiped, indeed)...
My email to Justin:
Hi Justin,
Okay dude, I appreciate the fact that you are trying your best on the blog, but man, you have got to learn to spell.
Disregarding the fact that I don’t agree with many of your opinions, your poor command of the English language combined with your poor spelling skills make you look stupid and uneducated. How the hell did you get into college?
Here are just a few examples of your errors:
What you wrote What you should have written
Do to Due to
Air of his ways error of his ways
Acquisitions are true accusations are true
Seem him as a good see him as a good
It appears to me that you are using spell checker to try to catch your writing errors. But apparently you are accepting corrections that are not what you intend to write. If this is true, it’s even scarier, because it means that your spelling is incredibly incorrect, and that you don’t even know the correct word when you see it.
I’m hoping that your poor education has something to do with your horrible outlook and opinions on life. Maybe by correcting the one, you will somehow correct the other. Regardless, please work on your spelling and English usage. It’s one thing you can do to make the world a better place.
Sincerely,
Tom
Suzie,
Because you steal our essences.
Haha
Of course, if he knew his etymology, he would be all in favor of "cretin" priorities---cretin is derived from an old French world for Christian.
And after they've directed the young woman in question to his site, perhaps next they should direct his English professor (if he has one) and the dean of his college, so they can at least make an attempt to save what is left of the university's reputation.
U stole this from my Super Blog.
U R a thief like all commucraps.
He is a true young concervative.
The United States of TalibanAmerica indeed..
On video:
Karen Kwiatkowski
This is dynamite! You MUST see it.
http://video.csupomona.edu/HotTa...tkowski-
245.asx
This is 28 minutes of Karen Kwiatkowski laying it all bare. To clip a few words would not do it justice. There would have to be too many. Lots of name-dropping.
Just one clip: "Reality has never been a constraint" to Neoconservatives. "They are not the kind of people that America as a nation are proud of."
okay, not anon.....Tom P.
what is wiped? It doesn't sound like something I want to have happen to me.
Could it have been a moronic spelling of "whipped"?
Are you under some delusion that most conservatives agree with that sort of thing? Shall I paint all liberals as being "out there" with Kucinich and Chomsky?
Nice strawman; try a real argument next time...
Are you under some delusion that most conservatives agree with that sort of thing? Shall I paint all liberals as being "out there" with Kucinich and Chomsky?
Nice strawman; try a real argument next time...
If these acquisitions are true. I don’t think I could look at him again the same way
Vagina Monologues are an acquisition? Is that bad?
Normally I think it is silly to comment about people's writing skills, even if they are college students, but sometimes the mistakes themselves are too funny.
I noticed on his blog he's taking up Hebrew in modern literature. I sincerely wish him good luck.
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
God I'm slow. Did anyone else figure it out yet (Probably so)?
"Wiped" is for whipped, as in p****-whipped.
welcome back, scumbuster! LTNS!
what is wiped? It doesn't sound like something I want to have happen to me.
Craig in DC
Oh my god I got a good laugh out of that.
Because you steal our essences.
cosmic grappler
Grappler, just one gal's experience here, but more often those "essences" are QUITE freely offered. 
I figured it was some weird sort of infancy fetish Silleigh.
Nice strawman; try a real argument next time...
Because certainly a conservative would never attack a strawman.
...just one gal's experience here, but more often those "essences" are QUITE freely offered.
Silleigh
But that doesn't mean the coach approves.
Saving it for the big game.
Hey, that guy's smart enough to come here and say "fuck" and "repuglican" and stuff. Maybe too smart?
Thanks, UncleScam, I'll check it out. There is so-o-o much happening right now and the fundies have takin' over...Forgive me, don't know how to put up a link, but check this out. It's un-fucking-believalbe:
www.yuricareport.com/dominionism/
TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm
I read that. My reaction?
Oh. My. Fucking. God.
I had to lift my jaw up so I could type this. Yee cats!
FWIW, I think "wiped" is his version of "whipped," short for "pussy whipped." And we all know how emasculating it can be to act nice to a girl.
I'd want to slap him, but shit splatters.
Silleigh - It took me a second, but I read "wiped" as "whipped" based on context.
This guy is a sad case, really. I hope this is a parody because if it isn't he's in for a very unhappy life. Talk about tilting at windmills. Of course, his view of women is pretty much in line with Judeo-christian theology. We are the source of all the tinglies and other evil things that plague hetero males. Us wimins is so baaaaaaaad.
I figured it was some weird sort of infancy fetish Silleigh.
You might have something there, Craig, considering the source. ::snorting laughing::
I posted a comment on his blog and referred him to:
http://www.heartless-bitches.com...com/
index.shtml
Hopefully, he will learn something for the good of himself and any girl he hooks up with.
I went to IU too.
My guess: not parody.
Tena girl you is giving me the tinglies right now.
"Are you under some delusion that most conservatives agree with that sort of thing? Shall I paint all liberals as being "out there" with Kucinich and Chomsky?"
I'll agree with you there; this guy is to conservative thought as Chomsky is to liberal thought.
"My guess is that it's a parody. At least, I really, really hope it's a parody. If a guy like this is in college, then I'll be forced to conclude that a college degree means absolutely nothing."
A college degree means absolutely what you make of it. Nothing more. Nothing less.
That's what it means.
And, it means you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.
Or, in other words, the Enlightenment Project, in which we all come to a mutual agreement on the "good" by way of education ("liberal," as in "liberal arts," or otherwise) has officially failed.
Funeral services are pending.
God is dead. Reason is our hope. That was the 19th century. Now: fewer and fewer accept the death of God, just as fewer and fewer accept the redemptive power of reason.
Welcome to the 21st century.
Us wimins is so baaaaaaaad.
Well, if we'd kept you out of the Garden in the first place...(wimins place is in the home, donchanoe!)
Tena,
Tinglies are OK. Naughty parts are natural - even the First Lady has them.
But when you combine tinglies AND naughty parts, well then, you got trouble, my friend...
And what does this have to do with Jonah Goldberg?
SuzyQ - Nice Sex & the City analysis of the male gender. You're a fool. Most men love intercourse, but I can see why the ones in your presence seem to prefer the company of men. You're a truly charmless individual.
[kei, tired of being called things, desperately holds yuri back, but it's so fucking obvious and nobody else is saying it-
and yuri is loose-]
well, he is actually named Jonah...
guess nonbody read that book...
"The United States of TalibanAmerica" aka the Talibanana Republic.
And Miss Saigon really is playing in Bloomington right now. If he's a parodist, he's probably from around here. Ye gods, man, follow your master Bobby Knight to Texas Tech!
Women don't scare me. I have plenty of essence to go around. If any women out there need some just give me a ring.
The comments thread on that guy's blog is pretty hilarious right now. And yes, our very own Monkeybutt shows up there!
Agentalbert,
Right. This is why men love homoerotic activities like football and pro-wrestling so much. Sigh.
you know, one of the really great things about blogging is that it permits absolute fucking idiots and oxygen thieves to out themselves.
Ok, after going back and reading all the posts on his blog, I'm convinced it's satire. No one as stupid as this guy is pretending to be could master putting up a website. Kudos to his skills at parody - it take real talent to pretend to be that dumb.
M. Tullius - Esteemed reader and commenter, Goober, has already written the National Anthem of the Talibanana Republic. He posted it the other night. I won't post the entire thing, though it is well worth it. Suffice it to say that it is sung to the tune of the Harry Belafonte classic - Daylight Come and Me Wan Go Home - and begins:
Gay oh!
Gayooooooooooooh!
Taliban come and me wan go home.
And yes, our very own Monkeybutt shows up there!
You are scaring me.
The phrase "modern conservatism" strikes me as being an oxymoron.
That's sort of like saying "present day medievalism".
I'm going to write and ask if Justin needs a guest blogger fore Lent or something.
There's a kid who works at the Chevron where I but cigarettes, and his girlfriend is in the same nutrition class as he at the CC. She volunteered to proofread his paper on peanuts and beans, then changed the name on it and e-mailed it as her own. There was no way he could prove that he'd written it, so he had to write another paper on cheese and yogurt. And he's so wiped, he forgave her and he still drives her to school.
I'm worried some wicked proofreading woman will take advantage of our friend Justin (or his readers) in the same way.
Well, if we'd kept you out of the Garden in the first place...(wimins place is in the home, donchanoe!)
Robert M. Jeffers
RMJ, nice to see you -- I seem to keep missing your stuff lately. I was kinda looking forward to you weighing in on the Gibson movie stuff... unless, of course, you'd rather just not think about it.
Ah, Suzy Q, what a cracking good female stand-up you'd be! Why, OF COURSE men are all latent homos! We all enjoy blow jobs, football, and pro wrestling, IT'S TRUE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US! What insight you possess! Got any groundbreaking "men leave the toilet seat up" jokes to try out on us there, Rita Rudner? Because it's so hilarious the way you so incisively skewer the foibles of every member of our gender. You should totally write a book, I bet Oprah would resurrect the book club just for a collection of your pervasive and scintillating wit!
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go beat up my wife and have unprotected anal sex with my hunting buddies. Ciao!
I somehow get the feeling that this kid's already *wiped*, knows it, but won't admit it out loud.
You would have already been wiped before you went to see it but now she is just running up the score.
If Susie Sorority sez he's going, we'll see him in Row K, seat 23. You know how those girlz can be. I bet he loves it too.
As to his command of the language, our children is learning.
Silleigh--
Thanks. For some reason, my home computer won't let me into "comments" anymore.
I think it's a Micrsquish conspiracy to make me buy an OS upgrade....
So I post from work (or work, or work..it can be up to three different places) when I get the chance.
As for the Gibson film, you're right....I'd rather not think about it......
Actually, Jennifer may be right. And the comments to his post are funnier than the post.
Oh, these crazy college kids.
That little kid from Louisiana with the lesbian mother has a cousin going to IU?
"Shall I paint all liberals as being "out there" with Kucinich and Chomsky?"
You go right ahead. Won't hurt me a bit.
As for the Gibson film, you're right....I'd rather not think about it......
You will catch no grief from me on that.
(Work, or work, or work? Yikes, my friend. ...Wait, you're one of those greedy suckin'-up-all-the-good-jobs people, right?)
THe thing is, he's too stupid to instsall a site meter, so he probably has little idea how popular he is.
I think its a hoax. He's lying when he says that there is no way on bloger(sic) to tell who's visiting his site. At the bottom of the source listing is this snippet:
This is a Blog*Spot Plus feature for checking the stats on a blog.
I think it's a put-on. Damn fine one too.
Oh jeez, Haloscan doesn't like code snippets. Well since I don't want to escape the stuff, the pertinent fact is he uses bSTATS code to track site usage.
He met "wiped,' not "whipped." It's got something to do with early toilet training. Poor sic (sic) poopy (sic).
holy fucking shit
sorry it's just so
not ready to comment yet, we're still laughing, it's just so fucking unbelievable
someone should show Margaret Cho
HAHAHAHA! All I can say is, thank God for Bloomington's diversity. It's laughingstock like Dim Bulb there that lets us all feel superior.
I love this town.
You know, I was thinking about the Cashing in on the Christ this morning, and how I'm so totally sick of it because it is fucking ubiquitous. Then it occurred to me that if I'm so sick of hearing and seeing things about it, maybe I'm not alone. Maybe this saturation to the nth degree will backfire and cause others to get sick of it too.
Well I can hope, anyway.
I'm leaning 80-20 that it's not satire, because I know there are people like this in college. When I was a teaching assistant at WVU 20 years ago, we routinely were instructed to fail only the lowest X% (I don't remember the number), but with all the people who stopped coming but didn't drop, we'd end up passing people with averages of 35, (and the tests were all 4-answer multiple choice).
If he's for real, I don't know how he even finished highschool. Don't they have standards, even in Indiana?
-serial offender
wait, wasn't Dan Quayle from there too? sounds like Mo' Child Left Behind to me.
if he's tired of being wiped he shoud cep his mouf shut
Tena:
Don't know if my opinion on the matter, well, matters, but I think The Passion is symptomatic of this sort of wide-spread psychosis on the part of fundamentalists everywhere, because deep down they can see that the institutions and religions that they've been raised to believe were all powerful and infallible are becoming increasingly irrelevant with each passing day. It's getting harder and harder for them to believe, and with the ranks of the non-believers growing and pushing their attempts at theocracy away, you're just going to see them get more strident. Hence Mel's violence porn homage to a guy who probably didn't even exist, and if he did, certainly wasn't the son of any God, and even if he was, his followers have long since forgotten his actual teachings anyway.
The Passion could very well mark the beginning of the end for the religious nuts in this country and perhaps all over the world. Of course, that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.
very long but worthwhile read:
The Despoiling of America How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State via The Cosmic Iguana
Women weaken legs!
This is really a simple issue.
Barefoot. Pregnant.
Any questions?
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Robert M. Jeffers
help!! me too!!
I just got a fancy new computer, and I am having trouble getting the "comments" link for haloscan open in many cases.
Does anyone know why this is?
Thanks for any and all help!!
Tena: You know, I was thinking about the Cashing in on the Christ this morning, and how I'm so totally sick of it because it is fucking ubiquitous.
I think it's going to backfire on the fundies who are using it as a "witnessing" tool. I'm sure that a lot of people are sickened by the film's violence.
I tend to think that it's real. Mainly because the other posts on the blog (at least on the page the General linked to) were too boring to be parody.
If it is satire, it is very disciplined satire.
I was starting to get worried that he was going to say something like, "my brothers, both big and not as big, jumped me and forced me to the floor. I was yelling. Then they pulled my pants off that I got at Amberquimby and held a butter knife to my nutz. 'Do the right thing that is right for you and right for me and right for the frat and right for the men all of whom from history.' I said okay. and the let me up. Sumwon in the back said, 'do it!' Okay! I called her up, and we went out and once back in the car..."
I can't even write it. Not even in jest.
The Passion is like throwing gasoline on a fire for believers.
Atrios, I surely hope this is a parody. I was a member of a fraternity, and it was the best thing in the world for me.
There's a lot more to being in a fraternity than just sitting around drinking. Sadly, that stereoptype has come to dominate people's views of fraternities. There's a strong educational portion to fraternity life. You have to learn how to organize people for project, budget money, and raise money for needy causes.
Having said that, I understand completely where the general stereotype comes from. Sad and unfortunate, IMHO.
This guy better not be a better of my fraternity.
patriotboy & Ghost of Bill Hicks - I was just laughing about the fact that an extremist Catholic makes this film based on the horrific hallucinations of an 18C Catholic mystic and has all the evangelical Protestants lining up to throw their dollars at him. The Catholic doesn't believe the Protestants are going to heaven, the Protestants generally consider the Catholics as doomed - LOL.
And every single media critic the Dallas News has - 4, or 5 - had a discussion of the film that was in the paper on Friday, and every one of them disliked the film intensely because of the violence.
Mr. Tena thinks the film's 15 minutes is about up. I fervently hope he is right.
Like I said on another thread last night, gore in movies is only acceptable if leavened with a fair helping of humor. And from what I've heard, there's not a single funny moment in Mel's gore-fest.
Remember the scene in Pulp Fiction where Travolta accidently shoots Marvin in the face? That would have been really hard to take if so much of the rest of the movie hadn't been friggin' hilarious. If anyone saw Ian McKellan (sp?) on Real Time last night, he had an interesting take on the whole subject.
I grew up just south of Bloomington (outside Bedford), and I can tell you that this fella isn't representative of Bloomington.
Bedford, yeah, that's a distinct possibility.
WF
That last line on my post SHOULD read "This guy better not be a member of my fraternity."
God. I look like a hapless, uneducated frat boy.
Tena, did you see Orcinus' post on this awhile back. It's excellent.
It looks like Gibson is using the fundies to leverage the post Vatican II Catholics.
It's real, and it's better than Gareth Keenan's Territorial Army record. We've seen things like this before, so much that we presuppose any given brownshirt screed will have at the very least awful English, but the sudden full stopping, the misspelling of a word so dear to them as "whore" and "faggot", the idea that a spontaneous kiss from someone you're interested in enough to take to a theatre is "peeing on a tree", never...never has it been so fucking...Jeezus. Speaking of whom, look at a lot of the major "outreaches" and you'll see a lot of the same, lots of bad spelling and so on. Anyone here ever read Harlan Ellison's Knox? We so want do do a graphic novel of it once we can draw pretty.
But u no wot rilly getz mai goat's milk spilt under the bride. iz how these black nigrah Afrostudentz r taking r wite cuntry away. from us with assirmatif ashun. R u saying i'm less qualified. Than a welfare crackhead?
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Tom P. | Email | Homepage | 02.28.04 - 5:14 pm
Could be a pop-up supressor.
Jennifer,
McCellan (I don't know of that's right either) was great.
Tony Shifflet-do you consider DKEs to have some kind of effect on the utility and goodness of your own fraternity?
I'm not outraged that the Social Security Administration is denying the use of gay marriage certificates for name-change and survivorship benefits. We'd have the DMA to thank for that, even if the marriages weren't under review within the state courts. If the state courts agree, such an SSA refusal will put the DMA to the test, as would a failure by an adjacent state to recognize the marriage. But, for now, it's just proper administration of the agency. Bush is still a bastard on the issue, but the SSA is doing its job.
patriotboy - I didn't see that, and wish I had. I know very well that despite Gibson's disgusting claim that "god made me do it," there is really more going on here. Holy Spirit my ass - Holy Spirit of Capitalism and Catholic Insanity is more like it.
If those fundies are willing to give their last dollar to scum like Jummy Swaggart and company for which they receive nothing in return, they must be thrilled to waste some cash on Mel's horror flick.
Suckers.
Tena - You might appreciate this "icon" of Mel.
liberal thought
Liberals think? I thought they only followed (for the greater good of course).
Hey, if someone as fucking stupid as me can get into Harvrad, this is nothing...
The Spirit of Howard Beale, yep. That about sums it up.
Gibson is bringing the Fundies to his side. In this mornings paper there was a small blurb about more Protestants observing Lenten traditions that only Catholics used to observe.
A believer will have a very strong emotional, mental, spiritual reaction to the violence. Then they remember that Jesus had to take that beating for them, and what sets in: guilt.
I thought Ebert's review was good. He mentions Stations of the Cross, which is going around the church and reliving what is portrayed in the movie.
In San Antonio, every year on Good Saturday, they have the photo in color on the front page (sometimes Metro) of the reenactment, and it is pretty bloody.
One year the Christ guy was a Hispanic Vietnam vet named Don, that I knew from back in the day. He thought he was a cuandero, a shaman healer, magic. Freaked my wife out one time.
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This may be a far out answer -- it happened on my home computer, which I share, when someone installed some kind of anti-pop-up software on it. Had its own toolbar with a toggle switch to allow pop-ups on sites you wanted it to. Maybe ...
Tena,
Here's a link to the Orcinus post. Like everyhing else Neiwert writes, it's a "must read."
STOP MAKING FUN OF MY BOYFRIEND!!!
Spirit of Howard Beale - thanks for the cartoon - that is brilliant.
patiotboy - so grateful for the link. I love reading Niewert - his analyses of things are just amazing. His scholarship is untouchable.
I love how David Denby ended his review in the New Yorker. He says:
"The despair of the movie is hard to shrug off, and Gibson's timing couldn't be more unfortunate: another dose of death-haunted religious fanaticism is the last thing we need."
Oh, amen to that.
This site (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com) is most definitely parody. Check the blogroll. It lists two categories of sites: "Patriots" and "Probably French" (Eschaton is in the "Probably French" category). But, the ones in "Patriots" are all Blog parody sites pretending to be the personal blogs of GWBush, Dick Cheney, Ashcroft, etc. And check out Patriotboy's featured posts, such as "The Purdiest Mouths in America." Come one, this is satire laying it on thick!
I dunno if this is paradoy, but there's no guarantee that a college boy is exactly packin' in the smarts these days. I may be basking in nostalgia, but it doesn't seem as bad as when I was in college (coming up on a decade now), but the kids here in Athens...well, let's just say there's no danger of the mental energies burning out their brains. And it croses political ideologies, as well. A friend tried to set me up with a girl who - and this still kills me - took a course in "anarchy activism". I asked her, "So, what, they taught you to be an anarchist?" When she answered affirmative, I responded, "Do me a favor. Don't breed, okay?" Needless to say, I did not get any nookie that night...
And to the cat who said Chomsky and Kucinich represented the "far out left," I say thanks for the comparison. Two intelligent, well-read individuals who back up the assertations with facts rather than self-centered, Bible-thumping nonsense.
And speaking of which, I've been out of the Eschaton loop, but has anyone noticed that the dude playing Jesus in Mad Mel's movie is a white cat? And what's more, all the lead characters are white folks. I've got a feeling the fundies in this country would have kittens if they found out the late J.C. was one of them swarthy fellers.
Speaking of dumbass college boys (as my uncle used to and probably still does refer to me as), I meant to say it doesn't seem like it *was* as bad when I was in college.
Sheesh...
This site (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com) is most definitely parody.
I know what you're up to. You're trying to trivialize my important message by characterizing it as parody. You can go straight to hell.
I'm having flashbacks to the fundamentalist preacher dudes who would wax eloquent in the clearing across from the student union parking lot, next to the Jordan Rivulet.
I remember how the younger would thrust his open bible at people while screaming about those "HOE MOE SEXShuuuullllssss..."
Like any 'winger, it was useless to engage them in any kind of dialogue.
Praaaaaaaaaazzzzzeeee JEEEEEEEEEzzuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzz.....
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While we are still discussing the gore in "Passion of Christ", the Philippines is obscurely reknown for a gruesome Passion Play at Easter.
Some of the local men flagellate themselves to make their backs bloody and one of them is actually nailed to a cross.
It's probably a satire, but the reason it's such terrific satire is that one can imagine it not being satire. My guess
would be that it's done by a grad student
who is a teaching assistant, i.e. does all the grading. As a former grad student at IU, I can attest that some -
not many, but some - IU undergrads are this dumb, and this bigoted.
Spirit of Howard Beale - there is a sect in Old and New Mexico that does that same thing the Phillipines sect does. It is against the law in New Mexico, and the Catholic Church repudiated the sect to try to get the members to stop crucifying each other. I'm sure it still exists. It's called the Penintentes.
Spirit of HB - Interestingly, the Penintentes used to be a "Boy's Only" club.
Tena - Found it with Google. Interesting. The American Spanish are officially Los Hermanos Penitentes (The Penitent Brothers)
The Hermanos Penitentes are a society of individuals, who, to atone for their sins, practise penances which consist principally of flagellation, carrying heavy crosses, binding the body to a cross, and tying the limbs to hinder the circulation of the blood. These practices have prevailed in Colorado and New Mexico since the beginning of the nineteenth century.
The link has a nice brief descripotion of them and their history. The Filipino version nails their sect member to a cross rather than just "binding" him.
This may be a far out answer -- it happened on my home computer, which I share, when someone installed some kind of anti-pop-up software on it. Had its own toolbar with a toggle switch to allow pop-ups on sites you wanted it to.
I always have to disable Pop-Up Stopper here. The Google toolbar (if you have that) can be configured to stop pop-ups, and I'm wondering if other browsers, or newer OSs, have the same thing. Are y'all seeing any other pop-ups as you cruise?
I say the IU Day By Day is a spoof. One of the best I've seen, ever. But still.
The General, though -- he's a straight shooter all the way. Nobody with an "extensive collection of gladiator movies" would stoop to parody.
Have some respect, dammit.
I had to specifically disable pop-ups for Haloscan in my firewall menu too.
BTW, not to make any big deal of this, Silleigh, but why did you make that comment about me? (our very own)
The spirit and Tena -
My dad was in the navy from 35'-56' and spent much of that time in the Phillipines. In addition to what ya'll have mentioned, He told me they use to to tie something around their scrotums, and then go down the street in some kind of psychotic state. Lots of pain related religous activities but don't remember the details much.
I was just laughing about the fact that an extremist Catholic makes this film based on the horrific hallucinations of an 18C Catholic mystic and has all the evangelical Protestants lining up to throw their dollars at him. The Catholic doesn't believe the Protestants are going to heaven...
I had to impart that bit of knowledge to an adorable fella I met the other night (my dau's first boyfriend) because his mother had taken him to see it last Wednesday. He didn't want to go. I asked him what he thought of it. He said, "By the end, Jesus wasn't even recognizable as a human." I asked him then if his mother happened to be Catholic -- he said no. Then I explained that Mel Gibson thinks that members of other religions are going to hell -- including his own wife.
I hate thinking about all the parents who are going to drag their kids to see this. I couldn't handle it NOW and damn sure couldn't have as a teenager. Tena, I hope Mr. Tena is indeed correct.
The "icon" cartoon someone posted was dead-on. I guess the "grosses" of this movie are the operative concept on two levels. Gibson said on some show last week that he knew he'd hit a nerve but had no idea he'd "sever an artery." That's how this guy THINKS, and it ain't pretty.
Silleigh said: I always have to disable Pop-Up Stopper here
As I noted up thread, push down the control key when clicking on comments and it temporarily disables pop-up blocker. You do not have to turn of pop-up blocker if you do this.
Chris/tx: In ZoneAlarm pro you can disable pop-ups for separate sites. It's a pretty nifty feature.
(Work, or work, or work? Yikes, my friend. ...Wait, you're one of those greedy suckin'-up-all-the-good-jobs people, right?)
No, more like (as Roger Miller sang in my childhood) "Man of means, by no means." Find myself in the unfortunate position of having 3 part-time jobs, trying to make 4 ends meet.
...anyway....
"The despair of the movie is hard to shrug off, and Gibson's timing couldn't be more unfortunate: another dose of death-haunted religious fanaticism is the last thing we need."
I keep thinking much the same thing, and thinking of a quote by Thomas Merton about Ash Wednesday. Merton points out that the ritual of the ashes is not, in any way, a "sacrament of death." He rejects that kind of thinking as distinctly non-Christian.
Gibson is what happens when non-theologians and people with no training but lots of opinions, decide they know what the church (RC, a Protestant denom., etc.) should be doing, and weigh in in the most uninformed manner possible.
Gibson clearly (from what I've heard; film violence disturbs me too much to watch this kind of thing) is going for something on the order of a "sacrament of death." Which is my primary objection to the thing.
As for the "rage" of the fundies (last bit, promise!): they are accustomed to being on the margins of society. Poor southern whites, etc. Now they have power, they don't know who they are anymore. And the center is not holding.
BTW, not to make any big deal of this, Silleigh, but why did you make that comment about me? (our very own)
I just meant that I see your sig here a lot, so I think of you as part of this large, weird, extended family, I guess. I glanced through the comments on that thread and your name was the only one that struck me as familiar. Eschaton is my primary hangout for this kind of thing -- you might post all over the place, and I was probably just commenting out of my ass. I apologize if it upset you for any reason -- for me it was like seeing a familiar face in a crowd. That's all.
Silleigh - To be honest about it I do think that insanity runs in that family. Hutton Gibson is clearly insane. Watch Mel for 2 minutes and tell me he's all there ---- which is another irony about the whole thing.
I really think that the left would gratefully give up its sense of irony if the right would just quit doing this shit.
Silleigh, I am already sorry I asked. I do not consider myself a regular (that would be an insult to the real regulars) and I never thought anyone would remember my handle. That is why your comment came as a bit of a shock. Again, please accept my apologies for asking what turns out to be a stupid question.
I am translating "The Real World: The Lost Season" right now and I think it is causing me serious brain damage. Note to myself: do not post when translating stupid movies.
Robert M. Jeffers | Email | Homepage | 02.28.04 - 6:53 pm
You never disappoint. This is why I look for your posts.
(My folks brought me up on Roger Miller. Time was when country music could have a sense of humor AND get airplay.)
"The despair of the movie is hard to shrug off, and Gibson's timing couldn't be more unfortunate: another dose of death-haunted religious fanaticism is the last thing we need."
The despair of the movie is pretty easy to shrug off. I wouldn't even have a lot of trouble with kids seeing The Passion. It's not really as disturbing as the critics are saying. It's violent, but it isn't. An NFL linebacker, David Blaine, Rasputin, or Mike Tyson would have been dead 10 minutes into the movie. That's usually what happens when they tie chains around your neck and throw you over a bridge.
OK, you say, Jesus was God so he was really strong and he had to suffer a
long time for our sins. Well, Gibson doesn't really give you a sense of the punishment getting worse. The volume starts at 11 and stays there. It's kind of like a Michael Bolton cover song.
So you don't get a sense of a man as God or God become human and vulnerable.
You just see makeup artists and notice things like sound effects and lens
flare. You're noticing it's movie every moment you're watching it.
Compare it to Dirty Harry or Unforgiven, where the action hero is shown as human and vulnerable then becomes a superman as the movie progresses.
Rocky is a better movie along the same theme. You're redeemed through
physical suffering.
The *only* redeeming feature the movie had was a sense of human malevolence. That was done well. Everybody in this movie, Jews and Romans were evil and the only explanation was that humans are inherently sinful. The sense of glee that the Roman soldiers had beating Jesus to a pulp was fairly enjoyable. You looked at it through their eyes (Hey. Get the movie started and let the ass-kicking begin) and felt them getting tired as they continue to pummel Jesus.
But even so, you never have a moment the way you do in Rocky I, where Carl Weather's simply can't believe Stallon's coming back for more. It's just crude, literalist punishment and it's boring.
"Hutton Gibson is clearly insane."
Insane? Hmm.. possibly, possibly. There was a great essay written by a journalist who went to the annual Holocaust-Denying convention (I forget what the actual name is).. it was in this year's Best American Essays. Strange people.
The Hermanos Penitentes are a society of individuals, who, to atone for their sins, practise penances which consist principally of flagellation, carrying heavy crosses, binding the body to a cross, and tying the limbs to hinder the circulation of the blood. These practices have prevailed in Colorado and New Mexico since the beginning of the nineteenth century.
hmm, wonder if Bill Bennett hangs out with them if his mistress in Vegas is unavailable?
People,
He states clearly, if you scroll all the way down, that this is a work of political satire. Besides, his Amazon wish list is chock full of books by David Sedaris.
Hutton Gibson is clearly insane. Tena, I'll see that and raise you a vodka-on-the-rox.
Monkeybutt: There are no stupid questions. Well, a few, but that wasn't one of 'em. 
...You're translating it into what language? Interesting gig!
Besides, his Amazon wish list is chock full of books by David Sedaris.
Hey, I really liked David Sedaris in that old seventies TV show about the FBI. That's why I want his books. What's wrong with that?
He states clearly, if you scroll all the way down, that this is a work of political satire. Besides, his Amazon wish list is chock full of books by David Sedaris.
Yellowdog, that's the General's blog. If you click the link in his intro to that entry, you'll go to the student's original post.
preznit - Oh fuck me that was the funniest thing I have ever read in my life: "wonder if Bill Bennet hangs out with them if his mistress in vegas is unavailable?" ROFLMAO
Maybe the greatest comment yet.
Silleigh, thanks for asking. I am translating/subtitling mainly from (American) English into Dutch for a pay-tv channel. It is an interesting gig, but you couldn't believe some of the crap we are seeing.
Anyway, it is one of the reasons why I have to follow what is going on in the States. Especially when I have to translate documentaries. I suppose one day we'll get the dreaded Jesus Chainsaw Massacre as well. To give you some idea of what me and my colleagues are doing, some of the films I translated were: Our America, Bang Bang You're Dead, Power (Lumet), Live From Baghdad, Last Temptation of Christ, That's My Bush, South Park...
OT: I guess this talk of old writers actors reminds me, no further follow-up on Spalding Gray after seven weeks or so. I guess he's gone.
Thanks for the Kwiatowski video, UncleScam.
I watched the whole thing, and it was un-fucking-believable. Not that the info was incredibly new, mind you, but it was laid out in cold clinical detail by a very believable source.
The neocons need to go to jail.
OT:
South Park...
Monkeybutt-- the series, the movie, both? In the movie, in the big "Kyle's Mom Is A Stupid Bitch" number, they go briefly to different countries and sing a line in the corresponding language (I guess) and one country was replete with tulips and windmills and Cartman wearing blonde pigtails and wooden shoes. I'd kinda wondered if the translation of that whole bit was in any way legit.
Your job sounds neat. I possess only fragments of my now-ancient 2 years of high-school French, and wish I'd taken more languages instead of beating my native tongue to death.
re- Passion of the Mel
now, THAT is a movie that would make a great MST3K
Further OT: Silleigh, I did some shows of the series, the movie unfortunately went to somebody else. But it is funny how Dutch in American movies invariably sounds like German .
Now back to whatever topic the thread was about before I get flamed and really become (in)famous.
re- Passion of the Mel
now, THAT is a movie that would make a great MST3K
I'm afraid it would consist entirely of Mike and the 'bots hurling on each other.
(Monkeybutt, I am going to be good now, too. In fact, I gotta go soon, but it was nice making your slightly-more-than-casual virtual acquaintance here!)
OT: but did anyone mention that Bush has once again replaced actual scientists on one of his science advisory panels with fundies? (I've been in meetings for much of yesterday and today...)
Silleigh: You're welcome. But next time you be the one in the confessional chair
I think this blog might just spawn the newest, hippest mock-the-right jargon since "preznit give me turkee!"
How about this:
"If you are a wiped man, see the air of your ways!"
It's definitely a parody and a very well done one. It looks to be the work of the same people who (look at some of the sidebar links) have been doing the devestatinly wicked Landover Baptist Church and Betty Bowers sites. Not that I don't think all too many conservatives are capable of putting out such drivel in all seriousness.
It's a (great)joke, son. A joke
WaPo - A6 - sorry too lazy to get the url:
"President Bush yesterday dismissed two members of his handpicked Council on Bioethics -- a scientist and a moral philosopher who had been among the more outspoken advocates for research on human embryo cells.
In their places he appointed three new members, including a doctor who has called for more religion in public life, a political scientist who has spoken out precisely against the research that the dismissed members supported, and another who has written about the immorality of abortion and the "threats of biotechnology."
And upon reflection, I still think that the young blogger might be a diaper pail friend.
Wiper indeed.
http://www.dpf.com/
OT: but did anyone mention that Bush has once again replaced actual scientists on one of his science advisory panels with fundies? (I've been in meetings for much of yesterday and today...)
Craig in DC, I had read that these two were fired, but i didn't know that they were being replaced by more yes man fundies.
Jeezus freaking Khriiiist.
Fuck george and the hobby horse he rode in on. His father and lovely mother must be having a cow.
FWIW, I remember reading something years ago about how it was generally scientifically accepted that you could not hang a person by driving stakes through their hands - because the bones in the hands are too delicate and would break with the weight of the entire body hanging from them, the stakes would rip through the flesh, and the body would fall. Whatever it was I was reading went on to say that in the crucifixtion, it was more likely the spikes were driven through the wrists.
Mel's movie, of course, shows the spikes being driven into the hands (I saw a clip). Not to mention that it's Mel's hands doing the nailing in the scenes. So much for his claims of "accuracy".
Now really OT, but in my younger years when I caroused at Mardi Gras in New Orleans at least every other year, the god-botherers would always be out in force. One year, there was a guy dragging a huge cross around - but it had a small wheel mounted to one side of the bottom. Except he wasn't using the wheel, he was dragging it - the hard way. Having had quite a few already that day, I walked up and started tapping him on the shoulder. My boyfriend was going nuts, saying "No! No! Don't!" but it was too late. Cross-dragging dude turns around, and I say, "You know, it would be a lot easier to carry that thing if you would flip it over and roll it on that wheel." He thought about it for a minute and then said, "Well...well...JESUS didn't HAVE a wheel!" So I said, "Then WHY do YOU have one?" He just got this blank look, stammered for a few seconds, then turned around and went back to dragging his cross.
If these guys would just content themselves with being comic relief, the world would be a much safer and better place.
If it's satire, it's not all that good. If it isn't, he's a jackass. Why give him a seat at the table?
lol Jennifer...
you were smarter drunk than a sober Jesus freak!
Well, pie, at least they will now be able to get more consensus on their panels.
post 158! (wish I'd done more with it).
Long live the commonwealth.
Great story, Jennifer.
The real smart Jesus freaks are known as con men in other circles.
Mel's movie, of course, shows the spikes being driven into the hands (I saw a clip). Not to mention that it's Mel's hands doing the nailing in the scenes. So much for his claims of "accuracy".
Of course, but if you really want to a stickler for accuracy, you'd have to argue that Jesus would have been dead 10 minutes into The Passion.
The human body can take more punishment than you would imagine, but in the case of Gibson's movie, it's cut and dry.
Even if, by some miracle, he survived the first beating, he would have been unconscious by the time they brought him to Pontius Pilot.
What is truth?
If you take a man, beat the crap out of him, wrap him in chains, then throw him over a bridge, he'll die.
oh goody. My mother thinks I should go see Jesus Crucifixion Massacre. I guess she thinks that if I spend 2 hours watching the snot get beaten out of Jesus, that'll guilt me into getting religion.
Me: "I heard it's a pretty violent movie. No thanks."
Her: "But you watched Apocalypse Now
h goody. My mother thinks I should go see Jesus Crucifixion Massacre. I guess she thinks that if I spend 2 hours watching the snot get beaten out of Jesus, that'll guilt me into getting religion.
Me: "I heard it's a pretty violent movie. No thanks."
Her: "But you watched Apocalypse Now"
Me: "*groan*"
How do you think it feels to lose one of the biggest landslides in history, then to have the movement you began succeed only after it's taken over by a lousy actor, a bunch of religious kooks, a failed DJ/drug addict, a stupid frat boy who owes his entire travesty of a life to Daddy and his buddies, and idiotic college kids like this? Not to mention that loser McCain ripping off my "independent-minded Arizona Republican senator" act? Thank God I'm not alive to see it.
Well, pie, at least they will now be able to get more consensus on their panels.
Until Bush, I thought that presidents listened to a wide range of opinions; advisory committees had divergent viewpoints, and then a policy based on compromise could be reached. Every side was represented.
A president's decision is not supposed to be a rubber stamp. georgie is like the CEO surrounded by a bunch of YES men.
Bad business. Bad president.
Bad for America.
Jennifer, don'cha know. We don't do conventional science anymore.
Man walked with dinosaur, mostlytinyurl:
http://objective.jesussave.us/cr...s/
creation.html
And if you took Jesus, beat the crap out of him, wrapped him in chains, and threw him over a bridge, swr, he'd probably rise again. Faith doesn't = fact/science/etc.
And abortions cause breast cancer (and eternal damnation).
http://christsbride-min.org/Cbm%...20ps%
20page.htm
Way late, but RMJ, add me to the list of those who follow the philosophy of the late Roger Miller. "A man of means, by no means" is definately a mantra in this house hold. Plus, he wrote some of the best country songs of the '60s - "Lock, Stock & Teardrops" especially - which are often over shadowed by his novelty stuff.
What a 'moran'
MYOB'
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I can't help but wonder if the people here whom seek to pass this off as satire are not college grads desperately trying to maintain some sort of image of superiority. My experience in life tells me that this person could be completely honest and extremely stupid and everything he claims to be. College is not some sort of badge of higher intelligence or superior mental processes.
If you wish to disagree I would point you to our current MBA preznit.
Get over yourselves, your college education is not a "I'm smarter than you, therefore I deserve a better life" get out of jail free card. We're all Bozos on this bus and the sooner you realize it and deal with it the better we'll all be.
This guy is a jackass and there are millions out there like him. That is the only problem, not what education or lack of he has.
This (p)resident doesn't do "a wide range of opinions" pie.
Everything changed on Septem...when Clenis got the bj
h goody. My mother thinks I should go see Jesus Crucifixion Massacre
It's pretty much a piss poor version of Rocky I, which was a piss poor version of "On the Waterfront." The manly man gets spiritually purified by having the crap beaten out of him.
But I'd like to see alternative casting:
Jesus: George Clooney (will drive conservatives nuts)
Caiphus: Gene Hackman in his "Little Billy" stage.
Pilot: Ron Rifkin, Arvin Sloan from Alias (give Pilot a slight Jewish quality. Hint that "neocons" have Caeser's ear.)
Judas: Jason Alexander (give him a change to break out of the comedic getto).
Nedra has recently filed a story about Kerry trashing Bush for the ethics committee firings:
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry on Saturday criticized President Bush's replacement of two dissenting members of a bioethics panel that advises him on such issues as cloning and stem cell research.
[...]
The White House did not respond directly to earlier allegations that Blackburn and May were replaced for ideological reasons.
Suzy DeFrancis, a spokeswoman for Bush, said that since their terms had expired in January, it was the president's "prerogative to make changes." All the council's members' terms expired in January.
"We decided to appoint other people with other expertise and experience," she said, without elaboration.
arrrrgh it's Pilate not Pilot
Pontius Pilate was the Roman ruler of Palestine.
Pontius' Pilot was his PDA.
Suzy DeFrancis, a spokeswoman for Bush, said that since their terms had expired in January, it was the president's "prerogative to make changes." All the council's members' terms expired in January.
"We decided to appoint other people with other expertise and experience," she said, without elaboration.
pie
Oh, so ignorant fundamentalist flat-earthers were under-represented?
Gee and you libruhls keep complaining about how intolerant and exclusive the Bushites are...
Personally pie, it is hard to watch doing science policy work in DC. The only study that the administration has liked in 3 years is one of our (not mine, but institutional, "research subjects" study). They liked that one so much I thought that we should approach them for more money for a third "global warming" study. They didn't like the first two (i.e. the globe is warming).
http://lab.nap.edu/nap-cgi/
disco...=global+warming
And, btw pie, props to MI (I thought I read you said you were there once, I was raised in A2).
Here's the link to the article.
Pontius' Pilot was his PDA.
I love all the Palm Pilot jokes that have surfaced because of this *movie*.
our = ours
HaloScan needs a spell check......
eek, it wasn't our = ours. It was subjects") study. digging a deeper hole for myself.
Maybe I need wiping.
That has been the main point of contention with the flat-earthers...that they are under-represented.
Craig, Yes, I'm in MI, very near A2, but have only been here for four years. My daughter worked for a non-profit in DC whose focus is environmental conflict resolution.
Bush is a huge drag, and it's better that she's in Boston right now getting her masters at MIT.
Somebody over at dkos described Mel's Passion as a live action recreation of "The Mr. Bill Show".
heehee
So, is there evidence that IU Day by Day a parody? It sounded like that one comment referred to the Hetneral, mentioning as it did "sidebar links to" Bowers and Landover. Also, how can anyone link to Bowers & Hardwick and not to Poppy Dixon, Chick, Subgenius, Kiss Hank's Ass, [rest in peace Wierd Crap, half of whose links are now dead, but which does still have beauteous revelations {particularly in the Tilton and Chick archives-all your base alas has expired} for the intrepid seeker, such as "the Holy and the Homo"] et al? There's quite a healthy antichrist-ian web culture out there. Jesus21.com is on the top of it, though...
You know what you are doing! Take off all 'zig' for great justice!
"After dinner I went home and went to did homework, watched TV, and went to bed."
Surprised no "skirt" would be clawing at his door to get him to go out with her. What an effin' jewel this guy is.
What did he watch on TV? 700 club? Maybe he watched what's-a-ma-call her, Dru Paul? Perfect "skirt" for a male chauvinist, misogynist.
Maybe it's a Dada put on.
Somebody over at dkos described Mel's Passion as a live action recreation of "The Mr. Bill Show".
My ten year old nephew told me all about the woman who died while watching it. Apparently it's all over the playground.
And by the way, Kerry's statement is more in line with how a president should act:
As to his own view, Kerry said: "I'm against human cloning. I'm against other irresponsible scientific activities."
He said he favors cell research, but "there are limits to how the lines are developed and there are limits to what you do. Absolutely. But again, you look for the best scientific and bioethical advice. You don't precook it. That's what's important."
EPT
I heard it happened in Kansas City, but I never tried to confirm it.
My ten year old nephew told me all about the woman who died while watching it. Apparently it's all over the playground.
I wondered if the story was going to spread. You live in Maine? Is that where your nephew is?
I heard it happened in Kansas City, but I never tried to confirm it.
Wichita. It did happen.
Google it.
It's not satire. The kid's desperate for Jonah to fuck him.
Pardon me, being only a woman, but does "wiped" stand in for the term "whipped" in some parts of the country? Sorry if this has been asked previously.
Pontius Pilate was the Roman ruler of Palestine.
As long as we're nitpicking, wasn't he the "Roman Procurator of Judea?"
Then again, I think the boundaries of "Judea" made it a much smaller country than modern day Israel.
BTW. The parable of "The Good Good Samaritan." Isn't the whole point of the "Good Samartan" that a non-Jew could be a decent human being to a Jew:
"A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he had compassion for him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'
'Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?" The expert in the law replied, "The one who showed compassion." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."
>>
Mel's movie, of course, shows the spikes being driven into the hands (I saw a clip). Not to mention that it's Mel's hands doing the nailing in the scenes. So much for his claims of "accuracy".
Of course, but if you really want to a stickler for accuracy, you'd have to argue that Jesus would have been dead 10 minutes into The Passion. >>
Acutally if you want to be a stickler, the Romans most likely drove the nail through his wrists, the flesh between the hand bones would have shredded under the weight and pulled out, at least according to medical experts who collaborate with historians. : -)
I wondered if the story was going to spread. You live in Maine? Is that where your nephew is?
pie
Yes. It was on the news tonight but I wasn't really listening so can't say what was said.
I'm sure Mel is smiling over publicity like that.
Acutally if you want to be a stickler, the Romans most likely drove the nail through his wrists, the flesh between the hand bones would have shredded under the weight and pulled out, at least according to medical experts who collaborate with historians. : -)
I'm wondering about the earthquake at the end. Gibson makes it look as if the earthquake half wrecked the Jewish Temple as payback for Caiphus' taunting Jesus on the cross. I thought the Romans destroyed in in 72 AD.
if you wanted to argue accuracy, you'd have to not have Jeezus in the first place.
Every single thing about this myth is bullshit, easily knocked down if you look for it (the Sanhedrin meeting at night, for example. Now, maybe you could accept that as part of the corruption of these people to begin with, but there's also the problem of the "witnesses" it comes from being politically opposed to the people they're accusing). Accepted as a myth, we have the same Adonic sacrifice popular for centuries before and part of the larger religious process that took the mantle of King of Heaven from Gaia to Hestia to Cronus to Zeus to Herakles, where Jeezus is the sacrificed son.
Was it Chumbawamba (in a song about photographing Jeezus while floating through the skies of Indiana) that said, "Have your fun while you're alive, you won't get nothing when you die."
I would like to thank a certain Craig in DC for the creational links he posted. Thank you very much, I just spent ONE hour of my life laughing my ass off until it hurt (and it still hurts) when I was supposed to be working.
Please put out a warning next time you post links to entertainment of this precious magnitude:
Strong evidence for this hypothesis is the fact that Noah and the other animals weren't eaten, or else we all wouldn't be here today.
Reading just this bit, the hurt starts again. Ouch!
if you wanted to argue accuracy, you'd have to not have Jeezus in the first place.
Compared to Socrates' drinking of the hemlock, there isn't much evidence for the historical Jesus.
But I can't imagine that there's evidence to prove that some Jewish agitor with a philosphical bent didn't exist around that time, wasn't caught up in internal Jewish politics and didn't wind up getting executed by the Romans.
Creepy, looks like this IU guy is really for real.
I think I'll be nice and not post his phone number, though. Seems like he's got enough umm, "problems" as it is.
SWR-thing is, there were so many "Jewish agitators"-as well as messiahs-that they ceased to be noticeable. Life of Brian is quite accurate when it shows a whole row of prophets, and later the "instant following." That kind of nonsense was par for the course and there is nothing in the historical record to justify a Christ or if he existed to really distinguish him from all those others. And on the hemlock: the thing is, it's perfectly believable that Socrates was executed for pissing off a mob. It is not perfectly believable that tradition after tradition was turned aside, nor that an earthquake happened and the dead rose yet nobody else noticed it.
To understand why you really can't argue with a Josh McDowellite Cross-worshipper because they really do not care about logic or facts, check out the excellent Book of Jerry Falwell, which was a fine sociological work where a woman, forgoing all the "Inherent the Wind" snappy answers, sympathetically lived with cross-worshippers to analyze their grasp of basic cognition. There's also the fine Mind of the Bible Believer, recommended by no less than Frank Zappa.
I am SO glad that someone else is familiar with Chumbawumba's BETTER work! I can't even type your handle, SYMBOL, so how bout if I call you "Artist Formerly Known as Prince"?
I've had that track on tape ever since I worked at the used record store in grad school - I never knew the name of the collection or any of the songs, always figured it for a bootleg due to the Sgt. Pepper samples, etc. Can you give me some idea on the provenance?
Oh, and in that same song, or on one of the others on the collection, they reference "savior on a stick". And then there's that whole song mocking the fundie fear of the "cultural elite" - "We're gonna kidnap youre children....And sell them to the devil."
Fill me in on any info you have about this Chumbawumba collection - like I said, all I have is a tape I made from a tape that turned up at the store, which was itself a copy from a CD or something. I'd love to get a more permanent copy - I've about worn out the tape I have.
SWR-thing is, there were so many "Jewish agitators"-as well as messiahs-that they ceased to be noticeable. Life of Brian is quite accurate when it shows a whole row of prophets, and later the "instant following."
I was trying to think of some way you could set The Passion in 2004.
A renagade Suni cleric in Iraq starts to challenge Sistani in the Shiite areas of Iraq (who's seen as cooperating a bit too closely with the Americans).
Sistani has his followers grab him but, since he doesn't want to take the responsibility for having an increasingly popular radical executed, he tricks Paul Bremer into thinking that said Suni radical has ties to Al Qaeda.
Bremer has him sent to Gitmo where he's tortured to within an inch of his life but he's so disruptive that he's sent back to Iraq and handed over to Sistani with the claim that he has no connection to Al Qaeda.
Sistani then plants evidence to fool Bremer into thinking that said Sunni radical is in fact a terrorist and does have ties to 9/11. Bremer finally gets sick of hearing about it so he arranges for the man to be blown up in a terrorist attack.
After the man dies, a legand starts in occupied Iraq that he never did die, that he's still alive and still fighting the American occupation. A body of popular literature emerges.
Jennifer, our sister in Chumba-try this. And can you not clearly see "kei & yuri"? Sheesh.
"Pardon me, being only a woman, but does "wiped" stand in for the term "whipped" in some parts of the country?"
I'm pretty sure it does, although note I didn't guess that by using my testosterone production units, rather using contextual clues like yourself.
If you look over the guys blog it becomes quite clear that he isn't a very good speller (or test taker).
Lest anyone think he is truly representative of all college-aged males in this country, please note that he is in a fraternity.
Also note that this particular Iowan believes that we wouldn't have a national debt if only "men were in charge" instead of the country being "dominated by women in the congress", assertions I find simultaneously depressing and hilarious.
DOH! Obviously not!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Who the hell names their kid after John Tyler, anyway?
...and if Indiana University's students are really this fuckin' dumb it should do a better job of protecting their identities for them.
Holy Wordless Marcel "Christ" Marceau-
MIMES FOR JEEZUS!!!!
you can't make this kind of silliness up...
That is damned scary. I couldn't go any further than the front page.
OT, what's with all the Chomsky-bashing, anyway? For one thing, Noam can spell.
BTW, k & y, by looking over the titles on the various Chumbawumba LPs, it appears that my tape is of the 1990 "Slap!" which according to Amazon is unavailable domestically - so it probably DID come off a bootleg originally. It's always bugged me not knowing the song names or LP name - thanks!
Sorry to rest of you for going OT, but if you haven't checked out old Chumbawumba (pre-Tubthumper) there's a lot there to like.
BlakNo1-they're black! They're black Mimes for Christ in whiteface! We are not kidding!!!!
kei & yuri - and also, they look kinda gay in that pose on the homepage. Which would make them gay black Mimes for Christ.
Like I said, if they would just stick to the comic relief....
"These identical twins silently interpret contemporary Gospel music with dramatic gestures and animated facial expressions, portraying man's resisting of life's evil temptations and His transformation from doubter to believer."
Goddamn, that's one helluva sentence.
It's SATIRE, you fools. Critical thought trips over it's own hubris.
Empty circle jerk.
"His," not "his". Hmmm.
Also, no. Ain't nothing wrong with "gay," but something wrong with everything else.
ranty, evidence? ever read the christian right's idea of english before? this slop is quite in keeping with how they write, though it is the worst example yet.
He never did get around to explaining 'wiped'. But thanks to some people above (I'm pretty slow) I see it's a satire on 'whipped'.
Anyway it's clearly parody. It's most likely group-written some non-IU students.
In fact it's probably brought to us by the same people who bring us Adam Yoshida.
yu are all talk about speling but yu dont are noticing that atris speld FEbuary rong
john dont do that air like yu liberrlz
He's real and he's fabulous!
The Chicago Tribune's critic had the best comment on the Gibson obsession that I've seen. Michael Wilmington's review said, and I quote, "it's not at all boring." Don't know about you but that sure took a load off MY mind. Still won't see it and won't even buy one of the souvenir spikes Gibson has authorized. These tasteful souvenirs are almost flying off the shelves, but I'd be afraid some of the profit might somehow find its way to sponsoring Father Gibson's Holocaust denial activities.
As for the kid, don't know how this pre-law commentator found his way to blogspot, but whether he's a special friend of the General or a complete stranger, his 15 minutes of fame have arrived.
These are precisely the "Marching Morons" warned about in Cyril Kornbluth's classic novel. Even more than the rising tide of totalism, it's this constant investment in ignorance, bigotry, and superstition that scares me. The science advisors who advocate pollution, the sex educators who advocate ONLY abstinence, the real science that is abandoned-- from stem cells to the Hubble telescope-- in a single-minded quest for Medieval certainties-- it all turns us backward. All right, everyone, back into the cave! It's shadow time!
The Chicago Tribune's critic had the best comment on the Gibson obsession that I've seen. Michael Wilmington's review said, and I quote, "it's not at all boring." Don't know about you but that sure took a load off MY mind. Still won't see it and won't even buy one of the souvenir spikes Gibson has authorized. These tasteful souvenirs are almost flying off the shelves, but I'd be afraid some of the profit might somehow find its way to sponsoring Father Gibson's Holocaust denial activities.
As for the kid, don't know how this pre-law commentator found his way to blogspot, but whether he's a special friend of the General or a complete stranger, his 15 minutes of fame have arrived.
These are precisely the "Marching Morons" warned about in Cyril Kornbluth's classic novel. Even more than the rising tide of totalism, it's this constant investment in ignorance, bigotry, and superstition that scares me. The science advisors who advocate pollution, the sex educators who advocate ONLY abstinence, the real science that is abandoned-- from stem cells to the Hubble telescope-- in a single-minded quest for Medieval certainties-- it all turns us backward. All right, everyone, back into the cave! It's shadow time!
Kids!
Corroborative evidence exists for the existence of Jesus outside of the Gospels. Josephus, an important first-century Jewish history, wrote of Jesus. Josephus corroborates that he was the martyred leader of the church in jerusalem and that he was a wise teacher who had established a wide and lasting following, despite the fact that he had been crucified uner Pilate at the instigation of some of the Jewish leaders. Josephus' accounts of the Jewish War have proved to be very accurate; for example, they've been corroborated through archaeological excavations at Masada as well as by historians like Tacitus. He's considered to be a pretty reliable historian, and his mentioning of Jesus is considered extremely important.
How about Jesus the Hot-Air Balloon?
http://www.merrittministry.org/j...rg/
jesushom.htm
I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up for the gop convention this year.
Oh, dear. I hit refresh, so there I am again. I AM sorry and I DO apologize.
Since I'm here, in case you missed it, there's an interesting discussion of Gays and the Bible over at Pandagon, with a lot of insightful and informative comments: http://www.pandagon.net/
mtarchiv...01273.html#more
And for a terrific and fun page on the Bible's idea of proper marriage, don't miss this:
http://www.thecommongood.org/
CGN...almarriage.html
This second page in particular makes a good supplement to the pointed questions asked in that hilarious Letter to Dr. Laura that you may have seen around a while ago. It's all over the place. Here's one
http://www.physicsforums.com/arc...pic/2945-
1.html
I always knew Christianity was full of hot air, but who knew Jesus was as well...
Moreover, Tacitus recorded what is probably the most important reference to Jesus outside the New Testament. In A.D. 115 he explicitly states that Nero persecuted the Christians as scapegoats to divert suspicion away from himself for the great fire that had devasted Rome in A.D. 64. This is an important testimony by an unsympathetic witness to the success and spread of Christianity, based on a historical figure -- Jesus -- who was crucified under Pontius Pilate. And it's significant that Tacitus reported that an immense multitude held so strongly to their beliefs that they were willing to die rather than recant.
Pliny the Younger, the nephew of Pliny the Elder, the famous encyclopedist who died in the eruption of Vesuvius in A.D. 79, had also referred to Christianity in his writings. Pliny the Younger became governor of Bithynia in northwestern Turkey, and much of his correspondence with his friend, Emperor Trajan, has been preserved to the present time. In book 10 of these letters he specifically refers to the Christians he has arrested. This was probably written about A.D. 111, and his letter attested to the rapid spread of Christianity, both in the city and in the rural area, among every class of persons, slave women as well as Roman citizens (he mentions that he is going to send Roman Christians to Rome for trial). He also mentiones the worship of Jesus as God, that Christians maintained high ethical standards, and that they were not easily swayed from their beliefs.
Anyone who wants to read about the evidence for the life of Jesus, and about the early Christians and church, should check out Thomas Cahill's Desire of the Everlasting Hills. It could be helpful to the fundamentalist types in particular, but for the rest of us, it's just an interesting and well-written book.
And what about those references in the New Testament where the gospel writers claim that the earth went dark during a portion of the time Jesus hung on the cross?
In his 1968 book Pontius Pilate, Paul Maier writes this:
This phenomenon, evidently, was visible in Rome, Athens, and other Mediterranean cities. According to Tertullian ... it was a "cosmic" or "world event." Phlegon, a Greek author from Caria writing a chronology soon after 137 A.D., reported that in the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e., 33 A.D.), there was "the greatest eclipse of the sun" and that "it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i.e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea."
So there is, as Maier points out, non-biblical attestation of the darkness that occurred at the time of Jesus' crucifixion. Apparently, some found the need to try to give it a natural explanation by saying it was an eclipse.
By the way, many critics of Gibson have pointed out that his depiction of Pilate is inaccurate, that such wavering and vacillating would be unlikely in such an obstinate and merciless ruler. But Pilate's protector or patron, Sejanus, fell from power in A.D. 31 for plotting against the emperor. This would have made Pilate's position very weak in A.D. 33, which is most likely when Jesus was crucified. Hence his vacillation -- he didn't want to get into further trouble with the emperor.
The Talmud, too, makes reference to Jesus, and in a negative way corroborates his existence. Early Jewish references support the gospel claim that he was a healer and a miracle worker, that he was a teacher, that he had disciples, and that at least in the earlier Rabbinic period not all of the sages had finally made up their minds that he was a heretic or a deceiver.
Summary
Even without the New Testament or any other Christian writings, what would we be able to conclude about Jesus from reading ancient non-Christian sources?
1. Jesus was a Jewish teacher.
2. Many people believed that he performed healings and exorcisms.
3. Some people believed he was the Messiah.
4. He was rejected by the Jewish leaders.
5. He was crucified under Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius.
6. Despite his shameful death, his followers, who believed that he was still alive, spread beyond Palestine so that there were multitudes of them in Rome by A.D. 64.
7. All kinds of people from the cities and countryside -- men and women, slave and free -- worshipped him as God.
In the most recent entry on the IU blog, Our Hero claims to have a 3.25 GPA. Grade inflation much?
Q. Why does Jesus hate M&Ms?
A. They always fall through the holes in his hands.
Martin, the darkening of the sky. Enron.
Arguing about whether Jesus really existed isn't very useful in my opinion.. For one thing, you could never prove that he did not. There is enough text in the new testament to have a pretty consistent new story, instead of a retread of an old one. And the strength of his followers starting right after his death.
I'm pretty sure Pontius Pilate was an obsessive-compulsive. Washing his hands 30-40 times a day.
And Michael Wilmington: thumbs down on the Passion, thumbs up on "Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights".
I think I'll take the scourging.
I'm voting satire. But:
I hired a grad student recenlty from a peer university of IU for a part-time job. His clips looked good, references checked out.
He was a fucking idiot. One story was so hilarious, I e-mailed it to friends for entertainment. Great fun.
So, who nose?
Almost certainly satire. I was pulled in at first, but then a poster at patriotboy pointed the following out:
Unfortunately, responsibility, accountability, appointment, required, accusations, supplementing--ALL SPELLED CORRECTLY. You're telling me somebody spells these words correctly but not "certain"? I don't think so.
My hat's off to him. Spot-on brilliant.
eh, recently, of course.
I know it's really hard for some people to believe, but I knew that IU blog was authentic as soon as I saw it. I spent most of the first 18 years of my life in Hoosierland and I won't recount all the instances of ignorance I witnessed. . . but I've seen enough to know those kinds of views are seriously held by a significant part of the population. I bet he's from the southern part of the state . . . south of Indianapolis, you get the worst parts of the South (racism -- folks, the KKK used to run the state of Indiana in the 20's and they were still pretty popular when I was there in the early 90's -- Bible-beating, etc) without the charming parts of the South (pleasant accents, hospitality, killer BBQ).
As for college student writing skills, his are a bit less than average, but not outside of the norm (my ESL students are more eloquent, I'd have to say . . . but they're Californians and not Hoosiers). IU is a pretty good school, but it is obligated to take a lot of in-state students (or maybe he's a "legacy" admittee) that aren't quite sterling.
He's really in trouble if he thinks he's going to pass the LSAT though.
Greg-- pretty much _all_ the words are spelled correctly; they just aren't the _right_ words (wiped instead of whipped, etc). He's using a spell checker, _very_badly_.
That's if it's for real. I remain agnostic on the point.
"Unfortunately, responsibility, accountability, appointment, required, accusations, supplementing--ALL SPELLED CORRECTLY. You're telling me somebody spells these words correctly but not "certain"? I don't think so."
he uses spellcheck.
"If these acquisitions are true."
cosmic grappler: I loved the previous post where he says there are only three reasons why a girl would kiss him
The best thing is that he goes on to mention 4 reasons: When the girl initiates the first kiss it can mean three things. Their is; [1] she’s so drunk she could be kissing a wall for all she knew [2] kiss, the just for fun why not, [3] and the opening strikes in her hostile take over. [4] If their are other girls around then it is similar to a dog peeing on a tree to mark its territory. You of course being the tree. And I am afraid it was this kind.
Well what can you expevt from someone who thinks Miss Saigon is "hard to understand"...?
"Unfortunately, responsibility, accountability, appointment, required, accusations, supplementing--ALL SPELLED CORRECTLY. You're telling me somebody spells these words correctly but not "certain"? I don't think so."
serial offender
This tempts me to go into one of my rants over standard English spelling, its stupidity, its contribution to elitism and discouragement of thinking and writing, and its condemnation by many, many of the smartest people who have ever thought in the language.
I'll spare you this time.
It's not the spelling that shows if someone is stupid, its not even the punctuation and typos. It's the ideas and how they're put out.
While I've run into people as numb as this guy, it could be a spoof. Maybe the fact that we can't tell is as revealing as anything about the quality of conservative discourse in 2004. He's really not far from the average conservative you see on TV or hear on the radio. He's not even that far down from some conservative columnists. Jeff Jacoby comes to mind, as did Barnicle when he was still dictating his column for the Globe. Atrios' mention of Goldberg is right on the mark.
Would someone that ass-wipingly stupid be able to keep up a weblog? Would someone that ignorant even know of the existence of such a thing? or care? This is almost cretinly a parody.
The absolutely fascinating part is that Atrios posting of this drew the usual thugs to defend it EVEN THOUGH THE GUY WAS MOCKING THEM.
The absolutely SAD part is that many people probably mocked the German fascists at first, as well.
This guy may strike many people as unsophisticated, even bizarre, but I haven't heard Republican principles put more movingly since Nixon's resignation speech.
The date of each new thread is Febuary, probably couldn't spell check there. Typically, with the latest post, there's no consistency -- it's Feb. 25.
I'm still undecided between clueless naivete or tuned-in parody.
Martin-no. Give the Nazis a few centuries and they'd crib together "evidence" of Jewish global plots. It is a certainty, first introduced to us in the debunking of the Josephus additions, that cross-worshippers, lacking as they do any "objective" respect for facts, inserted "history" to suit them, to include within the Bible itself. That is, with what books they allowed to exist: their usual response, with *ADORABLE* Barbie™-like disdain for math and science, was the Pyre. It is really no diffferent than talking to any other kind of cultist-the issue is not what they can do for the truth but what the truth can do for them. Which is not to call Martin or all christians actual cultists but really, you must not accept something coming out of, say, the PRC or PDRK without a little salt, and it's no different for early Christianity. Adulthood means scepticism-by all means examine the evidence, but all of it.
Also we'd like to add to the Hoosierland testimony that one of our hobbies is crossy, racist and rightist propaganda (viz Jack T. Chick, at "homepage") and we find this believable because this is consistant with what we see regularly.
But this subtle femdom kink-kissing as claiming-too fun!
Incidentally, Christian distaste for truth was not just limited to third-century censors or "unevolved" twentieth century textbooks: Louis Pasteur, the great French scientific mind who gave us milk (in the BASF sense), was a devout Roman Catholic who regularly distorted experimental results when it suited him, particularly in testing the results of his rivals.
Alright, this is what convinced me it's a joke. The love interest Stef(ph). She comes into his life just as the blog starts. Relationship is sure to take central role as blog develops.
kei & yuri,
Yes, in fact there were some later Christian insertions made to Josephus, which were "debunked" as you put it, but today there's a remarkable concensus among both Jewish and Christian scholars that his passage as a whole is authethenic. Partiuclarly the passage by Josephus which talks about Jesus' trial and curcifixion and the fact that his followers still loved him. This is unexceptional and considered genuine. "Adulthood means scepticism--by all means examine the evidence, but all of it." Indeed.
Hee! The perpetrator of "IU Day by Day" has admitted that the whole thing was a homework assignment.
That's right . . . here's his mea culpa:
Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!
some of you were starting to figure it out. This was a joke. It was for my telecom class. It was a contest to see who could get 5000 hits first and I won. If you want to know i am realy a libertarin. I realy cant spell in real life. In elementry I always did well in every thing except english class.
Doing this was fun. I think i might keep doing somthing like it. Should i keep going with satire or should I do somthing else? email me with what you think.
the mistake i made in this though was the messege at the top. if i was as stupid as i was letting on I would not of been smart enought to manipulate my http document on my template. some one actualy called me on it on another fourm.
# posted by John : 8:14 AM
Tell him what you think (he's responding to comments now):
http://iudaybyday.blogspot.com/
2...ay_archive.html
Many unanswered questions remain about this though. . . where exactly does the parody begin and end? (he really is a frat boy, but claims to be the more enlightened sort). Took me in I will admit . . . but at least I could tell he was really a Hoosier and not a Texan, as seemed to be claiming . . .
i am form indiana but a lot of my family is from texas
and they would say what i said about the confederatcy
i am form indiana but a lot of my family is from texas
and they would say what i said about the confederatcy
We tried to make it more than it was, even as parody.
I thought the dumb act was a clever ruse. Apparently, it's genuine.
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I hate to bust your bubble, but in your haste to make Goldberg and conservatives look bad, it appears that you've been scammed by a prankster! Go back and look at the source post again.
You have linked a leftwing satirist's reference to a fake post and commented on it as real .....
Can you say "egg on my face"?
I hope you're honest enough to say so.....
Cheers!
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