I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Another madrassa. Oy.
In any journalism school or training program, there should be a class dedicated to "If you want to write from the perspecitve of viewpoints, philosphies or anything else that you personally want to advance, get the hell out of news."
Along the way she heard about World Journalism Institute—a program offering something the University of Missouri had not provided. Here was an opportunity to integrate her Christian faith with her study of journalism.
Replace "Christian" with "Jewish" or "Muslim" and tell me that the fundies wouldn't be hitting the roof. I dare you, trolls.
From the previous thread:
Can you site one source (ever) of evangelical Christians expressing a desire to "control the news media"?
Here ya go, buddy!
What Would Jesus Report?
About fucking time!
World Journalism Institute thinks God has a plan for a good number of other able journalists—and with your help wants to provide them with that added edge that moves them past just being journalists who also happen to be Christians to the point where they are self-conscious Christians, mixing it up in the secular media, competing for top jobs and making a difference in an often pagan world.
That should set off alarm bells, everyone.
As if every journalist doesn't think s/he's doing god's work.
Replace "Christian" with "Jewish" or "Muslim" and tell me that the fundies wouldn't be hitting the roof.
Bingo!
As if every journalist doesn't think s/he's doing god's work.
Hmm. Good argument.
Oh wait, no, that was an incredibly weak argument.
What's the big deal?
I took a graduate level seminar in 'History of Journalism' with Marvin Olasky in the early 90s. He's a total crackpot.
He has some pretty bizarre writings, like defending creationists, and somewhat admiring stuff about witch burning. He's a nut, but a dangerous one.
Holy shit!
ah yes...
I'm proud to say that I went to school with the Belz girls (Joel's daughters) at Asheville Christian Academy in Asheville, North Carolina. If you hate your children, please, please send them to this school.
Though attending only 3 years, I still wake up with cold sweats from dreams about that place.
...and take a gander at World magazine if you want a flava of joel and his cohorts style...
Do you remember that Olasky said that three journalists, including Frank Rich, practiced the "religion of Zeus"? Just coincidentally, the journalists were all Jewish, as was Olasky, before he converted to militant Islam---I mean Christianity.
It was bizarre.
Stealth Crusaders - bet they've figured they can fly under the radar, too - fuckers! Friends in High Places and all that - bet they never consider that there might be such a thing as a righteous pagan, or Hindu, or Muslim, or Jew, or Buddhist.... Welcome to the 21st Century!
I wonder what exactly they mean by "pagan world." Do they mean secular or non-Christian? As far as media companies go, is this coded Anti-Semitism?
Yeah, I pretty knew where this was going when I saw the name Marvin Olasky.
I prefer to have what I read filtered by Jesus. This reduces the chances of being offended or having to think hard, which makes my head hurt.
Religion is evil.
'Moderate' liberal Christians who read Eschaton comments, stop bitching about people who denounce your precious religion, and give up your stupid religion instead. It's just a con.
cre-e-epy.
the WJI and all the other recent initiatives that have come from religious conservatives are just another part of their endless attempt to catch up in the game with the secularized world. being fundamentalists who have resistance to change as their defining cause, they will always be two steps behind. public education and the media have had a huge part in dismantling the pillars of religion, such as dogma, so it makes sense that now, after decades of watching their influence evaporate, evangelicals & co. finally realize that maybe it's a good idea to try to get some of it under control, because, really, what's religion without control. Considering the big picture, things are still going bad for the religious zealots nevertheless, secularism is winning, and WJI won't change that.
"It was quite a contrast with the liberal teachers I had at the university," says Lynde. "Yes, I really did have some who wanted me to believe there is no such thing as right and wrong. Did that mean, I thought, that I should get an A in all my classes, since I couldn't really provide any wrong answers?"
Guess she never took a journalism ethics course--which, strange to say, MOST journalism curricula require. And the second sentence makes absolutely no sense to me. Unless she is afraid of having to think for herself--which most fundies confuse with moral relativism given half a chance. After all, how can you know what to do unless you get the "official" word from the hierarchy? Sheesh, Martin Luther is probably spinning in his grave.
Anyway, anyone who feels they need to attend classes in "Christian Journalism" to integrate both profession and life are far too dependent upon that pat on the head from an "official" Christian to begin with.
And since when the hell does Christian="not liberal"?
I say that as a Christian (Lutheran, no less--but she's probably Missouri Synod, which is equivalent to the Southern Baptists on the "biblical literalism and inerrancy" scale) and as a journalist in training.
But maybe that's just me.
I read the New York Times. By the way, Jeff Gerth is going to hell.
Mark B. -- Unless I miss my guess, Olasky was mixed up with that nutbar Duane Gish (remember him) trying to take down Dr. George Oleshevsky (a paleontologist) in a letters-to-the-editor foofaraw. ISTR Harlan Ellison devoting quite a number of column inches to it.
While I've got nothing against an op-ed style of journalism, there are places for that sort of thing (The Nation or The American Spectator, for instance, and places where one should concentrate as much as possible on not pushing an agenda. This idea that Christian journalists have some sort of divine mandate to infiltrate "secular" publications and convert them (a very loud subtext in that blurb, did you notice?) is rather disturbing.
World can keep itself, though. Frankly, I'd rather not.
The Church of the Cosmic Iguana finds them guilty of one of the seven deadly sins:
Iguana Commandments
The Church of the Cosmic Iguana finds them guilty of one of the seven deadly sins:
Iguana Commandments
It's like Children of the Corn.
"Jebbediah? You better put down that rake now, before somebody gets hurt!"
"God has a plan for me"
I hope it has to do with fucking young boys.
pagan?
I had no idea people still used that word except in jest or in reference to Greek and Roman mythology.
It's long been a trick for local fundies to get elected to school boards and county commisions pretending to be normal boring Rs or Ds and only unleashing their crazed agenda when they've stealthily achieved a majority.
Could fundie infiltration explain the appalling state of US journalism for the past decade? Candy Crowley, Kyra Phillips, Heidi Collins, Bill Hemmer--stealth fundies all, I'll bet you.
And here's as disingenuous a quote as I've ever read:
"It was quite a contrast with the liberal teachers I had at the university," says Lynde. "Yes, I really did have some who wanted me to believe there is no such thing as right and wrong. Did that mean, I thought, that I should get an A in all my classes, since I couldn't really provide any wrong answers?"
As someone who spent a long time in grad school, and has taught for a while, this is nonsense. The only prof I know of who used this "all As" rationale was the philosopher Whitehead at Harvard, and only after he had tenure. His rationale, paraphrased from memory, was "If a student does a bad job, it could be read as either my fault or God's fault, and I don't want to start such speculation."
And that's the only one I know of--I've worked with post-modernists, post-structuralists and deconstrustionists, and they're hardasses when it comes to knowing what you're doing. They adamantly do not elinimate standards, and are often the most ruthless enforcers of grammar, of professional etiquette, of old-fashioned sourcing and of "factism," (as some of them might call it).
Obviously this bitch is peddling a cartoon of dizzy academia for people who know nothing of college.
If you're confused, I can deconstruct the terms "right" and "wrong" on request and clarify why the bitch is still all wrong
Something just occured to me...
Lynde says WJI gave her a framework within which to put the rest of her studies. "I wasn't indoctrinated; I'm pretty pig-headed and would have resisted that," she says.
Um, who said anything about you being indoctrinated, sweetie? This is exactly the sort of preemptive statement that cult members use when describing their "program."
Does anyone know if Marvin Olansky has set up a cult of personality around himself?
What's the fucking problem? Everyone knows that the real estate business and teaching "philosophy" are one and the same. This is nothing new. If you can sell a rube a piece of shit used car or a house built on swampland, you can sell them anything. This is pure huckterism. The only surprise is that they didn't bother to put a new coat of paint on it.
Blech!
How simple-minded to argue that liberal university courses teach that there is no such thing as right and wrong. I guess she wasn't yet at the maturation level that's required for independent thinking when she took some course that required it. She just wanted to take notes to cram for the exams. I know the scene.
It takes some ability to think to approch the concepts of right and wrong in realistic manner. NO course says that there are no such things; what they say is to look at how people decide what's right and wrong and why they end up with different views on that. No, she's prime madrassa material, though I never could understand why any woman would join the nutboys. That, I think, is wrong.
WORLD magazine currently has a fascinating (read: ridiculous and frightening) article on creationism/ID:
"WORLD asked four leaders of the Intelligent Design Movement to have some fun: Imagine writing in 2025, on the 100th anniversary of the famous Scopes "monkey" trial, and explain how Darwinism has bit the dust, unable to rebut the evidence that what we see around us could not have arisen merely by time plus chance."
Because an additional 21 years of ID "research," which has to date proposed no viable hypotheses or even methodolgies, will doubtless trump 166 years of meticulously documented evidence in favor of evolution.
OT, but if you don't think moronic brownshirt fucks like the type that post here are dangerous, read this.
We just like to dance in our goatskin pants, around these ancient ruins.
Signed,
The SCLM
Olasky, by the way, is the "godfather" of W's compassionate convervatism. Google Olasky, George, Bush.
Just in case noone else has said it:
Jesus Christ!
though I never could understand why any woman would join the nutboys
'Cause ultimately all she wants to do is stay home and sprog? Some women like that sort of thing, although it boggles the mind why... "Ladies against Women" have a long and colourful history, after all. Just ask Phyllis Schlafly, who made some of her college money by testing automatic weapons, IIRC...
Sad to see such hard-core conservatism in the young, though. I thought young people were supposed to be radicals (and then Rotarians by age 30 or so -- whoops, looks like I ain't a-gonna make it)?
even if Kerry wins, I am going to France. They have an established religion there, and nobody goes to church.
My kind of country.
There may be hope yet for my beloved Catholic Church. Sooner or later it will self-destruct.
Maybe THEY are behind the disasterous decline in journalism standards!
The Stonecutters?
Keep up the good work, Atrios. Unmask these fanatic morons, one and all.
Heh, that Pope article was listed under Reuters - Oddly Enough.
I guess Reuters is just another bunch of those eeeevil pagan sekuler humanists.
Darwinism has bit the dust, unable to rebut the evidence that what we see around us could not have arisen merely by time plus chance.
Neither physics nor Darwinism relies on anything as reductionist as "time plus chance." Look up the terms "self-organizing systems" or "self-organizing complex systems" if you don't know what I mean. They apply to everything from the Big Bang to schools of fishes to computer gremlins. You've got much more than time and chance, but you don't need "God" or some pallid substitute like "Intelligent Design"--or for that matter, the "Creator" of the Founding Fathers, or Hegel's Geist.
"World" magazine, not to be confused with "UU World".
Heaven forbid (HAHAHAHAHA).
OT, but if you don't think moronic brownshirt fucks like the type that post here are dangerous, read this.
dave | Email | Homepage | 03.27.04 - 10:42 pm | #
A very frightening post.It seems the violence I have been theorizing about over this election is going to come to fruition(sp?).Tho a little earlier than maybe I was thinking.It seems we are all at risk for the political positions we stand for.And if your gay that makes it even more dangerous.A very dangerous time is in front of us,and even if Kerry IS elected it will not abate.
"I really did have some who wanted me to believe there is no such thing as right and wrong. Did that mean, I thought, that I should get an A in all my classes, since I couldn't really provide any wrong answers?"
Excuse me, did she in that passage prove that she can't tell the difference between (ethically) "right and wrong" and (epistemically) "true and false"? Eek.
OT, but if you don't think moronic brownshirt fucks like the type that post here are dangerous, read this.(link to orcinus)
dave | Email | Homepage | 03.27.04 - 10:42 pm | #
Dave,
yeah i read it,i suggest that everyone on this board should read Neiwert's blog regularly.
Careful tho-
reading too much Orcinus in one sitting can be a very eye-opening and scary experience.
PUKE PUKE PUKE PUKE.
....just another reason to not live in IN.
Bring it on.
I remember reading an account by a Holocaust survivor who thought they should have greeted the Nazis at the door with an axe to the face, every time they came to take someone away.
If enough people resist, forcibly and without hesitation, it will stop.
Remember, the people at the top are riding a tiger and they KNOW it. No Army in the world can protect a government whose time has come.
Even more fun is when you type [Lynde Hedgpath +Jesus] into google.
http://tinyurl.com/yrrzo
[Lynde Hedgpath +god] gives us a story that must have been especially difficult for our young chosen one to cover.
http://tinyurl.com/2fqly
Some higlights:
The 54-year-old Candler resident is charged with 27 sex offenses involving the Adonai Christian Academy student.
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He taught English, science and Bible studies to middle and high school students at the kindergarten through 12th grade school.
Be sure and check out Lynde's brilliant save to end the story. The WJI must be proud.
Speaking of lame journos...
MoDo is so "fly"
Looks like Lynde picked the right place to start saving souls. [Lynde Hedgpath +christ]
http://tinyurl.com/3yox5
An Internet request asking a 13-year-old girl to meet for sex at a motel launched a criminal investigation involving former Montreat College President John S. Lindberg, police said Wednesday...
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"The college continues to press forward to fulfill its mission to the glory of Jesus Christ," [a college spokeman] said. "Because we know he will sustain us, we look forward to the future."
Who knew Asheville, NC was Sin City South?
After reading Friday's first post on WJI (disclosure -- I am the editor of a suburban Dallas weekly newspaper) I went to WJI's site. I noticed one of the editorial writers and occasional op-ed columnists at The Dallas Morning News was listed as a "guest teacher." So I e-mailed the News' editorial page editor, including some WJI mission statement quotes from the website, and asked if she saw a conflict of interest, had any concerns, etc.
I also said that, according to WJI, Mr. Dreher lived in Brooklyn, not Dallas, and I asked if this was correct as well. (He used to write for NR among others.)
Haven't heard back from her yet.
ROFL. Check out the last paragraph of the link jason posted.
"I just want the truth. God said where light is shone, there can be no darkness," she said.
I'm guessing thats the line the teacher used to rape the boy.
Why waste space? But I'll do it anyway. The proof that man created God, and not the other way around, is the very concept of monotheism. Man is ordering God that He, She, or It must remain in one "form." There can be no deviation. The very people who believe that God is "all powerful," reject the idea that it's possible that He, She, or It can assume more than one "form."
"It was quite a contrast with the liberal teachers I had at the university," says Lynde. "Yes, I really did have some who wanted me to believe there is no such thing as right and wrong."
Interesting, Moses supposedly brings down some commandments that say thou shalt not kill, then the motherfucking false god had the israelites invade and kill their way across the 'land of milk and honey'.
Nice way to say there is no right and wrong when.
MYOB'
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Gifts to WJI are tax deductible. But much more important, they will spring loose a growing stream of Lynde Hedgpeths in our terribly needy society.
What the fuck? our tax dollars are going to support these idiots?
And Dave, that Orcinus post is scary as hell. These people are why I think that even if we win the election, we're going to lose the war. A religious civil war is coming.
I think I'm with Nancy, I want to live in a country that hasn't been infiltrated by these fundie wackadoos.
i smell a wiff of Wisconsin synod.
this lutheran's synod was not all that anti-gay.
I think I'm with Nancy, I want to live in a country that hasn't been infiltrated by these fundie wackadoos.
If we leave this one and let them take control, they'll be just as dangerous as if Osama took over Pakistan.
Look up in the sky! It's an airborne bloodied male from Nazareth! It's a rocketing messiah! It's Christ, the Screaming Avenger!
HEADLINE--THE DAILY PLANET
"Son Of God Goes On Rampage, Puts Plethora of Pagans in Perpetual Prison"
AND
"Four-Eared Kitten Tilts Rapture Index Into Code Red"
It's been fun playing.
+++
If we leave this one and let them take control, they'll be just as dangerous as if Osama took over Pakistan.
Seraphiel
True, but I'm not sure I want to stay and be killed by these idiots. Nor am I particularly interested in killing them. I haven't got the stomach for it.
four legs good:
And Dave, that Orcinus post is scary as hell. These people are why I think that even if we win the election, we're going to lose the war. A religious civil war is coming.
I think I'm with Nancy, I want to live in a country that hasn't been infiltrated by these fundie wackadoos.
What is the actual percentage of fundamentalist wackos in the general population in the U.S.A? I see all sorts of different numbers about that.
My impression is that they are not that many, say 30-40 million at most, but that they are in power. If so, it should be possible to boot them out.
The problem has so far been the general inertia/politeness of the rest of Americans, or a disbelief in the actual growing danger. I still barely ever see critical writing about religiousness as applied to this country, or anything about how almost anyone can be a preacher here with no learning of theology required, and can then go out and preach bullshit to vulnerable people.
If, otoh, the percentage of fundies is over 50%, I'm out, too. I'd rather fight them from some sort of a support base.
Hey did anyone check out the commentary at the bottom of the Hedgpeth article Artios linked to?
Egg Syntax?
WTF?
What is the actual percentage of fundamentalist wackos in the general population in the U.S.A? I see all sorts of different numbers about that.
My impression is that they are not that many, say 30-40 million at most, but that they are in power. If so, it should be possible to boot them out.
I don't know, but I think there are more of them than you think. And they are many more who would identify themselves as religious. It's a very scary situation.
"What is the actual percentage of fundamentalist wackos in the general population in the U.S.A? I see all sorts of different numbers about that.
My impression is that they are not that many, say 30-40 million at most, but that they are in power. If so, it should be possible to boot them out."
If this number is right then we have nothing to fear(NOT!).I saw a report a few weeks ago that put the number of atheists at roughly the same number.I,however think the number of RR is much higher than 30-40 million.Hell theres more than that here in Dallas.I couldnt imagine how many more are in other major cities across the south.And I do believe that if the number is right then we have something to worry about,because it is them who are in power,remember,the RR is in the majority of the house and senate AND the presidency AND the SCOTUS.DOnt forget we have the reverend moony in control of the "respected" Washer times AND the UPI news service.Also the fortune 500 leader of the year is the Walton family,another of the fanatical RR.
In shorter terms:
We're fucked!
pagan?
I had no idea people still used that word except in jest or in reference to Greek and Roman mythology.
All the practising Pagans in the world would beg to differ.
ANd if these fundies think that this is a Pagan world, I have to ask why so many Pagans still feel that they have ot keep their religion secret so they don't get fired from their jobs, verbally attacked or worse at the hands of Christians and demi-christians who have spent the last fifteen hundred years conducting government-sponsored smear campaings against Pagans wherever they could find them
Could be worse. At least they can't burn us at the stake anymore. Well, not at the moment anyway
Oh, Ms. Lynde and her co-reporter appear to have gotten "taken."
Look at the people they interviewed -- it includes someone named "Egg Syntax." Yeah, right.
It's not their number that's scary. It's their abiltiy to convince the average person that a threat to christianity is a threat to america. They're greatest method of uniting is to stoke everyman's fears and then organize a lynching.
Unfortunately, half the population is the stoopid half.
I'm going to do some research into the number of fundamentalists next week when I have time. It must be possible to get a more accurate number.
One reason they are in power is that other people have been too innocent. I talked to more people than I can count before the 2000 elections, telling them what Bush was planning (exactly pretty much what he has done, with the exception of the 9/11 related events), and I was told many times that I was exaggerating, that I was a lunatic and other similar stuff. Or that there's nothing that can be done. So I guess some people do deserve the government they get; the trouble is that others get it, too, without deserving it at all.
Oh, Ms. Lynde and her co-reporter appear to have gotten "taken."
Look at the people they interviewed -- it includes someone named "Egg Syntax." Yeah, right.
Steve Snyder
You can read some of Egg Syntax's own journalism efforts here
And no, I don't know him. I just googled him out of interest.
And I've been trying to tell ya' there's a group like WJI for every profession from real estate agent to Physician to- you name it.
We can only hope they follow the usual pattern and fall prey to sectarian squabbling. But that only happens when people care about theology and it's details. All these people care about is POWER.
And the rest of us don't know right from wrong. Jeez!
The number of actual, hardcore-lunatic "religious right" activists there are is probably small enough.
But our concern will be the people who do identify themselves as religious, and who can be easily swayed by people pretending to be one of them. For example, consider Georgie Bush, who enjoys much rabid support in the fundy community, in spite of his distinctly anti-Christian behavior...
It's the "Good Germans" we have to worry about.
Well the media needs more christians and conservatives, former James Baker Ass't Sec of State Marge Tutwiler helped with that, she was Dean of BAMA's communications program for half a decade to help insert journalists...
We need more religious people in science, maybe then we'll end the myths of evolution, and prove once and for all that the earth is really flat and the center of the universe.
Until we get to that point all we can hope for is to do our best each day and praise the lord in the meantime.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammo...
As an opponent of the RR, I find that one of the best organizations to counter them is Americans United for Separation of Church and State. They put out a monthly publication which is worth the membership. Also, one can be put on their email list for alerts. Americans United is for people of faith and people with no faith at all.
They have a good legal team and were involved in the removal of the Roy Moore's 10 commandments monument from the state court house in Alabama.
Hope this helps the pagans and athiests.
Joe Conason has practically an entire chapter in
"Big Lies" on Olasky. He is indeed the spiritual godfather of "compassionate conservatism," which like everything else cranked out by the Leninists masquerading under its name, neither.
Conason informs readers that in the 70s, before he became a Jebofascist, Olasky was a one of two or three admirers of the Brezhnev-era USSR.
In other words, another Horowitz.
What news stories would Jesus spike?
please take pity on me... i'm new at this but have been reading ao atrios/blogspot for weeks. the religious right freaks me out. i saw this and thought you might like to see what that fool, judge ray moore is up to....(i don't know how to use tinyurl so bear with me)...Judge Roy Moore Introduces Constitution Restoration Act 2004 http://www.waff.com/Global/story...y.asp?
S=1644862
Judge Roy Moore Introduces Constitution Restoration Act 2004
Fortunately for us, these people aren't nearly as smart as they are evil.
The only way to revoke the constitutional authority of the courts is to (wait for it) amend the Constitution. Writing a bill, or a hundred bills, won't do any good, since the courts will simply deem them unconstitutional.
I would have thought a Judge would understand something like that, but I guess he's even dumber than I thought.
Many of us are religious nutcases.
According to this Harris Poll, "Many people believe in miracles (89%), the devil (68%), hell (69%), ghosts (51%), astrology (31%) and reincarnation (27%)....31% of the public believes in astrology."
Here's another international survey in which it was found, "The highest levels of belief were found in some of the world's poorer countries, as well as in the US."
As it happens, "In Lebanon and the US, 71% said they were willing to die for their God or their beliefs."
The subject of prayer found 95% of Nigerians and 67% in the US claiming to pray regularly.
You want to know how many Fundies there are in the US? just wait a few months; I hear there's going to be a poll on Nov 4
Is the Iraq War a religious war?
Why, yes, it is.
"Analysis of the speeches of President George W. Bush, especially those commenting on the war on terrorism, show that many are laced with religious language and imagery. For example, terrorists have been repeatedly referred to as 'evildoers.' However, Bush's description of the war on terrorism as a 'crusade' is the most alarming. Amplifying this fundamentalist rhetoric, Lt. General William G. Boykin, the deputy undersecretary of Defense for US intelligence, described the war on terrorism as a 'clash between Judeo-Christian values and Satan.'"
Here are some surveys with some horrifying percentages of people who have been conned by religion. Example: 60% of Americans believe the Noah story is literally true, 61% believe the world was created in 6 days, etc.
Literally.
While, as Atrios noted previously, Jack Kelly has been mysteriously deleted as a speaker for WJI's "
May Term Journalism Course: Journalism in the Capital", the cached version noted proudly that:
"He has co-authored two books with USA TODAY founder Allen H. Neuharth, Nearly One World (Doubleday, 1989) and World Power Up Close (USA TODAY books, 1989), after taking a 32-nation newsgathering tour with Neuharth in 1988 called JetCapade. ... He resigned from the paper on January 5, 2004 and is now working on a book about his experiences overseas."
Oh, and here's the URL for their entire guest speaker list:
http://www.worldji.com/faculty.asp
Michelle Malkin -- sure. Besty Hart -- I can see it. But Jonny Hart? (I mean, I know he wears his religion on his sleeve, but what could he teach ambitious young journalists like Lynde?)
Why aren't you all in bed. You've got to get up for church in the morning!
i went to midnight mass
Oh, interestingly enough, 93% of scientists, you know, smart people for whose daily lives and jobs revolve around rationality and evidence, don't believe in God.
Another article by Lynde is interesting: Anti-gay billboards outrage some
Read it over, and then note that although the story is about an employee who "stole" billboard space without his employer's knowledge to promote a religiously motivated anti-gay agenda, the final three paragraphs of the article are given over to someone named "Jim Tolley" who doesn't seem to have ANYTHING to do with the story at all.
Except, he gets to spout off on how unfair people are to gay-bashers, about how true Christians believe in posting bible verses about gays being bad bad bad, and about how he would be PROUD to show off his bigotry.
Why was he included? Well, it's pretty clear why: Lynde needed someone to bash on gays. So she found this guy,who has nothing to do with the story, and got him to say gays are evil according to some version of Christianity.
She could have interviewed a minister. Or a rabbi. (It's the "old testament" after all.) She could have found a gay man or woman -- maybe someone from PFLAG Asheville (who I found in about 30 seconds of Googling). Maybe one of the people who came into Barbara Phillips' store and was offended. Any and all of these people would have been closer to the story than random "Asheville resident Jim Tolley".
Is this the type of journalism [sic] taught by WJI? Interview an unconnected individual to get quotes for slamming on queers?
--Kynn
I don't need to go to church tomorrow. I'm a goddess, and I do believe in myself, so that would probably make me a wacko...
Another great article by Lynde!
Seems she won an award for a series about a boy who blew his hands making a bomb of some kind.
What's Lynde's story say? Well ... Responsible Internet regulation can prevent future accidents like Josh's
Except for this niggling detail (emphasis mine):
The morning after his fiance's son made a small bomb that exploded in his hands, Rick Isaacs got on the Internet looking for answers.
Where did then-14-year-old Josh Combs learn how to make the tiny grenade that had destroyed his hands?
Rick was shocked to find 147 Web sites devoted to making the type of CO2 cartridge bomb Josh made. Though Josh got the information from a friend, any teenager could have easily found the bomb-making instructions with a few keystrokes.
...
In fact, the Combs' home computer had parental controls on it, but Josh got the information from a friend.
But, of course, the Internet is at fault. Lynde Hedgpeth says so!
--Kynn
Woops, here's the won an award link.
--Kynn
Hmmm this seems to a Christian form of Lysenkoism.
It will though, self-destruct eventually since it tolerates corruption and lieing among it adepts like Kelly. His experience will only encourage other sociopaths to use WJI as a ladder to advancement thus destroying what little credibility this institution has.
In this darkened age of political cynicism, the role of collegians has become monumental. Despite their importance, the youth of America has apathetically abdicated themselves of their responsibility.
As an organization dedicated to the inclusion of eligible voters, the R.D.P.I.O.P. is profoundly distressed by this erosion. Simply stated, our nation must reinvest its resources and eradicate our youth’s excuses. We must return our greatest process to our best generation.
As both founder and president of the R.D.P.I.O.P., I welcome the opportunity to discuss the aforementioned with you. Please do not hesitate to contact me by either mail or at 1-740-269-2400. Thank you and I look forward to speaking with you.
Sincerely,
Raymond J. Smalley
President
R.D.P.I.O.P.
Uh, could someone tell me what's so outrageous about the Hedgpeth articles that have been linked here?
(Other than that an avowed evangelical Christian wrote them.)
The really scary stuff is here:
http://give.ccci.org/featured/bi...les-iraq-radio/
Lynde Hedgpath: the kind of name John Waters would give to one of his villians, like the psychitarist who tried to "save" the integrationist daughter in "Hairspray" with a spinning wheel.
technicality, I explained. First, the article about the anti-gay billboard featured anti-gay quotes from someone unconnected with the story at all.
Secondly, the "blame the Internet first" article is just obnoxious.
--Kynn
"This is the stuff that we live by as Christians. I felt like I have a right to read that stuff and tell someone about it," Tolley said.
Given the propensity of CJI members to simply make shit up, one has to wonder if this isn't Ms. Hedgpath speaking.
one of the core issues here is the dilution of what journalism has always been about -- or at least, supposed to be about: impartiality and clarity in reporting.
where once it was taboo to bring an agenda to one's reporting, it appears it's now not only acceptable but an imperative.
ultimately, religious people feel they are on a mission to convert the rest of us.
that's at the root of all of this. somehow, they're just sure if it, they can "turn" us to "god" whatever that is.
whether it's a copy of the watchtower at 8am on sunday morning or the LA Times on the driveway, apparently there isn't much difference anymore.
As far as media companies go, is this coded Anti-Semitism?
Barryus Manilowus
It could be coded anti-anything-that-isn't-their-brand-of-
fundamentalism. We've been having this conversation over at RightChristians about fundamentalism. If anyone isn't convinced by now, check out this:
The First Prince of the Theocratic States of America
It happened quietly, with barely a mention in the media. Only the Washington Post dutifully reported it.[1] And only Kevin Phillips saw its significance in his new book, American Dynasty.[2] On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition.
Behind the scenes religious conservatives were abuzz with excitement. They believed Robertson had stepped down to allow the ascendance of the President of the United States of America to take his rightful place as the head of the true American Holy Christian Church.
Robertson’s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation.
As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe “… that government …derives its moral authority from God. Government is the ‘minister of God’ with powers to ‘revenge,’ to ‘execute wrath,’ including even wrath by the sword…”[3]
George W. Bush began to wield the sword of God’s revenge with relish from the beginning of his administration, but most of us missed the sword play. I have taken the liberty to paraphrase an illustration from Leo Strauss, the father of the neo-conservative movement, which gives us a clue of how the hiding is done: “One ought not to say to those whom one wants to kill, ‘Give me your votes, because your votes will enable me to kill you and I want to kill you,’ but merely, ‘Give me your votes,’ for once you have the power of the votes in your hand, you can satisfy your desire.”[4]
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This article is the documented story of how a political religious movement called Dominionism gained control of the Republican Party, then took over Congress, then took over the White House, and now is sealing the conversion of America to a theocracy by taking over the American Judiciary. It’s the story of why and how “the wrath of God Almighty” will be unleashed against the middle class, against the poor, and against the elderly and sick of this nation by George W. Bush and his army of Republican Dominionist “rulers.”
The Despoiling o
The Despoiling of America. It's at YuricaReport.org.
And I put about eight 'off italics tags' dammit!
Uh, could someone tell me what's so outrageous about the Hedgpeth articles that have been linked here?
(Other than that an avowed evangelical Christian wrote them.) technicality
Uh, could it be that journalists should be unbiased, or objective? Not have a specific flavor? You know those old-fashioned values?
eyyeww. Savonarola lives.
are we at the dawn of a new dark age? or will this lunacy fade in the day of a new scientific age? we can only hope.
Ha. She wasn't indoctrinated, shes too pig headed for that.
I wonder if there was any difference between what she was taught and how she was raised.
If anyone else has raised this point, umm, I can't be fucked reading the whole thread before ignorantly ranting off at anything that moves.
OT but good news (i guess).
Great Britain is allowing same-sex civil unions, with the same rights as marriage.
http://tinyurl.com/2e2on
WKD, she's from Midland. That give you a clue?
Streaker:
don't sweat the petty things
and don't pet the sweaty things
The US was founded by religious fanatics.
They didn't move to North America to escape persecution.
They moved here so they could persecute without interference.
I've hoped since childhood that rising levels of education would eliminate religious fundamentalism. However now that I'm older I realize that the mental disease is far more adaptive than that.
Is there any solution to this problem?
OT but OMFG
from the misleader.org
A Daily Chronicle of Bush Administration Distortion
March 26, 2004 | Daily Mislead Archive
White House, 4/01: Focus on Bin Laden "A Mistake"
A previously forgotten report from April 2001 (four months before 9/11) shows that the Bush Administration officially declared it "a mistake" to focus "so much energy on Osama bin Laden." The report directly contradicts the White House's continued assertion that fighting terrorism was its "top priority" before the 9/11 attacks1.
Specifically, on April 30, 2001, CNN reported that the Bush Administration's release of the government's annual terrorism report contained a serious change: "there was no extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden" as there had been in previous years. When asked why the Administration had reduced the focus, "a senior Bush State Department official told CNN the U.S. government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden."2.
The move to downgrade the fight against Al Qaeda before 9/11 was not the only instance where the Administration ignored repeated warnings that an Al Qaeda attack was imminent3. Specifically, the Associated Press reported in 2002 that "President Bush's national security leadership met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks yet terrorism was the topic during only two of those sessions"4. Meanwhile, Newsweek has reported that internal government documents show that the Bush Administration moved to "de-emphasize" counterterrorism prior to 9/115. When "FBI officials sought to add hundreds more counterintelligence agents" to deal with the problem, "they got shot down" by the White House.
this has GOT to get out there ppl
thanks to the misleader for the story, huh?
RRRRight. Bush is the antichrist? Sorry, we've seen this movie before.
Fuck this god crap. We're fairly hairless apes walking mostly upright through our nearly deforested planet, but we still have ants underfoot. Here, now, in southern California, the mockingbirds sing the night away. I think I'll repair to the patio for a cigarette and enjoy a glass of wine while the rats pirouette beneath the jade plants (thick green bush-like succulents).
Is there any solution to this problem?
We used to have an alternative, which was generally termed The Enlightenment, but that, it seems, more or less criminalized masturbation. Apart from that, and the horrors of the twentieth century, it's unclear that we secular few have a better program.
That's not to deny that the Enlightenment is alive and well outside the borders of the United States.
If she's so intelligent, why does she have to resort to the tired "librul professors" riff?
I hereby nominate Egg Syntax as the coolest name since Opheera McDoom.
Atrios, this article completely blew my mind Government Executive Magazine - 9/19/00 CIA, FBI and Pentagon team to fight terrorism Seriously, have you seen this one??? Maybe it's old news ...
"I think the Ames case [1995] was the jumping off point in taking cooperation between the FBI and CIA seriously, because it proved that we could no longer tolerate petty bureaucratic jealousy and turf wars in dealing with threats to American security," Tenet said in an interview. "And from the very beginning, we consciously sought to institutionalize the reforms at all working levels so that they would become steeped in our culture and not dependent on transient personalities."
There's even a Bremer quote in there!
Nancy Richardson - I am sorry to disappoint you but France does not have an established religion but people do go to church. However, I do suggest that you come to England as it does have an established religion (which is usually very liberal provided you keep away from the evangelical and catholic wings) and very few people go to church. However, going to church isn't that bad. All you do is sing a few hymns (some of which are bloody good songs), listen to a sermon which will normally put you to sleep and then shake the vicar's hand as you leave. Quite civilised for a Sunday morning. Most people in England now worship at the alter of Mammon which means they sit in a traffic jam as they try to get to their church (aka retail park), spend hours wandering around the aisles and then spend hours queuing at the till (checkout). This makes me think that shopping is a religion. Give me an established church anyday.
BTW, according to a recent TV programme (BBC's Horizon), before there was matter there were only neutrinos so logically we are all descended from neutrinos (what a cosmic idea!). Has anybody come across an attempt by the creationist/I.D. fuckwits to include this in their theories?
In light of this, take a look at this article in the Atlanta "Creative Loafing." As someone who grew up going to a Presbyterian Church in America (referenced in the article) church, and who was involved in their college campus ministry, I was a little surprised to see how far the movement has progressed since I left it 20 years ago.
John Whitehead, whose Rutherford Institute financed Paula Jones's lawsuits, is also one of the crew.
Ok, I linked to the supposed example of Lynde's "journalism" and lo and behold it took me to my hometown paper and an article by Clarke Morrison. "Asheville rally heats up gay marriage debate" (a rally that I was at!)
There is nothing written by a Lynde Hedgpeth. The author listed is Clarke Morrison.
???
Staff Writer Lynde Hedgpeth contributed to this article.
Thanks Bob.
Atrios readers who wish to leave comment on the article (and the authors) are given an opportunity by the paper here,
http://tinyurl.com/yqjlu
Tippy-toeing across my little mind this morning - it appears that this lovely pseudo-grad school for 'journalists' is actually out to create what used to be known as 'columnists.'
As I recall, news types all wanted a columnist gig - better money, better hours, you got to say what you liked. Sometimes it had to do with news, sometimes not. But it was a much kuhler thing to be than a beat reporter. There being only a finite number of such choice slots it's looking more and more as tho these beat reporters are just insisting that they really are columnists. Funny way for a newspaper to be run, any newspaper. However, if everybody with a phony degree can now be Jimmy Breslin or Jack Smith or Jim Murray from the day they start work, it probably explains quite a lot.
Too early for me and youse guys were up way too late.
"...The proof that man created God, and not the other way around, is the very concept of monotheism. Man is ordering God that He, She, or It must remain in one "form."..."
Town Drunk,
Very clever! Not bad for a sot. And what, btw, are you drinking?
Lynde makes me ashamed to admit that I used to string for the Asheville Citizen-Times.
Jesus, maybe Olasky should have taught Lynne to write.
The article is laughable. It's WAY to long, for one thing - and it looks like a total greenhorn wrote it.
I don't think anyone's going to have to worry about these folks getting top jobs.
BACKGROUND OF THE WORLD JOURNALISM INSTITUTE:
The World Journalism Institute's stated mission can be found at the organization's web site, http://www.worldji.com/why.asp. This states in part:
In this age of mass secular media, the mission of the World Journalism Institute is to overcome the culture's efforts to eclipse God by providing a counter-thrust to the secular media, as well as the tepid and non-discerning Christian media. To this end, WJI must engage the journalism establishment earnestly at the frontiers of human news to uncover the currently obscured Word and truth of God by being faithful eyewitnesses to His activities. By helping train aspiring Biblically-minded journalists, WJI can lift the spiritually impoverished public to the renewing grace of God, and to this end we must press our unwilling materialistic-naturalistic newsroom culture itself into the strategic service of the universal and unrelenting claims of the Lord of the cosmos. To accomplish this journalistic task, a focused, rigorous and highly theological approach to Christian journalism is needed to train Christian journalists to "stand in the gap" (Ezekiel 22:30) and be "watchmen" for our society. God's fingerprints and footprints are on everything that exists. Everything is theological. The crisis in our culture is more theological than political or economic. WJI's journalism courses strive to be that training ground for a new wind of Christian journalists. In setting the tone for this vision of Christian journalism, Carl Henry has said,
We need editors who speak critically not only of the secular press but self-critically of evangelical ambiguities, hesitancies, and compromises. The ultimate justification of an evangelical press is the illumination of God's Word and of its demands upon our generation.
WJI's spiritual legacy springs from L. Nelson Bell, the founder of the WJI's predecessor organization. "A Brief History of the World Journalism Institute", on the WJI's web site, states that L. Nelson Bell was the founder of the Southern Presbyterian Journal, first published in 1942. The Southern Presbyterian Journal's avowed purpose was "to challenge the assumptions and the activities of the liberals, and to return the church to its biblical moorings." Bell was Billy Graham's father-in-law, and was "not only a member of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association's board of directors, but also an extremely influential personal advisor and trouble shooter for the preacher" according to the Wheaton College archive where Bell's papers are kept, (see http://www.wheaton.edu/bgc/archi...GUIDES/318.htm)
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The Southern Presbyterian Journal's Board of Directors changed the name of the organization to God's World Publications in 1981. World Magazine is the house organ of God's World Publications of Asheville, NC; their newest division is the World Journalism Institute.
WJI and God's World Publications were publicly criticized in the n
(ABOVE POST CONT'D):
WJI and God's World Publications were publicly criticized in the national press in February 2000, when the conservative New York Times columnist William Safire attacked Marvin Olasky, the editor of "World Magazine" the flagship publication of God's World Publications. Safire accused Olasky and his organization of "religio-political sleaze" when they published an attack on John McCain a few days before the South Carolina primary. The article was written by Bob Jones, IV, son of the present head of Bob Jones University. In the article, McCain was smeared as an inattentive husband with an insinuation that he did not care about his wife's addiction to painkillers. McCain was also described as using "liberal, even Marxist, terminology" in his discussions of tax policy.
Olasky's books are on the required reading list for the summer course Mr. Rivenburg taught at Master's College for the WJI.
Nelson Bell's spiritual heir Billy Graham recently received embarrassing publicity when the National Archives released tapes of a meeting he held with President Nixon at a prayer breakfast in 1972. In the meeting, Graham told Nixon that he agreed left-wing Jews dominate the news media, and said that the Jewish "stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain." While Graham apologized for the comments, the revelation prompted Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League to issue a press release, stating that "It is shameful that one of America's most respected religious leaders and a spiritual advisor to Presidents believed and espoused age-old classical anti-Semitic canards."
I used to go to church with this very same Lynde Hedgpeth. Her dad, Skip, was the sort of guy who has a divorce and some Bible training and therefore assumes this makes him qualified to become a relationship counselor (WTF???). Her brother, Adam, was an OK guy who shared my passion for SNES Square games. From what I remember of her mom (this is 10 years past now), it seems leaving that marriage was a measure in self-preservation.
We weren't Missouri Synod, just your regular brand of Lutheranism. I was never that hardcore, but my dad didn't fancy himself a pastor. Lynde and I got along fairly well, but my family's attendance at churhc began to slow, so we lost touch. Our schools often went to the same speech tournaments, where I remember Lynde's penchant for the sloppy, Jesus-hand-job type of oration real deabters loathe and lay judges eat up.
It's funny where the years take us. I'm an out-of the-closet, pot-smoking, casually-employed columnist for the Tech paper (www.universitydaily.net); and Lynde has chosen a less-healthy profession. I almost wanna write her and tell her what a fucking hack she is, but that would just give form and weight to the invisible enemies she thinks she's fighting...
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