I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist makes me ashamed for being born in Tennessee and glad to have had the sense to move away.
Why didn't little Dicky solve the problem before the felqatalist Klintoon and his suurogate Sore, was voted out of the White House?
So this is going to be a white wash and Bush's people aren't even trying to hide it. Don't these people take an oath to defend the Constitution? Maybe republicans take one to defend George fucking coward Bush.
What exactly are the needed steps to get Frist censured?
feqatalist? HA HA stupid wingers are so ignorant they make up words! or else just parroting Rush in a very high moment.
Oh great. Salt Water's going to be posting in this thread. I think I'll skip it.
Dozens of declassified citations...so the cretins are still declassifying crap bit-by-bit?
Isn't Frist protected from libel since he made his statement from the Senate floor (*ahem* McCarthy *ahem*)? What could they censure him for?
Hmmm, berating the felqatalist klintoon.
I think it's another euphemism.
They can censure for slander from the Senate floor, Frist just can't be sued for it.
But, of course, since he's majority leader I won't hold my breath.
Courtesy Linkpostingguy in the Kay thread, front page of WaPo tomorrow:
Framework of Clarke's Book is Bolstered.
Warning: PDF Get Your Censure On.
What could they censure him for?
For being a disgrace to the nation, and for being a total douchebag.
Sadly, he's still fairly young, so, barring an act of God (lightning bolt, meteorite, localized swarm of locusts, etc) we should be seeing his smug, poisonous face for quite some time to come.
Seriously, though, Atrios. Why would you censor my comments?
Because you're a spamming, dull, repetative boor?
Slander, not libel, my bad.
Hopefully Kerry's people are hard at work prepaing split screen commercials of Condi showing her on one screen lying her ass off to all who would listen during her anti-clarke smear campaign, and on the other, showing her at the hearings, iunder oath, back tracking, hemming and hawing till her head deflates and she slithers to the floor.
Will someone ask her why she called Willie Brown the night before 9/11 and warned him not to travel by air the next day. Brown admits this happened, but refuses to disclose that it was his buddy Condi.
Remember to set your clocks forward an hour before going to bed, tonite.
Willie Brown is buddies with Rice? That guy's sleazier than I thought.
his former colleagues have poked holes in his narration of the early months of 2001 and have found evidence that Clarke elevated his own importance in those events.
What holes in the narrative?
OT, yet interesting:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/
S...1185438,00.html
points out for just how long the invasion has been a done deal between Blair and Bush, the steps Blair took to conceal his intentions to his cabinet and the people. An offer by the french to keep quiet about Iraq (which was rejected). etc.
What could they censure him for?
Being an unredeemable moron on the Senate floor, and thus bringing shame and disgrace to that fine institution of which old white pricks.
Frist is just plain evil. Spawn of Satan.
OT... I know how sheeple get brainwashed, now. TV is on while I am on computer. They have played Bush advertisement about Kerry voting to increase taxes blah blah blah at least 3 times in the last 15 minutes.
Hey, you, oldwhitelady. What state is that you are in, geographically speaking?
Missouri
Maybe it was 30 minutes, but it sure seemed like 15.
Even
Robert G. Stevenson, spokesman for Frist, said yesterday that because the material is classified he could not discuss details of Clarke's praise for the Bush administration. But he said that on March 24, while Clarke was testifying before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, as the panel is formally known, a number of staff members of the Senate intelligence committee familiar with Clarke's 2002 joint intelligence committee testimony contacted the senator's staff and said "the tone" was "quite different from 2002."
Fucking hypocritical coward!
"I can't talk about it because of national security... but his tone was perjerous!"
Censure Frist for abuse of his office in making a criminal charge from the floor of the Senate!
Let me try that again in html.
Even the Brits are having a problem.
Plame On!
In memory of John O'Neill
No wonder. Bush is slightly ahead there. Or was in the last poll i think.
Thank you, ma'am.
quick clarification:
"Censure Frist for abuse of his office in making a false criminal charge from the floor of the Senate!"
there once was a doctor named Frist
whose panties were all in a twist
"Perjurer" he cried
but his staffers were fried
now he's being crossed off the A-list.
Remember to set your clocks forward an hour before going to bed, tonite.
Man, er, OWL, don't let's get me started on DST. ...I think there are places, including parts of Indiana (?) that do not observe the time change. I did a piece on this last year and found some hilarious quotes from local politicians complaining that they didn't need hippies telling 'em how to set their clocks.
(Frist is a douchebag. But is he a douchebag for liberty?)
there once was a doctor named Frist
whose panties were all in a twist
"Perjurer" he cried
but his staffers were fried
now he's being crossed off the A-list.
there once was a doctor named Frist
whose panties were all in a twist
"Perjurer" he cried
but his staffers were fried
now he's being crossed off the A-list.
damned fequalist refresh button! Damn it all to hell. now i have to go soil the tadpole.
Erik G: That link was the most fun I've had on the internet in a long time! The only thing that spoiled it eventually was that it all sounded like Dennis Miller's patented brand of non-sequitor shit. Although, now I do know how easy it is to sound like him...
Courtesy Linkpostingguy in the Kay thread, front page of WaPo tomorrow:
Framework of Clarke's Book is Bolstered.
Wow. TPTB at WaPo have finally let Pincus back on A1, where he belongs! Now we know the tide is turning.
I expect Ms Rice to claim that a number of questions can't be answered because of "national security". It will be interesting for the commission to compare her testimony to that of Bush/Cheney. I suppose that appearing together is the only way that Bush/Cheney will be able to synch their answers.
Scorpio
Eccentricity
Frist's speech was just a two-fold attempt at discredting Clarke and setting the table for Sunday Talk Shows, and perhaps any Sunday analysis of Clarke's testimony in the op-ed pages.
It was a good pre-emptive attempt at commandeering the airwaves and providing talking points for editorial writers, Fox News and any other chowder head who was spooked by Clarke's testimony.
It is also hard to believe, despite it being made on the Senate floor, that the speech was at all serious. In part, because even Frist admitted he didn't know what Clarke's 2002 testimony consists of. So, in making the speech, the Senator started a slow rolling speculation ball. Thankfully, it had little momentum since more speculation was targetted, by the media, at Rice's "60 Minutes" interview.
enh. whattayagonna do? Vote the bums out? or, just complain about them?
I expect Ms Rice to claim that a number of questions can't be answered because of "national security".
Or, better yet, to tell them to ask so-and-so from another office, knowing full well that he commission stupidly agreed not to call anymore witnesses from the White House staff.
Wow. TPTB at WaPo have finally let Pincus back on A1, where he belongs! Now we know the tide is turning.
Sad in a way, Pincus always brightened my page A32 when the Bushies were flogging the Iraq warhorse. 
Or, better yet, to tell them to ask so-and-so from another office, knowing full well that he commission stupidly agreed not to call anymore witnesses from the White House staff.
Don't you think the press will eat her alive if she tries to pull that?
I know! I know! It's from "High School Madness!"
PORGIE: ...I have to go to the last meeting of the Feqatalist Club.
MUDHEAD: Gee, Porgie, I didn't know you masturbated!
gonna have to go with a dollar crime with friskie.
but darned if a cat murderer is gonna have a chance running for president.
Idiot, fine. cat killer? no.
pbb: enh. whattayagonna do? Vote the bums out? or, just complain about them?
I'm in TN, so I can vote this asshat out. Frist? I wouldn't cross the street to piss down his gullet if his lungs were on fire.
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Don't you think the press will eat her alive if she tries to pull that?
[vizzini]
You'd like to think that, wouldn't you!
[/vizzini]
Just watch. I would not be at all surprised to see Condi try the "that's really not my department, you need to ask..."
And if she does, most of the press will yawn, or applaud her bravery for daring to go into that lions' den of partisan politics, the fucking Democrat-polluted America-hating 9/11 profiteering commission.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone of them used words verily like those, either.
The American press is a lost cause. We'll have to deal with them after Bush is evicted from the White House.
I dunno what that means, but I want to be one.
Anyone who would us a phrase like "Feqatalist Klintoon" in supposedly rational discourse is a coprophagous poltroon -- like his hero W.
Censure Frist for intimidating potential witness involved in an inquiry of great national importance by making false charges of perjury from the floor of the Senate. Basing the charges on classified testimony made it impossible for the accussed to fully defend himself against the false charge.
Censure Frist (or at least introduce a resolution to that effect) in order to show the Republicans that we are not going to stand by idly when this kind of crap takes place on the floor of the "world's greatest deliberative body."
Censure Frist because he is the Republican leader in the Senate and it will force every other Republican Senator to state, on the record, if they acquiesce such behavior.
Censure Frist because it will show the rest of the nation that the Democrats have found their balls and will stand up when the powerful trample on honest citizens.
Does anyone need any more reasons?
This commision is a sham.The RR think its a waste of time and the left think its a noose ready for filling.I think it's a show that has no substance.Even when condi comes out with her dog and pony show it will mean nothing in the long run.
The ONLY good thing that might MIGHT come out of this charade is that the government gets a little bit of a change.The commisioners are thinking about some changes that are relevant.Sorry I dont have a link,but they are thinking of making a change to the way the president is getting his information from the NSC people.How I dont know but i heard this on CHarley ROse the other day.Also they are thinking of putting the CIA and the FBI under congressional review.
The president in all his failures of the day will not be a scape goat like we all want.Nor will anyone else.It is unfortunate but this is whats going to happen IMO.
This president has failed us in many ways but to not fire anyone or make any procedural changes is going to haunt us,and soon I believe.We are still sitting ducks and all we can do is think to indict someone on the grounds they were telling stories.
What a crock our political system is these days when saftey comes last on the political agenda.
About Daylight Saving Time: When I moved to Indiana, and asked why they didn't use dsl, I was told "Cows don't change their clocks".
dave
More support for Clarke just appeared
on the front page of the guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/
S...1185438,00.html
The fact the no one has been fired over the complete breakdown of security and intelligence on 9/11 is the most telling indictment of Bush's so-called leadership. Nothing is ever his fault -- and apparently it's no one else's fault either. But, hey, shit happens when you've got a shithead in the Oval Office.
Don't you think the press will eat her alive if she tries to pull that?
Sure the press will -- in Europe and Asia.
But in the USA? -- "Rice rebuts Clarke criticism" will be the headline.
The press in the USA has already been given knives, forks, and a salt shaker -- everything they need to eat the entire Bush administration alive. When one evalauates the performance of the Bush administration only two conclusions are possible: either they are massively incompetent at running a country in the name of its citizens ("We the people") or they are outright liars. The press has been pussyfooting around these conclusions without seeming to be able to make them. Anyone who thinks for himself could make up a list of 20 or 30 major issues (minor issues run into the thousands) that lead to only two possible conclusions: incompetence or mendacity, while the press is still struggling with "troubling allegations".
The press should be running full page spreads with paired columns showing "what they said" and "what they did". Don't hold your breath.
Frist makes me sick.
The most sweeping challenge to Clarke's account has come from two Bush allies, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) and Fred F. Fielding, a member of investigative panel
I don't think anyone has mentioned that Fred Fielding is most probably Deep Throat. Google FF's name and "Deep Throat" and you'll see what I mean. I think it was the U of Illinois' J-School who did the research.
But I'm not sure the sinister implications of Deep Throat now working as a Bushbot, or is he?
Yeah GayJ, as a matter of fact we do need another reason.
Why don't you try to make this one legally suitable you fucking waste of a perfectly roten education. BTY - You better get your gay lover out of your fucking dorm room. Parietals ended at 11:00
PS - You may want to contact Backsider. Apparently he takes it up the ass as well.
As for "felqatalist," could it be a 3-way compound cubist fusion of "felon," "al-qaeda" and "fatalist"? Remember, this is Klintoon we're talking about.
If there are any implications, Draco, then Deep Throat Sold Out. That is, if he was indeed Deep Throat. If so, then perhaps he just took his own advice and followed the money.
On another note:
America is being sold down the river, folks. Do your best to explain how to people who haven't considered it. Explain it to them in ways which they can understand in ways which they can connect with. Pocketbook issues are a good place to start....
there should have been a semi-colon in that second sentence. oops.
The Tone OMG not The Tone!!! Please gawd, do not let it be The Tone. We are doomed, doomed I say, because of a change in The Tone of Richard Clarke's voice.
Pathetic and this is the best they can come up with?
What I can't figure out is why they insist Clarke MUST have been lying when he said good things about BushCo.
What I can't figure out is why they insist Clarke MUST have been lying when he said good things about BushCo.
About Daylight Saving Time: When I moved to Indiana, and asked why they didn't use dsl, I was told "Cows don't change their clocks".
But they've veen voting for years.
What I can't figure out is why they insist Clarke MUST have been lying when he said good things about BushCo.
Is this a trick question?
If I said good things about Bush, it would be a lie.
If you said good things about Bush, it would be a lie.
When they say good things about Bush they know it's . . .
Stephen Crowley over at the New York Observer had a nice piece describing the several steps in the Standard Bush Smear. Read it (found in through www.cursor.org). Crowley thinks that the slime descends from the very, very top: President Codpiece himself.
Why don't these guys just admit that they were wrong about threats to America in 2001? Of the several reasons that I knew before, now I hit on the final one: Because 11 September didn't really change their thinking. It's still all about state-supported threats and rogue regimes (with missiles!) and, later rather than sooner, but sure, Russia and China. Admitting they were wrong then would admit that they are wrong now.
Oh, by the way, whenever you read a quote from Jim R. Wilkinson, write it off as a lie. He's a GOP basket case.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/
0,2763,1185438,00.html
Bush and Blair made secret pact for Iraq war
· Decision came nine days after 9/11
· Ex-ambassador reveals discussion
David Rose
Sunday April 4, 2004
The Observer
President George Bush first asked Tony Blair to support the removal of Saddam Hussein from power at a private White House dinner nine days after the terror attacks of 11 September, 2001.
According to Sir Christopher Meyer, the former British Ambassador to Washington, who was at the dinner when Blair became the first foreign leader to visit America after 11 September, Blair told Bush he should not get distracted from the war on terror's initial goal - dealing with the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
Bush, claims Meyer, replied by saying: 'I agree with you, Tony. We must deal with this first. But when we have dealt with Afghanistan, we must come back to Iraq.' Regime change was already US policy.
I agree with censure. In fact, a grownup Republican would ask to step down from his leadership role. That speech demeaned the Senate.
Why are the only trolls on this thread delivering juvenile attacks and not addressing the actual issue of Frist's hoof-in-mouth disease? Hmmmm?
Felines For Frist!
Frist commits malpractice every time he opens his mouth. He should go back to torturing cats.
Brian C.B.: When it comes to the Bush junta, I don't think "it's still all about state-supported threats and rogue regimes." Now they got their war against terror, and you almost have to believe in a benevolent God to comprehend how blessed the Bush gangsters are with this turn of events. Instead of a cold war against a defined, but largely manufactured, threat, they now have a perpetual hot war against a real but shifting threat they can use to scare the shit out of moron Americans. Perpetual war for perpetual profit. Profit to enable them to buy this election, after stealing the first one. Power to wage perpetual war, etc. You get the picture.
As for daylight saving time, one good thing you can say about the state I live in--Aridzona, or Arizona--is that we don't have DST. Give me a week and I'll think of something else. Oh yeah, we got a Demo Gov: Janet Piestewa!
stop making fun; tribble didn't write feqatalist. it's felqatalist.
see, now it makes sense. ma ba sha aweebee boomala skreep, n'est-ce pas?
i don't believe 'twas a real tribble. s/he was one of ours spoofing, no doubt. if not, this country's in worse shape than fat tony thinks.
Did you catch the appalling piece SNL did on the Clarke testimony last night?
The joke? That Clarke tells increasingly fantastic and incoherant stories to incredulous committee members. Man, what a knee slapper.
Now I know what it would be like if Karl Rove went into comedy.
Harry - please tell me that the studio audience wasn't laughing.
Is Lorne Michaels a fucking Republican or what? They've had a golden opportunity for the past year to do a skit on "Liar's Club" ("the first rule of Liar's Club is...don't talk about Liar's Club!") featuring all of the administration figures we've come to know and love. How about a skit where they're all sitting around trying to outdo each other by coming up with the biggest whopper, and taking bets on whether or not they can sell it to the press and public? W: "Hey...hey...how 'bout this one? Saddam is trying to buy uranium from Africa!" As Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove and Powell dissolve into knee-slapping helpless laughter, a teary-eyed Cheney says, "That's priceless! I've got $50K that says you can't sell that one even with all of us helping! And if you do, I'll up the ante by outing a CIA covert operative!" "Yer ON!" says Dubya.
"the tone" was "quite different from 2002."
As ridiculous as this claim is, Clarke already addressed it in his testimony before the commission last month. As he said, his book is angrier in tone because it addresses the Iraq adventure fuck-up, which was worse than the regime's having done nothing in 2001 because the invasion increases the threat of terrorism -- and no one asked him about that in his previous appearance before the commission.
Censure Frist for his exquisitely tender feelings about things and sensibilities which are easily offended.
Get over it, Bill.
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Admitting they were wrong then would admit that they are wrong now.
Excellent point.
.I think there are places, including parts of Indiana (?) that do not observe the time change.
Most of Indiana is on EST year-round. This got me in trouble when I bought my parents one of the first radio-synchronized clocks for Christmas, and they couldn't figure out how to keep it from resetting itself to daylight time.
There are two enclaves in the west that observe Chicago time year-round, and two in the east that observe Cincinnati/Louisville time. NIST's time zone database is an intricate political history of standard time in Indiana, recording one- or two-year interludes during which individual counties or even individual towns set their own policies with respect to standard time.
Frist has always been out of his depth as majority leader (but then so is Hastert). His inept attempt to slime Clarke on the Senate floor is laughable by comparison with the facility with which the Vice President can go on, say, the Limbaugh program, and do it dismissively, in an aside, without even seeming particularly bothered by the issue.
I got this outta da republician rule for for politics. Just substitute Republician Party for society:
"...the tyranny of the majority was at first, and is still vulgarly, held in dread, chiefly as operating through the acts of the public authorities. But reflecting persons perceived that when society is itself the tyrant — society collectively over the separate individuals who compose it — its means of tyrannizing are not restricted to the acts which it may do by the hands of its political functionaries. Society can and does execute its own mandates; and if it issues wrong mandates instead of right, or any mandates at all in things with which it ought not to meddle, it practices a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself. Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough; there needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling, against the tendency of society to impose, by other means than civil penalties, its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them; to fetter the development and, if possible, prevent the formation of any individuality not in harmony with its ways, and compel all characters to fashion themselves upon the model of its own. There is a limit to the legitimate interference of collective opinion with individual independence; and to find that limit, and maintain it against encroachment, is as indispensable to a good condition of human affairs as protection against political despotism."
regards
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"Why didn't little Dicky solve the problem before the felqatalist Klintoon and his suurogate Sore, was voted out of the White House?"
What's a felqatalist?
"Why didn't little Dicky solve the problem before the felqatalist Klintoon and his suurogate Sore, was voted out of the White House?"
What's a felqatalist?
Norah
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That's what you get when they allow 6-year-olds to use Internet-connected computers at the library. The kid was probably angry that the library filters wouldn't let him look at those nude pictures of SpongeBob SquarePants.
Wow!
I've posted a few dozen times to this blog over the past year, but at 3:36 AM I got my first sliming from a troll! I feel like I've arrived -- even if it clearly was by someone who needs to get more sleep ... and sex ... and a life.
I think I'll have a party to celebrate.
I don't suppose that there's any point in noting that the article, as is usual for the SCLM, starts with the Administration-friendly interpretation of events ("have poked holes in his narration") and buries the facts deeper in the article ("White House offiials familiar with the testimony agree that any differences are matters of emphasis, not fact"). They also mention Frist's statements on the Senate floor, where he's immune from slander suits, but neglect to mention that he retracted those statements off the Senate floor, where he had no such immunity.
It gets tiring trying to read between the lines all the time.
Can Clarke sue for slander or libel...whichever one is appropriate for spoken bullshit character assasination?
Can Clarke sue for slander or libel...whichever one is appropriate for spoken bullshit character assasination?
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