I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist!
we don't need no stinking congress...
Congress was totally in the bag.
This is Divine Right, peon. Apres moi, le deluge.
The overriding conclusion one gets from studying pre-911, is that Bush and Rice and the rest saw counter terrorism as a drain on resources.
With a little luck, this COULD get bigger than Watergate.
Forgive me, Mr. Sandburg...
THE fog (of war) comes
on little (calico) cat feet.
It sits looking
over harbor and (new york) city
on silent haunches
and then moves on.
And didn't Woodward help uncover Watergate?
The body language sounds a lot like Richard Clarke's encounter -- "Iraq Saddam" etc. Looks like evidence in Clarke's favor to me.
sgulp!
The end of July 2002, they need $700 million, a large amount of money for all these tasks. And the president approves it. But Congress doesn't know and it is done. They get the money from a supplemental appropriation for the Afghan War, which Congress has approved.
Jesus. They just stole $700 million from Congress.
What the fuck is going on here?
YES, IMPEACH!
Tonight on ABC: Blood Money
Former Exec: American Company
Paid Terrorist Group to Protect
Overseas Interests
Barbara Jordan, we need you now more than ever.
OT, but has anyone else noticed that W looks more and more like Pat Robertson all the time?
Why aren't Congress and the whore media holding W's feet to the fire about the hostages in Iraq? It seems that Nightline was created for the sole purpose of trashing Carter for the Iranian hostages.
Who do you suppose is his source? What else was going on in that "little cubbyhole room"?
OMG. This is making me absolutely sick to my stomach. :-\
"With a little luck, this COULD get bigger than Watergate."
This sure as fucking hell IS bigger than watergate.
Just nobody knows about it yet.
Some CEO presidency--they don't even know how to shuffle funds around right.
jesus chirst.......is this going to be as big as it looks? in a normal society this - if proved true - would bring down the government. Depressingly I think they'll just get away with it again
Blood Money
"In addition to the cash, Laird said the company provided the terrorists with weapons, medical treatment for the wounded, and access at times to a beachfront company guest house used to hide key terror leaders."
jesus chirst.......is this going to be as big as it looks? in a normal society this - if proved true - would bring down the government. Depressingly I think they'll just get away with it again
Not this time.
We're going to scream and shout. This is fucking insanity.
Please call your representatives and senators now! Please call your local teevee stations, e-mail this to everyone you know. This information has to get out.
Giving New Meaning to the "War on Drugs"
Good to see all that money we are pumping into Columbia is being put to a worthy purpose.
Authorities announced an embarrassing discovery Friday: A large stash of cocaine and heroin on the naval warship that the visiting Peruvian president was to tour.
Adm. Mauricio Soto, the commander of the Colombian navy, said nearly 37 pounds of cocaine and 22 pounds of heroin were found Thursday in the engine room of the Gloria - Colombia's flagship naval vessel, which is to embark next month on a six-month trip to the United States and Europe.
Bigger than Watergate? Bah!
Not as big as Iran-Contra, I say. And we all know that, in the end, that led nowhere.
Get a congressman to GAO the expenditures on that bill.
It's funny that Booby's last book was a full body massage of the administration and now this.
I wonder how many other authors are lined up to get on 60 minutes.
An then there's this.
The lesson of the story is don't get caught in a hallway with Bush. Clarke gets a finger poked in his chest, Rumsfeld is collared. That Bush sure is one bad dude!
Old Hat,
To be clear, they did not steal $700 million from Congress.
They misappropriated $700 million that Congress allotted to Afghan reconstruction. So they took funds meant to help stabilize Afgh. to invade Iraq. How well that has worked out:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/co.../?
040412fa_fact
Am I the only one thinking Iran-Contra on this. I have always thought that I-C was a bigger abuse of the Constitution than Watergate. St. Ronny got off by using the old "I'm to stupid to be guilty" defense and of course Casey died, so everyone blamed him.
This could be huge.
Am I the only one thinking Iran-Contra on this. I have always thought that I-C was a bigger abuse of the Constitution than Watergate. St. Ronny got off by using the old "I'm to stupid to be guilty" defense and of course Casey died, so everyone blamed him.
This could be huge.
TownDrunk, I think we should all write in and ask if you're right that Nightline was created just to hassle Jimmy Carter. In fact, we probably all should.
Someone needs to embarrass them. Maybe it will work.
"Bigger than Watergate? Bah!
Not as big as Iran-Contra, I say. And we all know that, in the end, that led nowhere."
Um, we ARE talking about planning illegally for a war in which hundreds of our people have died and thousands of Iraqis have died, where we have spent over a hundred billion dollars and we have destablized an incredibly volatile part of the whole world.
Hard to get much bigger than this unless we can show Rumsfeld trained the 9/11 hijackers himself.
They misappropriated $700 million that Congress allotted to Afghan reconstruction. So they took funds meant to help stabilize Afgh. to invade Iraq.
That sounds like a secret, illegal $700 million slush fund, which sounds like theft to me.
Impeach these fuckers. Now.
The end of July 2002, they need $700 million, a large amount of money for all these tasks. And the president approves it. But Congress doesn't know and it is done. They get the money from a supplemental appropriation for the Afghan War, which Congress has approved.
Jesus. They just stole $700 million from Congress.
What the fuck is going on here?
Old Hat
probably figured they could repay it out of the heroin profits from Afganistan when the poppy crop came in a la Columbia
Today in the Bush/Blair press conference, check this out:
Q: Mr. President, did you ask Secretary (of Defense Donald H.) Rumsfeld to draw up war plans against Iraq in November 2001, just as the military action was getting under way in Afghanistan? Why couldn't Iraq wait?
BUSH: You know, I can't remember exact dates that far back. I do know this: that at a key meeting at Camp David the subject of Iraq - this is on September the 15th - we'd been attacked on September the 11th, obviously. The 15th we sat down. I sat down with my national security team to discuss the response, and the subject of Iraq came up.
And I said as plainly as I possibly could, We'll focus on Afghanistan, that's where we'll focus.
Somebody named Chimpy McCokespoon is lying.
I'm all outraged out.
On the daily list of outrages, this one ranks fairly high.
I'm a little confused. Woodward was in the bag for Bush, writing a lapdog book that helped create the illusion of Bush as an engaged and focused "leader" doing good for the country. Woodward also had nothing negative to say about the Iraqi adventure when it got underway.
What changed his mind about all this? And does this mean that we can now identify the shameless whore who will, as the Confederate general said, "get there fustest with the mostest" in turning on Bush to definitively expose him for what he is?
Current CNN poll:
Does British Prime Minister Tony Blair's support for President Bush's Iraq policy help make Bush's case?
Yes
No
No effect
No is winning 100% of the vote. Maybe I was the first voter.
Mr. President, repeat after me:
"I don't recall."
"Not to the best of my recollection."
"I was out of the loop."
Jeez, Louise . . . impeach, Hell. Prison.
I've discovered new, previously unknown reserves of outrage.
When will Bush tell the American people..."I am not a crook"
Kerry ought to pound away at this until everyone in the country sees what a liar and a theif our pResident is.
"lesson of the story is don't get caught in a hallway with Bush."
Getting caught in a hallway with some bush worked out badly for Clinton as well... ;p
probably figured they could repay it out of the heroin profits from Afganistan when the poppy crop came in a la Columbia
preznit giv me turkee
See my post on the Columbian flagship above.
"This could be huge"
Only if we had a real congress or a truly free press. Don't count on the Baby boomers to push for it either, we're all too worried about our 401ks to think about life/death/freeedom. It sucks being in the worst generation in American History.
It doesn't matter where the money comes from. It's all his money remember, he's the king.
All Hail!!!!
By your command.
Wow, stealing $700 million from humanitarian & reconstruction funds sounds pretty sleazy. I thought Fearless Leader wanted to help the brown people!
Where is Ken Starr when you need him, huh?
I must say I'm getting vaguely excited about all the scandals floating around this administration. We've got a good three or four that have huge potential and we've got two more books coming out--Woodward and Wilson--that could give some real meat to the press. Plus, the press suddenly seems interested in challenging Bush and his cronies.
Then there are Kerry's ads that will soon be hitting the airwaves. I'm telling you, November is looking better and better every day.
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http://aimlessmind.blogspot.com/
TownDrunk, I think we should all write in and ask if you're right that Nightline was created just to hassle Jimmy Carter.
"Nightline" did indeed start as a recap of the day's Iran hostage news. I don't know that "hassling brother Jimmy" is accurate, though.
You would think he would have remembered to factor in aid to Afghanistan into his budget proposal, especially if its primary purpose is Rummy's slush fund....
"Does British Prime Minister Tony Blair's support for President Bush's Iraq policy help make Bush's case?
Yes
No
No effect"
No is down to 47% now, but atleast it's more than Yes.
Get real, folks. Who needs Congress when we have a president selected by God?
Some notes from the man in the tin-foil-hat, regarding impeachment:
This is why we MUST make sure that the Congress, especially the House is in Dem. hands and do anything possible to make it so. The Presidency may generally be imperial, but the Congress can still check the President. And, while it will be harder for us to recapture Congress, it will also be harder for Repubs to coordinate cheating as well as they can for the Presidency.
Let's take back Congress!
Holden,
I'm glad you are versed in the issues on the US's relationship with Columbia. You are proabably also aware, that second to Israel, Columbia for some strange reason is the largest recipient of military aid from the United States. Then you might also be aware as to why this is the case. Could it be none other than Rand Beers, Kerry's campaign manager who is responsible for the US's perverse relationship of support of the nearly authoritarian Columbian regime?
Stu?
c.f. _All The President's Men_
Interesting note in Clarke's book, brought back my memory about National Security Advisors who do or do not testify before Congress. John Poindexter was of course NSA - and Ollie North's Dear Leader. Seems to me that John did testify ... somewhere?
Look, we all were appropriately stunned by such things as the re-emergence of Elliot Abrams and Negroponte, et alia - there has never been anything in this administration to suggest that their conduct, plans and actions would not accompany them in their new jobs.
Has w00t gone back to work?
Seriously, we need to spotlight the weaklink in the WH who will crack. We already know they at war with each other, this is just another version of the Prisoner's Dilemma.
It works everytime, you just have to pick the right prisoner. Plame is the crowbar for this whole endeavor. Bring all the pieces together, then look for the biggest cracks.
Suggestion box is open.
Andy Card.
Scooter Libby
....
"I must say I'm getting vaguely excited about all the scandals floating around this administration. We've got a good three or four that have huge potential and we've got two more books coming out--Woodward and Wilson--that could give some real meat to the press. Plus, the press suddenly seems interested in challenging Bush and his cronies."
I agree. One scandal maybe they could wiggle away from. But they have too much shit coming down to keep clean until November.
...wow, I guess Congress is irrelevant.
Fudge.
$700 million is not even $1 billion...
Er, wait, that is $700 million of "your money" as Bush likes to say.
Did anyone notice the hysterical picture of Jim Cazaviel starring in "not my bobby" (or "Not my christ") that was advertised next to the woodward piece atrios linked to? hysterical. there is life after death, I guess.
I'm a little confused. Woodward was in the bag for Bush... What changed his mind about all this?
Woody's CIA all the way - always has been, always will be - and the spooks are putting the screws to Tipsy...
Maybe Woodward is suddenly emboldened because he knows something about the Plame scandal and is therefore safe from counterattacks by Administration Figures X, Y and/or Z.
Holden Caulfield,
You gotta start your own blog. You'd get my eyeballs.
To President Bush at the Start of the Gulf War (I)
The thin-lipped king with his helmeted head
Remembers the quirky fits of light
That tempt the cobra. No, the temper of the dove
Does not fit him; and nothing in the world
Can bring him to bless. He will not feed,
Nourish or help; and his rabbity hand
Lifted in the fading light of the hemlocks
Waves to them, gestures to the young to die.
Robert Bly
Whoops, Dave got there first and said it better.
If it becomes big enough, ironically it could help protect the Bush. There will be people on both sides who will fear exposing the total evil of this gang would do irreparable damage to the nation. That's bullshit, of course, but it will be the justification for letting them slide into obscurity instead of public trials.
Could it be none other than Rand Beers --
Oh, Christ, not this fuck again. CUT HIS MIC! CUT IT!!!
OT: Monkeyfister's "Draft Code" Table...
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcbo...id=282719&
page=
Inside source. Updated as necessary.
Today, Draft Code: BLUE
jac
Whether or not ABC intended to hassle Carter, the effect was probably the same.
Don't you fools understand?? CBS is a subsidiary of Viacom, who also finances Woodward's publisher! That like totally vindicates Bush's planning on Iraq!!
That sounds like a secret, illegal $700 million slush fund, which sounds like theft to me.
Impeach these fuckers. Now.
Old Hat | Email | Homepage | 04.16.04 - 4:08 pm | #
I concur with Old Hat. I think it will depend on the wording of the bill. If it says the money must be used for X and is used for Y, that is stealing. Bush Co. is very good at weasel working words into making them sound very different from what they actually mean. If the language is vague they could get off.
Q: Mr. President, did you ask Secretary (of Defense Donald H.) Rumsfeld to draw up war plans against Iraq in November 2001, just as the military action was getting under way in Afghanistan? Why couldn't Iraq wait?
BUSH: You know, I can't remember exact dates that far back. I do know this: that at a key meeting at Camp David the subject of Iraq - this is on September the 15th - we'd been attacked on September the 11th, obviously. The 15th we sat down. I sat down with my national security team to discuss the response, and the subject of Iraq came up.
Note that he didn't answer the question. Note also that although he says he can't remember dates as far back as November 2001, he knows the exact date, when he discussed Iraq with Rumsfeld -- and it just happens to be prior to November 2001.
Will the lapdogs in the Press notice? Inquiring minds want to know.
Interesting note in Clarke's book, brought back my memory about National Security Advisors who do or do not testify before Congress. John Poindexter was of course NSA - and Ollie North's Dear Leader. Seems to me that John did testify ... somewhere?
...
I had the fortune to attend the Iran-Contra hearings as a guest of Lee Hamilton's office when John Poindexter testified. His attitude was "How dare you bring me up here." Real contempt towards Congress.
There is a difference though b/w Iran-Contra and the 9/11 hearings. Iran-Contra was a congressional action that was set up to look specifically at possible criminal action.
JESUS
MOTHERFUCKING
CHRIST
HE STOLE $700 MILLION AND DIRECTLY VIOLATED HIS OATH OF OFFICE.
This is the type of thing, if there's testimony to back it up, that could even turn the GOP House members against Bush.
IMPEACH
IMPEACH
IMPEACH
hueyplong,
That Confederate general was one Nathan Bedford Forrest, who also founded the first edition of the Ku Klux Klan (which wasn't quite as nasty as the Klan that popped up in the twenties, but still pretty nasty). He was vicious bastard all the way around, though, from the way he pushed his soldiers to the Ft. Pillow massacre to the way he fought (no prisoners, basically). Sorta sums up the Bush malAdministration, too, really; fuck with them, even with the truth, and they'll burn your ass.
My outrage media pinged last week, frankly, so I've spent this week smoking a lot of pot, watching old Doctor Who episodes and pretending to be a non-dead John Entwhistle on my bass. Even the little I've kept up with this week amazes me, though. Not so much the mendacity and sheer bullshit crookedness of this administration; just the shit they try to pull. Frankly, it simply stuns me they seem to go above and beyond the call of duty to be crooked as hell and think the American people will swallow it.
And then I read the local letter's page in the newspaper and realize that a whooole lot of people do. Course, there's an equally whoooole lot of people that still think Ronnie Raygun is a fucking saint. Menken was right, man.
Holden:I think they've been hiding the Gaggle's lately. Maybe they're scared of ya..lol..
With that little bit out of the way...
OMG is my rage level off the chart. These guys went after the little crumbs that were supposed to go towards the REAL war on terror, to rebuild Afghanistan, to suppport their Iraq advaenture.
I can barely type
Seriously. Sorry about the typos..but I mean..
Wow.
Of course, I'm by no means a fan of Bush, but I never thought they were this bad.
Wow.
*sniff*
anyone smell the Hague?...
And lots of big scandals could also help them with the Murican Pubic--that is, the average ignorant boob on the street will scratch his/her head and mumble confusedly "nobody could be THAT incompetent and/or evil--must be them damn liberals plotting agin the preznit, jus' lak Rush done sed."
God I wish it was true, but hey lets face it, the Rethugs own all 4 Estates at the moment. No scandel in this administration will get the public saturation that Watergate, or god help us, the Starr Circus. The ONLY way anyone in the media is going to pay attention to a Bush scandle is if he show up drunk at a press conference... never mind.
In other words we are on our own.
The ONLY way we are going to rid of him is if Kerry can present himself as a leader who can give hope, that has a plan.
Damn them. Getting me all mad before I get to work.
Soothing soothing (Listening to To Zanarkand from FFX..)
Damnit. Not working.
Expect some hella rants later tonight.
Damn them. Getting me all mad before I get to work.
Soothing soothing (Listening to To Zanarkand from FFX..)
Damnit. Not working.
Expect some hella rants later tonight.
Holden:I think they've been hiding the Gaggle's lately. Maybe they're scared of ya..lol..
Damn, I need a gaggle fix big time. The posted yesterday's gaggle transcript, first in eight days, and it sucked. No Les Kingsolver even.
I called Barbara Boxer's office in San Bernardino. Will call Senator Feinstein next. Sadly, my congressman, Darrell Issa (R-Vista), is deep in with the Bush administration and isn't likely to give a damn about this. (That's why I'm part of the team to boot him out of office.)
--Kynn
Irancontra to me was taking gov equipment (missiles) and selling them at a profit (to Iranians, after they tortured Carter during election) and taking the profits to fund terrorists in Central America.
Theft of government material, dealing with terrorists, funding terrorists.
IranContra is very simple, that's why the media never talks about it.
Have you called your Congresscritters yet? Please do.
Backslider, I'm pretty well familiar with NB Forrest too, and agree that he was as bad as it got in terms of being a human being, as opposed to being clever in military tactics. I just figured using the name of such a person would divert attention from the point.
I think that second Klan started up in about 1915, but agree that it hit the big time in the 1920s.
"Congress was totally in the bag."
--Excellent point.
--More and more I'm coming to the conclusion that the reason the Congress--including the Democrats in it--haven't given this Administration more hell for its scandals and travesties is not just because they are afraid of standing up to Bush. Rather, they (privately) agree with his policies and actions and want them to succeed.
--In K. Phillips' "American Dynasty," Phillips says about the decision to go to Iraq that many Washington liberals (could he mean Kerry here?) were for the war because they believed that the United States needed to secure future oil resources. Phillips also states that, of course, they couldn't and didn't say these things publicly.
--In essence, perhaps the reason the Cognress (including many Democrats) has been largely compliant with Bush and not more ferocious in the face of his scandals, is that behind the scenes, they endorse his actions.
I'm going out to buy a new outrage meter. Mine is blown all to heck.
Just write "11" at the end of outrage meter. "That's one more isn't it?"
Jeremiah--we must proceed as if that is not true. The only other alternative is to dump the whole system, wipe the slate clean, and begin anew. Now who's gonna do THAT?
"This is Spineless Crap"
Cheney:Some of those profits went to Afghanistan as well.
Just ta let you know.
Cole the younger: ME, I'll do it.
Fearless Leader asleep at the switch and unable to see a dot let alone connect two before 9/11. But alert as hell on how to connect the dots and steal money from Afghanistan appropriations for his pet War project and Misadventure in Iraq. Must have been all that practice they had with Iran Contra.
Lee Harvey Oswald, your country needs you now more than ever.
Karmakin: Great ROI, I must say.
Card is not that smart a guy and really buys into that "Bush is ordained by God" crap. All Libby wants is a pardon and a big past White House paycheck... They are hunkering down big time now, with the Plame thing threatening EVERYBODY. They are pretty sure Kerry wins and now talk is about pardons. Rice is out to lunch (more than before) and W wonders if he should fire everybody, but he knows Cheney is the problem. Cheney will have to be carried or dragged out though. W blames everybody for the Plame thing but he's as on the hook as anybody for it. The White House is not a happy workplace right now.
Question: How can they take 700 million dollars from Afghanistan and divert them to Iraq without anybody in Congress noticing ?
And you would think someone in Congress would notice that CentCom was busy doing 700 million dollars worth of war-planning and wondering how they paid for it all.
Then again wasn't there a lot of commotion some time ago over the promotion of one highly partisan female hack to a key Pentagon oversight position ?
Lee Harvey Oswald, your country needs you now more than ever.
The Ghost of JFK | Email | Homepage | 04.16.04 - 4:31 pm | #
Shut the fuck up, asshole.
Meet your local COINTELPRO op, folks.
And, after we impeach his funky ass he should be shipped directly to the Sadr City section of Bahgdad so he can reiterate to the world what a tough guy stud he is by shouting "bring it on" to the first local mujahideen mutha fucka that come across his sorry ass.
hueyplong,
I dig. However, the Civil War and the various hate groups of the South are hobbies of mine, and ol' Forrest neatly dovetails both. The great Civil War scribe Shelby Foote, when asked who he admired most Forrest or Jeb Stuart (as calvary leaders), once said "Well, I'd have to say Forrest was a better general, but it's hard to admire such a contemptible fellow" in the very cool Deep Suthun voice of his.
OT...did anyone see Mona Charon's column today about how the U.S. military needs to be more brutal in Iraq and the Iraqis better just sit and take it if they know what's good for 'em. I do so love the armchair generals who don't mind if someone else dies for their war jones.
I would love to know how Woodward found out what Bush said to Rumsfeld in the cubbyhole with the door closed.
Negotiations with Iraq:
"Let's Make a Dealy Plaza"
Oswald will be harder to track down with the movie megaplexes these days.
Brewmaster: you would be surprised how much somebody can hear when they have their entire head up somebody's ass. Not from personal experience.
Ashcroft is a loose cannon now. He thinks Bush is toast and is out to distance himself for a 2008 run.
this is already WAY bigger than watergate...but where's the outrage?
adario sez: "Holden Caulfield,
You gotta start your own blog. You'd get my eyeballs."
Mega-dittos, Holden.
Blogger is free. And you can put any old name on hotmail...
What will we tell the children?
OT, but where's the outrage?!?!
A Republican ad criticizing Democrat John Kerry is on an Internet video game site in which a player can pretend to be a cartoon President Bush killing terrorists who have invaded the White House.
The ad sponsored by the Republican National Committee is shown at various times above and below the game called "Bush Shoot-Out: Starring President Bush and Condoleezza Rice," one of several free video games offered on the Web site Miniclip.com.
The ad says: "Senator Kerry says his own vote to 'abandon our troops' was reckless and irresponsible" before flashing to another screen that says "To Listen to Senator Kerry in His Own Words Click Here!"
The RNC last month began placing such anti-Kerry ads — pop-ups, banners and column ads — on some 1,400 general interest, news, sports, technology, entertainment, music and business Web sites.
Mary Ellen Grant, an RNC spokeswoman, said: "We contract through a vendor for our Internet ads, and clearly they've chosen a site with a number of Internet games on it." She would not say whether the RNC will ask for the ad to be pulled from the site.
Shocking! What shall we tell the children?!?!?!
Hadley: you guessing or where did you get the soap opera scoop?
The Ghost of JFK-
Threatening the life of the preznit is a federal felony...
...unless you are Jessie Helms and the preznit is Clinton.
Brewmaster - Story goes that Bush totally trusted Woodward, to the point of relating classified materials without a second thought.
That twenty-year-old Army Reservist from Batavia, Ohio, who's being held by Iraqis, looks scared to death in the video that's been released. His family must be crazy with worry.
The Iraqis want to do a hostage exchange. The U.S. sez no dice.
Damn George Bush to hell.
I'm suffering from outrage fatigue.
Jeremiah Elias,
If that analysis were true, then why the hell did the Republicans go so hard after Clinton? It's not like he was hard on their core constituency.
Holden -
re: Columbia:
I knew those South Carolinians were up to something! You just can't trust them!
adario sez: "Holden Caulfield,
You gotta start your own blog. You'd get my eyeballs."
Mega-dittos, Holden.
Blogger is free. And you can put any old name on hotmail...
Scooter
Thanks, but I like the view from here just fine.
I'm suffering from fatigue fatigue.
When will it end?
The Iraqis want to do a hostage exchange. The U.S. sez no dice.
Damn George Bush to hell.
pie
The hostage takers are playing right into Chimpy's paws. American's don't need much of a reason for their hatred.
I think they don't want him to succeed so much as they don't want to come close to the fact that they never believed his lies for 30 seconds, but went along to get along. If they had to reflect seriously on the consequences of their actions, some of them would become suicidally depressed, I imagine.
The video on the link has an interesting clip from the upcoming 60 minutes about when Bush first told Powell about the decision to go ahead in Iraq (after keeping it from him for a while(!)) Powell responds, "Are you aware of the consequences?"
CNN carries the "Bush collars Rummy" story, but nothing about the 700k.
Cheney_usa, the weak link is BUSH himself !!! duh
Woodward took an embarassing beating in the press for his George is a 9/11 Hero book....he may not have like it, and maybe like John Dean, he knows a crook when he sees one.
Time for a reminder.
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Old Hat "Meet your local COINTELPRO op, folks." I don't remember them being quite so clumsy, do you? Perhaps changing times, even less training. Sad.
It's over and I really don't give a fuck anymore. What about this sorry ass country is worthwhile?
I don't think that is the bill, Atrios - it wasn't passed until November of 2002 and signed into law in December.
My guess is the money came out of either the emergency appropriations passed right after 9/11, or the Defense Dept. supplemental for 2002 (in this scenario he is talking to Rumsfeld, after all).
Check out Thomas, 107th congress, it's possibly HR 3338.
Holden:
No gaggle?? Try this--http://www.voccoquan.com/hoback/roast%
20beef.htm
It's not quite as good as the real thing, but maybe it can tide us over for a bit.
American's don't need much of a reason for their hatred.
Of Bush?
What a massive clusterfuck Iraq is.
Tsquared: Bush is weak, but is like jello: he won't break.
We need somebody that has a brain and a conscience and will break. If there is no such person in WH, I give.
Holden:
No gaggle?? Try this--http://www.voccoquan.com/hoback/roast%
20beef.htm
It's not quite as good as the real thing, but maybe it can tide us over for a bit.
Thel
I predict a gaggle transcript within the next half hour.
But thanks, I'll check that out.
Yeah, OK, "Colombia", but I'm not sure you're really addressing the point by pointing out a misspelling.
That is, if you are critical of the US's heavy financing of the militaristic and oppressive Colombian government, then you have to acknowledge that Kerry's campaign manager, Rand Beers, is responsible for this situation and now Kerry is taking his advice on all things Latin America. This is very bad.
I watched a few minutes of the gaggle. Scottie said good afternoon. It was the only time he wasn't lying.
Yeah, OK, "Colombia", but I'm not sure you're really addressing the point by pointing out a misspelling.
Ignore sumwon/Salt Water/Anonymous folks.
Completely OT and he's trying to derail the thread.
Wasn't a good afternoon for me so he was lying.
pie-
Where's your bud Athenae today? I had a most excellent taunt for her on another thread and she missed it entirely.
Maybe she's busy scraping together Big John's fiddy.
Old Hat, what the fuck is your problem?
Old Hat,
I didn't bring up the billions of military aid that the US gives to Colombia. One of your fellow Kerry apologists did.
Lee Harvey Oswald, your country needs you now more than ever.
The Ghost of JFK | Email | Homepage | 04.16.04 - 4:31 pm | #
Shut the fuck up, asshole.
Meet your local COINTELPRO op, folks.
Old Hat | Email | Homepage | 04.16.04 - 4:33 pm | #
There are a couple of frequent posters who's nics start with "Ghost of" and have a similar writing style. Don't know if any of them are the same.
That said I think the Oswald thing was a joke. Besides, offing Bush wouldn't do anything since he is largely irrelevant. It is Chaney that has his arm up Bush's ass making him talk.
Asshole+++ Adelman is on Crossfire. This sonofabitch should be banished from the human race.
Props to the hat.
Oh-nay eed-fay the olls-tray.
Ghost of Bill Hicks is funny. Ghost of JFK is not. Joking about the Kennedy assassination crosses a line. I don't find assassinations very funny. Sorry.
And if the goal is to help Kerry beat Bush, I am pretty sure he would pick up more votes than he would lose if he shit-canned Rand Beers.
Holden, we're gonna love watching you eat those words and fork over your Ulysses S. Grant.
I haven't seen Athenae lately, but I'm sure she'll have an appropriate response to your taunt. She always does.
Isn't this Iran Contra Redux?? How can the Republicrats avoid a full scale investigation on this one? How can a prosecution be avoided? If I'm not mistaken, this is a direct violation of the law.
Holden Caulfield decides who's a troll and who isn't? Yeah, right.
Whatever.
Anonymous:
re: Colombia
I should have guessed it was a misspelling. I was wondering how South Carolina got their own navy anyway.
Regarding that CNN poll:
Aren't NO and NO EFFECT the same thing? So really those should be added together to accurately reflect the answer to what's being asked.
Trolls decide by their behavior who they are.
If America elects the guy they'd rather have a beer with, I'm leaving.
OT sort of but you know they used 8 million from the 20 billion appropriated for iraq reconstruction (not happening anytime soon) to quell the non riots at the WTO in miami. they are very brazen, aren't they?
Holden, we're gonna love watching you eat those words and fork over your Ulysses S. Grant.
I haven't seen Athenae lately, but I'm sure she'll have an appropriate response to your taunt. She always does.
pie
Well, she needs to get off that "frilly dress" thing.
She's a-hurtin' mah feelins.
*sniff*
BTW - did you decide to get in on the action, or are you SKEERED.
Nothing is going to come of this just like nothing has ever come of anything they've done. It's another Enron much ado about nothing.
Damn, I'm cynical.
"The only other alternative is to dump the whole system, wipe the slate clean, and begin anew. Now who's gonna do THAT?"
--Count me in.
How much is that $8 million that Miami got gonna cost them?
I hear they are getting sued for rights violations out the wazoo.
Holden, I've told you three times that I'm happy to get in on the action. You keep ignoring me.
How much?
Actually, I agree with Old Hat, that remark about lee harvey oswald was way, way out of line. I've also been very interested that no one that I've heard (in the SCLM)brought up cointelpro when discussing why the FBI is the way it is today. Short memories?
aimai
I'm a little confused. Woodward was in the bag for Bush, writing a lapdog book that helped create the illusion of Bush as an engaged and focused "leader" doing good for the country. Woodward also had nothing negative to say about the Iraqi adventure when it got underway.
Sounds like Woodward may have taken something out of Ahmed Chalabi's playbook- he may have played Bush and his gang of idiots for suckers with that ass-kissing book just so he could get the unfettered access he needed to get the real dirt on them. If that's really the case and they foolishly supplied Woodward with the rope he needed to hang them, I can't say I object.
Good thread about this.
Apparently, Woodward was a member of a second-tier secret society at Yale called "Boot and Snake." Weird.
Maybe he's CIA? Maybe this is payback for the Plame thing...hmm...
Trolls decide by their behavior who they are.
gonzo
~Attention everyone.~
*May I have your attention, please?*
I've decided that Old Hat, Holden and gonzo are trolls. Please make a note it.
Thanks.
OT
Yes, Kerry is bad. He is about par for the normal evil of American mass-murdering presidents. There are actually a few in the Senate who are worse than him. And Bush by any measure is worse, even if in places only slightly. Vote for Kerry, crawl before you walk, etc.
Meanwhile, severely OT, from the Sex Goddess That Was Rachel Corrie Worship and Adoration Fan Site, here's some pics of camel spiders. The guy calls them big, but they're no bigger than the one we saw, although the boring mandibles are freakishly disproportionate. All the crawlies in the desert are huge (the only small ones are flying around your head): the smallest scorpion we saw was bigger than a palm (of a hand), and there were these enormous scarab beetles, and the almost Japanese centipedes (desert-colored, naturally: Japanese centipedes are much more colorful). Except the weird ants that run around with their tails in the air. Spring is the season of creepy love, and of course all those babies hatch in time for the hot (even during the night) summer. It would be a shame if somehow our Fearless (and Service Recordless) leaders could experience the eightfold hug...
SKINPRICKISHNESS ALERT
THIS IS WHY YOU CHECK YOUR BOOTS/SLEEPING BAG/CLOTHING
VIEW WITH LIGHTS ON, etc
a couple of pics with rather useless commentary and
better resolution pic from a LGFucker named Amy
"Jeremiah Elias,
"If that analysis were true, then why the hell did the Republicans go so hard after Clinton? It's not like he was hard on their core constituency."
--I can think of two reasons immediately off the top of my head:
1. They, like all politicians, are ambitious for their own power and status, and
2. Clinton wasn't HARD enough on the middle class and didn't just govern solely for the sake of the rich. He at least gave the rest of Americans some crumbs off of the table. Which has always been the main difference between Republicans and Dems, at least domestically. But when it comes to foreign policy, there exists more of bi-partisan consensus on the goals and aims of American empire than you think.
aimai,
Probably because bringing up COINTELPRO makes you sound PARANOID.
Woodward is just playing both sides of the fence. He's another yuppie sell-out who has ruined this country but he gots his.
What's new.
Holden, I've told you three times that I'm happy to get in on the action. You keep ignoring me.
How much?
pie
Maybe I thought you were a troll, so I ignored you. I have the power to declare someone a troll, or so I am told.
How much ya' got? Let me re-phrase that: How much are you willing to give to Big John?
Well, you want to lose another $50? Or is $25 better?
Can I get a refund?
Maybe I thought you were a troll, so I ignored you. I have the power to declare someone a troll, or so I am told.
Coming from Incognito, that's pretty funny.
I sure do miss the rule of law.
"Ollie North proved the rule of law doesn't matter."
--Dick Cheney
Looks like Kufa is becoming the next Falluja.
Holden went ape-shit about my comments yesterday but never did disprove them nor did anyone but he made a total ass of himself and can't retract that behaivor so he has to continue it up by deciding I'm a troll to be ignored.
Holden Caulfield decides who's a troll and who isn't?
I vote with Holden, stupid fucking troll. BEGONE!
PS: Goes double for the Incogidiot...
fight nice kids. if someone wishes to post about presidential assassination i'll be happy to bring it to the attention of the f.b.i.. they can sort it out and determine the 'joke' quotient.
J.T.
And that's the last time I will mention / address either one of those maladjusted pricks. I suggest you all do the same...
But John Kerry takes credit holding Ollie North accountable. So we have nothing to worry about. The Democrats in Congress will get right on this.
Ollie North was held accountable, right?
None of you disproved what I wrote because they were facts. That's comical to me.
Check out the National Review retreat on their website. They've dropped the idea of a democracy in Iraq. Leaving Iraq in a orderly condition is the new buzz phrase.
Maybe if Fat Jonah Goldberg and Rich Lowry volunteered for a little duty with the Marines, they would help get Iraq in an orderly condition a bit more quickly.
is someone talking?
It's been over a day and none of you disproved what I wrote. You all made total asses of yourself. I want a goddamn apology.
Alex, democrats.com (or was it democratic undeground) was suggesting the opposite - with so many scandals around the Bush admin, nobody will be able to focus on one to make it stick.
As to the anonymous point about Colombia - we give them money to "fight" the "war" on drugs. In tin-foil-hat-land, though, we wouldn't be too surprised, though, if we are trying to have it both ways - enough drugs flowing in so that certain people can profit; not so much as to completely destroy our country.
f someone wishes to post about presidential assassination i'll be happy to bring it to the attention of the f.b.i.
Start with this prick, please...
If America elects the guy they'd rather have a beer with, I'm leaving.
Tomato Observer
I'd rather have a beer with Kerry. Bush is the kind of guy who'd weasel out of buying a round when it's his turn.
Well, you want to lose another $50? Or is $25 better?
pie
OK, don't tell Mrs. Holden, but I'll put another fiddy in the pot.
So if the Chimp actually testifies before the Sep. 11 Commission then I send $100 to Big John.
I realize the odds are stacked. When I originally made the bet with Athenae he had agreed to only a one hour "chat" with the two chairman, but being the verile, intelligent young man I am I'll stick to the bet even though the groud rules have changed.
And as I said before, no one ever went broke betting against the courage of a Bush.
"Ollie North was held accountable, right?"
Other than being convicted of a felony and being the only Republican who couldn't get elected in 1994 due to that felony, no.
Interesting stuff-
The appropriations bill Atrios links to is H.R.3994/S.2712, the "Afghanistan Freedom and Support Act of 2002" (link: http://tinyurl.com/2fzsa)
It was passed by the Senate in November 2002 and signed by the President in December 2002. So if Bush was doing all this in July 2002, that couldn't have been the appropriations bill he was using to steal $700 million.
So which appropriations bill was it? Did some searches and can't find another one...
Hey it's Racist Incog! You might say, given his hidden identity, he's masked or (*ADORABLE* gasp) hooded! So Incog, do all wogs still deserve firey death?
incognito,
What was the discussion that you are talking about a day ago?
For those who don't know. I wrote on this website that Arabs kill gays by beheading them in Saudi Arabia and hanging their headless bodies on a pole, and in Egypt, gays are imprisoned at hard labor, and Afghanistan, the push walls of bricks onto gays. That's natural to their culture and their religion and perfectly acceptable with them. Because of that, I don't want to be around Arabs and suddenly I'm a troll.
If I'm the 500th person to ask about this, I apologize. My AA stream died about an hour and a half ago and I can't get it back - I get the "Please come back and tune in during broadcast hours" message. Anyone know anything about it?
You're on, Holden.
And it's a frilly pink dress.
Hey it's Racist Incog! You might say, given his hidden identity, he's masked or (*ADORABLE* gasp) hooded! So Incog, do all wogs still deserve firey death?
kei & yuri
I never wrote anyone should have a firey death and you know it. I want an apology.
1)All official gov sites are now Bush ads.
2)WMD smuggling into Iraq tip came from an Iran newspaper.
3)Woodward is an ice-cold, investigative reporter. In 1st book, he gives who, what, when, where, and lets the reader draw own conclusions. Suggest you re-read.
4)If Bush impeached, we get Cheney for pres. That what you want?
Incog - You are also a liar. You didn't just say that, you called them names (towelhead was one of the milder ones, the others I won't repeat) and said they all were infected with a parasite in their brains and you hated their guts totally. You also went on at length about their disgusting (to you) personal habits.
Bolf Wurlitzer is about to spin Woodward's book for the RNC on CNN...
So, they all went screaming ape-shit "politically correct", made asses of themselves and don't have the guts to apologize.
Incog-"Disproved" what you wrote? Are you out of your mind? You belched racist hate about inherent Arab inferiority, sought to justify anti-Asian hate (ahem) and tried to leverage the lives of fags over those of wogs! What's to disprove? You yourself said you hate the bastards to your marrow!
You're on, Holden.
And it's a frilly pink dress.
pie
Deal.
BTW - ever play any poker? I've never had the chance, but I'm willing to learn. What say we start with a small, uh, what do you call it - ante?
Tena, I'm not having any trouble with either link (the Portland one or the one at the AAR site).
I also wrote it wasn't an ethnic thing, that I didn't feel they were inferior to me because of the color of their skin, that I found most Arabs very intelligent, and in most cases, more intelligent than me. Nothing racist about what I wrote, but they went ape-shit and called me every vile name but I never responded to them that way.
Is Woodward on Sixty Minutes next Sunday?
This Sunday.
BTW, pie - when you make out that check...
...only one E in Kerry.
Robbing Peter to kill Paul. If I hear anyone chant "4 more years" I will ask when were the sentences handed down.
+++
ever play any poker? I've never had the chance, but I'm willing to learn.
Do you think I was born yesterday?
pie - thanks. I'm streaming Portland, but with problems there too. Oh well, perhaps it will straighten itself out.
I appreciate your letting me know.
It just adds to the overall lousy ambience of the day.
Because of that, I don't want to be around Arabs and suddenly I'm a troll.
And a racist.
--Kynn
"Ollie North was held accountable, right?"
Other than being convicted of a felony and being the only Republican who couldn't get elected in 1994 due to that felony, no.
Mr Happy
Actually, Ollie had his conviction overturned with support of that damned ACLU (that must be some kind of damn conservative group w/ its support of Ollie and Big Pharma!) b/c his criminal trial was supposedly tainted by the iran-contra hearings. But still, he paid a price. (I also recall Mrs. Reagan told him to go to hell when he asked for support w/ his Senate run.)
Xavier78,
It was none other than a relative of Cheney I believe.
Steve
PS I need to look that up.
Tena,
AA stream seems to be back now. It's been intermittent today...
Holden - are you betting that Bush won't testify?
Incog-"Disproved" what you wrote? Are you out of your mind? You belched racist hate about inherent Arab inferiority, sought to justify anti-Asian hate (ahem) and tried to leverage the lives of fags over those of wogs! What's to disprove? You yourself said you hate the bastards to your marrow!
kei & yuri
I never wrote anything racist or about Arab inferiority. You're lying about that. Go back and read what I wrote. From my experiences with Arabs, I have every right to not want to be around them. When they stop killing gays, I'll reassess my attitude. Also, none of you wrote that it was wrong for Arabs to kill people for being gay because you don't care, apparently.
I found a picture of Incognito in histroll uniform.
Mr. Happy,
Oh so, you think North was held accountable for his role in the Iran/Contra scandal?
Does what happened in the Iran/Contra investigations give you any confidence that Kerry or any of the other Democrats in Congress will REALLY persue this all the way up to the top of the food chain and not sell out justice and the American people in a compromise that gets the DNC some quid-pro-quo the next time their next scandal breaks?
I urge them to conduct an investigation on this, but I am pretty realistic about the outcome. Considering there has been more than enough to substantiate introduction of articles of impeachment for Bush, Cheney, and so on, FOR MONTHS.
Also, none of you wrote that it was wrong for Arabs to kill people for being gay because you don't care, apparently.
It's wrong for anyone to kill people for being gay; hell, it's wrong for anyone to kill people.
There! I said it! Now you're still racist, unless you refuse to associate with white people since the death of Matthew Shepard.
--Kynn
K&Y, let's ignore this asshole for peace since everything he says is a flat out lie, whaddya say?
Do any of you think it's wrong to kill people for being gay?
shoeless Joe _ Thanks for that. I'll try it again. Maybe it will help - I'm disgusted with life in general. I am so tired of being gamed, scammed and lied to that I don't know what to say.
Except that I'm also dead fucking tired of having the people who tell the truth get slammed and smeared and accused of shit. Goddamn, there are days when I think the Repug party needs to be disbanded totally. This is one of those days.
Tena,
Yeah, it happens. It's been on and off this afternoon.
Glad I'm not the only one with ears glued, and eyes bulging, all at the same time.
I can hear it now- "I was not in that closet with Rumsfeld."
Gotta love ya' some archives:
I'm sorry, flame me. But I hate Arabs to my marrow.
Incognito | Email | Homepage | 04.14.04 - 5:07 pm | #
Do any of you work? It's like day after day the same group hogging the board.
Dull-in here, OMG, that's hilarious!
Tena, yeah, he's betting Bush won't testify, although that was before Bush changed it to *meeting* with the commission.
That's really not the same, and are they even *meeting* under oath?
incog:
for the four hundred and fiftieth time: We don't care who you sleep with. If the only way you can differentiate your self is screaming "I'm Gay!" then maybe you need to try going back to High School, and see if the cool kids will let you sit at their table.
Holden - are you betting that Bush won't testify?
Tena
Yep.
I originally made the bet with Athenae when Rice was refusing to testify and Chimpy was limiting his "testimony" to one hour with the chairs.
But I'm stickin' to it, even though the ground rules have changed. I figure the worst that will happen is I have to give Kerry some bucks and endure some rather lame taunting from Athenae and pie.
I never wrote anyone should have a firey death and you know it. I want an apology.
Eto, of course, must be our stupid Jap ears, just like Jap slit eyes prevent aviation, yes, you no more advocated specific deaths than Pat Robertson after establishing clearly that "abortionists" are filthy subhumans and so on, of course we owe you an apology, what we meant to say was, let's see here,
[finding megaphone]
SUCK OUR TOLERANT NAUGHTY BITS, INCOGNITO.
I hate Arabs to my marrow for killing gays, yes. Don't you think that's wrong?
no pie,
the "meeting" is not under oath and is in private.
incog:
for the four hundred and fiftieth time: We don't care who you sleep with. If the only way you can differentiate your self is screaming "I'm Gay!" then maybe you need to try going back to High School, and see if the cool kids will let you sit at their table.
GOB
Since the controversy is about Arabs killing gays, what am I supposed to write about? The weather?
My AA stream died about an hour and a half ago and I can't get it back...
Yeah, it's them - been up and down all day.
I'd send you to the WLIB site, but it's using Windows Media Player...
pie - ok. I'd ask for some action on Bush debating Kerry, because I just can't see it. However, you guys have enough money out there on the other bet.
Mr. Nobody - I took a break this afternoon, when the streaming stopped. But I came back. I always do.
--If America elects the guy they'd rather have a beer with, I'm leaving.
Tomato Observer--
I'd rather have a beer with Kerry too. His head is so long and pointy, and his hair is mesmerizing.
Orbitron,
A beer with Kerry would be fine, but on the whole I'd prefer he bring a really good Bordeaux. Haven't been able to afford one in years, and I hear he doesn't have any personal money problems.
BTW, check out this purdy good ad from DNC...
Notice how someone can write "that is comical to me" and it seems perfectly reasonable, but if someone SAID "that is comical to me" out loud, you'd only hear it in Ahnold's voice and start giggling?
I hate Arabs to my marrow for killing gays, yes. Don't you think that's wrong?
I think hating any specific racial group because of the actions performed by some of them is clearly wrong.
Most whites in America hate gays. Most blacks hate gays. Man, if you went around hating everyone of the same ethnicity as someone who killed gays, you'd be just a seething mass of hate.
Hate for an entire people group isn't the right response when some people kill gays. For you to think that it is -- why, yes, that is wrong.
Now can we stop talking about you, you, you already?
--Kynn
Incognito,
Does your mother still cry when you seduce her?
[props to freewayblogger]
Troll, a definition.
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand
For anyone unclear on the concept.
Other than being convicted of a felony and being the only Republican who couldn't get elected in 1994 due to that felony, no.
That, and the fact that the old-line, fiscal-conservative libertarian Republican Party apparatus rejected having North's candidacy rammed through the Commonwealth's GOP convention by a bloc of anti-tax, Christian fundamentalist groups. They ran moderate Republican against him in the general election. He lost to Robb.
Sorry, Happy. I've lived in Virgina for twenty-five years. I know it when you lie about Virginia politics.
Do any of you think it's wrong to kill people for being gay?
It is wrong to kill people.
Period.
Except for the Athenian Greeks (circa Plato), I don't know of too many societies where same sex relationships weren't frowned on. Still, saying "Arabs" hate gays is painting with rather a broad brush. Rather like saying "Christians" hate gays, while ignoring the official positions of Christian churches such as the United Church of Christ.
In other words, damning an entire group ("all Arabs want to kill gays") in a sweeping generalization is very akin to racism, and gets labelled as such due to the lack of another readily available term to describe the situation.
Some Arabs may want to kill gays; some may be indifferent; some may be tolerant or even welcoming of gays. Your experience is hardly broad enough to exclude two out of at least three possibilities.
So your "facts" are not facts at all. They cannot be refuted, because you present only your own experiences, which may all be true, but do not establish the propositions as a matter of empirically definable fact.
4)If Bush impeached, we get Cheney for pres. That what you want?
I'd rather have that fat criminal in the spotlight than running things from behind the scenes as he is doing.
"Nightline" did indeed start as a recap of the day's Iran hostage news. I don't know that "hassling brother Jimmy" is accurate, though.
It's not. I was in college at the time and we watched it every night. It was pretty straight forward reporting. Of course the whole situation was a disaster so Jimmy got blamed. But I don't think the point was to hassle him.
On Woodward, maybe even he has reached his limit of outrage. No wonder bushco is so nervous about his book.
dave - my friend, after downloading RealPlayer 9 times - I kid you not - it suddenly decided to just work for me. I have no idea why. So I have been streaming WLIB for days. I was just curious about today, it's the first day I've had this trouble. I appreciate everyone answering my question, I really do.
dull in here--You NEVER got permission to print that picture!!!! I gave that to you only because you promi....
Tar and feathers, anyone?
Uh...nevermind
Because discussing RealPlayer is on topic, of course... I'm never going to take any shit from Tena for ever posting off topic. Geez, surf the net for tech advice, this isn't slashdot.
Hard to get much bigger than this unless we can show Rumsfeld trained the 9/11 hijackers himself.
Alex
No comment.
Jeez- I've read through a lot of threads, laughed at a lot of trolls, but Incog, you are the first one I feel genuinely sorry for. If you are trolling for something, you're doing a pathetic job. If what you are saying is a reflection of your authentic views, gosh, your just pathetic.
You really ought to go over to
www.AndrewSullivan.com and comment there. I think you and Andy will have a lot in common and he can help you out. And he always responds to commenters.
I hate, for wanting to kill gays,
Hatemongers?
Religious nuts?
Homophobes?
No, "Arabs"
as in a huge swath of humanity, much of which is rather famously gay or into trade or sure convinced some of our marine comrades they were close enough to gay to attract American homophobic violence.
Yes, that is wrong. It is no different from hating all Chosen or Japs or Mexicans over something. It is also silly since anyone familiar with the Levant knows...well, they know.
Also, "since the controversy is about killing gays"-um, actually, while there have been many along those lines (hint: look for Sun Moon, the Kook-like Korean Kultist),
that hasn't been a controversy in a while. There's so much wrong with the anachronistic hateful Arab despots it's hard to focus on one fetish.
And frankly your insistent reminders of an "unspeakable" nature are suspicious: it's like Star Jones constantly reminding the old yenta bags that she's talkin' DOWNTOWN, or Virtus announcing Vilnius time, or the Log Gas-chamber Republicans reminding everyone that they really are gay. You probably aren't aware, because you're a fucking idiot, but there are quite a few gays here among you now.
Robert,
Rather like saying "Christians" hate gays, while ignoring the official positions of Christian churches such as the United Church of Christ.
Thanks for pointing this out, it can't be repeated often enough. 
--Kynn, UCC member
I think Incognito went bye-bye...with a little help.
Kynn--
UCC pastor here.
Gotta stick up for the homeboys once in a while.
four legs good - It seems to me that a lot of people in D.C. have reached that point with this administration. I can't imagine that the whole thing isn't going to just implode.
Mooser-so, you didn't feel sorry for Amazone Dishwashing Slave Ricky and his Severin-like adoration of Mistress Jenna?
Robert M--amen, from a committed non-committed agnostic.
Anonymous, if you didn't keep posting the same off-topic shit every time you post, maybe everyone would cut you some slack.
Stop playing the victim.
It's not. I was in college at the time and we watched it every night. It was pretty straight forward reporting. Of course the whole situation was a disaster so Jimmy got blamed. But I don't think the point was to hassle him.
On Woodward, maybe even he has reached his limit of outrage. No wonder bushco is so nervous about his book.
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 04.16.04 - 5:40 pm | #
Isn't it amazing that such a short time ago, a single screw-up like that was enough to lose the Presidency? How low our standards have become...
must be from the tax cuts ! it is working alrite !
Out on a limb here, but I think the money came from the DoD supplemental which encompassed a lot of activities...
here's a July 2002 article...
DoD Needs Supplemental Budget Money Now, Zakheim Says
By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, July 12, 2002 -- America's war on global terrorism will go broke if $14 billion in fiscal 2002 budget supplemental money earmarked for DoD isn't approved by Congress soon, the department's senior money manager said here today.
DoD Comptroller Dov S. Zakheim told Pentagon reporters in a noon briefing that the U.S. military is "burning through" an average of $2 billion a month in prosecution of the war on terrorism at home and overseas.
"We're in a war - we're operating here, we're operating overseas," Zakheim pointed out. "Al Qaeda and the Taliban folks haven't just given up and walked away."
Indeed, in a letter to Congress dated July 3, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld acknowledged that the supplemental funds "are needed to sustain our readiness and global operations against terrorism."
If congressional passage of DoD's supplemental is delayed significantly beyond July 15, Rumsfeld wrote, the impact "would likely include inability to meet the military payroll, canceled training, deferred depot maintenance for ships and aircraft, postponed facilities maintenance and repair, and reduced spare parts and supplies purchases that would hurt future readiness."
DoD asked Congress in late March for the additional $14 billion to fund the war, Zakheim explained. The initial $17 billion supplemental request has long been spent, he said.
The department needs the new supplemental before mid- August, Zakheim emphasized. Otherwise, he added, the lack of additional funds will hamper war operations, including transport, maintenance, training, and military and civilian payroll.
If DoD doesn't get the additional funds soon, Zakheim noted that Air Force flying hours "will die by the middle of August" and engine maintenance for F-18 planes "would go south." Navy ships would remain in port. The Army, he noted, would have to cancel training at Fort Irwin, Calif. Force protection construction projects, such as barriers at military bases, would have to be curtailed.
Without the supplemental, the department won't be able to pay its military members on Aug. 30, Zakheim pointed out, adding that up to 35,000 civilians would have to be furloughed.
All of these possible scenarios would hurt military readiness, morale and, possibly, retention, Zakheim noted.
The proposed DoD supplemental contains:
o $7.2 billion for conducting military operations.
o $4.1 billion to pay for some 80,000 Guard and Reserve troops called up to active duty for the war.
o $200 million for service members in critical wartime jobs like linguists and other hard-to-maintain specialties.
o $500 million to obtain additional precision munitions, such as Joint
Tena--
It seems to me that a lot of people in D.C. have reached that point with this administration. I can't imagine that the whole thing isn't going to just implode.
The whole mess is starting to look like Nixon on steroids. But at least Nixon wanted to get out of Vietnam (although he parlayed his "secret plan" into a second term, first).
But I think all but the blindest of the blind are beginning to realize this train is running full steam toward the end of the tracks. Rummy's "found poetry" isn't charming anymore, it's scary. Bush's non sequiturs no longer reveal "folksiness," but emptiness. And Cheney's "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" routine has long since closed out of town.
More and more I'm convinced: the pigeons are coming home to roost. The swallows are returning to Capistrano. The cows are coming home.
Cliche overload. Gotta rest....
Because discussing RealPlayer is on topic, of course... I'm never going to take any shit from Tena for ever posting off topic. Geez, surf the net for tech advice, this isn't slashdot.
Who the fuck do you think you are?
You don't get to say shit like that to Tena, who's on the best commenters here, sumwon/Salt Water/Anonymous. Get lost, troll.
Am I the only one thinking Iran-Contra on this.
damn close. everyone talks about the "arms-for-hostages" part, but often forget the violation of separation of powers (the "contra" part). One difference is that the congress explicitly prohibited money to the Contras. Still, it's criminal.
sorry for truncation...
All of these possible scenarios would hurt military readiness, morale and, possibly, retention, Zakheim noted.
The proposed DoD supplemental contains:
o $7.2 billion for conducting military operations.
o $4.1 billion to pay for some 80,000 Guard and Reserve troops called up to active duty for the war.
o $200 million for service members in critical wartime jobs like linguists and other hard-to-maintain specialties.
o $500 million to obtain additional precision munitions, such as Joint Direct Attack Munitions.
o $1.6 billion to fund command, control, communications, and intelligence support and classified programs.
o $400 million for coalition support to Afghanistan, Pakistan and other partners in the war on terrorism.
DoD is already $3 billion into its fourth-quarter funding to pay for the war, Zakheim said. Mindful of looming deficits, he noted, Congress is now in conference to discuss and negotiate national budgetary matters.
He said there is a lot of good will in Congress as part of ongoing negotiations for DoD's budget supplemental. However, he emphasized, time is running out. The annual month-long congressional summer recess coming in August normally lasts through Labor Day.
"Sometimes things take time to get sorted out. We're just saying, ... please do so by the beginning of August," he said.
Zakheim acknowledged that DoD can't just stop all military operations if Congress doesn't provide the additional money before its recess. "But, he pointed out, "you reach a point where if you don't have the money, you don't have the money."
People, as the title bar says.
Don't feed the trolls.
Robert - LOL - Ioved the cliches - they really seemed just right.
Either everyone who still has a brain and a functioning conscience in government bands together to help us get the hell out of here, or it all goes down like the Titanic. I'm betting on some permutation of the first option, and that the forces are gathering.
Right, we missed the "SILENCE!" order.
We shared the spider pics.
Our work here is done.
People, as the title bar says.
Don't feed the trolls.
dcb
Yeah, we know. Just human nature. Which, of course, is what trollboy is counting on to get his kicks.
People, as the title bar says.
Don't feed the trolls.
Tena & Robert--I feel that, too. Just because we aren't seeing open movement against this unprecedented threat to our nation, doesn't mean that there isn't something going on behind the scenes. I'm not so cynical, yet, that I believe NO ONE in government is moved by true patriotism.
Judy Whoremuff and Wolf Assblister are both whining that W's position on seeking UN help is now identical to Kerry's. I suppose they're "hinting" that it would be wrong to change horses. The point is: Who would be more likely to receive this help? They didn't go into that, of course.
People, as the title bar says.
Don't feed the trolls.
Bush on May 23 2002: I told the chancellor [German Chancellor Schroeder] that I have no war plans on my desk, which is the truth.
Well, that totally screwed up.
Let's just pretend I didn't post that one, okay?
jeez, robert m., you're a pastor? now i feel bad about all my blaspheming. (even "jeez" is just a euphemistic oath, y'know)
I figure the worst that will happen is I have to give Kerry some bucks and endure some rather lame taunting from Athenae and pie.
Lame taunting like that you're a pretty little girl? With pretty pretty pigtails and fluffy little ribbons and bows on her pretty dress?
A.
TownDrunk--embarrassing as it would be for our nation, wouldn't it be telling if the UN could actually say officially that it will NOT deal with the present administration in the USA?
ha ha. holden's a girl.
I'm not so cynical, yet, that I believe NO ONE in government is moved by true patriotism.
I keep Richard Clarke in mind.
Politically we're probably miles apart.
But I'm still glad he was in D.C. all that time. And I'd like to think he was not unique. I'd like to believe he is evidence Bush/Cheney are the outliers.
All I can think is that our ntaion is heading for a change, a monumental, trainwreck, violent, brainshattering change.
This is the end of the biz-Czars.
kei & yur - I love you dearly, but I wouldn't look at those pictures for anything. Just the thought is enough to freak me out. Snakes, I love them. Spiders - I'm irrational. I can't imagine people like me stuck in Iraq with those things - and you know there are arachniphobes there. The thought of the spiders and then the scorpions, along with the heat - god I feel for our military. And that doesn't even get us to the shooting...
jeez, robert m., you're a pastor? now i feel bad about all my blaspheming. (even "jeez" is just a euphemistic oath, y'know)
You obviously haven't been with me after my second beer.
Or in heavy traffic.
Or behind the wheel of a car, period.
I shudder to think what Anglo-Saxon terms my 11 year old daughter has already learned....
Thanks, Robert. If Clarke came out openly, despite the appearance of party betrayal, I like to imagine that there are plenty more still "inside."
I probably shouldn't do this but I'm going to anyway... our favorite lame-ass troll, Ricky Vandal, has a post to his blog about Kerry's alleged impotence.
Sooooo... rightards hate Clinton because he's too virile. And they hate Kerry because he's (allegedly) impotent.
Make up your minds, will ya?
Richard Clarke was the greatest thing I've witnessed happen since this bunch took over the U.S.
Let me ask this unpleasant question - does anyone else wonder if because this revelation is from a book that it makes it less likely that any action will be taking?
cheney--maybe the change will be more like childbirth. More scary on the upside than on the downside. We'll get through it, and the results might be really great.
renato, Kerry and his wife have one of the hottest relationships in public I've ever seen. They're all adorable and snuggly together. I wuv them.
I mean, going on the theory that we're electing National Mom and Dad, I'd rather National Mom and Dad were National Hot for one another. People getting laid on a regular basis tend to start fewer wars.
A.
Speaking of the continuing at-our--own-peril neglect of Afghanistan: An Afghan civil rights activist is being forced to marry her cousin by her family
http://tinyurl.com/2deby
or taken? Sorry.
Cole,
I wonder how the wingnuts feel about W caving in to the UN?
Cole, way back, the "transfer tube" change for "body bag" immediately made me think of birth canal.
Too weird.
We are living in a nightmare. That's the only explanation why anyone would watch a show where Trump fires some chump for not being slimey enough, never watched the show, though.
Who will save us?
Lame taunting like that you're a pretty little girl? With pretty pretty pigtails and fluffy little ribbons and bows on her pretty dress?
You go, girl.
re: scrapping the thing and starting over. it's called a constitutional convention, and it may be what is needed. jeremiah elias had a very good point about the differences between the dems and the repubs. i will vote for kerry, but his stances on israel and central america are disturbing. a few extra scraps thrown my way are not going to change my view of imperialism.
as for the way, way upthread comment about "in a normal society this would bring the government down," shouldn't it read "in a FREE society this would bring the government down." until another party actually breaks into the system, it will remain corrupt. i had hoped the massive corruption of the repubs combined with recent developments would cool the whole imperial thing down a bit, because it's the key to survival.
Athenae - Woo Hoo! Me too. I loved having the Big Dawg around - he just exudes charisma and sex appeal. But it was his downfall, so it will be very nice to have a snuggly first couple.
You go, girl.
pie
See, Holden? pie's encouraging you.
BTW, pie, if you really are Arianna, this bet is one of the cooler experiences of my life.
A.
Not that it's not cool if you're not famous, of course. It's still cool. Cooly cooly coolness. Whoo!
Too much *fucking* caffeine. Clearly.
A.
TD--hee hee. Love the image, but they only know what they're told, so moot point.
cheney-- why WE will, laddie. Who else IS there?
interesting coincidence on the metaphor, though.
Tena, I keep flashing back to this quote from the Cosby show like a million years ago when one of the Cosby kids was talking to his friends about their parents.
"Mine don't talk anymore."
"Mine still kiss."
Cosby kid (Jamal, maybe?): "Mine are all over each other!"
Though I think Teresa is much hotter than Big John, I'd love a presidential make-out session in the Rose Garden.
A.
Just write "11" at the end of outrage meter. "That's one more isn't it?"
cheney_usa | Email | Homepage | 04.16.04 - 4:29 pm | #
You have to ask how much blacker the Bushies hearts could be; and the answer is none. None more black.
I love the smell of the Hague in the morning.
Does anyone remember a while back Rumsfeld got coought with a couple million dollars that wasn't reported anywhere and he simply said it was an accounting error or something? What was that about?
Athenae - Oooh baby!
God, to have a real president, even one I don't always agree with. But a real fucking president with a real wife. It's going to feel like we've finally crossed Death Valley and have reached the green pastures of the fabled American paradise.
Tena:The reason why Richard Clarke has the impact he did, is that he did it in such a way where he was the perfect anti-Washington foil.
People in general have a distrust of Washington and politicians..feel like they are in it for themselves. Patiotism? What patriotism?
I strongly believe, that if the GOP had of picked McCain, he'd be cruising towards re-election. We could nominate Jesus and he wouldn't be defeated.
It's the same thing. Clarke speaks for the average person that distrusts Washington as being in it for himself.
jsg - No, I don't remember that. It gets difficult to keep up with all of the crimes this bunch has committed.
No, I'm not Arianna, although I've seen her on teevee lately discussing her new book and bashing Bush.
Holden *thinks* my name has to do with the letter in the Greek alphabet, and I just spell it wrong. The closest I get to being Greek is eating in a Greek restaurant. Yum! (Used to love to go to Greektown in Chicago)
Silly Holden.
good comments by tena on the idea that some of the people have consciences. and robert m., clarke gives me hope as well, but it's not those people i worry about. i TRUST bureaucrats, it's the people in charge of the bureaus who make me wary. it's disgusting sometimes the way the system is so off-kilter, and the level of outrage among lawmakers (at least publically) is pretty much non-existent. cabinet members and career bureaucrats can jump ship all day, but the people in the congress and the senate, the ones supposedly there to make laws and CHECK the executive branch, have yet to prove anything as a group.
"I've discovered new, previously unknown reserves of outrage."
Old Hat | Email | Homepage | 04.16.04 - 4:10 pm | #
-the new Democratic Campaign motto?
factory--I've always tried to understand universals from the specific--deductive reasoning (or is that inductive). Regarding imperialism v survival--I suppose I agree in the sense that nations are merely larger tribes, which are larger family units, which are larger integrated individuals. In the age of society, success in natural selection is predicated on access to resources with minimalized risk. Hence, the peak of present evolutionary branch is the individual that is second to the primary hierarch. That is, the guy BEHIND the scenes. yahoo Repubs want to be the fool target out front--and that is the whole problem with their ideology. Being the Top Dog means maximum risk with minimum gain. Bad Business.
Karmakin - It is also Clarke's demeanor. He was unshakable, straightforward and answered every question. It was so amazing to see someone who projected such honesty and real patriotism.
Today on
">Holden's Obsession with the Gaggle, Athenae and "pie" better not spend Big John's money yet. Scottie doesn't have a date for the Chimp's testimony:
Q When is the President and the Vice President going to meet with the 9/11 Commission?
MR. McCLELLAN: I don't have any updates to report at this time. You all will be kept apprised.
Q You know, don't you?
MR. McCLELLAN: I didn't say that, I'm just -- we'll keep you apprised.
How oyu like me now, biatch?
pie sez:
No, I'm not Arianna, although I've seen her on teevee lately discussing her new book and bashing Bush.
I knew it all along.
No accent. Dead giveaway.
Mmmm, Greek food. Lamb.
Outta here for the weekend, kids. Play nicely with Holden, remember, he's sensitive.
A.
As Obsession continues, Scottie confirms Woodward, in a very Scottie-esque fashion:
Q Scott, the President said he couldn't recall whether it was in November, 2001 when he asked Secretary Rumsfeld to draw up war plans for Iraq, and he said he was going to check and try to refresh his memory. Do you know whether it was -- that's the correct date, November?
MR. McCLELLAN: First of all, I think what he was referring to was the September time period in the immediate aftermath of the September 11th attacks, and when he was meeting with his national security team. And at that point in September, all our focus was on Afghanistan and removing the Taliban regime from power and taking away the safe harbor for al Qaeda that existed in Afghanistan.
Certainly, late November it was becoming increasingly clear what direction things were headed in Afghanistan. It was clear that the Taliban was no longer going to have a hold on Afghanistan. We began combat operations in Afghanistan in the earlier period of October, and by November and early December things were winding down. And the President did talk to Secretary Rumsfeld about Iraq. But there is a difference between planning and making a decision.
Q So he did ask him to draw up invasion plans in November of 2001?
MR. McCLELLAN: You're talking about the late period of November, when things were winding down in Afghanistan. He did talk to Secretary Rumsfeld about planning related to Iraq.
Q And that would include an invasion?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, let me walk back, let's talk about planning versus the actual decision, because as I said, there is a difference there.
[Saddam's regime was a danger, yadda-yadda, Sep. 11th changed everything...]
Q Scott, so you're confirming that the President did ask Secretary Rumsfeld to draw up plans in November, 2001 on Iraq?
FOR JEEBUS' SAKE, SOMEONE GET OVER TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND GIVE THIS JOKER A BLOWJOB BEFORE THE WORLD ENDS!!! NOW!!!
Let's ask ourselves why Congress hasn't made a stink about this.
jr-- thanks for lookign that up. That sounds like a likely answer for where the money came from.
Why is your Homepage a WaPo article from Jefferson Morley?
factory--I've always tried to understand universals from the specific--deductive reasoning (or is that inductive).
Inductive.
(Tediously trotting our rhetorical requirements.)
Oh, I have more Obsession where that came from. Oh, yeah.
Tday we learn that Little Scottie has to read a book to know what is happening in the White House:
Q Scott, also in Woodward's book about November 2001, he says and reports in his book that the President, in talking about these contingency plans, told Rumsfeld not to bring -- not to tell Tenet that they were doing this, or other members of the foreign policy team. Why keep Tenet out of the loop, then, in November?
MR. McCLELLAN: One, I have not seen the book at this point, so I can't get into commenting on things that you're bringing up at this point. I mean, the specific question that Terry asked, I can confirm that, that we discussed earlier. But I haven't seen the book at this point. I don't have any reason to dispute any of the quotes in the book, but beyond that, I cannot get into commenting about some of the characterizations that may be in there at this point.
Q So you don't know whether or not Rumsfeld was told by the President not to inform Tenet?
MR. McCLELLAN: Look, I don't have any transcript in front of me at this point. The book hasn't officially been released at this point. I recognize there are some stories out there, but until I've had a chance to see the book, I wouldn't be able to get into any of those issues.
Oh man, I mean if you think about it..we're hitting new unparalleled amounts of scandal here..
I think there's a good point, at a certian point, there's so much that it's impossible to focus on anything, so nothing gets fleshed out.
And know this crowd, we'd much better one or two scandals completly fleshed out than a bunch of flesh wounds, so to speak, even though the flesh wounds would be more politically damaging.
We're just too damn wonkish!
Have a great weekend, Athenae!
And yes, that should be "trotting out...
Honestly. I give up....
FOR JEEBUS' SAKE, SOMEONE GET OVER TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND GIVE THIS JOKER A BLOWJOB BEFORE THE WORLD ENDS!!! NOW!!!
jimmiraybob | Email | Homepage | 04.16.04 - 6:29 pm | #
Christ! I just got the funniest picture of that happening and the film dropping from W's eyes as he suddenly wakes up to reality and sets about putting things right. Like Superman overcoming the effects of kryptonite.
As
">Obsession concludes, I wonder who the reporter is who interrupted his colleague?
Q Scott, on the road map -- since the road map --
MR. McCLELLAN: How did you jump in here?
Q You recognized me.
MR. McCLELLAN: Did I call on you? No, I looked at you. Norah.
Culd it be? Yes, it's none other than Les "Scottie's Hemorhoid" Kingsolver!
Q Scott, since the road map is one year old in two weeks, and since it requires the Palestinians to "arrest, disrupt, and restrain terrorists, confiscate terrorist weapons, and dismantle the terrorist infrastructure" -- which they have never, ever done-- first question, why is the anti-terrorist Bush administration giving $30 million to the PA directly as, reported by The New York Times, rather than cancelling all such aid?
MR. McCLELLAN: Les, let me talk to the bigger picture here. If you put the institutions in place for a viable and democratic government to exist, the leaders will emerge, the leaders that are necessary to take steps to crack down on terrorism and to dismantle terrorist organizations. And that's where the President's focus is.
ooops--my secret identity revealed. K & Y the younger was me. Sorry.
...takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, 'What Oh wait, let me get Bob in here so he can quote this in his new book, as was saying ..."
Now I've got it!
"Athenae" = "Arianna."
And "pie" = ...apple?
No, wait, let's try this again....
No accent. Dead giveaway.
When we lived in Iowa, someone once said to me, "You're not from this side of the Mississippi, are you?"
I grew up in western New York. I thought it was hilarious.
thanks Robbie mah man. I'll remember that by the I, as in I am an inductive reasoner.
...takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, 'What Oh wait, let me get Bob in here so he can quote this in his new book, as was saying ..."
Yeah, I keep wondering....
...where does Woodward get this stuff?
K&Y -- i would agree that democrats put a nicer face on it, but i would disagree that america stands behind anybody when they lead. this country has tried to assume top dog position ever since it took the philippines, and WWII essentially left it in top dog position and the fall of the soviet union took away the anti-communism mask of an empire. if i have to live in an imperial society, i'd rather my emporer wear clothes, but something needs to change, and it's ultimately not the letter "R" or "D" next to the guys in charge.
that said, i'm voting for kerry. i get how much more dangerous a naked, arrogant, and idiotic emporer is...
When we lived in Iowa, someone once said to me, "You're not from this side of the Mississippi, are you?"
When we lived in St. Louis, my wife's employers (very nice people, by the way), couldn't get over her latent Texas-ism. When asked if she'd done something (and she hadn't yet), she'd invariably respond (in full East Texas twang): "I'm fixin' to!"
The full bore version, of course, and the one meaning you aren't even thinking about starting to, being: "I'm fixin' to get around to it."
The surest sign she wasn't "from around there." Same side of the Mississippi. Whole other world. (Lovely place, but they consider salt and pepper exotic spices.)
jr (thanks for the article),
Might be HR 4775
SHORT TITLE(S) AS ENACTED:
2002 Supplemental Appropriations Act for Further Recovery From and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the United States. Introduced in May and became law in August 2002, had amendments out the ass, and was in conference committee mid to late July.
Impeach, convict, remove from the White House at bayonet point, escort to waiting C141, fly to The Hague, drag before the International Tribunal in chains, try, convict, drag back to the US in irons w/frogmarch to try for treason, try, convict, then sentence to death, take to Texas, strap him to the gurney, and when the miserable failure begs for his life ("Please don't kill me"), smirk and press the button.
Oh, and make that harpy of a mother of his watch the whole thing, Clockwork Orange-style if need be.
(Lovely place, but they consider salt and pepper exotic spices.)
St. Louis? I was only there once, but I loved the Italian neighborhood.
Such smells. Heaven.
I'm getting hungry.
Incognito, weren't you the one that hates Cajuns?
Tena and everyone, I found it!
The U.S. Special Operations Command at MacDill Air Force Base inflated budget proposals at the Pentagon's request last year to hide $20-million from Congress, according to documents obtained by the St. Petersburg Times.
Special Operations officials divided the money among six projects so the money would not attract attention. They also instructed their own budget analysts not to mention it during briefings with congressional aides, the documents show.
The Pentagon's inspector general has launched an investigation. House Appropriations Chairman C.W. Bill Young, R-Largo, said he will ask Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld during a hearing Tuesday whether the Pentagon intentionally deceived Congress.
And it goes on.
Incognito, weren't you the one that hates Cajuns?
Yes, that was he.
However, I don't think he'll be posting for a while.
"Lovely place, but they consider salt and pepper exotic spices."
Now pleeeeeze. We KNOW salt and pepper are exotic spices! Sheesh.
Who are you going to impeach since it's so unclear who's running the show? Is it Cheney? Is it the theocrats? Is it Kissinger? Is it Satan?
jsg, that's a HUGE score!
If they asked MacDill to do it, they probably asked others.
it's the people in charge of the bureaus who make me wary
"Bureaux".
What separation of powers?
The date of the St Pete Times article is 9/28/03. They reference that this happened "last year", which would put it after Afghanistan, but before Iraq.
"Lovely place, but they consider salt and pepper exotic spices."
No biggy; we consider Ketchup to be a vegetable....
St. Louis? I was only there once, but I loved the Italian neighborhood.
Such smells. Heaven.
Yes, lovely place.
But I speak, you understand, as someone seriously addicted to Tex-Mex.
So if it ain't jalapenos in the breakfast eggs, it's dull to me.
US=failed state
...takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, 'What Oh wait, let me get Bob in here so he can quote this in his new book, as was saying ..."
This is what we get for letting them get away with Iran/Contra. There should have been hangings. Instead, we have another illegal war unconstitutionally financed. Are we going to bend over again?
This is what we get for letting them get away with Iran/Contra. There should have been hangings. Instead, we have another illegal war unconstitutionally financed. Are we going to bend over again?
Hell no. This time, we fight back with brass balls like Andy Sipowicz.
if bush makes it through this term and fades into the sunset without doing a perp-walk at some point, his administration will have proven that you can get away with anything and not face any consequences from anyone. sometimes i think they'd have to take away everyone's televisions to get anybody in this country fired up about anything. if the public had been this compliant in the days of the true patriots, i'd be getting ready to take the lift down to the car park...
i don't know. i just can't picture that drunken pussy grabbing anybody by the collar.
jpg - Good catch - that's great. I wish it would all go somewhere -
hey orbitron, "bureaux." isn't that french? why do you hate america?
well, i doubt the 60 minutes interview was in the can before karen hughes had a chance to spin her magic about the context of woodward's question that elicited the george-not--being-on-point-about-that-at-that-
point-in-time quote. hey, note to dan bartlett. don't they pay you the big bucks, too? it takes dragging karen away from her family to come up with that context? anyway, think 60 minutes asked him about that? maybe not. but, don't you just love how george tried to float his version of it during the press conference "let me put that quote to woodward in context, because he had asked me if i was--something about killing bin laden. that's what the question was."
yes, george, and...?
say whaaaaa, karen? ok, lemme get this straight. you were in the room. and woodward said: "so did you issue a directive to assassinate obl?" and because the overriding concern of george at that precise moment in time was not spilling the beans to woodward that if he'd issued such a directive it would've violated--what?--protocols that the civilized world recognized (oh, you mean, like declaring countries to be--now its--gathering threats, gathering threats, gotta remember that, gathering not impending, biiiiiig difference, and invading at will? you mean, those kinds of protocols?) so anyway, george is so momentarilly befuddled that he not reveal to woodward that he had indeed violated those kinds of protocols, and woodward is blocking his view of karen who's doing pantomime quiz to beat the band in the background--terror! threat! freedom! god!--and what george, quite naturally, in his inimitable fashion had said was, "well, i wasn't quite on point about that. i mean my blood wasn't boiling." or some such. say, whaaaaa, karen? i don't quite get the flow of dear leader's thought processes here. this is way too much like an eddie izzard riff. [note to eddie: feel free.] "say george, what say blow obl out of the water?" "well, bob, i didn't feel quite on point about that." oh, wait a minute! now it's starting to sound remotely plausible.
hey, hughes, good job! ten minutes from cow flop city nothin'! only thing is the whole thing smells so much like the way franken imagines she fought her way through the drunk driving arrest explanation. check him out. lies and lying liars... yes, well, did it ever enter your mind that governor bush was arrested for--for--for--for driving too slowly? yes! hunnnh, did it?
so, anyway, where was i? oh, yeah. i'm thinking the 60 minutes was already in the can by the time that context story might've been--er--revised. who's doing the interview? think lesley'd ask him about that question context? won't somebody be asking it? and are they so sure woodward won't just say what a crock of ten minutes from cow flop city?!? maybe not. things are so strange and entertaining with this gang, i can't believe how
oops!
...i can't believe how people are wasting their time on the apprentice, or survivor, or joe shmoe. the news, baby, the news is just un-f***k'n-a-believable these days. the blogoshpere is where it's at.
Apparently, Woodward's book is largely based on interviews with all of the principals involved. The cubbyhole discussion may be based on information gleened from the interviews.
On the otherhand I chuckled at Bob's "'What Oh wait, let me get Bob in here so he can quote this in his new book, as was saying ...'"
Some explain how this logic follows (from the Post):
--In three and a half hours of interviews with Woodward, an assistant managing editor at The Washington Post, Bush said the secret planning was necessary to avoid "enormous international angst and domestic speculation." He said, "War is my absolute last option."--
...takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, 'What Oh wait, let me get Bob in here so he can quote this in his new book, as was saying ..."
IF THIS IS...???????? In other words specualtion! Not facts. By the way, how come if Bush pulled Rumsfeld by the hair into the cupboard, that Woodward got to hear this? Sounds fake to me.
"Sounds fake to me"
And remember not to listen to fakes, folks. Like the fake Ricky Vandal, for instance.
Drip, drip, drip... SPLASH!!!!
...takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, 'What Oh wait, let me get Bob in here so he can quote this in his new book, as was saying ..."
...takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, 'What Oh wait, let me get Bob in here so he can quote this in his new book, as was saying ..."
the bastards changed the poll.
i suppose george was losing big.
Why does Haloscan keep reposting my comment? All I am doing is clicking refresh so I can view the latest comments, but then it reposts me again and again ?
"FOR JEEBUS' SAKE, SOMEONE GET OVER TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND GIVE THIS JOKER A BLOWJOB BEFORE THE WORLD ENDS!!! NOW!!!" - jimmiraybob
Or the other way around...
oh jesus, will this country ever learn. democrats get embroiled in sex scandals(big freak'n deal). repugs commit hi crimes never mind the misdemeanors they all do that.
can anyone say "off the shelf, self sustaining, operations" real fast 10 times.
Tim, that's what always happens with Haloscan if you hit Refresh after posting. Always close the window after posting, then re-open the comments.
I think bush's 'Almighty' (you know, the one that gifts the whold world with freedom) has to notice pretty soon and take care of him!
charley, I guarantee you there have been as many repugs caught in 'sex scandals' as Democrats. Guarantee it!
"necessary to avoid "enormous international angst and domestic speculation." He said, "War is my absolute last option.""
Somebody tell me how Shrub knew to use the word 'angst'?
Cole the jingai:
Tom Tomorrow cartoon, in which the Preznit MUST interrupt his Air National Guard service to fight Space Lizards (who just happen to have Mind Disorientation Ray Guns), and tragically must tell no one nor explain the missing papers or the apparent brain damage...
Also, it helps to be in costume.
We know George W Bush is a liar and now he is shown to be a thief.
Did you listen to the Duuh-bya try to answer the question about early Iraq war plans today. It is clear there are only two possibilities.
1) He is as Francoise Ducros said, a moron. That would make him our Moron in Chief.
2) He is our Pinocchio President, a lying puppet incapable of putting a thought together without his puppet masters help.
Streaker, oh i know but i can't think of any at the upper echelon who have been taken down for it. and gary hart would have been a good president. better than clinton. but the sigfnificance is the hi crimes.
nixon, reagan+his former vp. (yu know who), and now this bush. and none of them have suffered as severe consequences. no smpathy from me for bill clinton but gary hart would have been good for this country.
damn, i want to be embroiled in a sex scandal.
You're right, Charley ... the repugs always seem to avoid the hard stuff, but there was Newt and Livingstone and Hyde. I had totally forgotten about Hart. Golly, listening to him speak several times recently makes you long for things that might have been.
We could start by spreading rumors here on Atrios. CHARLEY'S HAD SEX WITH _____________________!
Flashback time.
President Reagan: If such a story gets out, we'll all be hanging by our thumbs in front of the White House...
i like that streaker, i like that a lot.
Ah, to see Bush in the Hague, sharing a cell with Milosevic, whose name he didn't even know during the 2000 debates...Irony, thy name is Bush.
"Mooser-so, you didn't feel sorry for Amazone Dishwashing Slave Ricky and his Severin-like adoration of Mistress Jenna?
kei & yuri K&Y- 'scuseame fer not respondin'- had to take the weedeater in for service, but:
Feel sorry for some one who's so close to getting a date with the First Daughter? Hah! I should have such luck.
I just hope I get invited to the wedding.
And nobody quit to spill the beans on this, the same old Republican shit every single time they're in office. They are the "Fuck You" party. They do anything they want, "Fuck Everybody." Then they lie constantly about it all. They are Demons of true Evil. What we need is a French Revolution, meaning guillotines!
Woodwards has become a whore ! His book does not offer new info.
Why does Haloscan keep reposting my comment? All I am doing is clicking refresh so I can view the latest comments, but then it reposts me again and again ?
Simple version:
What happens is that when you click submit, you are submitting information in a form. In many cases, this information determines what you see- so when you click refresh, it resubmits that form data to keep your viewing consistent. In a comments page such as this one, submitting that form posts your comment, so refreshing resubmits the form, thus posting it again.
Woodward's book first installment is on Wash Post web site this morning. I am sorry to say that it is a puff piece. Wash Post is going to excerpt for 5 days - but if this first installment is any indication, we will be disappointed. Let the word spread. Do not buy the book.
Rush (Oxybaugh) yesterday, sent out a chill message to his dittoheads.
He said, "I think Richard Clarke is really, REALLY, going to regret doing what he did".
The way he said it was completely threatening, and by using "really" not once, but twice, it makes me wonder if perhaps he discussed this matter with Cheney (or one of the other junta insiders) when he was last on his show? Does Rush have inside information that the Bushistas are going to do a hit on Clarke? Perhaps some "black-ops" on him or his family? A small plane "crash" perhaps?
Watch your back Richard, because it sure sounds like they've got some "revenge" planned for you. Interesting though, that Rush almost made it sound like Clarke's revelations were a defining moment in the destruction of the Bush regime. I think Rush knows they are toast now, and it's just a matter of time.
We can only hope....
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