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No communion, and suspension of Constitutional Ammendments over the number seven.
Arnold is also a homosexual bodybuilder married to a horse faced woman.
Look! Over there! Michael Jackson! Janet Jackson's boob! American Idol finalists!
Why do we pay attention to the Catholic Church? Is there a more misogynistic organization in the world?
Women in the priesthood? We'll have nun of that!
Did the governator convert to marry into Camelot? I never heard that hewas Catholic before
Did the governator convert to marry into Camelot? I never heard that hewas Catholic before
Hey, how about we pick on some secular fundamentalists for a change? Got any examples?
The Catholic Church, you mean the Great Whore?
Proof number 666,666,666 that gawd does not exist.
And???
Schwartezneggerliar:
1) Enron co-conspirator (met with Ken Lay, Milken, during energy-manipulations crisis).
2) LIAR. Ran on two HUGE lies, that Pete Wilson's Car Tax was Gray Davis' fault (Pete Wilson, former gov'nor, and Frankinegger's campaign chief). R refusal to sign budget caused 'crisis,' reduced by Davis/Legislature to $8 B, even though Frankinegger continued to use the outdated $30+ B number.
3) Conspirator. Recall election was a fraud, and the result was uncertifiable (how much did Steve Shelley get, or why didn't he get anything for putting our constitution in the toilet?). No one knows how many people voted for which replacement candidate, though that was moot.
4) Unqualified, racist, and sex criminal. Supported by Thug Party, by 'kill them all' and 'women are for f*cking' imbeciles. Famous for being a jerk to women, and worse, and well-known for hatred of Mexicans, Latinos, Blacks, and Asians. Drug user, endearing in a celebrity, ridiculous in an R candidate with pompous moral positions. Illegal alien. Neo-Nazi leanings well known in SoCal and Austria. Tax fraud: paid no taxes on muscle competitions and protein powder ads while on tourist visa (illegal to work). Racist policies (DL withholding, hospitalization blocking). Pal of several warcriminals.
5) Bushliarco co-conspirator, junior grade. Plenty happy to align himself with the Coup.
6) Hummer and Whitesnake promoter. Vomit mixed with blood. Overconsumer. Braggart. Bad role model.
Of course he's always been Catholic - I think most Austrians are.
Oh,
1b) Put in power to eliminate $12 B Enron refund to state (which would have erased the $8 B debt without any major cuts in services).
Yer, right jsaro! What about that galldang rigged Amurrican Idol contest? The very foundation of our TeeVee democracy is at stake, dammit!
They don't call him the Terminator for nothin!
Terminatin' pregnancies and eatin' raw eggs... it does a body good!
no communion, just bukkake
as far as "American Idol" goes, i'm still rooting for Frenchy!
Arnie did a clean and jerk.
From exercize he would not shirk.
But his wife said, "I'm pissed!
Is there something you've missed?
How 'bout doing a little bedwork?"
no communion, just turkee
After getting to know him better in the late 70s I came to wonder if Karol Wojtyla wasn't a CIA asset. He's given me a very few reasons to think maybe he isn't but a lot of those he appointed have given me every reason to believe that they are.
The right didn't like the direction of the Catholic Church, especially the U.S. Catholic Church. They didn't like all those letters on Peace and Justice coming out of the American Bishops and decided something had to be done about them. The pastoral letter on the economy was the last straw.
It's no surprise that the appointees of JPII would be pushing the Republican Party and its candidates. They are beginning the most blatant attempt by the Vatican to shape American politics in history. It is an astounding irony that the way to tell the Pope to keep out of American politics is to vote for the Catholic.
George W. Bush is the Pope's candidate, it is as simple as that.
Wojtyla brings dishonor on his office every time something like this happens. And don't give me that it's just the curia run amock. It's been developing throughout his entire papacy. He isn't stupid, if he wanted to stop it he could. He's an absolute mornach, for Pete's sake.
I'm glad I'm out of it.
National Socialist Catholic - they are special.
See, this is the problem with "gotcha" politics. If an outsider who wants to run for office -- to make the world a better place -- is going to get their personal life picked apart in the liberal media, good upstanding folk won't run for office.
A politician's religion is their own personal business, as long as they're a conservative Christian and/or Republican. Their religious beliefs should be a private matter between them and their church, except when attempting to force those beliefs on everyone through legislation.
Obviously Arnold's personal life is off limits. How dare you lower the discourse so?
I could at least respect the Vatican's position if they also refused communion to pro-Death Penalty Catholics. If they don't do so then I believe their position against Pro-Choice politicians is just political and aimed at Kerry in particular.
How can we convince the mainstream press to put Arnold Schwarzenegger's name next to Kerry's every time the do the pro-choice communion story? Many of us may not like him, but I think it would kill the Republican spin REALLY fast, or force them to turn on each other. Either outcome is good for Kerry.
But it's OK. After all, he's for killing people who have been born. That seems to be OK with the Catholic Church.
And he's a conservative who hates poor people, thereby giving all good Christians the opportunity to show their love of humanity by funding charitable organizations that help poor people. If government did it all, what would the rich have to do, but spend their money on luxuries?
Isn't the Catholic Church the group that not only acted as a haven and enabler for pedophiles, but also helped keep them from facing the consequences of their evil?
I would imagine that most Catholics tend to be of the cafetaria variety, and those who stick to holy writ are to be avoided at all costs.
And the head of the Methodist church has publicly rebuked Bush for the war in Iraq and for refusing to meet with church leaders about it. Why isn't that front page news?
Is there a more misogynistic organization in the world?
The Republican Party is certainly nipping at its heels.
A.
Here's a journal from a man who loves America.
http://www.gdnctr.com/list2.htm
And the head of the Methodist church has publicly rebuked Bush for the war in Iraq and for refusing to meet with church leaders about it. Why isn't that front page news?
Mike
They took over the Vatican by stealth, they bought the American media outright.
In 1960, Republicans insinuated that a Catholic, Democratic candidate with the initials JFK, was unfit for the Presidency because he would do the Pope's bidding as President.
In 2004, Republicans (with the aid of the buttinsky Vatican) are insinuating that a Catholic, Democratic candidate with the initials JFK, is unfit for the Presidency because he won't do the Pope's bidding as President.
We've come a long way in 44 years, haven't we?
>We've come a long way in 44 years, haven't we?
These are the actions of a part of the Church which knows that the first non-European Pope is coming, and they will soon be fresh out of luck and...power.
Eunuchs without patrons. Sad really.
What would be the advantage to the US Treasury by removing the tax-exempt status from all churches?
If the fundies wanna play politics, fine.
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These are the actions of a part of the Church which knows that the first non-European Pope is coming, and they will soon be fresh out of luck and...power.
Nancy Richardson
I think some of the early bishops they decided later were really Popes were non-Europeans, on I believe reading was North African.
Don't hold out too much hope for the next pope, even if he is non-European. He's going to be far right unless the Holy Ghost intervenes. We all used to think that a non-Italian Pople would be a welcome breath of fresh air, but this one's been closing the windows that Good Pope John finally opened.
>Good Pope John finally opened
the first and last good pope.
re: being in or out of power
sadly whether the next pope is european or non-european will make no difference for those currently in power. over the last two decades, this pope has picked only conservatives who will perpetuate his pre-Vatican II 'vision'...and that conservative brotherhood will trump any european v. non-european divide.
Pope John the first and last good pope.
There was Pope John Paul the first. Wasn't he looking to be a progressive pope in the line of John 23rd? Isn't that one of the reasons he was murdered? (ooooops!)
We've come a long way in 44 years, haven't we?
At least we now have blogs upon which to bitch about all of this.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a pro-Choice Catholic Politician.
Thus, he shouldn't take communion in a gym.
Letter to send to your papers (secular AND church):
John Kerry, Arnold Schwartzenegger, and Tom Ridge all have something in common: They are pro-choice Catholic politicians.
So why is that handful of bishops only denying communion to Kerry?
Last time I looked, Catholic Republicans were subject to the same rules as Catholic Democrats. When did this change? Did I miss a meeting?
Isn't that one of the reasons he was murdered? (ooooops!)
Streaker
Interesting isn't it that the first openly socialist Pope would have such a short papacy and that KW would succeed him? Sort of reminds me of Adrian, was it the IV?
Didn't buy natural causes then, don't buy it now.
So the Catholic church is going to deny communion to politicians (why just the politicians?) who think its ok to let people of ALL faiths decide what's right and wrong regarding abortion. However, war mongers, pro-death penalty advocates and priests who like little boys can still receive???
I haven't been to mass in over 20 years and it looks like it will be at least another 20 before I do.
it's not your father's republican party.
Republicans (with the aid of the buttinsky Vatican) are insinuating that a Catholic, Democratic candidate with the initials JFK, is unfit for the Presidency because he won't do the Pope's bidding as President.
This is especially important given Diebold is providing voting machines for the next Papal Election. Republicans are confident that when the white smoke appears, their nominee will be Pope.
I guess a developing fetus is more important than a sentient human being, kind of like an invisible god is more revered than a human being.
The same Catholics who would refuse JFK Holy Communion because he believes in allowing women to decide what to do with their bodies are the same faction of the church who support the death penalty and the killing of Arabs via the new 'terrorist' crusade/inquisition.
This is not about the sanctity of human life. It all comes down to the continued propogation of the misogynist, patriarchal paradigm that's been in effect for thousands of years. I think it's time for a new paradigm.
I think it's time for a new paradigm.
I hear that, Brother Friar.
Oh yeah, and these are the same Catholics who will continue to preserve 'the patriarchal paradigm', even if it means covering for the members of their heirarchy who rape a child's body and spirit. 'Sanctity of human life', indeed.
TheaLogie, that would be sister Friar. 
You have to wonder why the Catholic Church should have any influence at all. Not that Catholics shouldn't be influenced by their religion, just not their church. I mean, let's be honest--it doesn't have the greatest track record in the world. Maybe a few Catholics should tell the church to concern itself with the actual religion rather than trying to decide elections.
Hopefully its attempts to sabotage Kerry will be pretty much ignored by Catholics as they realize that these actions are . . . well, stupid and hypocritical, frankly.
- Joel
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Nightmares For Sale - another damn blog (that you really should check out)
Maybe the Pope ought to start paying taxes, if he wants to meddle in politics, or else shut his mouth and butt out.
I should have guessed. My bad
I do have to say that most of the Catholics I've met are kick ass cool. They aren't like some of the members of their heirarchy who want to bring back The Dark Ages along with the fundies, who think the Catholic church is The Great Whore of Babylon, btw. Though conservative in many ways, the Catholics I've met tend to be liberal and down-to-earth in many other ways.
As far as religion goes, I've found the average Catholic to be much more tolerant than Mormons, who tend to be much, MUCH more tolerant than fundamentalist Christians. Where the upper echelon in their leadership is coming from, I have no idea.
Hopefully its attempts to sabotage Kerry will be pretty much ignored by Catholics as they realize that these actions are . . . well, stupid and hypocritical, frankly.
Yeah, I think most practicing Catholics don't really pay that much attention to what the Pope says. Kerry is no exception.
Me, I long ago decided I didn't want to be a part of it when I strongly disagreed with half the things they were saying I should agree with.
Like these people give a damn about the Pope? Most of their wingnut base consist of people who think the Pope is either the herald of the anti-christ or simply the head of some freemason, illuminati world order cult.
Take a walk through the backwaters of northern Michigan, Missouri, or even Montana, the 3-M's, and you'll find any number of people that would spit in the Pope's eye given half the chance.
The fact he's polish doesn't help matters either.
This is simply republican partisan politics. They've played it on every issue. There is nothing they won't abuse for political gain.
Of course if we were to spy on one of the various wingnut blogs they're using the same language we are right now about the Dem's.
Isn't it funny how these people toss out the words 'fascist' and 'nazi' about liberals and Dems, without even bothering to see if they correspond to the actual truth in their behavior?
If anything we're closer to socialists, but fascists? Never!
Yet Limbug calls liberals fascists and doesn't even understand what that word means.
What's also interesting is what the conditions would be should 'Jesus' ever return. We no longer have a democracy but a monarchy. We are no longer a free people but slaves to the whim of a super-king. The whole thing is laughable. Conservatives talk about individual freedoms when they're inclined to subjugate people to the will of a monarchy in contrast to liberals who would prefer true freedom for the individual but with considerations to one another that demand some concessions in regards to how one behaves with respect to others.
The whole thing is one big farce.
MYOB'
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to the bum kisser who calls himself "Liberals are Liars": I followed your link and found this gem:
We need to jettison this entire income tax system, and the IRS, and institute a simple, Flat Tax of 13% or a National Retail Sales Tax, across the board. The current tax system is insanity. (((:::SIGH::))
This guy is obviously a moron. Once you figure your adjusted gross income it's easy to figure your tax whether it's flat or not.
How come you conservatives can't understand easy things like this? Morons!
wheeeee, recognized by the almighty Atrios!
Are I famous yet?
Thanks A.
TheaLogie, 'The Friar' is kind of masculine. I was thus dubbed by a friend because of my tendency to beat myself up--the guilt and self-flagellation being an unfortunate leftover consequence of hardcore religious upbringing.
the friar, I hope that you're joking about the flagellation. Read the first sermon of the Buddha, self torture is useless. Guilt is only useful as long as it gets you to think about what you should have done, then it's just a waste of time.
>This guy is obviously a moron.
why is it that people who never, ever, ever raise above the lowest tax bracket worry about income tax, but not have a clue about the necessity of reform of payroll taxes?
Have they truly bought into the lie that they will ever have the opportunity to be wealthy enough to say, afford an accountant?
friaress, I was raised by Catholics who worked their asses off for social justice. That part of the church has largely been forgotten by some in the hierarchy, who are more concerned about whether Africans are using condoms than that millions of them are dying of AIDS.
Proclamations about cosmetic issues like this, which are determined to do nothing but stir up pointless controversy, make me crazy. My father later became a flat-out atheist and told me once, "Melt down all the gold in the Vatican, sell the art collection, auction off the trappings of the church and you could cure all the world's diseases." It may be simplistic, but it struck a real chord with me.
A.
I think this issue is interesting because Catholics used to be Democrats, I think because they felt looked down upon by Wasps. This is changing. As Catholics, especially Irish Catholics feel just at home as Wasps in the US, I think they will become more conservative, more Republican.
"I ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat woman" is on the radio. I just had to laugh.
"Melt down all the gold in the Vatican, sell the art collection, auction off the trappings of the church and you could cure all the world's diseases." It may be simplistic, but it struck a real chord with me.Athena
and even tho i realize it's a BAC meme, this is why i called the Catholic Church The Great Whore. when i lived in Balt. travelling up Charles St. from the inner city to the beltway damn near everything was a catlick institution or some how owned by them. one sunday i went into one of the most beautiful, spacious, churches with all the gilt(ha-ha)and accoutrements. it inspired awe. i think it was me and about 2 or 3 others. jeebus i thought, this religion is irelevant. who is controlling all this money and why?
ok, that's my anecdote, supplying my uninformed opinion. i just don't think this issue has a lot of traction for bush. rabid fundies are going to vote bush no matter what. and i presume a majority of practicing catholics are more like kerry, or ridge, or arnold, or most other intelligent humans in the 21st cent.
I am Lauren Bush and I am HOT!!!
BITCH, Ricki loves me!
As an Irish ex-Catholic I will never feel at home in the land of the black hearted Protestant Anglo Saxon as long as you fuckers continue to "celebrate" the racist "St. Patrick's Day" as a way to continue the Drunken Mick sterotype.
Ricky only loves himself, girls.
And what about the steroids??
Oh, my sweet Jeebus, what'll we tell the children?
This one is delicious -- thank you.
Scorpio
Eccentricity
I think someone needs to ask the bishop in Sacramento when he is going to threaten to stop giving Arnold communion as he did to Gray Davis.
In 1960, Republicans insinuated that a Catholic, Democratic candidate with the initials JFK, was unfit for the Presidency because he would do the Pope's bidding as President.
In 2004, Republicans (with the aid of the buttinsky Vatican) are insinuating that a Catholic, Democratic candidate with the initials JFK, is unfit for the Presidency because he won't do the Pope's bidding as President.
We've come a long way in 44 years, haven't we?
Actually, it's worse than renalto thinks:
...Judie Brown, president of the anti-abortion American Life League, said it was perfectly reasonable for the public to expect a politician's religion to influence their voting record.
"If you are elected to public office as a Catholic, then your fellow Catholics expect you to be Catholic," she told AP.
They're not just insinuating Kerry's unfit to serve because he won't do the Pope's bidding - they're demanding adherence to religious dogma that supercedes all civic duties.
Gee, I'm a practicing Roman Catholic who receives Communion and I'm strongly against pedophilia. Yet the policies of the Catholic hierarchy don't persuade me to change my position.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a pro-Choice Catholic Politician. Thus, he shouldn't take communion in a gym.
NTodd
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Arnold is waiting for a Communion wafer in steroid flavor.
As an Irish ex-Catholic I will never feel at home in the land of the black hearted Protestant Anglo Saxon as long as you fuckers continue to "celebrate" the racist "St. Patrick's Day" as a way to continue the Drunken Mick sterotype.
As an Irish American ex-Protestant I will never feel at home as long as people around me carry their tribal hatred around on their sleeve.
Life's too short to carry hate around in your belly, especially when no one's trying to offend you, cousin.
Sorry to rain on your parade.
For those who've been around long enough to remember the 1960 campaign (I was a college freshman and an enthusiatic JFK supporter frustrated at being too young to vote) this whole 'Catholic politician must follow church doctrine' thing is incredible. Renato's point is entirely appropriate. We have regressed and the church doctrine garbage is only the tip of a very deep iceberg.
The Vatican (and the Republican party)just may insure that no Catholic ever again has a chance at the Presidency.
JFK must be rolling in his grave.
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