I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Poppers, Bitch!
Props.
Once again David Smith's e-mail address is dsmith@sbgnet.com and Sinclair's phone number is 410-568-1500 if you haven't bugged them yet.
hmm, wonder if Sinclair covered it?
thank you Sinclair Broadcast Group, for calling much more attention to "Nightline" and the Iraq war dead, than otherwise might have been paid.
I'm not going to be happy until I get photographed naked with David Smith, auto-erotic star of the media elite. And poppers. More poppers.
Amen to the attention Sinclair has brought to Nightline. My husband and I can barely stay up to 11 since having kids. But tonight we're gonna stay up and watch Nightline (we're not in a Sinclair market) and watch. Sadly we're not a Nielsen family, so it doesn't "count" anywhere but in our hearts.
Good! The stations that banned the reading are disgraceful. Imagine being afraid of the news, and of the truth.
Scorpio
Abu Ghraib
OT/ Oh god, some of these Iraqi abuse pics are even worse. Via, khalid.
Perfectblue,
That's nothing perfect about having to blow a passel of mercenary cock. Thank God, I now live in a free and democratic country. Although, the lack of poppers. . .
Apparently, ABC News has been looking for alternative broadcast sites and asked ONN if they would do it.
See:
http://www.onnnews.com/story.php...hp?
record=30070
Yay for protesting! Do it while you can!
I'm trying so hard not to get discouraged. I have kids to raise.
Since local TV stations rely on local commericals to be solvent, perhaps a fiendish pay back would be to monitor who's ads are running on the station, start a letter campaign asking for the business to change stations for their commericals, and if that fails start a boycott on the product.
Without a local source for cash flow the station will either have to rely on the corporate bankroll to meet its bills or go out of business.
regards
.
Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski -
The Military's Martha Stewart?
Awesome. Good work, guys. We will not forget those who were sent to die in Iraq. Unfortunately, we will have many more names to read in the future.
I hope people tune in to Nightline tonight and wake up to the true costs of this war. At least 138 dead American troops this month. At least 900 wounded. Over 1,361 Iraqis killed just in April and who knows how many injured? This war is a travesty. It's obscene.
- Joel
----
Nightmares For Sale - You're Damn Right I'm Angry!
Congratulations and kudos to the protesters. And thank you Sinclair for being so idiotic as to draw all the more attention to the Nightline episode than it would've received.
OT, if I may: I was brooding on the bit lie that Iraq and 9-11 are connected today, and ran across this quote:
"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category."-- Adolf Hitler
Just one of many trenchant insights collected in the book Peace Signs: The Anti-War Movement Illustrated.
Disturbing how relevant Hitler's observation is today.
Good job guys!
I am profoundly horrified about the abuse that has been exposed at Abu Ghraid Prison by our American soldiers. Sadly, I suspected it was happening both in Iraq and at Guantanamo.
There is no way to defend or dismiss this, in view of photographic evidence. Anyone who attempts to deny its horror is simply devoid of decency.
I hold the leadership in the Army, the Department of Defense, the CIA, and the Bush Administration guilty of allowing this to go on through their corrupt and abysmally poor leadership.
May their souls burn in hell. Maybe their children hold them in contempt and be profoundly ashamed of them. These are war criminals.
Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski has dealt me several savage peggings. The volume and variety of Santorum that resulted was not pretty. And to top it off (the General is also a Top), noooo poppers.
You guys and gals deserve medals. Or ribbons. 
OT/ Oh god, some of these Iraqi abuse pics are even worse. Via, khalid.
perfectblue 04.30.04 - 8:16 pm | #
This is bullshit. Obviously a porn flick mixed with the photos. Last one is from a months ago that had to do with preventing looting (not directly related to current story--how many prisions have jungle gyms?). The people in the ones towards the bottom (from the porn flick) aren't even Arabic.
When will we understand that the media is bought and sold and that they are laughing at us as we speak.
I cannot believe that there wasn't a huge protest march at Unca dickwads case before the supreme court for Scaliarosis's conflict of interest (and truth). I can't believe there wasn't a huge protest against Unca Dickwad and I am God Bush and their joint meeting with the 911 investigators.
Take any of these items and change the names to a democrat, say Clinton, and ask yourself: Would these things fly by the media and political pundants?
Answer: HELL NO!
Proof in point that the media are shills for their billionaire employers.
Out.
Cracker
We all know that the depiction of dead Americans turned the public against the Vietnam war, and that a similar backlash is what Sinclair's afraid of.
Thought I'd string together a bunch of official quotes from those dear dead days, as an example of the info Americans were being given:
"The training, transportation and logistical support we are providing in Vietnam has succeeded in turning the tide against the Vietcong."
--General Barksdale Hamlett (US. Army Vice Chief of Staff), October 10, 1962
"The spearhead of aggression has been blunted in Vietnam."
--John F. Kennedy, January 14, 1963
"Victory is in sight."
--General Paul D. Harkins, March 5, 1963
"The Vietcong is going to collapse within weeks. Not months but weeks."
--Walt Whitman Rostow (Chairman of the Policy Planning Council of the US. Department of State), July 1965
"Its silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home by Christmas."
--Ronald Reagan, October 10, 1965
"We must never forget that if the war in Vietnam is lost. . . the right of free speech will be extinguished throughout the world."
--Richard M. Nixon,, October 27, 1965
"Hold on a little longer and pretty soon we will have them on their knees at the bargaining table."
--Sen. Everett Dirksen, January 9, 1966
"The North Vietnamese cannot take the punishment anymore in the South. I think we can bring the war to a conclusion within the next year, possibly within the next six months."
--General S.L.A. Marshall, September 12, 1966
"I believe there is a light at the end of what has been a long and lonely tunnel."
--Lyndon B. Johnson, September 21, 1966
"The military picture is favorable."
--Gen. William C. Westmoreland, April 24, 1967
"We have reached an important point when the end begins to come into view."
--Gen. William C. Westmoreland, November 21, 1967
"The troops will be brought home in 18 months."
--General Harold K. Johnson, August 12, 1967
"If I'm elected we'll end this war in six months."
--Richard M. Nixon, 1968
"The enemy is about to run out of steam."
--Gen. William C. Westmoreland, February 2, 1968
"We have the enemy licked now."
--Admiral John S. McClain, February 1969
"I think we've certainly turned the corner."
--Melvin Laird (US Secretary of Defense), July 15, 1969
"The enemy is reeling from successive disasters. . . . We are, in fact. . . winning the war."
--William Buckley, December 20, 1969
"We're on our way up . . . the pendulum is beginning to swing."
--Gen. William C. Westmoreland, April 16, 1972
"Militarily and politically, Hanoi is losing."
--Richard M. Nixon, June 26, 1972
"OT/ Oh god, some of these Iraqi abuse pics are even worse. Via, khalid."
The last few pictures (the "rape" of the woman) are fakes. I forget where I read about it, but I remember that they were thoroughly debunked.
Where is the troll sheild when you need one?
US WAR CRIMES:
THE EVIDENCE FILE
WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC & DISTURBING
John Gillnitz,
A porn flick? How would you know cockmaster? No man-on-man action is depicted, since when are you looking at heteroporn? Oh, let me guess, it turns your mom on? BTW, has she any poppers?
Stahl was just on Matthews saying Kerry looked like a buffoon when he got angry yesterday over his war recrord and that he looked "unpresidential" she claims he just scared voters away....
first off you want "scary" listen to a GW press conference and tell me about scared...
then..second
the next thing that came to my mind was does it count when GW goes off on a reporter who asks him a question he doesn't like ?
Is Stahl a neo con ? I know nothing about her...
mac and Gillnitz:
yes, that site is very odd. What is behind that mixture of images? Is it an attempt to discredit the real ones or something?
Perplexing.
It is time for a major revolt and change of priorities.
watch out you slimy republican liars who mask yourselves in false religion.
Just as W believes: the wrath will come.
The only problem is that you loser liers and thiefs who preach false hope and Christianity are doomed to hell with the likes of your favorite reason to kill: saddam.
Have fun!!!
Cracker
OT/ Oh god, some of these Iraqi abuse pics are even worse. Via, khalid.
perfectblue | Email | Homepage | 04.30.04 - 8:16 pm |
Those are the CBS images intermixed with vidcaps of some porn movie, you moron.
Look at the camo pattern of the uniforms and the pale complexion of the woman.
Isn't it a sure sign of Bush era corporate totalitarianism that we've got to speak up for Ted K's right to read the names of America's war dead on the air? America's war dead, for the love of Mike. In the same country where you've got to make sure your supper's digested before you watch the nightly news because you'll be subjected to four to six Viagra commercials (isn't that new one with the triumphant men even worse than the one with ol' number six?). The names of America's war dead and Janet Jackson's breast, the two things you can't show on TV without the Republican media blowing a gasket.
I hear that Rush was foaming on about how if they were patriotic at Night Line they'd read the names of the living men and women serving in Iraq. Here's an idea, the fat druggie';s got, what fifteen hours a week. How about everyone tell Pharma Fats to read them on his own program, it's his own idea, who's going to stop him?
They're perfecting capitalist-stalinism in the good old U.S.A.
Is Stahl a neo con ? I know nothing about her...
Anonymous
Only thing neo about Leslie is her hair color.
Is Stahl a neo con ? I know nothing about her...
No, she's just another whore. Although oddly enough, she did apologize the other day for her role in boosting the Iraq invasion.
Ultimately, these people are paid to have opinions, and to spout them on request. Demand for instant analysis + lazy, self-satisfied, out-of-touch reporters = bad journalism regardless of political persuasion.
OT: "It's not enough to keep Chalabi out of the interim government. The UN must dismantle Chalabi's shadow state by launching a de-Chalabification process on a par with the now abandoned de-Baathification process."
http://www.commondreams.org/view...s04/0430-
14.htm
De-Chalabification. I like that.
EPT:
Re Limbaugh: His idea is great, I think. And while he's at it, he should relate what extended service abroad is doing to the lives of reservists and national guards, as they lose their homes and businesses to fight this inane war.
And your phrase "capitalist-stalinism" recalls the term Mussolini applied to the union of corporate and state power: fascism.
Slightly off topic, but I think the following has some bearing vis a vis media and attempts by some to hinder the free flow of information:
Surreal moment at work today at the chain bookstore. An agitated middle-aged woman calls in looking to speak with a manager. Manager fields the call — one which lasts a quarter of an hour. The nature of the agitated middle-aged woman’s call? Apparently, the woman had recently visited the store and noted that we were displaying the current #1 best-selling non-fiction book in our front entrance, as well as last week’s #1 best-selling non-fiction book and one of last year’s best-selling non-fiction books just recently released in paperback, the latter pair of titles each on side tables amidst dozens of other titles. The offending books respectively: “Plan of Attack” (suggested reading on the WH website), “Against All Enemies” and Hillary Clinton’s autobiography.
For fifteen minutes, the manager skillfully and patiently hears the woman out — 3-4 minutes during which she is doing nothing but screaming and ranting. Not figuratively, but literally….and then, all about the obvious political bias either our store in particular or the chain in general is exhibiting. The manager, a consummate and unflappable guy, weathers the storm on the other end of the receiver pacing the store floor, ducking into more remote aisles with his cell phone whenever the caller’s rising and falling pique brims over. It’s only at the tail end of their conversation, after he points out both Karen Hughe’s current book (prominently featured last week in the spot now home to Woodward’s book) is displayed in the front entrance, as well as one by/on Nancy Reagan and Sean Hannity, does she finally begin to calm down and begin winding up her exercise in wingnut victimization.
In the aftermath of the call, I was struck at just how much the silly episode confirmed the tired, sad…but ever true…notion that people are pre-dispositioned to see only what they would like to see. Never mind the whole issue of the business of free commerce and the marketplace, which the slavish unwinking devotees of Republicanism have committed to as a mantra. A certain element of the population simply can’t deal with any criticism of the current administration.
In the aftermath of this surreal episode, the staff began sharing related stories of their own. One older, more reluctant employee shared how a customer — who seeing the stack of Woodward’s book — asked her dismissively if we were not in fact Democratic party headquarters. Another employee recounted an in-store reading with Kevin Philllips where a despondent, frantic elderly woman began sobbing and wandering about the store, beseeching any member of the staff as to why we were letting “that man” (e.g., Phillips) say all “those evil lies” about Bush and his family.
May you live in interesting times…..indeed.
Way to go Ohio!
EEK, was that a rerun?
Rorschach:
Is it an attempt to discredit the real ones or something?
Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. I've seen it done with photos from Palestine...a couple disturbing real ones get out, and suddenly the Internet is saturated with poorly done phonies. It's a pretty logical strategy, really...
Oh, this story cheered me right up - thanks Atrios. By golly, America is alive and well after all.
Thank you protesters!
Dear Ted Koppel-
if you had told the truth in 2002, that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, if you had reported on all the doubts about the supposed existence of Weapons on Mass Destruction, you might not have to do such a sad broadcast.
love
56k
Wilson interview on dateline right now
Phony atrocity pics not only cast doubt on the originals, but any lefty who falls for the fakes and passes them on can be discredited and raked over the coals.
Typical thuggishness.
Excellent collection of quotes, Philalethes. So you have more specific sites?
Curiouser & Curiouser
Fox Carolina just announced that they will
be carrying "The Fallen" in it's entirety beginning at 11:30 this
evening.
Dear GOP operative,
If you do not want to see the names and faces of fallen American soldiers, then please do not watch Nightline.
If you do not want to see the bodies of fallen American soldiers returning at Dover AFB, then do not look at the photo's on the internet.
If you do not want to see bodies being removed from the WTC after 9/11, then do not watch GW Bush's campaign ads.
-- Librul Patriot.
Philalethes:
That's what I thought too, but these are so very poorly done that I wound up just being confused by the whole repugnant montage.
But, evil is not always skillful, as we all well know...
The last few pictures (the "rape" of the woman) are fakes. I forget where I read about it, but I remember that they were thoroughly debunked.
Thanks. Honestly, I couldn't tell the difference.
Whoever put the fucking fakes interspersed with the real photos is a complete jackass.
The real story is bad enough without diminishing it with a bunch of made up bullshit.
There, I've sworn enough.
Phony atrocity pics not only cast doubt on the originals, but any lefty who falls for the fakes and passes them on can be discredited and raked over the coals.
Oh, the freepers are going to be out in full force tonight.
I can only repeat Seantoe McCain's word:
unpatriotic
Excellent collection of quotes, Philalethes.
Thanks! While doing it I kept thinking of a quote from "Spinal Tap": There's too much fucking perspective.
All those quotes are from an absolutely wonderful book called "The Experts Speak," by Christopher Cerf and Victor Navasky.
Here's a quote that always cheers me up: "All indications are that Bush is unbeatable."--Christian Science Monitor 8/13/91
That's Senator McCain!!
Librul Patriot,
Beautiful man. Well said.
Hate to be repetitive, but apparently not that much. The talk of salient quotes makes me want to repost this:
I was brooding on the bit lie that Iraq and 9-11 are connected today, and ran across this quote:
"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category."-- Adolf Hitler
Just one of many trenchant insights collected in the book Peace Signs: The Anti-War Movement Illustrated.
Disturbing how relevant Hitler's observation is today.
George H.W.Bush Joe Wilson is a national hero.He rescued the human sheilds saddam had at the start of the first war.
Bush breached national security.
Good grief!
This activity protects all Americans from censorship!
BRAVO!
www.removebush.com
Yeah,,,it was a re-run. Sorry, but I just thought I had to get it out again. I posted it on a Repug site and their response was hilarious. Total denial as to the incident described. Taking a page out of BushCo, they responded by saying my story was untrue, the story was pointless as it came from an underpaid employee, etc. Just priceless reactions.
OK, now that I've gotten in out of the rain and I'm enjoying the glow of victory here with the ONN broadcast of Nightline, here's the next move. If you're in Ohio, near Ohio, can get to Ohio, or can find Ohio on a friggin map- take a couple of days off and come help get people registered to VOTE here in November. This state is hanging on by a thread in the Republican column, and the state democratic party has been spinning in place for so long they can't do much to help Kerry. My new goal, now that I've helped humiliate the local hack media outlet- get 100 people registered and to the polls. That's what's going to matter in the end here. Getting Ohio back into the WIN column for the democrats.
Oh, the freepers are going to be out in full force tonight.
And tomorrow, and the next day...they're going to be very busy the next few weeks! I'm worried that all their furious spinning could perturb earth's orbit, and send us headlong into the sun.
Thank-you!
ISS--
What the hell is wrong with you?
Philalethes, they're winding down.
Just like a spinning top.
Rorschach:
That Hitler quote...isn't it odd how he considers lies, dangerous oversimplification, partisan viciousness, and inculcating prejudice to be an expression of "genius"?
Anyone else reminded of Karl Rove?
The right-wing rhetoric that really sounds Hitlerian--but is rarely pegged as such--is all their stuff about "degenerate art." Some of Helms' comments about the NEA were straight out of "Mein Kampf."
ISS, what is this word *medicien*?
And it's you're, not your.
Stupid troll.
Dear Ted Koppel-
if you had told the truth in 2002, that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, if you had reported on all the doubts about the supposed existence of Weapons on Mass Destruction, you might not have to do such a sad broadcast.
love
56k
56k | Email | Homepage | 04.30.04 - 9:03 pm | #
This might be in the category of truest word on the topic, there has been so much volume on this topic and much of it simply ludicrous.
Like the Sinclair people claiming that simply telling the truth is a political act, if it is, doofuses, we already have prollems.
Second of all, is somehow thinking there is something preferable to being pro-war as opposed to not wanting war unless it is absolutely unavoidable.
Third of all, could be the most laughable suggestion, which becomes relevant in context of 56K’s post, that somehow Ted Koppel is anti-war when most of his programs seem to not just have been urging war with word and gesture but urging continuation of the occupation with word and gesture.
So what Sinclair was trying to achieve by its suppression of the broadcast is not known.
Basically the dude Koppel made his own editorial decisions about the kind of topic he wanted to air and Sinclair made its editorial decision which was suppression of truth.
Better would have been to let people take their own decisions about their own choices and make up their own minds.
That being said, I am making my own decision and prolly am not going to watch, first because I rarely watch Nightline and second, because I don’t want to watch the program as it has been described.
Sinclair and ABC should give all viewers the choice of making their own decisions about this.
.....
so the female ones are fakes?
i know stupidity, but dont watch porn...
Just like a spinning top.
I hope so. It's hard to imagine what it must be like inside theiir heads...the stress must be incredible. Wasn't there just a study showing that right-wingers had three times more nightmares than liberals?
The way Rove & Co are getting these people wound up, I seriously wonder whether some of them will end up institutionalized when Bush goes down. Lucky for them Kerry will probably fund mental-health programs...
The "jungle gym" ones could very well be real. You are forgetting that we take over and use what buildings we can; why not get a person naked if you want to make sure he has no bombs strapped to him (not procedure but also not illogical), why not use a former school as a building, in fact they could've just found the guys at the school. But the iconic standard boring old hardcore poses, the same ones that show up in every hardcore movie in the same order, are obviously fake for more reasons than just "complexion" (a bad idea-some Iraqis can be quite white).
It is depressing that someone apparently on the side of morality would decide to do this freeping lgfish Misha-worthy ratfuck trick, which certainly would seem logical only to a rightist trying to discredit the whole thing. We can hear Koppel now: "well, you know, some of the pictures are fake. Do you expect Mr & Mrs America to sort through evidence? Next: stuffed animal distribution and the winning of Iraqi hearts!"
Phila--
Yes, the hatred of "decadence" is a common thread between the religious right and the fascists of mid-20th century that is often overlooked. Sontag (I think) has done a good bit of work on this, talking about the fascist aesthetic that glorifies the hard and manly body and abhors anything that looks beneath such hermetic surfaces.
And the Hitler quote is just chilling, to me. He was speaking of capitalists and communists, I imagine, or perhaps Jews and either of the above. But now, it is secular Arabs in Iraq and radical fundamentalists such as al Qaeda. And all most Americans can see is brown skin...
About these fake pictures, while I still think the main goal is to discredit the real ones, or make them harder to find online, the sad part is there are probably a LOT of people in this world who felt sexually aroused by the actual story. You can be sure that all over the world, pornographers are feverishly adding Iraq torture electrocute genitals pyramid towelhead to the invisible keywords on their sites.
This Hitler comparison reminds me a an old video series, The World at War. One in the series, Germany 1933-1939 has numerous chilling comparisons, right down to the language Hitler used, Bush seems to have lifted it directly from Hitler. "if the jews cause another war.....if war is forced upon us. We shall never falter....the likenesses are really spooky. If any of you can access this video do so and you'll see what I mean.
hmm, this whole thing is a pattern that would be good for any group protesting the renewal of the groups station licenses.
Someone at ONN enjoyed writing the news piece announcing that they were going to carry the broadcast.
Friday, ABC contacted the Ohio News Network and asked ONN to air the program. ONN decided to air the program and give viewers the choice.
Ouch.
ONN also lets you know, in a subtle way, what they think of Sinclair's idiotic claim that it is improper to read the names:
Sixteen soldiers from Ohio will be honored in the program.
That's some damn fine writin'.
Regarding the fake pictures (and they are fake), the web page appears to be hosted on what is supposedly an Arabic page denouncing the overall War. Can anyone who remembers where that domain ownership thingy is and run it through and see who owns it and when it was registered?
Hurrah! Chalk one up for the good guys! 
I havent been able to find the post where someone is claiming,some of the torture pics are faked.Is this the claim?
It doesnt matter anymore if any were faked.The arab world is incensed,they will not stand for this treatment.They will not believe that any of the pics are faked.The cat is out of the bag.If the freepers are trying to pull one on someone they should have gotten to CBS before they ran the story.
Im actually happy to read that the photos of the woman being raped are fakes. It was horrifying to see a person being abused so badly and now that it seems it is just some staged shots, its something to be thankful for in this george w. bush helltown.
Rorshach:
Sontag (I think) has done a good bit of work on this, talking about the fascist aesthetic that glorifies the hard and manly body and abhors anything that looks beneath such hermetic surfaces.
Yeah, that's Sontag. But hey, did you see this amazing NYT article a couple of years ago, on how fascist design principles were back in vogue, for everything from clothes to cars to toasters? The subject itself was bloodcurdling enough, but the article itself was weirdly breathless and overwrought. I used to think about it a lot while I was driving along the Hudson, and these enormous jet-black Westchester-bound SUVs would bear down on my poor little Saturn...
A - O
Way to Go
O H I O
Phila-- Yes, I did see that, and it is all too true, I am afraid. Once someone points it out, it's hard not to see it just about everywhere you look...even if you don't watch football...
Just got home from the demo in Columbus, part of our 50 mile drive through horrendous rush-hour traffic. Ah, well. Just as we pulled in the drive we heard on the radio what WSYX will air tonight in place of Nightline: Sinclair will present a more detailed explanation of its decision followed by a program on the war. The WSYX news director(maybe assistant director, I didn't quite catch it) was interviewed on the radio and said he hadn't reviewed the whole WSYX program but it looked "pretty balanced." Oh, and he also said that WSYX shows those right-wing screed editorials by Sinclair's Mark Hyman by choice, because it wants to be "provocative." Really? How about ignoring Sinclair's order to censor Ted Koppel. That could provoke a reaction or two . . .
Wow...maybe things ARE changing.
May 10, 2004 issue
Copyright © 2004 The American Conservative
The Best of Bad Choices
Given the Iraq War’s mounting costs and impossible goals, America should transfer sovereignty and come home.
By Christopher Layne
The administration’s Iraq policy is in shambles. Iraq has become a geopolitical humpty-dumpty that America cannot put back together, and the time has come for the United States to withdraw.
Read the rest of the article at:
http://amconmag.com/2004_05_10/c...5_10/
cover.html
at first would doubt cia plant (cf cointelpro essentially doing exactly what some trolls do, with cartoons and essays, announcing that "so-and-so is not a real leftist"), because all of the pics seen other than the obvious porno ones were real, because there seems to be a lot of inflamatory stuff. can't read arabic. don't blitzkriegers cut comm lines? Their "contact" address is albasrah2003@yahoo.com. Would the address stay up if it were gotten right in time for the invasion, or before or after? How are they connected now? Why aren't any coalition pacifiers cracking down like they did with the paper? Where did they get the technical (training-wise and hardware and software) wherewithal to do a site with animation, sound files, etc? And what the-they have spanish and japanese versions? what the hell kind of freak riverbend mutant is this?!
"how fascist design principles were back in vogue, for everything from clothes to cars to toasters? The subject itself was bloodcurdling enough, but the article itself was weirdly breathless and overwrought. "
Long ago that kind of article wouldn't have surprised me in Time magazine, these days it isn't surprising that it's in the NYT.
Wasn't the flutter of a minor fashion for the D'Annunzio a while back? During the 70s and 80s sort of disturbing. Not that it went very deep but with him you don't have to go much beneath the surface to see the fascist rot.
The 80s was the decade of fascist chic. Especially in the movies. It might have started with Star Wars. The beginning of the end of adult movies. The decade of really creepy leading men too.
Not surprising that they're trying it under Bush II again.
By the way, did anybody else see the "memo" unearthed by the Village Voice?
The Sinclair Broadcast Group announced on Thursday that it will censor the April 30 edition of Nightline, in which Ted Koppel plans to read aloud the names of U.S. servicemen and women killed in Iraq. We think Nightline's ratings stunt is the moral equivalent of terrorism. As we will elaborate in this weaselly and unsigned statement, our decision to snuff out Nightline is a patriotic gesture aimed to tranquilize taxpayers and prevent them from recognizing the boondoggle in Iraq. As Sinclair CEO and president David Smith likes to remind us, serving the public interest is not in our self-interest.
No organization holds our media industry and the executives who use it to line their pockets in higher regard than Sinclair Broadcast Group. While Sinclair would support a mendacious effort to cover up the alarming number of Americans who have died in Iraq, Mr. Koppel is using simple, indisputable facts—names and photos of the dead, no less—to dramatize the war and give viewers a chance to judge its consequences. However, an informed citizenry is anathema to the corporate state, and we suspect that many of those currently working toward this goal have financial connections to Al Qaeda. Dick Cheney informs us that we are not alone in this viewpoint. As a result, we have decided to preempt the broadcast of Nightline this Friday on each of our ABC affiliates.
That's the thing that creeps me out the most...the idea that what's going on now in America comes from this increasing psychosexual lust for domination and power, and that the GOP is harnessing something that's already there...something equal parts sadism and death wish. I'm sure that most people here, like me, have been face to face with Freepers, and have noticed that there's a REALLY crazy look in their eyes...way worse than anything I saw going up against their forebears in the Reagan era. This is a boil that badly needs lancing...and companies like Sinclair that are trying to fans the flames higher need to be stopped before they swallow up anny more stations. I can't BELIEVE that I only heard about these creeps this week...many thanks to Atrios!
You liberals are biased, and spin to no end. YOu are hateful and hate America and God, we will get you and take our country back.
>Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski -
>The Military's Martha Stewart?
No, she's their Nurse Ratched.
just some staged shots
Just? The vile sadists probably sent the prints to her family.
EPT:
Wasn't the flutter of a minor fashion for the D'Annunzio a while back?
Still is, in certain underground circles. But it'll never amount to much. Perhaps the only benefit of America's dumbing-down is that no one's going to read anything as fucking turgid as D'Annunzio.
I think G.K. Chesterton nailed all these guys to the wall: "To preach egotism is to practice altruism." In other words, if life's an unending struggle and it's every man for himself, why would you work so hard to arm your opponents with that knowledge?
A N--
felixd@fubar:/rdisk$ whois -H albasrah.net
Whois Server Version 1.3
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with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
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Name Server: NS1.CONEXIT.NL
Name Server: NS2.CONEXIT.NL
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 15-oct-2003
Creation Date: 14-oct-2002
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>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:24:49 EDT
Phila--
Have you read The War Lover by John Hersey? It is deeply cynical about the fundamental human need for the whole sex/death release in a way that is all too resonant these days.
And this whole Sinclair hullaballoo (or is it a foofarah?) had better serve as a reminder that we have to continue to fight media consolidation (i.e. monopoly), for the sake of our democracy.
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bugger. Here's the rest of my above post:
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EEK-- My husband had a man come into his bookstore looking for the Sean Hannity book and when they didn't have it he went ballistic and had to be removed by the police.
(used bookstore so the stock is is limited to what is brought in, and they would have bought it if it had shown up (even though, yes, this town has a decidedly liberal tilt and the bookstore even more so, but if it sells, they buy it))
He yelled (on his way out) that he's a regular caller to Hannity's show and in the morning there would be 1000 protesters surrounding the store.
Of course the next day, there weren't.
A couple of people commented about Leslie Stahl of 60 Minutes earlier. Here is an interesting exchange from an interview aired in Dec'03 regarding the capture of Saddam:
Lesley Stahl: Let me raise the whole question, for lack of a better
term, torture. Let's say he's not forthcoming. Would we deprive him of sleep, make it very cold where he is, or very hot? Are there any restrictions on the way we treat him to get him to cooperate more than he has been?
Secretary Rumsfeld: You know, to even raise the word torture in terms of how the United States military would treat this person seems to me is a unfortunate. We don't torture people and here's a man who has tortured to
death tens of thousands of people, conducted rape and brutality the likes of which would be difficult to find a more vicious and brutal dictator in our adult lifetimes. And I just told you he would be treated according to the Geneva Conventions and to suggest that any one would be engaged in torture or conduct inconsistentent with the Geneva Convention seems to me isn't on
the mark at all.
Lesley Stahl: Sleep deprivation, that kind of thing. You're ruling it completely out, is that what you're telling us?
Secretary Rumsfeld: I'm not telling you anything other than I have just told you. He'll be treated according to the Geneva Convention and given
the protections of a prisoner of war.
Very interesting. At the time I was really disgusted with Stahl. It almost seemed like she was begging Rumsfeld to torture Saddam.
Now I am wondering just how long 60 minutes buried their knowledge of torture in Iraqi prisons that pre-dated this interview.
WE LOVE YOU, JB! You're a true American hero, who won't turn his back on the troops once they get killed just to make George W. Bush look good.
WE HATE YOU, DAVID SMITH! Go pay a woman to suck on your dirty [CENSORED] like you did before, you hateful unpatriotic piece of [CENSORED].
This is obsessing us. Why would anyone on the left splice obvious undeniable canonical hardcore vidcaps with real proof of this evil called "liberation"?
You have to understand that porn is everywhere in that place, but there are still large numbers of "unexposed" people. Ted Rall noticed also in Afghanistan VCDs with laughable titles. So maybe it really is Iraqi, and they used the pornographic stuff because only the "unexposed" would not recognize instantly the positions and the shot framing and so on. So devout fighters will look for something to get them mad at Americans and find it, if not from the CBS stuff than from the painfully different stuff (which they will accept as real, they're the only ones ignorant enough to). It seems pretty unlikely it was a freeper (all that arabic), even perfectblue's observation was valid for most of the awful (and real) pics on the site. It still seems weird though, that they would fake stuff since they had so much legitimate material...
Can anyone who remembers where that domain ownership thingy is and run it through and see who owns it and when it was registered?
America's Nemesis | Email | Homepage | 04.30.04 - 9:38 pm | #
When I tried whois it said it was blocked due to "abuse." Guess everyone was trying to figure out who those freaky fucks were. They aren't on our side, I can tell you that.
Check it out. Congress.org has started their "Pledge your vote" web site to see how people would vote if the Presidential election was held today.
The whole damn counrty is for Kerry except for a few backwards southern states.
Go vote!
Pledge your vote
The "jungle gym" ones could very well be real.
kei & yuri 04.30.04 - 9:29 pm | #
The last one is. Back when looters were going nuts some army guys caught three of them and made them run home naked as an example.
What I don't understand about the real ones is the context. What the fuck were those people thinking?
Hey Kids! Just remember today when Sinclair tries to renew their licenses broadcasts. Give 'em hell.
That actually was to our advantage, since the station's call letters were clearly visible as a result.
Quote of Reader
---I read this and middle America reads this. Your cynicism is disappointing. Nuff said.
50 people!! Well that REALLY made a statement. The local press probably didn't even carry the story. These losers are on the wrong side of history--AGAIN!!
As the proud spouse of a Dutchwoman, I have to say that the ".nl" and Netherlands contact address for the website is pretty much proof that it's a porn outfit. Especially because it's in Lelystad.
Wow. Suddenly, two troll postings within one minute of each other! What are the odds?
After seeing all the stuff thats gone on recently and the almost surreal press coverage of everything from Q & A's at press conferences, the secrecy, Scotty, Iraq, and couple that with the hate and complete polarization of both sides of the political aisle along with the venom that comes from the media towards the left and now the left fighting back...does anyone get the feeling the upcoming conventions and elections are going to be like the 60's again ? Only far worse...I will say this now, I think this will be the most important election in everyone of our lives....our country will change dramatically one way or another,,,and
I will admit I voted "against" gore and am scared because I think the outcome can be controlled...and yes, feel I was wrong now for doing it...
Arnold, where are you getting the Dutch thing from? Was that somewhere on the albasrah site info? Is there some process of tracing it?
"These losers are on the wrong side of history."
No, the people on the wrong side of history are the ones that launch invasions of other countries for bogus reasons.
Always have been.
Always will be.
would be difficult to find a more vicious and brutal dictator in our adult lifetimes
Considering Rumsfeld's age, I don't think it would be all that difficult at all. He's in his seventies, right? So his adult lifetime goes back to roughly the early to mid-fifties. So Stalin (who died in 1953) might qualify, even though most of his atrocities were behind him by the time Rummy hit adulthood. But there are others since then, some of whom managed without tangible US support (unlike Saddam). Let's see . . . Pol Pot . . . Idi Amin . . . Islam Karimov is an up-and-comer (and part of the Coalition of the Willing) who's not in Saddam's league yet but is off to a promising start with his technique of boiling dissenters) . . . Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il . . . Saddam's old adversary Khomeini wasn't so pleasant, and neither was the Shah . . . Ceaucescu.
Saddam was horrendous. No question about it. But the idea that this administration gives a damn about human rights when it comes to selecting allies and enemies is laughable.
Saddam was horrendous
50 people!! Well that REALLY made a statement. The local press probably didn't even carry the story. These losers are on the wrong side of history--AGAIN!!
BuckeyeBill | Email | Homepage | 04.30.04 - 10:26 pm | #
-- yeah, losers. They did however cover the ten thousand people who showed up to protest the biased unavailability of Hannity's book in Yellow Springs.
Arnold, where are you getting the Dutch thing from? Was that somewhere on the albasrah site info? Is there some process of tracing it?
A little further up the thread, someone posted the information on who was the registered owner of the domain, and the owner had a Dutch mailing address and a .nl server.
You liberals are biased, and spin to no end. YOu are hateful and hate America and God, we will get you and take our country back.
MBF
MBF, I suggest you go re-read the part of your bible about feeding your enemies and showing them compassion.
I think you reveal more about your own loathing than about anyone here.
The country isn't just yours. Learn to share with others. Learn to accept other opinions even if you do not agree. That will serve you well in life.
That makes so much sense, because like Kovacs asked, how the hell would some cowering resident-refugee in Basrah maintain a website like that?
"They did however cover the ten thousand people who showed up to protest the biased unavailability of Hannity's book in Yellow Springs."
Aw, that's NOTHING! Some right-wing Bush-supporting peice of shit wiped a fucking BOOGER on one of the pages of my Al Franklin book.
Plus, I couldn't find a copy of "Against All Enemies" at my local Sam's Club. Did I cry like a fucking pussy and wipe boogers like a Bush-suppoerting piece of shit? Naw, I just went to Amazon and BOUGHT TWO FUCKING COPIES, BITCH!
The Chimp is going down and this country will be saved.
Deal with it.
johnx--
MBF is a parody of the right wingers who troll here from time to time.
Sad how hard it is to tell the difference between over the top mockery and what the right actually says...
fuckin A excellent!!!
The main outcome from this is that nobody knew the name of Sinclair when it started and now they are synonymous with Attila the Hun.
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Minnie-- and that few would have even known of the Nightline episode, much less tuned in. But Sinclair changed that!
I'll concur with all the folks upthread who pointed out how much publicity Sinclair has guaranteed for the Nightline broadcast.
Maybe that's how we should be approaching Sinclair when we call them: "I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of DECENT AMERICANS thanking you for what you did with Nightline! I never would've heard of that if it weren't for you! And now everyone can see what George W. Bush and the GOP stand for: supporting our troops when it's politically expedient, then trying to sweep them under the rug when they their deaths in an illegal war hurt Bush's election chances! THANK YOU!"
Main thing is people want pressure to be exerted on Bush to keep his handover promise, even though nobody is fooled that that is the end of our responsibility and we all know that Bushie still has a lot of scrambling ahead of him and people want him to keep scrambling to get the consensus of the Iraqi people and of the region and of the Un on board.
.....
"I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of DECENT AMERICANS thanking you for what you did with Nightline! I never would've heard of that if it weren't for you! And now everyone can see what George W. Bush and the GOP stand for: supporting our troops when it's politically expedient, then trying to sweep them under the rug when they their deaths in an illegal war hurt Bush's election chances! THANK YOU!"
Perfect, Scoot. Fucking perfect. Throw it right back in their filthy faces.
Minnie--
The "handover" is already pretty much an open joke:
Powell said some might question how sovereign Iraq will be on July 1 if U.S.-led foreign troops remain in the country.
"Because a large military presence will still be required under U.S. command, some would say 'Well you are not giving full sovereignty'. But we are giving sovereignty so that sovereignty can be used to say, 'We invite you to remain'. That is a sovereign decision," Powell said.
Minnie--
The "handover" is already pretty much an open joke:
Powell said some might question how sovereign Iraq will be on July 1 if U.S.-led foreign troops remain in the country.
"Because a large military presence will still be required under U.S. command, some would say 'Well you are not giving full sovereignty'. But we are giving sovereignty so that sovereignty can be used to say, 'We invite you to remain'. That is a sovereign decision," Powell said.
Minnie-- and that few would have even known of the Nightline episode, much less tuned in. But Sinclair changed that!
rorschach | Email | Homepage | 04.30.04 - 10:55 pm | #
rorshach, true we all heard about it and true we figured out there is an Attila the Hun network that believes in fact suppression as part of its working philosophy, whether it makes more people watch, I really have my doubts.
Those who are aware of the situation don’t need the Ted Koppel show to remind them and those who are unaware are hardly likely to turn to Ted Koppel in search of awareness.
Main thing is that Sinclair totally undermined their own creds, if they suppress this in the name of political correctness, then what else will they support suppressing, that is the main question.
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Rorshach, true, the handover is hardly likely to be seen as a panacea, however, Bush is now in a box, he has bungled and bamboozled so much, he is duty bound to go through with the handover, provide more information about these Iraqi people who will be exerting the power and he will be under pressure in the weeks ahead to demonstrate exactly how much is being handed over, how much autonomy is being established and how the place is progressing.
Plus, the looming election will be concentrating his focus in a most wondrous way.
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Bush has no intention of handing anything over and the repercussions will be severe:
US Secretary of State Colin Powell's recent remarks that the coming Iraqi government would not take the full sovereignty have destroyed the hopes of Iraqis, observers here said.
Frankly and publicly, Powell last Monday announced that the coming interim government after power transfer by the end of June would have to give up some of the sovereignty to let the US-led coalition forces freely move in the country.
These declarations disappointed Iraqis, especially those who support the Americans and who want the ending of the occupation in June 30 and return of full sovereignty to the country.
According to Powell, the American plan for the coming Iraqi government also includes that the Iraqi army would be under the command of the Americans.
Iraqis wonder now what kind of a state with sovereignty that Washington is giving them after the power transfer in June 30 if the government does not have the right to legislate laws, does not control its army, and Washington chooses its leadership and government.
The declarations consolidates the situations of extremists in both Shiites and Sunnis, who think that the US does not intend to withdraw its troops from Iraq, and that's why the people should fight to throw them out and regain its sovereignty.
And the plans for the 'biggest embassy in the world', an imperial fortress from which to spread 'peace and freedom' across the middle-east, 3000 employees, a command-and-control nerve center...
US Secretary of State Colin Powell's recent remarks that the coming Iraqi government would not take the full sovereignty have destroyed the hopes of Iraqis, observers here said.
Well, there we have it. Game over.
Everyone should take a look at this CBS News column by Dick Meyer on the Chickenhawks....(see my url)
Here's a clip:
What kind of absurd political twilight zone is it where George Bush and Dick Cheney can make John Kerry look like an unpatriotic chicken by focusing attention on his combat duty in Vietnam?
It's a doublethink world of issues-ephemera, spin, and manipulated perceptions that Bush's technicians have mastered and that we the media and we the people aid and abet: Campaign 2004, a truth odyssey.
What is the word that has more gall than gall? Nerve? Cheek, chutzpah conceit, arrogance, condescension? You name it -- the squadron of chickenhawks that steers both the campaign and government of President Bush's have pots of it. Where do these people come off impugning John Kerry's Vietnam era guts and patriotism? John McCain, Colin Powell, Tom Ridge or Chuck Hagel might have some moral standing, but not these chickenhawks.
He then quotes General Sherman who said
"It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry for blood, more vengeance, more desolation."
Amazing. Truly amazing.
My feeling on the fake photos (although I haven't seen them) is that they were probably the work of a bored college student somewhere, rather than someone with a specific political agenda. Nonetheless, I hope the proliferation stops... Juan Cole has a post up referencing them as though they are legit and I'm sure plenty of other people do as well.
Juan Cole has a post up referencing them as though they are legit and I'm sure plenty of other people do as well.
Buskertype | Email | Homepage | 04.30.04 - 11:22 pm | #
I mailed him 20 min ago.
I think this will be the most important election in everyone of our lives....
I've been saying this to all my friends for a while now.Thanks for putting it into print.I had'nt thought to do it.
This election IS the most important in the History of the country,maybe even the world. We face a nexus in history. It is a point in time where events will be determined at a small point in history. We do live in intresting times,I only wish they were'nt as intresting.
Congratulations to the good folk in O-H-I-O.
Speaking of protests: NYC Denies Permit for Huge Anti-War Rally During GOP Convention.
Nexus. Truly indeed. It's as if I, who is a big history buff, was sent back to all the similar periods in our human history and see it as if a movie is playing before me. I can witness it, I know how it ends if a certain path is chosen and yet I'm unable to change it at all. I can only watch and see what happens. I know how it MAY happen. I only hope and pary that it does not.
Amazing time we live in. And dang it, of all the 75 year spans of time I could have been born in between 0 and 2004 it had to be when the Rapture would possibly happen. Stupid evangelicals.
Darn the luck.
OT: Punched, kicked, then left to die
The British Army was at the centre of new torture allegations last night after pictures showed an Iraqi prisoner being battered with rifle butts, threatened with execution and urinated on by British soldiers.
The shocking images drew immediate condemnation from the prime minister and led the Ministry of Defence to launch an investigation.
The prisoner - thought to have been a thief - had his jaw broken and his teeth smashed during an eight-hour ordeal after being arrested near the southern Iraqi city of Basra.
Bleeding and vomiting, he was eventually driven away from the army camp, still hooded, and thrown off the back of a moving vehicle. He was not charged with an offence and it is not known whether he lived or died.
The photographs were given to the Mirror newspaper by soldiers who said the horrific treatment of prisoners was widespread and was one of the main reasons why coalition forces faced such fierce opposition in Iraq.
One told the newspaper: "We are not helping ourselves out there. We are never going to get them on our side. We are fighting a losing war."
(more)
Been out of town all day. Just wanted to add my two cents.
The soldiers were charged quite a while ago meaning Bush knew also quite a while ago. Today he expressed outrage. Why didn't he do that when he first found out? It appears he is outraged only that the story got out. Probably thought it was inauguration of a new "Skull and Bones" chapter in our newest client state.
From the Globe and Mail
Six U.S. soldiers facing courts-martial in connection with mistreatment of detainees at an Iraqi prison did not receive in-depth training on the Geneva Conventions, which govern the handling of captives, a military spokeswoman said Friday.
Like there was no internal moral compass to tell them this was wrong?
Blair needs to resign. NOW.
I'm sort of confused too. They HAD to know that taking these pictures would EVENTUALLY get out. This type of stuff took place during Vietnam too. But they HAD to know it would get out. Given the "white Christian "brown" Muslim" conflict georgie boy has gotten us into. Even if it' not really happening that way, it's at least appearing that way to the 2 billion Muslims who think it is.
THAT my friends is why I think that someone KNEW these would get out, cause outrage and FURTHER hurt the entire situation either by design or by accident.
What were they thinking EVEN IF they were "fake" pics by drunk college kids. Imagine them getting out EVEN IF they never "really happened."
wasn't it David Brooks who wrote late last year, "We must have the courage to commit atrocities"?
Happy now, David? Atrocities are being committed.
Tell me again how the Iraqis are better off than they were under Saddam?
Are they better off because they are being brutalized by Jesus-fearing Americans and Britons, rather than heathen Muslims?
And if you don't treat the captured soldiers of the enemy with respect, what do you think will happen to our troops that are captured?
Columbus update: I'll have a more thorough report on our protest in Columbus later (along with pictures!). Unfortunately, I'm swamped at the moment getting ready for my 4-year old's birthday party tomorrow...
But here are some of the highlights:
* We had stupendous coverage. I think every television station was there, including the ABC affiliate. I believe we led all of the local newscasts.
* I was interviewed by many reporters today, including one from Gannett. The Washington Post had a photographer there; I don't know when John Harris' latest snapshot of politics through the lens of Ohio will see print, but I hoping this weekend.
* In addition to all of us protesting, we got enthusiastic honks and thumbs-up from a steady stream of passersby.
* Last but not least, I saw myself on CNN tonight! During Aaron Brown's show, he mentioned the Sinclair/Nightline brouhaha and mentioned our efforts in Columbus in particular. For a visual, they had footage of me reading my statement. (If you saw the balding guy in the dark suit at a podium--okay, not a podium but my wife's music stand--that was me!)
Thanks for all of the support, folks. We had fun. More details and photos comin'.
Atrocities Accomplished.
Awesome job JB and everyone else who attended! I wish I could have made the drive down to Columbus today, but a big thank you to everyone who was able to make it.
Why didn't he do that when he first found out? It appears he is outraged only that the story got out
Lets get this strait,bush did not express outrage.He wriggled his nose in hopes this would go away.
To be outraged would have been to come out and said something along the lines of we will notexcept this kind of behavior,we will find the truth and swiftly.We will prosecute this to each and every individual involved.
That is more like outrage.
The way bush came out today and gave his little "meeting" was woefully inadequet,more it was unjust to the troops who are fighting this war.They are the ones who will pay for this deed.
Those pics of nekkid Iraqi prisoners being "tortured" remind me of the Boy Scout camping trips I used to go on as a kid. Looks like good, clean fun to me. Not near as bad as a fraternity hazing, though I wouldn't know, since I never got that far. No one in the pics appears to be hurt, really. My guess is those guys are lucky to be alive.
But that said, as they say, these are great propaganda pics against the Bush junta's illegal invasion of Iraq. Oh the horror of it! Humiliation! Degradation! Torture! Whaaa!!!
That small group of pundits that we see in network after network who know so little about so much now have been fully exposed.
Amy Goodman talks about what asswipes the Media are, of course the tone of the interviewer, from newsweek is self righteous, which for me adds to the impact of her statements.
leslie stahl what a _____ doesn't she know John Kerry Kicks Ass!!! he better, or we are truly fucked!
Re the "torture" pics, I especially like the two thumbs up soldier babe grinnin' lika a jackass eatin' briars.
yeah, the rape ones are fake common porn, not that i know anything about porn, but i know a little about photography. the real ones are quite disturbing enuf. and i understand the brits are guilty of some abuses too. just another day for george and tony, bring'n democracy to the brown skinned people.
Links to a Story about how Arab television stations led their newscasts with the photos of the Iraqi prisoners being humiliated by U.S. military police.
They are calling it ,"evidence of the "immoral practices" of American forces."
My concern now is two-fold. First off, this incident took place in the latter part of LAST YEAR if I recall.
That means that the investigation or at the very least the KNOWLEDGE of it's occurrence HAD to be known but kept secret.
Today he said he was DISGUSTED and 'didn't like it one bit,'
So if that's the case and it DID happen about 6 months ago, why do we ONLY TODAY hear something, ANYTHING from bush about it?
Only AFTER they were aired on 60 minutes does he even bother to comment on it. Only AFTER his knowledge of it was shown to be almost 6 months old does he now come forward and condemn it?
Lets get this strait,bush did not express outrage.He wriggled his nose in hopes this would go away.
Did y'all notice that the headlines today morphed from boy king "expresses disgust" to boy king "demonstrates disgust" or "demonstrates outrage" -- when he has done nothing of the sort.
The king has done nothing at all. Mission Accomplished!
The fake rape pictures?
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Just as a butterly flapping its wings in Asia can cause a hurricane in America, it's going to turn out that a butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County was the first step to World War III.
I just watched "unfair and not balanced" O'Reilly, who had on Mark Hyman of Sinclair Broadcasting to discuss the issue, yet somehow no one was on to represent the other side. The spin starts there.
deep.
I agree Jack,WHen did the president know and what did karl do toprevent this from getting out?Do we need another investigation of the criminals in the executive office?
I am becomming more outraged aat the preacher than I am at the dumbasses who perpertrated this outrage.We need a leader to get us out of this mess and what do we get?
A smirk and a shrug.
No one in the pics appears to be hurt, really.
Except for the dead guy. Although I guess you wouldn't really feel pain after you're dead.
But since you are such a sadistic, desensitized fuck, how about some photos of children whose limbs got blown off by cluster bombs? Enjoy, dickbag.
No one can really show evidence of how many Iraqis have been killed in the war. It could be fewer than would have died during a normal non-war period with Saddam's torture. Also, if some photos are faked why not all of them? PhotoShop can do amazing things. Besides, a little direct pressure gets results. Thousands of Israelis and Palestinians are alive today because the Israelis can get answers with mild torture.
When will we understand that the media is bought and sold and that they're laughing at us as we speak.
I cannot believe that there wasn't a huge protest march at Unca dick's case before the supreme court for Scalia's conflict of interest (and truth). I can't believe there wasn't a huge protest against Unca Dick and "I am God" Bush and their joint meeting with the 911 investigators.
Take any of these items and change the names to a democrat, say Clinton, and ask yourself: Would these things fly by the media and political pundants?
Answer: HELL NO!
Proof in point that the media are shills for their billionaire employers.
Out.
Cracker
It is time for a major revolt and change of priorities.
watch out you slimy republican liars who mask yourselves in false religion.
Just as W believes: the wrath will come.
The only problem is that you loser liers and thiefs who preach false hope and Christianity are doomed to hell with the likes of your favorite reason to kill: saddam.
Have fun!!!
When will we understand that the media is bought and sold and that they're laughing at us as we speak.
I cannot believe that there wasn't a huge protest march at Unca dick's case before the supreme court for Scalia's conflict of interest (and truth). I can't believe there wasn't a huge protest against Unca Dick and "I am God" Bush and their joint meeting with the 911 investigators.
Take any of these items and change the names to a democrat, say Clinton, and ask yourself: Would these things fly by the media and political pundants?
Answer: HELL NO!
Proof in point that the media are shills for their billionaire employers.
Out.
Cracker
It is time for a major revolt and change of priorities.
watch out you slimy republican liars who mask yourselves in false religion.
Just as W believes: the wrath will come.
The only problem is that you loser liers and thiefs who preach false hope and Christianity are doomed to hell with the likes of your favorite reason to kill: saddam.
Have fun!!!
The FUCKING GALL!!!!!!!
Bush commercial in the middle of Nightline!!!!!
Anonymous. I have lots of questions. Lemme know when you are free. Maybe I can get some answers out of you. I'm sure you won't mind.
OT, Bob Somerby has had portions of Woodward's book yesterday and today -- some of his best stuff, I think. If you haven't read it yet, try to.
In August 2002, Cheney proposes a major address about Iraq—and if you believe Woodward’s book (we don’t), Bush doesn’t bother asking Cheney what he plans to say in it! And what did Cheney plan to say? “Trouble is what Cheney had in mind,” Woodward says. In Woodward’s account, Cheney gives a speech in which he “issued his own National Intelligence Estimate of Saddam,” an assessment of Saddam’s WMD that went beyond anything the CIA had said. Cheney also said that these WMD were “as great a threat as can be imagined.” According to Woodward, “Powell was astonished” by this, and rightly so, because “[t]hese remarks, just short of a declaration of war, were widely viewed as administration policy.” Remember—Woodward says that Bush didn’t even know what Cheney was going to say in this speech. Two weeks later, Woodward shows Bush following Cheney’s lead—now Bush starts overstating the intelligence, just the way Cheney has done.
If you believe this account (and again, we find it hard to do so), a virtual coup has now occurred. The vice president, not the president, has gone out, given a major speech, and recast U.S. war policy.
These are really more than interesting times!
Thousands of Israelis and Palestinians are alive today because the Israelis can get answers with mild torture.
You cannot be serious!!
What the fuck planet did you just land here from?What god has given you the right to lend this act ANY credence?You and you ponies in the whitehouse have gone off and raised the bar for stupidity in times of braindead activity.When will you less than trolls get off your high horse and realise that lives are in the balance here.I'm not talking about some person in a faraway land (like your dearleader is) but your friends (if you have any that is)and family ( that hasnt disowned you) being killed because of actions condoned by moronic brownshit fucks like you.
Get Bent!
If it weren't for Bush, you liberals might all be dead by terrorists. How about some gratitude?
Anony....GFY,assclown. Knowing you,you'd probably LOVE it if all the liberals died,wouldn't you?
"Gosh Mister Cheney, this presidentin' is hard. I would really like it if you pret pre, uh, pretendid you was the presidint and I was just watchin. I could go and say I was presidentin' but you'd be doin' it fer real uncle Dick. I'd just be doing it pretend."
Also, if some photos are faked why not all of them? PhotoShop can do amazing things.
Then why would Gen. Kimmet have apologized for the actions, and why would those involved be facing court martial if this was all fake?
Additionally, torture is specifically prohibited under the Geneva Conventions (among other human rights documents), to which our nation is party.
Bush runs campign ads during the reading of the war dead....this should be front page news!
Will that be? I doubt it.
BAH!!!!!
Jay Leno said two democratic members of the 9-11 commission walked out of the meeting with bush and cheney because they had somewhere else to be. Leno also pointed out that 61% of Iraqi's are thankful that George Bush took out Hussein.
I'm here in Ohio getting ready to watch the Sinclair substitute to the Nightline memorial. We were at the WSYX demo earlier, I've been busy posting and other stuff since returning home and didn't even know about the David Smith bust until moments ago -- still haven't read full post, let alone comments. I hope Sinclair's stupid decision insures the Smith story becomes huge. It's touch living in the country when you only get 2 tv channels clearly and one of them is WSYX.
The capital of the United States is Washington, D.C. Not Geneva or Paris or Barcelona. We who rule make the rules. And I might add, America rocks!
If it weren't for Bush, you liberals might all be dead by terrorists. How about some gratitude?
Anonymous
Don't you mean, "In spite of Bush's near total lack of interest in the terrorist threat pre-9/11, you should thank your lucky stars that you are still alive and can vote his sorry ass out of office come November"?
No one can really show evidence of how many Iraqis have been killed in the war. It could be fewer than would have died during a normal non-war period with Saddam's torture. Also, if some photos are faked why not all of them? PhotoShop can do amazing things. Besides, a little direct pressure gets results. Thousands of Israelis and Palestinians are alive today because the Israelis can get answers with mild torture.
Anonymous
This is a joke, right??? If not, where in the fuck is your humanity? You talk about 'Iraqi's' as if they were Tonka trucks. They're human beings. I guess we're not too far from 'The Final Solution, Part II' .
Oh my god. It's Mark Hyman. Says Nightline is trivializing the deaths by manner it's reporting them. Wants us to reserve judgment until special show is over.
It's Words of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. They edited one short because it sounded a "wait and see" tone on the Nightline show.
No matter how much things change they still stay the same.
To think that after WWI the dimwited leaders of this country and it's foreign policy felt confident enough to label it "The war to end all wars"
Today we have the power to destroy cities in a mere flash of light and a blink of an eye. We can strike targets from hundreds of miles away with god-like precision. We have satelites that can pick out the zit on Jenna Bush's ass as she lays passed out drunk in the back alley of a college frat house. We can see the energy radiating outward from the explosion of the big bang which happend billions of years ago, yet we cannot seem to find enough courage, selflessness, and common ground to unite the world and prevent war?
That despite the invention of nukooler bombs, space shuttles, organic circuitry and hydrogen based computers as powerful as the human mind thus ushering in the birth of artificial intelligence(resulting in the creation of either Skynet terminators or the Matrix, go figure) we still cannot seem to find a way to ensure that third world nations can survive harsh crop busting weather, or NY stock exchanges brought down by the speculation of a few fearful investors.
As has been noted so many times by so many others, I would like to see the United States of America forego the need for military spending in this country FOR ONE YEAR and lets use this to wipe out the debts of foreign countries, pay for the creation of hundreds of new schools, pay the medical bills of all our country's senior citizens, and perhaps pay the full college tuition for several thousands of graduating seniors too poor to make it on their own.
Do we need one more Stealth bomber?
Do we need one more mechanized artilary vehicle?
Do we need to pay for a few more fighter jets or another attack sub?
We have scaled back on the hardware we purchase due to the changing nature of war, yet our military spending has not gone down? Why?
I would beg to ask if we cut back on spending for one year we could give every U.S corporation a complete tax break for the year allowing them to hire back those they laid off. At least for a year which I woudl say puts more food on the table and clothes on the backs of more americans than having more tomohawk cruise missiles.
MYOB'
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'm watching Nightline.
This has been a very moving, dignified and above all, respectful presentation.
The ages of some of these fallen, they're children! 18, 19 years old. They can't legally buy a beer, but they can be sent to die at the whim of Bush and his neocon puppetmasters.
For those whom ABC lacked photographs, they show one of the images of flag draped coffins.
Thank you, Mr. Kopple.
The capital of the United States is Washington, D.C. Not Geneva or Paris or Barcelona. We who rule make the rules.
We made those rules, asshat.
P.S. Have fun selling your ass on the street to pay your mom the rent once China and Japan stop buying our debt. Money talks, exceptionalist bullshit walks.
I am so horrified by the thought of our soldiers torturing others. I am so tortured by the thought of our soldiers dying in bursts of fire and bombs. It all seems so terribly real, so corrupting.
As a New Yorker, I was very pained by the WTC destruction. Sometimes, I would pick a name of a person who had died, and try to live my day for him or her. I know it sounds corny, but I truly felt the need to connect to the life of these people. All that was left was their names. I wanted somehow to make their names live because they couldn't. That's how I felt about watching the Fallen on Nightline tonight. I wanted to know their names and see their faces. Can't I do at least that little, as a human being? Can't a little piece of these people live on in the memories of others? It seems the least we can do. I don't know if the sacrifice was worthwhile. But I know they were human beings.
Oh, they just implied Koppel is over the hill. Is he doing this for ratings? Now a media prof says pre-empting Nightline is in line with other stuff they've done.
Now Sinclair's attorneys are reading Koppel's mind, they know his intent! They say they invited Koppel but he said he was too busy -- then they list all the programs he did appear on.
Learn punctuation, Anon. No apostrophe in plurals. And if you get your information from Jay "I Love Arnold" Leno, no wonder you're so poorly informed. The most recent poll shows the vast majority of Iraqis (not Iraqi's) saying they want us the hell out of there and don't think they're better off. Fewer Iraqi dead from the war and occupation than would have died under Saddam? Not even the administration has tried to make this claim.
Saddam was evil. And you can argue that the Iraqis are better off now. But in making the argument, you have to deal with reality. The reality is that tens of thousands of them are dead because of us. You might contend that the war was still a net good thing for the world, but you have to be honest about the costs.
Sigh. Why am I wasting my breath (figuratively, of course)? I should go home and have an intelligent conversation with my three-year-old. He, at least, can count.
The photos of the naked men stacked on top of each other are genuine. It's the rae scene ones that are suspicious.
Welcome, General. Here to kick some French ass? (I've been here undercover, doing some reconnaissance; any less-than-manly posts you may see are simply to keep my cover).
Some woman-on-the-street just said it's not news; it's just war . . . Oh, you can go online and let them know your opinion. I didn't get the url. I think it's just a way to track ratings so I'm not going there but I'll get the url if they repeat it.
Now someone says there's a political and monetary motive in sweeps week. Like that's not what Sinclair's doing.
Now someone says we should be honoring WWII vets who are aging and dying. Wouldn't we be better served honoring them, the host asks. Who is this guy . . . Wow, face off with Republican congressman from FL and Democratic congresswoman from CA. Lots of talk over with split screen image, then last word goes to the FL Republican with full screen head shot. And cut to commercial.
Wow. Bush just said he stood by his "mission accomplished" statement from last year and said now there are no rape rooms in Iraq!
Good going Columbus Ohio. Sinclair cannot get away with this unAmerican act.
I actually got to see both Nightline and the Sinclair broadcast tonight. I get two ABC stations -- one from Hartford, CT and one from Springfield, MA.
The Sinclair show did try to be balanced (equal number of on the street interviews with people who disagreed with them and shouting match between two congress on opposite sides). But in the end, it was, of course, slanted; ending on some well-practiced words by Bush. But the thing I took away most, seeing the broadcasts side by side, is that Sinclair Broadcasting Group and "NewsCentral" are pretty SHITTY operations. I mean, it was like a high school operation. What an embarrassment!
The U.S. has lost any moral ground it ever had. If another Hitler comes along, how are we going to take him to the Hague being that our own nefarious leader lied to start a pre-emptive strike on an innocent populace?
Bush called for the collective punishment of an entire city--women, children, old men included out of revenge for the publicized desecration of the dead bodies of four mercenaries.
How are we going to be able to demand humane treatment of our POW's or punish any atrocities committed against our soldiers in an international war crimes court after this?
And to top it all off, our soldiers are only fit to serve as backdrops for Bush's public primping and preening. Once dead, they are put in 'transfer tubes' and secreted away for burial out of site from the cameras.
If the American people can't sit through an hour of seeing the lives sacrificed for this war, they have no business supporting it.
So...anyone want to take a guess on how many Al Qaida recruits the photos (real AND faked) have garnered?
Lemme tell ya, I feel safer every day with these guys in charge...
The capital of the United States is Washington, D.C. Not Geneva or Paris or Barcelona. We who rule make the rules.
Why do you hate the Constitution?
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land
--Article VI, US Constitution
Now they're comparing pro and anti-war activism. Lots of RW&B shots and one of Rev. Al Sharpton for the anti-war voice! Bush again: No, "Bring it on" didn't incite violence and anyway, he was directing that remark to his troops!
Kerry now from tonight, eve of "mission accomplished" statement, but we've seen the pictures, etc. Also Sen. Byrd, Sen. Kennedy -- Iraq a quagmire; Bush's Vietnam; Gore; Kerry again. Go to commercial . . .
Just saw Nightline. Wow.
I wanted to put aside my anger and just... watch. And then smack in the middle of the broadcast was a Nissan SUV ad saying, "Bring it on." So much for not yelling at the screen.
Oh well -- at least I didn't get the Shrub campaign ad here.
But I'm glad it was done. If this were my world, it would be required viewing for everyone.
As I grab my teddy bear and head off to Sleepyland, and while I go dream of a crushing Bush defeat, I leave you with this startling thought:
Sinclair is the single best damned friend that we, on our side of the fence, have ever had, during this entire administration from Hell.
Discuss.
To its credit, WLOS covered the vigil outside its studios -- involving around 100 people standing out in the rain -- and gave a decent amount of time to the opinions those there. The anchors also sounded rather put upon. As you would be, knowing that you were being followed by the plastic-coated faux-patriotism of Mark Hyman.
Fox Carolina had a 'special report' until 12.30am, including viewer emails and a phoned-in report from Asheville. They also emphasised that it wasn't a local decision on the part of 'our friends at WLOS'. And Nightline itself showed up Sinclair for what it is.
2 billion, mostly buff, pissed off Muslims against 260 million mostly overweight, lazy, junk-food consuming, borderline diabetic TV zombies. If I were the rest of the world, I'd grab a bowl of popcorn. Things could get interesting.
Alexandra,
You are my friend for life.
The above post was in response to Philalethes:
So...anyone want to take a guess on how many Al Qaida recruits the photos (real AND faked) have garnered?
Lemme tell ya, I feel safer every day with these guys in charge...
Philalethes
Sorry.
If it weren't for Bush, you liberals might all be dead by terrorists. How about some gratitude?
Would this be the Bush who had been in the big chair, for almost a year, when 3000 New Yorkers became dead by terrorists?
Hey! Thanks, motherfucker!
patriotboy,
Behold the truth-
The fake rape pictures?
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Friar...
Yeah, that's a pretty picture, alright. Where can I sign up for that manned mission to Mars?
On Mars, will there be poppers?
Patriotboy...
Re: the "treaties constitute the law of the US" post...thanks! I must've posted and stated that simple bit of info ten thousand times in the run-up to the war. But no one got it! Even on the Left, people would say, "We're breaking international laws!" and leave it at that.
Fuck that...we were breaking OUR OWN LAWS!
Glad to see someone else disseminating it. It can't be said often enough!
Philalethes:
I would be pretty lonley being the sole survivor of a complete and total breakdown of civilisation.
What am I saying? are'nt we already there?
Please read this.
It's not all baseball. There are dead folks.
Thanks, Ted.
On Mars, will there be poppers?
Iraqi Sex Slave
Jeez, are you still harping on that?
You must be bored and lonely. Here, I'll compose a personal ad for you:
"Dull-witted MBF seeks same for stultifying online repetition of non-pertinent slurs and non sequiturs, possibly leading to disappointing attempts at sex-related program activites and/or suicide pact. Won't travel, as toenails have grown into shag carpet."
Give it a try...it can't hurt!
Mission Assomplished. My feelings on Nightline.
Accomplished, I mean.
This is my master from BlackWater Inc. He makes $2,000/day and he spends not enough on poppers.
Gee, anonymous, here I was all against invading Iraq because the country really wasn't a threat to the US.
Now that you've pointed out that invading Iraq gives Americans the opportunity to mildly torture prisoners just like the Israelis, I see now what a blessing Bush has brought us.
Praise the lord.
Smalfish:
I would be pretty lonley being the sole survivor of a complete and total breakdown of civilisation.
That's why I'm going to bring along a sassy, break-dancing robot.
This is my master from BlackWater Inc. He makes $2,000/day and knows all the pastels.
Thank you, cs for the accurate running critique of Sinclair's rebuttal. I regret that I didn't tape it for future 'enjoyment.'
[i]Now someone says we should be honoring WWII vets who are aging and dying. Wouldn't we be better served honoring them, the host asks. Who is this guy . . . Wow, face off with Republican congressman from FL and Democratic congresswoman from CA. Lots of talk over with split screen image, then last word goes to the FL Republican with full screen head shot. And cut to commercial.[/i]
This included the most bizarre moment of the broadcast. During the face off, the moderator broke in with something along the lines of, 'I just thought of something! I've just seen the new memorial to the veterans of World War II. This is the way we should be honoring soldiers. We're losing 11,000 WW II veterans a day. Shouldn't we be honoring them? I mean, we're losing 11,000 of these veterans a day!' I apologize for this poor recollection, but he made as much sense as what I've written. I'd love a transcript.
Who are any of these guys? Are they even familiar to Baltimore viewers? How resourceful of them to have such easy access to our President & Vice President for exclusive Oval Office interviews on such short motice.
BTW, the protest was top story on all three Columbus stations this evening.
Philalethes
Thanks for the chuckle.
We're losing 11,000 WW II veterans a day. Shouldn't we be honoring them? I mean, we're losing 11,000 of these veterans a day!
These people really are absolutely bonkers. And praise the Lord, they are too STUPID to survive for much longer.
"Dull-witted MBF seeks same for stultifying online repetition of non-pertinent slurs and non sequiturs, possibly leading to disappointing attempts at sex-related program activites and/or suicide pact. Won't travel, as toenails have grown into shag carpet."
Hahahaha!
Hahahaha!
Petey Wheatstraw
Hey, aren't you the Devil's son-in-law?
What's he really like?
Looking for unattractive,dispassionate,loyal to the end MBF for loooong nights and very unentertaining weekends in front of the CRT.Must be willing to accept verbal assaults and refrain from independant thinking.
Ps I carry nail clippers,ya no,never no when ya need em.
Way to go, Ohio!
Nightline has just come on here on the West side of the country.
So far I'd have to say that it is INCREDIBLY respectful and thoughtful. There are soldiers from 18 to 54. What's struck me is how many are clearly not native-born.
These are the men and women whose names you don't hear about - we know who Pat Tillman is, but chances are none of us know a single name of the 10 American soldiers who died the other day.
To those who claim Memorial Day would have been more appropriate - why banish remembering our war dead to one day a year? They should be remembered and thought of as often as possible. Besides most people on Memorial Day are too busy having fun and barbequing to remember the real reason for the holiday.
To say this program is somehow "anti-war propaganda" is just fucking bizarre. "What planet are you on" bizarre.
The only thing I wish was different, was that it was commercial-free.
All this goes on while the Wilson book is waiting in the wings ready to explode on the scene.I hope the bushies burn this week.
Already the al arabia is quoting someone saying this is the straw that broke...
Bush-cheney we let the world burn for you
Kaus ==> Hack
Mickey Kaus ==> Mini Maus
haydn 60 -- Thanks for posting the stuff about losing 11,000 WW II vets a day. That was truly bizarre. The youngest WW II vets would be what, 80 years old now? If we're losing 11,000 a day that's more than 4 million vets a year!
So far I'd have to say that it is INCREDIBLY respectful and thoughtful.
Heard Koppel on Franken's show today and that's how he came across to me. I've got any number of problems with him, but it was obvious to me that he was respectful and sincere. At the same time, he knew EXACTLY why Sinclair et al were opposing him, and wasn't shy about saying it. He said something like "An administration that was wrong about WMD, that was wrong about links to al-Qaeda, that was wrong about Iraqis dancing in the streets to welcome us, that was wrong about UN involvement...should, at this point, have a little humility."
When Franken asked him if he thought Sinclair would read McCain's letter on their "alternative" show, Koppel said, "You can bet the farm they won't."
Not a guy laboring under too many illusions about what kind of people are supporting Bush these days.
Our local ABC affiliate is using up some of their commercial time to show the pictures of Arizona's fallen soldiers.
I guess Scripps - Howard Broadcasting hates America too.
yeah, no one ever paid ANY attention to those WWII veterans.
Not even that terrorist-lover Tom Brokaw.
If we're losing 11,000 a day that's more than 4 million vets a year!
Yeah...a hundred-twenty-something soldiers dead in Iraq in April, versus 330, 000 WWII vets! Easy to see where the problem lies!
I blame Clinton!
I blame Clinton!
Ah, the Clenis, the evil penius that walks among us and perverts our very souls.....
Koppel conflated the war on terror with the war in Iraq. ugh.
Ah, the Clenis, the evil penius that walks among us and perverts our very souls.....
(Sans italics).....
....anyway, That damn Clinton will be the death of us all!
Unbelievable! At the last minute, the non-Sinclair affiliated (yet still right-wing) ABC station in Huntsville, Alabama (WAAY) pulled Nightline. I can't believe it and am so angry I am shaking. I have already called and left my comments, but invite anyone else to help me unleash a sh*t storm on them.
WAAY-TV
256-533-3131
Our ABC affiliate was generally tasteful: no SUV or BushCo campaign ads. Of course, since it's sweeps, we did get the obligatory upcoming 10 pm special reports for the local news. Also, within one of the breaks, the affiliate showed pictures of the Arizona fallen. Pat Tillman (died in Afghanistan) was the last shown.
Compared to the usual commercial loudness between the programming, it was pretty tasteful.
Mission Atrocitized!
Those pictures of the naked dudes stacked on top of each other? Fake!
They're clearly from this week's *South Park*.
ghorbanifar rulez!
lol kenny!!!!!
DEE DURK UR JOOBZ!
"Back in the pile!"
I'm from Columbus, I live in Grandview Heights about 2 minutes from wsyx, I wish I knew that the protest was going on, I would have been there, It made me very very sick to know that this was being censored for obvious political reasons, while citing political reasons. I was at a friends house and they were watching the O'Rielly Factor, The spokesperson for Sinclair was on, and he said that one of thereasons that they were pulling it was that in during Vietnam Time ran something similiar and that was about the time that public opinion started to change about Vietnam. That comment, to me, made it sound like he was admitting that it was political.
Queeby, I was a kid during Vietnam and I saw a lot of the TV news that these folks are now pissing and moaning about. History has shown that just about everything we were told about why we should stay in Vietnam after about 1967 or 1968 was, to put it politely, wrong. Whenever someone says to you that the reason we didn't "win" or whatever (I don't know what these dopes are saying, "things didn't work out"? "unfortunately, our hopes were not realized"? "life isn't perfect"?) in Vietnam was that protestors started to complain, or anything similar, ask them what they think would have happened if there had been no anti-war movement. Ask them why we were surprised by the Tet Offensive, and why our leaders from both parties kept telling us that the tide had turned and the whole thing would be over in six more months. Ask them why there was no "domino effect" and why present-day Vietnam just sits there minding its own business and making pho instead of exporting godless Communism all over the place.
Destiny6:
"We must never forget that if the war in Vietnam is lost. . . the right of free speech will be extinguished throughout the world."
--Richard M. Nixon,, October 27, 1965
Yes Philalethes. Conveniently for Nixon, he didn't put a time limit on that.
"In the long run, we will all be dead" -- I think that's Keynes, isn't it? Some economist -- sorry, it's late.
"In the long run, we will all be dead"
Didn't Dear Leader recently make a similar statement?
Thanks wtfwjd? for the breaking news. Developing (I was listening to BBC Radio 4 last night and this morning): following allegations of brutality of Iraqis by British soldiers in the Daily Mirror, General Sir Mike Jackson has said that an investigation has been launched and that, in his opinion, the perpetrators of such acts were not fit to wear Army uniform. (More)
Now that's what I call outrage.
Nice post, Destiny6, as a student of US history (at Oxford) I'm inclined to ask myself some of the same questions.
The protests are evidence that there are still some sane people left in america.
The Sinclair people look like a bunch of winger assholes. Which is to say they appear as they are.
Well, the whole Sinclair v. Nightline shebang has appeared on BBC News, and needless to say Sinclair does not come up exactly smelling of roses on this one. That is to say, BBC reports fairly impartially, and Sinclair shows itself up as being wrong-headed and narrowminded. Nothing on the Ohio protests, as yet.
Here and here to be precise. Enjoy.
Oh, and sorry about the OT, but I'm sure this is quite a heartening decision, although disheartening to hear that the NYPD made such a meal of an issue that hardly raises comment in most British police forces these days (to the extent that I have seen Sikh officers wearing 'uniform turbans'...).
Deana & Renato:
So do you think ABC 15 intentionally sold no commercial time, in order to be tasteful? I'm not sure what I think about this. I'd heard on the NewsHour that there were a number of commercial sponsors who cancelled their ads for this one Nightline segment. I'm wondering if they were FORCED to choose to be tasteful, if you catch my drift...
jack:
Thanks for the reference to the great "Chickenhawks" editorial on the CBS site. After reading it I sent an e-mail to Mr. Meyer to thank him. (We have to remember to reward good behavior as well as punish folks like Sinclair.)
cs:
Thanks for the play-by-play. It was excruciating enough to hear your description, I think I would have thrown my shoes at the TV had I seen it.
Blessings on everyone who protested today!
renato--
Koppel conflated the war on terror with the war in Iraq. ugh.
Did he? I didn't watch (I'm in germany, duh), but the quote from the ABC statement was:
"ABC News will continue to report on all facets of the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism in a manner consistent with the standards which ABC News has set for decades"
So at least in this statement, the two are clearly identified as separate entities.
The stench of all those corpses is beginning to reach the noses of the american sheep/ostrich people.
Coming of age during the cold war this is the kind of thing that we were always told the "reds" did, bury their mistakes. First the orders to not release figures on Iraqis killed, then the hiding of the returning coffins. And now the names of dead Americans is being made off-limits. If another terrorist attack is made on the United States during Little Bush's term they'll probably not tell us anymore about it than North Koreans heard about the disaster with the trains.
Europe must be wondering how bad things can get here, like people here worried about Europe in the 30s. I'm not optimistic. Americans have been and are having their brains starved. Entertainment instead of reality. It's a diet certain to lead to fascism and fascism needs wars and conquest. That Bushco is going after the middle-east should spark the sane world to action. He's not only kicking the bees nest, he's knocking over the whole apiary.
A massive consumer boycott of American TV and films would punish the worst of their willing tools and could get them to change. They don't really care about anything but money. A cut of 20% in world wide earning would bring them to their knees.
If something isn't done about the American right it's going to make WWII look like the run-up.
Oh, and last night's Night Line not withstanding, ABC is about the worst of the Bush boot lickers outside of cable trash news. Diane Sawyer alone could win them that place.
Happy flight suit day, everyone!
sin, I'd rather not.
I'd rather celebrate the fact that 10 extra countries have just joined the European Union, almost all from the former Warsaw Bloc. Now that's reason to be cheerful. It apparently makes the EU the biggest trading bloc in the world.
I'd rather celebrate the fact that 10 extra countries have just joined the European Union, almost all from the former Warsaw Bloc. Now that's reason to be cheerful. It apparently makes the EU the biggest trading bloc in the world.
TheaLogie
It brought a smile to my face. Congratulations Europe, hope things work out.
Solve the language problem though. Too much paper.
TheaLogie.
O.K. but at least have a pair of socks handy.
Newspeak.
Doublethink.
haydn60 -- far be it for me to nitpick a wingnut statement, but it's actually 1,000 WWII veterans dying per day, NOT 11,000.
Today is "Flightsuit Posing" Day!
"But since you are such a sadistic, desensitized fuck, how about some photos of children whose limbs got blown off by cluster bombs? Enjoy, dickbag."
Seriously - you make me think - why don't we see these images?
Why not?
Dead and maimed innocent children...why don't we see these images?
I will say it again DEAD and MAIMED CHILDREN....how do all you parents like that one?
Again - DEAD and MAIMED CHILDREN...do you like it yet?
Why do I have to sit through weeks of Michael jackson coverage?
Why is there more anti-abortion coverage than when 1 MILLION women march in protest of them?
Why does'nt Ashcroft go after McVeigh-type freaks who have proven their violent, anti-americanism?
Atrios - forget talking about Kerry's medals...talk about DEAD and MAIMED children at the hands of american forces.
I know why - you know why...
People can sit through Gladiator, Faces of Death, sharks eating seals, etc....but NOT
the DEAD and MAIMED bodies of innocent children...NO - that reviles ALL of us to the ultimate..
BUT
It is those images that will change the minds of the sheeple soccer moms. Oh sure at first they will complain about them...but after a while - they will get it...there is only one thought in your mind when you see those DEAD and MAIMED innocent children....
WAR IS HELL and EVIL.
Speaking of protests, Venerable is reporting that the militants who'd taken some Italians hostage demanded street protests as ransom, were satisfied with the display, and will now guarantee the safety of the hostages iin thanks for demonstrations.
This is a freeping wet dream of "evidence" that the Left is actually the global shifty-eyed anti-Semitic conspiracy. If they have the ignorance to call Spain cowardice, they will not be able to help reciting that those not with them really are with the terra'ists.
Italians have been protesting a number of things, from the infamous protester abuses (and murders) at Genoa demonstrations to the shennanigans of clipped-wing-fascist president Burlusconi. They were certainly among the millions protesting Iraq.
There is a possiblity that the protests in question were not in answer to the terrorists and, as will be ignored by every bobblehead who loves his or her Preznit, a definite certainty they would've been protesting the illegal occupation anyway, as are plenty of other decent people unassociated in any way with terror.
Felix-
that ABC statement is similar to what Koppel said but not exactly the same as what he said.
I have it on tape but I'm too groggy to search the tape and transcribe it.
I'm glad someone at ABC was more careful with their language.
Kate -
I suppose you may be right. Then again, maybe some thought it inappropriate to show their ads during something so sobering. Who knows? In any case I am glad they paid tribute to Arizona's fallen.
Again, having seen the show now, the notion that there was anything propagandistic about it, is bizarre.
Get this. Sinclair ran their propaganda crap on ABC last night here in St. Louis, but it was the local PAX (xanity) channel that DID broadcast Nightline live. Even the god-believers disagree about it.
For those who've been waiting for a progress report on the Plame case, this was in the Guardian today:
The leak represented a serious felony under US law and a federal investigation is nearing completion in Washington into who was responsible.
"It's coming to a close, and my understanding is there are going to be indictments," said one source familiar with the investigation.
If those indictments include senior administration officials, the consequences could be seriously damaging for the White House.
I would say that Sinclair and the other critics of the Nightline broadcast, are guilty of hypersensitive right-wing "political correctness".
Did y'all notice that the headlines today morphed from boy king "expresses disgust" to boy king "demonstrates disgust" or "demonstrates outrage" -- when he has done nothing of the sort.
He didn't "Demonstrate Genuine Leadership (tm)" either.
If it weren't for Bush, you liberals might all be dead by terrorists. How about some gratitude?
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 05.01.04 - 12:56 am | #
So, why are you trying to save us libburuls if God will just rapture all of you good guys out of the way?
Why do I have to sit through weeks of Michael jackson coverage?
Whose ass are you sitting on again?
Get up off it.
Turn off your TV.
if the pics were bad, what about what we did not see.how hi up, how widespread? don't look at these unless you want to see the real horror and i think you should look. no such thing as pinpoint targeted bombing. just pinhead, incompetent leadership.
thats two links up above
The White House is learning that NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, they will not be held accountable for mistakes, or even have to admit them, and nobody will care. It's going to get worse. We keep thinking "this is the last straw" but NOTHING HAPPENS, the wingers dismiss it, and their shills circle the wagons and flood the sheep with memes.
Anyone know where the soldiers suspected of abusing these prisoners came from? Which base in the U.S.?
That might tell us something about the culture in the place they got their training. Didn't their superiors have any idea that this was entirely unacceptable? That it was about the stupidest thing they could do? Even taking pictures.
Looks like lots of reeducation are needed if these kinds of things are to be avoided.
And don't ever forget, the United States will pay in blood over this. It's a sure thing.
Oh, and those who still insist the Iraq War was a bad idea, just shut up. We're at war.
Oh, and those who still insist the Iraq War was a bad idea, just shut up. We're at war.
re: the policy of having reservists "soften" POWs preceding interrogation by mercs (because that's what it was), there is absolutely no reason to beieve that it was an isolated incident, there is absolutely no reason not to believe that is not the norm. Consider the CIA prison overrun by rioting in Afghanistan, where it later came out that the prisoners were rebelling against torture. Consider also the logic of this: is it so unreasonable, especially in light of our history but also with the added angst of IX/XI, to suggest?
OT
Excellent piece on Magyar globalization. The local Fried Man gets pinned down about what globalization actually means for Hungary, and he's completely honest, he just drops this whole paragraph of nightmares. Not one benefit to be spun. Az Isten faszát!
Oh dear, and the old anti-EU myth about the 'Eurocumber' gets hauled out. For Pete's sake. I think the benefits will be long-term, once Europe stops being edgy about Hungary et al and vice versa, and once the respective economic situations have shaken down. Lots of silly things were being said the last time (Spain and Portugal) there were new admittees to the European Union.
"To say this program is somehow 'anti-war propaganda' is just fucking bizarre."
The names of the dead, read quietly, one after that other, are THE TRUTH.
Unembellished, plain, truth.
In this war, it should be obvious by now that the simple plain truth is "anti-war propaganda".
Has Sinclair not budged one bit on this issue? I find it crazy that it would be such a big issue and don't understand at all how it's 'partisan'. There were republicans against the war, just as there were democrats. But talk about politicization -- I'd never heard of Sinclair Broadcast Group before this -- not that it will affect my consumer choices, but it might others. Has anyone written about that issue yet?
BTW, Drudge's headline is "Ted Reads Dead" -- I guess he's still trying to be the repug on-line version of "The Nat'l Inquirer" or "The Globe". All of this gives me a funny feeling in the pit of my stomach. Last week it was something else -- I wonder what the big controversy will be next week?
Once things have been shaken down. Right. Just like Mexico is an economic power to be reckoned with thanks to NAFTA.
Meanwhile you say nothing about what we or the guy said, you just-unintentional, please do not tak this seriously-fixate on the cucumber.
This is what will happen, because this is what always happens: They are going to fuck them, and then forget them, and maybe a kind of stability will eventually come, but it will still really suck to not be rich.
Nobody says anything about the bloodily muderous exclusionism of Britain, France, America, Belgium or the Netherlands. Nobody says anything about how Korea and Japan got to be strong, and it sure as hell wasn't globalization.
Globalization has never made an economic power, they are all from nationalistic exclusionism: globalization is only an option to our little brown brothers. Try getting some Canadian drugs if you doubt this.
We had a Humgarian friend once who was pissed about the radically punitive attitude of post-Stalinist "Reconstruction". She always mentioned the enormous quiet support communism (which, significantly, "is called socialism" there-if youy don't understand, think about Suth'nas picking terminology) enjoyed among people who would not be starving in a different time. No Playboy, but you'd have food and be respected for some unprofitable capitalistically useless academic job like teaching poetry.
We hope it can work out right, but we sure as hell aren't looking at EU promises as meaning szar.
The EU does have a potentially enormous advantage over NAFTA and other FTZs, in the rotating presidency. But we get the feeling this will kind of be like Ouagadogo gets some chair position in the UN.
'member how the Bushies and their sock puppets would yammer about Evil Ol' Sad'em and his rape rooms and torture chambers to shut up and shame their libburryool critics? Well, hell, meet the boss, same as the ol' boss. One of Sad'em's henchmen is gonna be in charge of "security" in Fallujah and it looks like "we're" openin' up the rape rooms and torture chambers again.
FAUX News this mornin' has already started the right's echo chamber response to the photos:
1. They're fake.
2. Hey, it ain't the Bataan Death March.
3. Boyz will be boyz and so will the gurlz who sign up to do a man's job.
4. Blame the Clenis, the secyewlar whomanists (After all, good gawd-fearin' Xians would never do such things), the feminazis, the ready availbility of porn, the don't ask - don't tell policy (can be incorporated with blamin' the Clenis) and last, but not least, the hoemoesuxyool agenda.
Troubling...
I looked at the info Felix Deutsh provided (about the registration of the site www.albasrah.net where the mixed up pictures are shown). Fast Solution is a Dutch ISP (www.fastsolutions.nl).
albasrah.net seems to be a site that collects anti-Iraq-war evidence. At the bottom of the pictures they show the "credits", and they have taken the pictures of the prison from the memoryhole site and mixed them with the rape pictures found on http://ctdsaddam.i8.com/uscrimes11.htm (warning; even more graphic on that site, no blurring). If you then look at the main site (http://ctdsaddam.i8.com/) it is an arabic site with a french yahoo email address, run by the Tunesian comittee in defense of Saddam Hussain.
Weirder and weirder...
Marjolein
I looked at the info Felix Deutsh provided (about the registration of the site www.albasrah.net where the mixed up pictures are shown). Fast Solution is a Dutch ISP (www.fastsolutions.nl).
albasrah.net seems to be a site that collects anti-Iraq-war evidence. At the bottom of the pictures they show the "credits", and they have taken the pictures of the prison from the memoryhole site and mixed them with the rape pictures found on http://ctdsaddam.i8.com/uscrimes11.htm (warning; even more graphic on that site, no blurring). If you then look at the main site (http://ctdsaddam.i8.com/) it is an arabic site with a french yahoo email address, run by the Tunesian comittee in defense of Saddam Hussain.
Weirder and weirder...
Marjolein
I did it! I found the url where the iraqi rape pix on www.albasrah.net are from!
Go to http://www.hard-rape.net/iraq/?z=106
renato: I agree with you that the notion Nightline was "propagandistic" is truly bizarre.
But the reason why I want to know if sponsors dropped the segment is so I could give those sponsors A PIECE OF MY MIND if they did, in fact, cancel their sponsorship.
Also: I want to know what we can do to keep up the pressure on Sinclair. They think they can ride out this temporary storm, and that their stock price, which dropped sharply, will go up again once this "tempest in a teacup" goes away. I don't want it to go away. I want to see these weasels hurt, badly, in the pocketbook, which is the only place they will feel it. Any ideas on what we can do to keep the hurt on? Anyone? An "anonymous" poster on another thread said "bring in the lawyers" but I don't know what that means. Did Sinclair break any laws? All ideas (other than violence) welcome!!
haydn60:
“This included the most bizarre moment of the broadcast. During the face off, the moderator broke in with something along the lines of, 'I just thought of something! I've just seen the new memorial to the veterans of World War II. This is the way we should be honoring soldiers. We're losing 11,000 WW II veterans a day. Shouldn't we be honoring them? I mean, we're losing 11,000 of these veterans a day!' I apologize for this poor recollection, but he made as much sense as what I've written. I'd love a transcript.”
bkny :
“haydn60 -- far be it for me to nitpick a wingnut statement, but it's actually 1,000 WWII veterans dying per day, NOT 11,000.”
If I misquoted the figure, I apologize (Haydn’s 60th was written for the play, “The Absent-Minded Gentleman”) & appreciate the correction. I only wished to characterize, not caricature, an outburst even more baffling than their ‘why not read the names of the 9/11 victims?’ argument.
A Quicktime video will be available at http://www.iammattthomas.com as soon as Matt sorts out his bandwidth problems.
All three of Columbus’s 11:00 reports opened with our protest. I was only able to see Channel 10’s story, which was outstanding.
The Columbus Dispatch buried the story, as they did yesterday’s, in the Accent & Arts section. I was in stammering mode yesterday & of little use to reporters, but I wish the Dispatch could have noted one of my complaints, the gist of which was, "If Channel 6 airs Nightline, people will be fired. A descision for one of our local stations is being made by a company in Baltimore."
The American flag JB brought was indispensable. August at Xoverboard once wondered why the antiwar movement cedes use of the flag to the hard right, whose words & deeds are often unpatriotic. WBNS's report cut repeatedly between images of the flag & attendees of all ages. There was a brief montage of names read by various people at the lectern, one of whom wore camoflage. There was an interview with attendee Terry Roney who knows people serving in Iraq and, in a voice trembling with anger, demanded Sinclair show them respect.
A demonstration can easily be caricatured in the editing room by stringing together daffy or quirky images. Car horns blown in support for a woman with a picket sign who smiled & waved could have suggested a circus atmosphere rather than that of a solemn memorial. The station did not resort to this. The moods conveyed by the report were patriotic dignity & anger.
haydn60 - thanks for the encouraging description of local coverage! (except for the Dispatch...I spent some time in Newark, and read the Dispatch while I was there...it was an obvious rag, mostly useful for wrapping up fish, etc.)
Accent & Arts, what a hoot. So which would you say your patriotic activity represents, an "accent" or an "art"?
The names of the dead, read quietly, one after that other, are THE TRUTH.
I agree that the broadcast was very well done, very solemn. I was glad there wasn't background music of any kind: militaristic or cheesy mournful stuff, or whatever. In real life, there is rarely background music; those soldiers didn't die with background music playing like in a movie.
Said often- propaganda tactics- blame others for using the same actions to cover your transgressions. Rape rooms was a constant mantra Bush.
So if he is for gay rape does this change his stance on gay marriage???
Props.
Once again David Smith's e-mail address is dsmith@sbgnet.com and Sinclair's phone number is 410-568-1500 if you haven't bugged them yet
Bashcroft is the one whose job it is to bug people right now...
fuck you
fuck you
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