I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Anyone know URLS for torture photos or video footage? I understand more are forthcoming?
i've been trawling the net all day. still haven't found any.
pervs.
: )
I forgive us.
I like to foster other things...
Clearly everyone [in the DOD] is not a rationalizing putz.
Actually, probably they are all farmers. Anyone with a reason to escape (to Syria, etc) would probably also have means. The guy Khadr who went into Gitmo said it was at most 20% legitimate possible bad guy arrests. Recall that in Afghanistan we just bribed people alien to law for turning in people. Thus most of the people we got were guilty only of maybe stealing the accuser's goat twenty years ago, and only according to the accuser. Get rid of your annoying neighbor/begrudged enemy, and pick up reward money while you're at it! Who in a poor vendetta-driven society could resist? So how can they expect better in Iraq?
Capt. Nick O'Filia was in charge of disposing of corpses.
So its a crime to be "not a farmer"?
www.thememoryhole.com seems not to be working? Is the CIA/NSA messing up the INTERNET? SASSER sure came along at a funny time, no?
Riverbend says some people in Iraq are settling old personal scores by telling US troops that the person supports insurgents.
Of course, you've never told us your name, which is probably "Ima Communist sympathizer."
Well, that solves that one.
Foster Payne was on all the orders, and they followed em.
Next.
btw, is it true that Viagra was invented by Hugh G. Rection?
LOL!
(to Joshua)
Iraqi director of Quaqmire Management:
Albert Ross (sounds like. . .)
Torture asks, pain answers. It really is incredible what people will come up with when you inspire them properly. Look at the diary where the guy thinks he's exposing some kind of network.
www.thememoryhole.com seems not to be working
it's www.memoryhole.org not com
Just like me and my friend Bigus Dickus, and his pal I.P. Freely were saying the other day...
Like it's www.whitehouse.gov and not .com. Beeeg difference.
G-sus I'm slow today.
"Foster Payne... Fos Ter Pa Ne... Foster Pay Neee...???"
WTF are they all babbling about???
Oh. Ok *slaps forehead*
This is a shocking example of ineptitude and deliberate attempt to excuse wrong doing.
The structure of the man’s comments clearly indicates that he does not know WHO IS A FARMER and who is not. So “arrest 'em all and let God sort it out"?
They are not "in the wrong place at the wrong time" that is a platitude. They are in prison when they are innocent. That is a travesty and quite un-American. They are in a place that degrades people as a matter of policy. That is un-American but US policy to date.
Let me assume the wingnut position and ask: Why do these liberators hate freedom and dignity so much?
Colonel Foster Payne...recently promoted from Major.
I hear his Best Bud is Ben Dover.
That is the stupidest damn thing I've heard this month. This guy is a Colonel?
He said the American soldiers had forced him to fill bags of sand using a teaspoon
How many times did the less egregious humiliations like the one above occur? hearts and minds, i don't think so.
They refused to allow the Guardian in, but took Fox News and other US networks to cell block 1A where the photographs had been taken.
When they were showing us all those "awesome" nighttime clips of raids against the insurgents, who didn't realise that many innocents were being illegally arrested? (most of america, sadly)
As kei and yuri above, point out, khadar, the cia plant in gauntanamo says most of those guys are likely not guilty. were they let go, no. But what recourse do they have?
I am hopeful, these new revalations are so hideous, that this will surely create a shit storm in the media. As billmon points out in earlier posts, their is a document trail. this is not just "pissed off soldiers" it's endemic in the command structure, and to be gracious, poor leadership, but I think it's far worse. We shall see.
Jeez... that's like General Jack D. Ripper.
... is it true that Viagra was invented by Hugh G. Rection?
That's the name I'm registered as with the RNC... love getting the email alerts!
Better than Stewart [of] Paine?
OT:
I didn't see anything about this on this blog (or other lefty blogs), but apparently Air America Radio is on its last legs. I'm already tired of them bouncing checks - I mean, at what point does their check bouncing actually start to do more harm for our cause than their truth-telling does good? WTF is going on over there?
They've got no press releases on all this nonsense, just a bunch of lefty dittoheads like me who cheer them on as they implode. It's garbage.
We can run the economy, swear!
"Clearly everyone [here] is not a farmer."
He knows this because they admitted as much under torture.
They pick up guys at random and 100% of them confess to being insurgents, talk about a run of good luck!
Sorry, my earlier comment was mistaken. Viagra was actually invented by Dick Harden.
Peter is a Cointelpro plant.
Cointelpro, among much more heinous acts, would mail anonymous letters of concern to people about how Bobby Seale or whoever was not a real leftist, was bringing "our side down", etc.. The sad thing is we don't think of ourselves like that but the only thing protecting LGF from a concerned anonymous letter from us is their cultishness.
i will NOT forgive repugnicans if they do not rebuke george and his minions.
pansypoo:
Ronald Reagan Airport, Highway, Monument, Presidential Library, ten cent coin, etc
Concubines for Sadr! Maybe we can just send all our convicted priests...
"Foster Payne."
Man, either the news is fictitious (I have been suspecting this for about ten years), or God has one wicked sense of humor.
Bad names aside, here's an interesting tidbit from a March 10 CPA briefing:
---Quote begins---
Kimmitt: First of all, we have roughly 9(,000) to 10,000 Iraqi citizens, people holding Iraqi passports, currently in detention as security detainees or as criminal detainees. I don't have the exact numbers -- we can give them to you right after this -- in terms of which are under each category.
In terms of the assertions that we conduct mass sweeps, bring a lot of people in, throw them in the detention facilities, nothing could be further from the truth. Our soldiers are very, very precise in their operations. There are a number of procedures that have to be followed and a number of filters that have to be penetrated before a detainee ends up at Abu Ghraib or one of the other facilities.
We typically have a 72-hour time period in which the unit that captured that person has to demonstrate why that person is an imperative threat to the coalition, which is the legal standard under -- the standard under Article 4 of the Geneva Conventions by which we hold on to persons designated as security detainees.
We have taken the effort and made the effort to put the names of all security and criminal detainees that we hold in coalition facilities on the Internet. It is in Arabic. Anyone has access to that. And if they don't have, perhaps, an Internet at their home, they certainly can go to any of the coalition facilities and look at that list.
---Quote ends---
Wonder how many lies are in that one passage? But it's interesting to know what the official procedures supposedly were.
Here's another retrospectively interesting Gen. Kimmitt quote from the same transcript:
---Quote begins---
Kimmitt: No, I think that's a good point. And that's why we are so insistent upon running what we call the right seat/left seat program, because those soldiers that have been here for a year, six months, mostly a year, are the ones that are best able to acculturate the new soldiers as they come in. Even if you taught many of those same skills in a sterile environment back in the barracks of Fort Hood or in a training environment, such as the Joint Readiness Training Center, it certainly has far more effect when you're in country, when that unit that you're replacing -- you spend 10 to 15 days working alongside them, so those soldiers that have been doing it for a year can sort of explain: "This is how we operate in this area. Here are some of the local signs. Here are some of the expressions you want to use. Here are some of the people you want to meet."
So the number of hours that they encounter and the amount of training they get back in home station probably is not nearly as important as those two weeks that they do the right seat/left seat, when they're actually on the ground, talking to a peer who's been here for an extended period of time,
Ack! Went over the 3000-character limit.
Here's the rest:
---quote continues---
really sort of giving him that local knowledge, that local flavor, teaching him those expressions.
---quote ends---
Gen. Kimmitt was talking about educating our soldiers in the basics of Iraqi culture, but now one can't help but think his remarks have more widespread applicability.
BTW, here is a page of links to recent CentCom press transcripts. They're mostly CPA, with Gen. Kimmitt and Dan Senor. There's some interesting tidbits in there.
Why do you think Tom Lehrer gave up writing satire thirty years ago?
Digging it Deeper - Year Zero
Hmmm. So now we're imprisoning or killing anyone who isn't a farmer?
My guess is that there are some very very damning photos out there somewhere.
You know things are bad when the US Government invokes Saddam to make its recent behaviour seem acceptable in contrast, but now they seem to be aiming their "evil dictator standard" argument even further down the atrocity-comparison-o-meter: "well, at least we're not as bad as Pol Pot".
You hear a lot of stupid remarks from wingnuts about how "those people" in the ME only understand force, which is why we have to be so tough (we're in a war, and stuff, they say) ... Don't these people understand the culture of the ME? Imprison one innocent person, and you'll have his/her whole tribe out for revenge. And half of the boys in the village, and a few girls as well, will become suicide bombers.
Our soldiers will be dying because people who make policy don't know a rats ass about what they are doing. Isn't willfull ignorance a grave sin for this reason?
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