I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Fire Wolfowitz
The neocons are a large vampire snake that every so often lurches from its lair for a blood meal. It then retires to digest its keep and await its next attack.
They're history, and I think they killed all the trees. Crossing my fingers.
Old neo-Cons don't die, they just go to the American Enterprise Institute.
I would hope that this firestorm of corruption,torture,murder and civil rights disintegration,along with the multitude of other wrongs,burns the critters for many many generations.It is inconceivable that this bunch could ever regain power,if,they get booted out of office.
I would hope that the GOP takes a turn in the next cycle and rethinks their position on all issues and realises that the past is not the way to enter the future.
Sadr goes on the attack, exploiting both Fallujah and Abu Ghraib.
Another brick in the wall....
Clearly this is anti-Semitism, what with the vermin and all. The millions of deaths and the blood on the hands of this ethnically varied group of people should not outweigh the fact that they were all declared honorary Jews. By David Brooks we believe. Especially Condileeza Rice. Regular kaffee schnorring yenta that one.
Why is it that so many neocons
1. Didn't serve in Vietnam
2. Haven't worked in the private sector, except as a memeber of the crony class?
Boy, you liberals are in a tizzy over a non issue. Well, you need to realize the grownups are STILL in charge and you really should get over it or leave the country. Toodles!
Funny how Atrios and Billmon are never seen in the same room at the same time.Also they like to post at approximatly the same time.
Hmmm Atrios=Billmon?
David Brooks, by the way, has the power to declare crowds to have been Jewish. He cites some kind of Sanhedrin thing. It's in Aramaic anyway. Trust us.
During their off years, I'm told, the 17-year locusts survive by patiently sucking sap from the roots of trees. The neocons, of course, extract a similar form of sustainance from the bank accounts of conservative think tanks and their donors.
Get rid of the saps.
I propose we make these people's lives a living hell. After they are turned out of office in November they will, as noted, slither back into their holes of think tanks and academia, where they will pore over lists of "lessons learned" from this go-round in power, write books to sell to each other, and plot their comback.
These people think in terms of generations of power.
We need to compile a database. Each and every one of these people, their affiliations, their entourages, their enablers.
And most importantly we need to get out information that they work VERY hard to keep out of the public mind. "American Enterprise Institute" sounds so very NICE, doesn't it? Patriotic, and overtones of "free market" which like anything with the word "free" in it sounds great.
So when they are called to go on TV and commentate and their affiliation is listed under their name, the average non-political-junkie folks have no way of knowing that this is NOT an objective, informed view but a right-wing hack pushing an agenda of evil.
This is an idea-in-progress so i won't rant at any further length. But we're gonna need something to do during the off-season anyway and keeping the bright light of Truth following the cockroaches everywhere they scurry might be one possibility. 
What percentage of neo-cons are Zionists?
well, all of them, in the sense that they want to use Jews and Israelis as human shields and hostages (as they also do with gentile Americans). It's a deep part of the overall philosophy, the idea that dual loyalty should be enshrined as central and our interests cannot be separated from Israel's.
What percentage of neo-cons are Zionists?
Approximately 100%.
we might suck sap from the trees, but at least we dont' suck the governments teat all our lives for foodstamps and pell grants and medicaid. we earn our keep, because we're hard working americans and we know what we want. not like you pussy liberals.
four more years! four more years!
Old Hat, you are an anti-Semite and if we were in the same room together, with thousands of witnesses, I could strike you dead and I would get applause and a medal. So shut up. Shut up. SHUT UP!
What percentage of neo-cons are Zionists?
...depends on you definition of a neo-con. The term is used much more specifically today than it was a decade ago when it usually meant a converted Democrat.
Anon -- I guess you worked really hard inheriting Mom and Dad's $. Yes you did, poor sweet baby. Here's a tax cut and we will never draft you.
Well, I"m a Zionist if by zionist you mean "person who thinks israel has a right to exist."
As trivial as this may be, I must point out: one does not 'wreck havoc', one 'wreaks' it.
Robert
Anon -- I guess you worked really hard inheriting Mom and Dad's $. Yes you did, poor sweet baby. Here's a tax cut and we will never draft you.
fuck you, faggot. hey, at least the man has the audacity to admit it. i have to hand it to you for that! hey, look, this is a war that is really simple, and you limosine driving, caviar eating elitist liberals don't grasp that do you? it's really simple, let me define it. we are good, the enemy is bad. there, is that too much for your perfume encrusted head to ubsorb? these people want to kill us, okay? and yeah, war is ugly, and a very slim majority take it over the line, but look at what they did to us in fallujah! an eye for an eye, as an old proverb says.
four more years!!! four more years!!!
I'm not a Zionist because I don't subscribe to any ideology but I obviously think Israel has a right to exist -- alongside Palestine.
I find Liknudnik-style Zionism repulsive, which is what the neocon ideology is closely associated with.
What I'm sure Rahim isn't aware of is noted critic Noam Chomsky is somewhat of a Zionist to this very day -- except it's that dippy-hippy kibutznik/agrarian Zionism that emphasizes raising chickens instead of razing Palestinian buildings.
Cheney said today that Rumsfeld's 'the best Secretary of Defense the country's ever had,' and 'that people ought to get off his back and let him do his job.'
Nobody can say it like six-deferment Dick, mixing, as he does, the plaintive with the desperate, trying to justify his own self-advertisements as the 'best vice-president in history,' hoping apparently by his tone and demeanor that his words won't be tonight's lead for Saturday Night Live.
Cheney, Rusmfeld, Bush, Rice, Evans--- the whole snake pit can see it coming, the experiment is almost over, history is aboout to get even.
They're not gone yet. Though buried is certainly a nice image...
hey, at least the man has the audacity to admit it.
Use the dictionary first before you make clumsy use of fancy-sounding words you don't understand.
So shut up. Shut up. SHUT UP!
Hahahhhaa!You blatering idiot.Whats the matter?Does the truth hurt you too much,or is it the fact that the truth is setting you free and you like being in bondage?Why do you wingers bother comming here and try to spew you scum thinking around?Why do you feel it necessary to spread you incorrect thinking and hate mongering ways?I find you to be so far out in left (or is it right) feild that I cannot see you for all the fog your dear leader has spread out to obfuscate the landscape.
yeah, war is ugly, and a very slim majority take it over the line,
Very slim majority? Explain. Did you get some talking points badly confused... I mean, don't you always have a mandate?
but look at what they did to us in fallujah!
To who? Us? A bunch of mercs? Fuck them. We did about 700 of them. Don't you have a big enough boner yet? And besides, don't yuo wingers seem to grasp these prison abuses you belittle so much happened LAST YEAR? Have you ever considered that some ex-prisoners might have a few anti-American feelings? I thought not. Not that it excuses what happened, but explains?
Saturday Night Live did lead with Rumsfeld-Bush and killed the audience with a lip to lip kiss and embrace; it started slow but ended with a bang---and is sure to get press coverage. It was a score for Democrats.
Billmon is SO good, AND he writes really well, just from a stylistic standpoint y'see.
Anonymous, don't you mean "Four more wars"?
Hey, Chomsky the Man's onto something there! Zionism used to just be that hippy-dippy chicken-raising, kibbutz-building, nation-forming stuff, not the Likudnik crap -- and a lot of people rightly get insulted when you confuse the two.
I'm a Zionist too, because I figure that as soon as you start talking about whether or not nations created by fiat (or colonization) by other nations have the "right to exist" or not, you have to take that all the way, and that extrapolation leaves a hell of a lot of us (you, me, and half the world) with no countries at all. Fuck that. Israel exists. Now let's fix it.
Did the whole Fajullah thing happen a couple months after the recently revealed torturing thing? Someone said yesterday the reason they shut down Sadr's newspaper was because of some uncomfortable photographs it was printing. Reckon there's a connection? As far as the "eye for an eye" thing goes, that's got nothing to do with revenge, but justice. It means, basically, don't kill someone if they plucked out your eye, which used to be the way before the guy some call the Prince of Peace came along. And for cryin' out loud, can't wingnut dingbats come up with a better argument than "he hit me first"?
And what in sam hell is a "slim majority"? Does that mean 51% of the soldiers in Iraq are torturing prisoners? Jee-zus...
Finally...limosine-driving liberals. Umm, look, son, here's how it works. Rich folks who own and/or rent limosines rarely drive them theirselves. They get other folks to do it. Quibbling semantics, I know, but come on. Try to make some sense, okay?
it's really simple, let me define it. we are good, the enemy is bad. there, is that too much for your perfume encrusted head to ubsorb? these people want to kill us, okay?
If I know my history,it was never Iraqi's that wanted to kill us in the first place.You have been so brainwashed as to forget that Saddam was never tied to 9/11.Iraq has never had a beef with us excpt when we try to kill them.
Lest you forget our real enemy (other than Bush) is Osama Bin Laden,and your dear leader has conviently decided to leave him out of the equation.You follow so blindly and unquestionly that you forget what our main objective is!
And for the record,I have never been inside a limo,have never eaten caviar,and my "perfume encrusted head to ubsorb" would never think of getting in the way of making rational decesions reguarding the state of our nation,unlike the wingnuts running this country high on the fevered scent of blood.
Chomsky was actually on a kibbutz for a time, (a real Stalinist place, in the Fifties), and he left because of the betrayal of freedoms he saw. How many of the other kind of Zionist lived in Israel?
K&Y, not Stalinist, anarchist.
Backslider: I'd like to see that connection. That could be cool, solid, rational, maybe even the final straw.
Fire Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and Boykin.
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Old Hat, Chomsky is an Anarchist, not the commune. Stalinism wasn't "bad" in the early Fifties, least of all in Israel where so many people remembered what side Stalin had been on, and looked at him as a kind of head of all Socialisms. He described it as a real Stalinist place in a letter to Cockburn, and said in a kind of biograghy that this place was definitely not to be confused with "anarchist".
Didn't know that. I always thought it was an anarchist joint. Thanks.
"Chomsky for Beginners" (American and more, ah, accessible), also, "Understanding Chomsky" (British and much more wordy and deep).
"Chomsky for Beginners" (American and more, ah, accessible), also, "Understanding Chomsky" (British and much more wordy and deep).
kei & yuri | Email | Homepage | 05.09.04 - 1:03 am | #
Them like that "How To Understand Stephen Hawkins' A Brief History Of Time" books? I often wonder what it says about mankind's intelligence when we have to have books to explain other books.
Well, they're combination biographical sketches with interviews clarifying (and necessarily to an extent simplifying) his philosophy and his accomplishments. And they have pictures.
I think some people here may be getting too clever for our own good.
A growing number of posts are evincing the apparent "not getting" of certain (what appear to me to be) parodies of how our more conservative friends might react to some bit of news ref'd by Atrios. I've seen sincere (and sometimes outraged) replies to posts I'm nearly certain were made in jest.
In the long run, this might turn out to be a bad thing, with certain people believing certain other people actually think in a manner that maybe isn't as fair a representation of their true sentiments as it should be... if that makes any sense.
Irony is tricky. Be careful!
Books to explain other books: all of Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu and Zoroastrian literature up to a certain, rather modern, point. And then the pagan philosophers were expanding on oral tradition...wish Robert M Jeffers were here...
kei & yuri,
Ooooh, groovy. I like pictures. But I get Chomsky, like I got Hawkins. May take me a couple reads, but I get it.
Still...I like pictures, too.
Them like that "How To Understand Stephen Hawkins' A Brief History Of Time" books? I often wonder what it says about mankind's intelligence when we have to have books to explain other books.
Backslider
yeah, I think the slide started with all those "Guide to the Bible" type books
And they have pictures.
Hahaha. Are they cartoons and diagrams with arrows pointing in different directions -- "You get screwed this way."
yeah, I think the slide started with all those "Guide to the Bible" type books
preznit giv me turkee | Email | Homepage | 05.09.04 - 1:13 am | #
As I've said oft before, agnostic though I may be, I've never had the balls to say, "No, here's what the Creator Of Everything really meant!"
What we liked about Beginners was in one slim cheap volume you get an overview of his life (including the kibbutz detail, and also his reaction to German prisoners interred in Pennsylvania!!!), an explanation of his linguistic philosophy (his real claim to fame, which sort of scientifically vindicates the idea of freedom, has to do with BFSkinner), and more than you would get with a conversation with some AnarchoTeen™.
"AnarchoTeen™"
Isn't that the place in the mall where one can purchase "official punk clothing" and proper hair-dyeing paraphenalia?
naw, that's Hot Topic.
tell us you ignore the Afro-Ken corsets and Rainbow Brite panties and glorious Gothic Renaissance gowns and...stuff.
tell us you ignore the Afro-Ken corsets and Rainbow Brite panties and glorious Gothic Renaissance gowns and...stuff.
kei & yuri | Email | Homepage | 05.09.04 - 1:41 am | #
Who, me? I have no idea what any of that is, frankly. You're talking to a cat who's entire wardrobe consists of three pairs of blue jeans, a dozen concert t-shirts and maybe six flannel shirts. Fashion is not my strong suit; I'd make the "Queer Eye" cats break down and bawl.
I'm not neccessarily proud of it, but I find the older I get, the harder it is for me to take someone who spends that much time on their apparel and hair too seriously. Even weirder, I find myself more attracted to the librarian look and ther lawyer/accountant power skirt type thing.
I don't even wanna know what that says about me.
Just why is it that fucking hacks like rahim are always telling folks that disagree with them to leave the country. What the fuck's with that?
I'll bet if you walk down any street and ask people if they know what a neo con is, you'd get nothing but blank stares. American is mostly tuned out.
Tuned out? No shit. Why do you think these cocksuckers have gotten away with the shit they have?
can we send them to GITMO?
>I'm not a Zionist because I don't subscribe to any ideology but I obviously think Israel has a right to exist -- alongside Palestine.
If you think Israel has a right to exist then you're a Zionist whether you like to call yourself one or not. Your statement makes about as much sense as saying "I hate gay people but I'm not a homophobe."
Cicadas. Not locusts.
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This looks a lot like Bush in his flight suit.
Oops, try this one:
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I reject this analogy. If they were like locusts, DeLay should have to pump a burning slug into each of them, before turning the gun on himself.
Actually I've often thought that the Bush administration really doesn't care whether or not they win the next election. Their mission was to get in, do as much damage to the nation as possible and get out. Mission Accomplished, eh?
If you think Israel has a right to exist then you're a Zionist whether you like to call yourself one or not.
Oh really, so is any plot between people who think Israel has a right to exist, a Zionst plot? This should really simplify things for the "conspiracy theorists".
Chomsky was actually on a kibbutz for a time, (a real Stalinist place, in the Fifties
I don't think you can describe the kibbutzes as 'Stalinist places' -- leftist, communal, socialist, yes, but Stalinist, I don't think so.
If you think Israel has a right to exist then you're a Zionist whether you like to call yourself one or not. Your statement makes about as much sense as saying "I hate gay people but I'm not a homophobe."
esther
Look, obviously meanings have changed over the last 50 or so years -- like "zionism", "Stalinist", and one of the biggest: "democracy" in the u.s.
Streaker- he did, not us. Referring to support of Stalin, not actual direct totalitarian control by Stalin.
esther-so at what point does "Zionist" become meaningless?
Wouldn't you have to prefix it with "fundamentalist Z.", "socialist Z.", "practicing true blue Jews ONLY and screw the reformed Z.", "relatively mildly religious Z.", etc?
Or do you deny that the Right commits gross slight-of-hand by equating all Israeli terrorism as vital to Israeli survival, thus "supporting the right to exist" is really the same thing as "supporting their superiority to human law"?
How can you possibly support Israel's right to exist-as a human nation bound by international law and human standards of decency-and be uncritical? What Sharon supports is a right to exist differently than anyone else exists.
same analogy (locusts/neocons)made by Chinua Achebe (locusts/colonialists)
in "Things Fall Apart".
same analogy (locusts/neocons)made by Chinua Achebe (locusts/colonialists)
in "Things Fall Apart".
Another seething opinion? Not worth further comment.............
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