I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I had the first comment in that KOS thread yesterday, and the first in this one today??
November cannot possibly come fast enough.
For whatever reason, my computer and Daily Kos just don't get along.
Can someone provide my with an address to view the clip directly without going to DK?
Much obliged,
Unbelievable.
You don't need to don tinfoil when incompetence will explain some of these things.
TheaLogie
Really? Then how do you explain this?
"Forbes stated that Fiduciary Trust was one of the WTC’s first occupants after it was erected, and that a “power-down” had never been initiated prior to this occasion. He also stated that his company put forth a huge investment in time and resources to take down their computer systems due to the deliberate power outage. This process, Forbes recalled, began early Saturday morning (September 8th) and continued until mid-Sunday afternoon (September 9th) – approximately 30 hours. As a result of having its electricity cut, the WTC’s security cameras were rendered inoperative, as were its I.D. systems, and elevators to the upper floors."
More at:
http://globalresearch.ca/article...es/
THO404A.html
here's the direct link (Windows media)
he looks terrible there-- like some kind of undertaker--- which kind of makes sense I guess.
Didn't think his goofing around was as bad as I was led to believe though.
thanks steve
mmm...now I want a caipirinha
Remember, its not "I"ncompetence, its "W"incompetence.
Bob the Machine-- that article is pretty strange, although certainly lots of people have speculated about such things.
I don't quite get the theory though. If you're flying airplanes into the WTC, why do you need to set off bombs as well?
Can't wait to see how this looks in the movie. And what other strange Bush footage there might be...
Can't wait to see how this looks in the movie. And what other strange Bush footage there might be...
I ASK AGAIN: HOW IN THE HELL DID THIS IDIOT GET SELECTED? Wait, that's a rhetorical question: the conservative machine chose him (just like reagan) because he's an idiot!
Is there a clip out there somewhere that shows bush pumping his fists in the air and saying "feels good"?
I've heard about it but haven't seen it.
Does it even exist, or was this just reported to have happened?
"We live in fictitious times, where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president.
"We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons."
The most serious speech in his presidency... and he looks and acts like a 5 year old.
I guess it wasn't weighing too heavily on his mind. I'm disgusted!
I don't quite get the theory though. If you're flying airplanes into the WTC, why do you need to set off bombs as well?
Becuase the WTC building collapses appear to be timed implosions (have you ever seen a downtown bldg demolition).
Those implosions, and the building collapses only serve to reinforce the horror.
Image 1: Planes hitting WTC
Image 2: WTC 1 collapse
Image 3: WTC 2 collapse
The theory is that was a massive cold-blooded psy-op.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/THO404A.html
Bob the Machine
Bob,
That's a seriously stoked article. Once again it's interesting that it's the media from Canada that does detailed investigative journalism, while here we get CNN Presents Little Bush on the Prarie.
What kind of sadistic fuck clowns around before announcing he's starting a god damned war? Fucking media has had this footage for 18 months.
We need to take back this country from this Jason Vorhees wannabe's.
This is truly fucked up.
Thanks Atrios for linking to my entry on Kos.
I linked to the clip before in the comments here, but it never seemed to "click".
Oh, and if you wanna see Rumsfeld go around Europe, blowing things up, go to
http://wstreaming.zdf.de/300/
030...frontal21_6.asx
(or click on Homepage)
"There's Adam Clymer, major-league asshole from The New York Times."
"Oh yeah. Big Time."
I guess it wasn't weighing too heavily on his mind. I'm disgusted!
JAL
It wasn't weighing heavily on his mind at all. The decision had been made years before. It's a happy moment -- finally going ahead. All he has to do is pretend gravity for a few minutes and then, waaa-hooo! Over to Chalabi's for the party.
Is there a clip out there somewhere that shows bush pumping his fists in the air and saying "feels good"?
I've heard about it but haven't seen it.
Does it even exist, or was this just reported to have happened?
mac
mac, yeah, that has bothered me big time ever since I read about it (I think CBS or Time, can't remember) Anyway, I have no clue as to whether there is video.
Compare with Nancy Pelosi:
“‘I consider it one of the great disappointments of my public life that I couldn’t use my influence to stop this war,’ Pelosi said somberly as the first wave of shock and awe began …” (Marc Sandalow, “Pelosi Picks Her Way Through Brambles Of War,” The San Francisco Chronicle, 3/30/03)
The Rethugs are attacking her on this in their Pelosi attack file.
I love her for it.
The absolute BEST thing about Chalabi apparently using the Bush Administration to do Iran's bidding politically for Democrats.
Unlike Abu Ghraib, there's no downside for hitting Bush on this and hitting him hard.
This is one for the Democratic Leadership to take off after "W" tomorrow over his "W"incompetence.
Take the gloves off.
Why do I feel I'm not alone in understanding how the Germans would know more than any other people how destructive dictators can be and how they should be stopped before they can start dictatorin'
Do I remember having seen a version of this clowning video with audio at some point? I vaguely remember there was a clip of this some time back that had originally run on Belgian(?) TV?
Dutch TV had it. The BBC had it. It was an unintended live feed. No audio from the White House until the mike is switched on.
I had the first comment in that KOS thread yesterday, and the first in this one today??
steve
Ummm, let me check my log.......Yes, Steve you did. Very good! I'll make a little note here.....
He's happy because he thinks he's doing a good thing, a noble thing: getting rid of a persistent threat to the United States and liberating an oppressed people, beginning a new era for the Middle East. It was going to be morally clear (i.e., "lots of scary-sounding weapons will be found, many links to truly despicable terrorists whom Iraq has directly sponsored") and the occupation will be easy (i.e., "pay for itself, with exiles moving in easily to run an existing bureaucracy").
Sincerity: we shouldn't assume Bush fakes it. There's a new bio of Stalin out--a man much more murderous and black-heared than Bush--that explains Stalin's cold-heartedness simply. He, like Mao, or like Hitler, believed in what he was doing. The purges were necessary, regrettable, but necessary, to the flowering of the Soviet state. The ends were worthy, and the means justified.
You know, sincerity and integrity are over-rated. I mean, Charles Manson was sincere. He was just deranged.
The Smirkster fell off his bike in Crawford (yeah sure) early this afternoon. He was on a 17 mile ride in the 90-degree heat (Um hmmm) and fell of at mile 16. He has a speech tomorrow and Faux Snooze says the evidence will be on his face like the "pretzel" incident.
He probably fell off the wagon and not his bike.
Zoiks. Can anyone post a linky? Google has deemed it insuffienciently newsworthy for its News service...
The AP story, which most US newspapers will pick up, claims that critics view Fahrenheit 911 as inferior to Bowling for Columbine. Of course, every review I've read claimed just the reverse. But if the reporter acknowledged this, it would take some wind from the claim that the prize was only the result of its anti-Bush politics.
"While Fahrenheit 9/11 was well-received by Cannes audiences, many critics felt it was inferior to Moore's Academy Award-winning documentary Bowling for Columbine, which earned him a special prize at Cannes in 2002.
Some critics speculated that if Fahrenheit 9/11 won the top prize, it would be more for the film's politics than its cinematic value."
http://www.usatoday.com/life/mov...nes-
moore_x.htm
The Smirkster fell off his bike in Crawford...
OMG, nur al cubicle posted that Bush fell off his bike when he heard about Moore winning the Palme d'Or, and I thought he was kidding.
What a spaz. I hope they don't let him drive a car anytime soon. He's already driving the country into the ground.
They shouldn't have taken the training wheels off.
Ohh, for Pete's sake. Like judging a movie on the basis of what the 'Mail on Sunday' (to use a British analogy) has to say about it, when all the rest of the quality broadsheets have given it at least one thumb up...
Zaine Ridling: I ASK AGAIN: HOW IN THE HELL DID THIS IDIOT GET SELECTED?
Today's conservatives are very anti-intellectual. That's why they elect morons like Raygun and Dubya. They don't understand that it takes smart people to invent weapons.
What an extraordinary story to flag up. Rather like the 'pretzel' incident, one supposes. I suppose it could be a sort of 'to err is human' story which his supporters would find endearing? Or something?
The fall occurred shortly after this picture was taken
Weird. The headlines should read "Bush Falls on Face." That would be an appropriate headline for almost any point in the Bush administration.
But honestly, the Bush pre-speech video isn't all that bad. It's not like you couldn't take little bits out of context and make this kind of jokey video out of ANYONE's preparations. And that dumb music was way over the top.
oops shortly after THIS picture was taken
ah, fuck it.
attaturk, Yahoo sucks doesn't it. But I imagine anyone can see the pic by going to Yahoo Pictures and searching for BUSH + BIKE
Gotta agree with charlie -- the music is over the top. Watch it without the sound, and mentally edit out the old silent-movie type of titles, and it's not that egregious. I really, really, really dislike Bush on a /visceral/ level, but this is not a terribly convincing clip to nonbelievers.
Yeah, I don't buy this WTC was a pys ops thing for a second. First off, if these guys were that coldbooded and (more importantly) clever, they would have "found" stocks of WMD in Iraq because they would have been prepared to plant them.
And if they weren't ready cause they really expected to find WMDs there, then they would have gotten their shit together and planted them by now. These folks are just simply arrogant and incompetant. They lie about big things, but they aren't purposefully engineering attacks on our soil.
Just look at the Chalabi situation, the administration is finally turning on him even though there has been strong evdience for 10 years that this guy is a lying douchebag in bed with Iraq. These guys are blind and until rude facts intrude upon their preconceived notion they continue to believe they are doing what's best for America's security.
I am freakin sick of the extranious 9/11 bullcrap also.
Just got dragged to a bunch of infowars.com militia types video meeting. They spent half the time in my face about how Bush and Kerry were just alike and skull and crossbones wants to rule the world.
Its just the Black Helicopter people adding Bush to the hate list. They went on and on about Bush planned to have the UN come in and takeover the US. Excuse me? Bush is a lacky of the UN?
Total incompetance on 9/11 is more than enough, and so was a fully laden 767 with a full load of fuel.
Watch the discovery channel for gods sake.
They have layed it out several times about what caused those towers to collapse.
Next youre going to tell me I didnt see the freakin planes crash with my own eyes
Do yourself a favor and go out and campaign for Kerry. You'll meet some peole, get some sun, and actually accomplish something.
i don't care where, but i going to that movie.
ts just the Black Helicopter people adding Bush to the hate list. They went on and on about Bush planned to have the UN come in and takeover the US. Excuse me? Bush is a lacky of the UN?
Total incompetance on 9/11 is more than enough, and so was a fully laden 767 with a full load of fuel.
What the fuck are you smoking dude? I haven't heard anyone claiming black helicopter shit.
As for the WTC being wired for destructive implosions, why do you dismiss it? Are you claiming our country has never done anything to destroy its own people?
Ever heard of Conintelpro? Tuskeegee? The LSD experiments?
Fucking god-damned head in sand ass is what you are.
"Watch the discovery channel for gods sake.
They have layed it out several times about what caused those towers to collapse."
You're a friggin idiot. Do you know who owns the Discovery Channel? The same punts who own ABC. Who happen to be the punts THAT WOULD NOT RELEASE the Michael Moore movie.
Shitheads like you just can't seem to understand that the US media is NOT going to analyze this or any other issue properly.
Do you know who owns the Discovery Channel? The same punts who own ABC. Who happen to be the punts THAT WOULD NOT RELEASE the Michael Moore movie.
Actually its worse. Discovery Channel is owned by Liberty Media, who are afflated with News Corp., which is the parent company of none other than Fox News.
Anything political on Discovery should be taken with a grain of salt.
What the fuck are you smoking dude? I haven't heard anyone claiming black helicopter shit.
I wish I was smoking some Northern lights. I have heard all the crap you are saying. I agree that these paticular group of facists might just do this shit, but there is enough problems getting just the meme that Bush is an incompetent moron without the tinfoil brigade making us all seem like a bunch of loonies.
Shorter me. This crap doesnt help.
We arent getting to do diddly shit untill Bush is gone. If you arent doing anything to accomplish this goal then shut the hell up.
I am ex-milatary and watched with my owneyes cocaine being loaded by play soldier spooks onto Soauthern Air Transport c-130s for direct transport to elgin air force base for transhipment to favored mafia Dons.
We left our TO&E down there in direct defiance of a congressional mandate against it.
All good old fashion conspiricies that got swallowed up in that good old black hole of, "my goverment wouldn't do that".
So from that personal expeience I would say that unless you have proof positive of your little theories, than you are being harmfull to the greater good.
As for the Black Helicopter people, I will say again what I said before. They have the same theory. Bombs were used to bring down the WTC, but then they elaborate that that was down so the UN could come in and take away everybodys guns.
The company you keep old.
And if you cuss me out again I will come through your LAN connection and rip off your head and shit down your neck.
You sound just like those militia types when I said I supported Kerry.
Dont become what you hate.
Anything political on Discovery should be taken with a grain of salt
It was political. It was an engineering discussion of why the buildings failed.
Thank you for not cussing me and proving two people can have a rational conversation.
My opinion is a fully fuel loaded 767 crashed into the WTC was more than enough to do it.
The explosion rather than implosion was caused by a girder faliure do to the cintral core construction method used.
My opinion may be wrong, but it is at least as valid as the tinfiol brigade above.
But of course they are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
Kind of like republicans that way
sorry
It was political=it was not political.
Damn my spelling sucks.
Thats why you should never offer a rebuttal when you would really just like to strangle someone instead.
There was also unrepaired damage from the earlier explosion, as well as large amounts of potentially explosive material stored in the basement as fuel. But the whole thing is moot until we grab these filthy liars by the career-jugular and force them to admit what they know. No "documentary" or "explanation" can effectively take place because of the at best suspicious behavior of the White House.
A good and easy standard would be, did the "documentary" mention the high number of unprecedented wierd things here? The refusal to let the authorities who investigate every crash investigate these? The military bases the planes flew right over? The refusal to do anything about them, except in Pennsylvania?
Actually the main one I was refering to was strictly an engineering disscussion of the mechanics of the structural failure.
You reference to the whole thing is moot was my original point.
Bush out first. Then back to back 24/7 investigations.
I can get conspiricy minded also
-for instance
How did it cime to be that the FBI guy O'Niel who pretty much had it called ended up dying on his first day on the job as the new security cheif of the WTC?
Things that make you go HMMMMMM?
But I keep these opinions to myself when trtying to convert sheep.
Just pointing out that we used to hold presidents accountable for the things that happen on their watch is pretty powerfull with the food units.
it's as if Dale Gribble were prezident
There is a word in Germany that well describes what our President is: shitteflingenchimpen.
Them Germans got a word for everything...
shitteflingenchimpen?
That's definitely not a german word. He simply is an Arschloch.
Caipirinha - that reminds me,
OT, but IMO funny:
"Was ist der Unterschied zwischen einer normalen Schlange und einer Autoschlange?
An der normalen Schlange befindet sich das Arschloch hinten."
Back OT, I guess in this country the a-hole is located at the top.
And thanks for the Fernseh clip.
15 AUG 2003: A year ago Bush wasn't a cyclist. Now he's riding almost 20-milers. Doubtful.
"We invited Bush on a mountain bike ride," said Peter Heumann, promoter of the Southern California Bicycle Expo and member of the Concerned Off Road Bicyclists Association (CORBA). "He said it's something he's never done but would like to try."
jicket - one more thing that he tried and failed at.
We posted the entire clip here for those who'd like to download it and enjoy it again, and again, and again... 
need this for college project
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