I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
ding dong the bastards dead.
Wha--?
Finally! Thanks, A-MAN!
Nice JohnTomato. That is real classy. When will you do your next impersonation of Emperor Misha?
Er, I mean how was your evening? Didja hear? Smarty lost and RR passed beyond the veil! Wow.
Reagan, Reagan, Reagan, blah, blah, blah.
Steve Gilliard sums up, in much more intelligent fashion than I could, everything that sucked about Uncle Ronnie.
You know, there was a time when I sympathized with how wingnuts see Reagan. When I was nine, I put a Reagan sign in my yard. Made it all by myself. Reagan was going to keep bad people away from me and help my dad make money. The President was like Superman, but not so much with the tights.
Thing is, I grew up and started reading stuff, which is why I no longer see him that way.
Wingnuts, sadly, seem not to have taken that crucial step.
A.
Nice biography of Chalabi here: http://polemic.enduphere.com
What's going on with lunaville.org? Can't get to the Iraq Coalition Casualties site.
What's going on with lunaville.org? Can't get to the Iraq Coalition Casualties site.
For the rest of my life, whenever someone says, "This just in, Ronald Wilson Reagan is still dead!", I will smile and laugh!
Now would be a good time for somebody to "leak" to the press that Ron Reagan Jr.'s on the list of possible veepee's for Kerry.
RR Jr. hates George Bush. And he's a hardcore Democrat. It would really stick in the craw of the Republicans. It's certain that this week they will try to exploit this by comparing GW to Ronald Reagan. And, we can predict, somebody will bring up the idea of putting him on Mount Rushmore.
He's sitting on the cornering blubbering like an ugly girl.
Well you don't know me but I know you
And I've got a message to give to you
Here come the planes
So you better get ready, ready to go
You can come as you are but pay as you go.
Pay as you go.
And I said: Ok. Who is this really? And the voice said:
this is the hand, the hand that takes. This is the hand, the hand that takes. Here come the planes.
They're American planes. Made in America.
Smoking or non smoking?
Ans the voice said: Neither snow nor rain nor gloom of night shall stay these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.
'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice.
And when justice is gone, there's always force.
And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi Mom!
It's always sad when someone passes, but Ronnie shoulda' gone to jail.
Expect a massive effort to revise history using Grover Norquist's talking points for the next two weeks.
I sure Karl Rove is beside himself, though. He was trying to keep the Gipper alive until the Democratic Convention.
Fucking Reagan. How dare he die and take off my grand D Day coverage. If he was a real republican the old bastard would have died in the midst of the Abu Ghraib mess.
FahCubeUsh
They changed the web address to icasualties.org
Something positive about the late Ronald Reagan?........
Please help me.........
Maybe a question to start things of: How much credit should Reagan get for the fall of the Soviet Empire?
Secondly, on which points were or are the liberals mistaken about Reagan?
Great news that fucking Ronnie Raygun is dead, hope he rots in Hell. And I hope that cunt Nancy Reagan dies from the most painful cancer possible.
Just wanted to call attention to a reference in Daily Kos about Vernon Robinson, an African-American GOPer running for Congress in North Carolina's 5th district. He includes a link to a disgusting radio ad Robinson is playing bashing illegal aliens. Here is the link:
http://vernonrobinson.com/Illega...Alien%
20MP3.wma
Play the ad. You will be speechless. The fact that Robinson's website has endorsements from such respectable Republicans as Jack Kemp does not bode well for their side. I think we need to call attention to this guy and the fact that the GOP establishment is behind him. The ad reveals a faction of conservatism that the GOP tries to deny exists. I wonder how the Latino population would react.
Wonder what IATL stands for?
You know, I built model war planes when I was nine, and then I wasn't nine, and I wondered why I was building model warplanes, and I stopped.
Why can't republicans stop?
Are republicans all nine?
Why did rr think it was funny to 'start bombing in five minutes'?
If I could stop, I wanted to believe they could to.
But I'm forty now, and can't beleive like that anymore. I mourn that loss.
We don't need no steenkin' oil.......
http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/...uel/
biooils.htm
IATL: you are a freeper Troll.
Several instructions:
1) put your tiny wang back in your pants.
2) put down the comic book
3) stop fantasizing about buxom women who only exist in the Marvel universe.
That is all.
Meanwhile Cheney admits that federal prosecutors have questioned him regarding Plame.
I hope indictments soon. They could save a lot of time and trouble by sending Novak to Gitmo for a few days.
i saw the Lord Of The Rings spin on TNRO and I gotta say, it's a little too soon to be dissing reagan so hard as to compare to the dark lord Sauron.
If Reagan was Sauron, then Kerry must be Aragorn or Frodo and Rove is certainly Gollum (or Wormtongue).
class...
Statement from Senator John Kerry on the Death of Ronald Reagan
June 05, 2004
For Immediate Release
Boston, MA
Senator John Kerry released the following statement today:
“Ronald Reagan's love of country was infectious. Even when he was breaking Democrats hearts, he did so with a smile and in the spirit of honest and open debate. Despite the disagreements, he lived by that noble ideal that at 5pm we weren't Democrats or Republicans, we were Americans and friends. President Reagan and Tip O'Neill fought hard and honorably on many issues, and sat down together to happily swap jokes and the stories of their lives. The differences were real, but because of the way President Reagan led, he taught us that there is a big difference between strong beliefs and bitter partisanship.
“He was the voice of America in good times and in grief. When we lost the brave astronauts in the Challenger tragedy, he reminded us that, ‘Nothing ends here; our hopes and our journeys continue.’
“Now, his own journey has ended-a long and storied trip that spanned most of the American century-and shaped one of the greatest victories of freedom. Today in the face of new challenges, his example reminds us that we must move forward with optimism and resolve. He was our oldest president, but he made America young again.
“Our prayers are with his family, and the wife he loved in a way all the world could see. And to the end, she loved him with courage and complete devotion. She helped all of us better understand the cruel disease that took him away before it took his life, and what we must do to prevent and cure it.
“Teresa and I and our family extend our deepest sympathies to Nancy Reagan and the Reagan family. Today, from California to Maine - ‘from sea to shining sea’ - Americans will bow their heads in prayer and gratitude that President Reagan left such an indelible stamp on the nation he loved.”
Thanks Toonscribe
RR Jr. as veep? You gotta be kidding me. The guy announces dog shows.
IATL: Go join the other side. Maybe they want you. We don't.
Veritas
Yeah, but do you really wanna see pictures of Novak naked on a dog leash?
John Campanelli - are ILLEGAL aliens ok with you?
Like in Them?
Toonscribe- cameras have been banned. Not to prevent anything, but pictures.
Toonscribe, for fuck's sake! You get 5 minutes in the penalty box for that one. I think I'm straight now....
Toonscribe, for fuck's sake! You get 5 minutes in the penalty box for that one. I think I'm straight now....
Toonscribe, for fuck's sake! You get 5 minutes in the penalty box for that one. I think I'm straight now....
Maybe a question to start things of: How much credit should Reagan get for the fall of the Soviet Empire?
Puppet strings showing?
I've been told that during the D-day speech broadcast on CSPAN, a voice could clearly be overheard telling the Chimperor what to say next.
veritas:
Did you listen to the ad? If you did, you would see that my concern is not illegal aliens. It's the baseness of the ad. And if you think that portraying all illegal aliens in the manner that Robinson does -- as lawless, vicious Latino rapists and murderers, nothing more than animals -- then I guess he's your kind of candidate and the GOP is your kind of party.
laurie anderson, 1982
Thanks for that blast of cold clear air.
o superman
I know this is an open-"ended" thread, but is anybody willing to discuss the the story of the "hour" and Reagan's eight years as president and career as actor. I know how to curse too, but it's not even midnight of the man's death so I hope some of you will keep it more reflective than vindictive.
Carlton, thanks for posting that. Everyone should follow his example. Downright presidential. As opposed to the incomprehensible statement made by our current president.
John Campanelli - Nope, didn't listen to his ad. The R is not my party, I just have no tolerance for illegal aliens.
Favorite headline of the day-
Pope meets the Dope
The internal contradictions of the Soviet system is what did it in. I remember seeing infant mortality rates for the USSR in 1971, they were at 3rd world levels. It was plain that they were falling apart.
The threat was to the US was exagerated for profit.
The question we should all discuss is at what point in Reagan's 8 years in office did he start developing Alzheimers?
I liked Reagan.
I will say this. He was a good leader but a poor president.
The second question is, how can a person be one but not both?
The third question is what do the left and the right see in their country's leader?
I think the left wants a public servant. A person able to look out for the interests of the people from the standpoint that a preacher looks after his flock, without the religion. Someone who makes sure that the interests of power does not reside in him or her but in the people they serve.
Now the right seem to want a king. Someone who is a leader and not a servent. They want a crutch to satisfy both their religious leadership needs and their public leadership needs. They want a human christ. A person who can serve as steward to the throne on earth till Christ's return.
Of course their definition of christianity is that for white land owners rather than anyone else, but that is a different story.
As for the person above you laughed at Reagan's death, please don't. I admired his football movie rolls, even if the acting was piss poor.
MYOB'
.
arrg fucking haloscan and tags with capital letters.... (But why did it eat the rest of the post?)
My answer to the Reagan/USSR question is: Not Much. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did more fromt he US side. And Gorby should get 95% of the credit on the poltical side. The Reaganites were still claiming that the collapse of the USSR was ploy to get us to lower our defenses until about '95. Wolfowitz wrote a paper in '92(?) that "we should invade Russia NOW!!!
veritas:
I guess I should have characterized the ad for what it truly is: a xenophobic diatribe against all Latinos wrapped in the issue of illegal aliens. Listen to the ad and then tell me if you too are not appalled.
I do think Reagan did not cause the USSR collapse, but he did expedite it. By spending so much (deficit of course) money on US military, he caused the USSR to go bankrupt, trying to keep up.
"Puppet strings showing?
I've been told that during the D-day speech broadcast on CSPAN, a voice could clearly be overheard telling the Chimperor what to say next.
Ad Absurdum"
I saw that, and didn't know what to make of it. It was carried live, except everything that came from Bush's mouth was heard by someone else. Or maybe it was him being telekinetic. I don't know, it was really strange.
I will say this. He was a good leader but a poor president.
The second question is, how can a person be one but not both?
Acting lessons.
Gilliard sums up Reagan here.
Me? I have no class. I just put up a picture of Reagan honoring the SS with a wreath. Kind of a combined D-Day, Ronnie thing.
he caused the USSR to go bankrupt, trying to keep up.
I'm looking for the actual numbers on USSR defense spending, but I'm pretty sure that I saw the whole "spend them into oblivion" theory crushed as a revionist myth.
Why hasn't ANY of the "popular" blogs picked up this story?
Cheney has been questioned by federal prosecutors in the Plame Affair!
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/0.../05LEAK.html?
hp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
uselec...1232410,00.html
She helped all of us better understand the cruel disease that took him away before it took his life, and what we must do to prevent and cure it.
A classy little jab from the Kerry team, since it points out that Nancy was no friend of the Bushies when it comes to stem-cell research.
(And Bush really did say 'tie-ranny'. Dear gods.)
Link Here:
Neither the strong nor the weak version of the proposition that American defense spending bankrupted the Soviet economy and forced an end to the Cold War is sustained by the evidence.
The Soviet Union's defense spending did not rise or fall in response to American military expenditures. Revised estimates by the Central Intelligence Agency indicate that Soviet expenditures on defense remained more or less constant throughout the 1980s. Neither the military buildup under Jimmy Carter and Reagan nor SDI had any real impact on gross spending levels in the USSR. At most SDI shifted the marginal allocation of defense rubles as some funds were allotted for developing countermeasures to ballistic defense.
If American defense spending had bankrupted the Soviet economy, forcing an end to the Cold War, Soviet defense spending should have declined as East-West relations improved. CIA estimates show that it remained relatively constant as a proportion of the Soviet gross national product during the 1980s, including Gorbachev's first four years in office. Soviet defense spending was not reduced until 1989 and did not decline nearly as rapidly as the overall economy
John Campanelli = I couldn't get the link to work, but I know how well racism works in places like NC. I remember Jesse Helms campaign.
I've been told that during the D-day speech broadcast on CSPAN, a voice could clearly be overheard telling the Chimperor what to say next.
Nah, it was just a 'pre-echo' on the sat feed, since the voice pre-empting the Chimperor was... the Chimperor's, complete with mispronunciations.
(Beautiful Mind Babs says Reagan was... 'polite'. Wonderful.)
def- I stand corrected.
But on second thought, the CIA isn't exactly trustworthy LOL
Is Raygun still dead?
Sorry to break this thread but I want as many people to listen to this heinous ad for Robinson in NC. Either go to this web address or click on my Homepage link:
http://vernonrobinson.com/Illega...Alien%
20MP3.wma
So far on CNN today I heard them explain how Reagan's trickle-down economics worked and that the whole Iran-Contra thing was nothing more than a small "mistake" that people didn't care about. Sickening.
while i am glad he is dead. i did learn something i do agree with him on. RR did not like george Bush and probably REALLY detested georgie.
I give the Reagan administration no credit whatsoever in the fall of the USSR. It was not expedited by the Reagan administration, which was drowning in massive deficits the savings & loan and RTC scandals and Iran-Contra. The idea that Reagan caused the fall of the USSR is a ridiculous myth perpetrated by the Raygun worshippers that has no basis in fact. Go read Clarke's Against All Enemies if you want the legacy of the Reagan years.
(Coming up from fortified undergound bunker)
Are the Reagan death shenanigans over yet?
(Peeking warily over lip of underground bunker, ready to slam down hatch at first whiff of hagiography, manufactured outrage at insufficient obeisance, or, God forbid, commemorative country-music anthems)
I see that Rumsfeld is defying congress. They are demanding documents on the Boeing fuel plane contract. Basically Rummy says no.
The committees that want the info are headed by r's that are pissed, and they are considering the very rare subpoena.
With w's falling numbers congress may finally get some balls, and do there job.
Let's be nice to Reagan.
I suspect that the memories of his sunny optimism will diminish our war President, with his visions of (Cheney's words, actually) a war against terror lasting possibly 50 years.
My respect for Nancy has grown lateley. Stem cells, the dime proposal -- she's shown class. And anybody who know alzheimer's knows she's been in soul-crushing hell for a decade.
More at Emphyrio.
I have a proposal for my fellow leftists:
You know how the Republicans have hijacked Harry Truman, or tried to? Well, (see I'm doing it already) I think after a decent interval we should hijack Ronnie Reagan.
There's actually some good stuff there to borrow...
What a truly classless conglomeration of mealymouthed, lowlife cretins.
Regardless of politics or point of view, President Reagan was a human being suffering from a terribly debilitating disease that has also had a deep and lasting effect on his family.
That his passing should generate the vile comments, seen here, speaks naught of him but volumes of the crass, inane and thoroughly digusting state of mind of the promoters of such hatred.
You truly are pitiful wretches.
I will say this much. I feel for his family. As a human being I am glad that his suffering, and his family's suffering, is over.
That said, I do not mourn for Ronald Reagan. I do not shed tears for him. I do not honor his memory. Tonight, news of his death brings to mind many other deaths that were closer to home for me; friends who might still be here now had Reagan and his administration done what should have been done at the beginning of the epidemic that took them away.
Tonight I am thinking of Rick, Marc, Ric, Duane, Jim, Nkosi, John, Neal, Alex, and others.
Those are the people I am remembering tonight. Those are the people I am mourning. Those are the people whose memories I will honor.
Rumor has it that Nancy has asked that the GOP *NOT* use Reagan's images and legacy in their advertising this year. I wonder what that's about? She probably listened to her stepson's radio show.
Well, there'll be lines around the block to piss on that bastard's grave.
Junior Nero has revived the despicable practice of shielding traitors in the White House, and that legacy (of Nixon and Reagan) is not something that should be celebrated.
Flipped to CNN Headline News during a commercial break in Megas XLR, caught them talking about Bush meeting Chirac and shaking his hand "though they were opponents in the War on Terror".
What the hell?
France was fighting al-Qaeda years before the group showed up on the radar of US intelligence, who got much of their early information on the group from France. According to the US government, "after the U.S., in 2002, France has been the single largest military contributor" to the War on Terror. (check it out: http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/f...ls/fs/
14627.htm )
I know we shouldn't expect much of a station that used to have their news managed by DoD psyops back during the Kosovo campaign, but pushing such a blatant, partisan (do you hear any Democrats saying France supports al-Qaeda?) lie is too much. It was a woman announcer, but I'm not CNN fanboy enough to tell if it was Arena's voice.
Of course, there's always the chance that I misheard the TV again. Anyone else catch this?
during a commercial break in Megas XLR,
You dig giant robots?
def,
I would love to read the '92 Wolfowitz paper for kicks the next time I'm susceptible enough to cosmic comedy.
But seriously, did the Star Wars rhetoric and spending gambit pressure the Soviet leadership into confronting the bankruptcy of their system or would this have happened on its own?
Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did more fromt he US side.
Please, some juicy details! A brief explanation for this simpleton would be much appreciated.
...Oh! it looks like you have already posted your response def. Thanks.
I referenced "manufactured outrage at insufficient obeisance"
And then was posted:
That his passing should generate the vile comments, seen here, speaks naught of him but volumes of the crass, inane and thoroughly digusting state of mind of the promoters of such hatred.
That's kind of what I meant.
Back to the bunker. Slam!
Reagan hasn't done anything to anyone in a loooong time. So, now that he's passed on he deserves a little dignity.
Every bad thing he ever did can be reversed. Though, it is fair to say that the things done by those who followed in his footsteps are worse (i.e., the Contract With America and GWB getting chosen and putting us into the not-so great present)
What sucks (from a clock-watching POV of a liberal) is that the GOP will ride Ronnie and his late horse around til November. Look for Bush to mess that Rovian plan up, too.
Hey, Canadian Jumper, point us to your tears when the Contras were killing kids, ok?
I wouldn't wish Alzheimer's on my worst enemy: it's a horrible disease, and its effect on the family is even worse. But Americans have sustained a kind of collective Alzheimer's of their own for the past decade, in sympathy, and it's time to remember a) that Reagan acted presidential; and b) that lots of shitty things happened on his watch: shitty things that have contributed in no small part to the shit of today. (Chucking 100,000 AK-47s at the Afghan mujahedin, frinstance.)
And I suppose one of the biggest compliments, in hindsight, is that the current bunch of Reagan alums guiding the tiller of the USS Chimperor weren't able to convince Ronnie to start World War III.
What I will say is that the quotation on the Reagan Library website is a great indicator of the difference between the two:
“Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts.”
Reagan appealed to people's hopes (albeit, often false ones, and as a mask for duplicitous policies); Bush plays on people's fears and doubts and paranoia, openly and brazenly.
Funny thing . . . if not for having to substitute *Texas* for California, it would be too easy to see John Mellencamp's 1989 . . . paean . . . to Ronnie as addressed to Smirk:
Country gentleman walked a crooked mile,
Got our money in his pocket.
Did it all with a very handsome smile.
Now, he's livin' it up in a great big office.
He ain't a-gonna help no poor man.
He ain't a-goona help no poor man.
He ain't a-gonna help no poor man.
He's just gonna help his rich friends.
He ain't a-gonna help no women.
He ain't a-gonna help no children.
He's just gonna help his rich friends.
Country gentleman, we see him on T.V.,
Glad handin' folks and chattin' to the nation.
We never knew what really to believe.
Just word upon slogan with emotional connection.
He ain't a-gonna help no poor man.
He ain't a-gonna help no children.
He ain't a-gonna help no women.
He's just gonna help his rich friends.
And in the papers all we'd ever read is
So and so big-shot signed his resignation.
Now, country gentleman he wants us to believe
That he's kind and honest with the best intentions.
Country gentleman, now there's a bird that flew
High above his nation, prayed on its weakness.
Picked our bones and threw it in his stew.
Thank God he went back to California.
On Brooks op-head piece: see Howard Gardiner's "Changing Minds" which talks about how hard it is for people to change their minds and he gives pointers on how to do it.
It is interesting that Brooks leaves out all the Southern Democrats who switched parties. The had no choice since Negroes refused to change their skin color.
Slashdot has an article that may drive a stake through the heart of wingnut writers on message boards:
Wingnut Technology Crisis
Contras killing kids? Assinine statement.
VC killing kids.
Hammas killing kids.
Sandanistas killing kids
Congo rebels killing kids.
Che Gueveras cruds killing kids.
What the fuck has that got to do with it dipshit?
my 2 cents on veritas and john campanelli's mini thread regarding illegal aliens--
i have no problem at all with illegal aliens. the day people stop trying to sneak into the usa will be a dark day indeed. alas, i fear it is not far off.
i'm actually in favor of illegal immigrants and i believe that the people who rail against like it to for financial reasons. what they are opposed to is the idea that illegal aliens should have any rights.
A miserable troll appeared above named IATL. Someone asked what its name means. I suggest it means "I Am The Loser!"
Because, Moosemolester, your ire is misplaced towards people who happen to point out the historical facts of those things Reagan either presided over, or, in the words of the Iran-Contra investigation, those he should have been presiding over.
And I'm sorry the Flames lost. Now put down the bottle of rubbing alcohol.
This morning when I was having breakfast with St. Peter, Einstein, and Elvis, Pete mentioned that Reagan was finally going to go tits up today. Like a dope, I quickly finished my meal and ran down to the gates to meet him with taunts of scorn and derision. Then about halfway there, I realized my folly.
I do hear, however, that Nixon and he are going to be rooming together. Apparently Dick doesn't cotton to the Gipper much, so it should make for some entertaining viewing for us up here. It'll definitely be a fuck of a lot better than that fucking hack's shitty movies. Even Elvis makes fun of them, and he was in fucking Clambake, for God's sake.
What a truly classless conglomeration of mealymouthed, lowlife cretins.
Regardless of politics or point of view, President Reagan was a human being suffering from a terribly debilitating disease that has also had a deep and lasting effect on his family.
That his passing should generate the vile comments, seen here, speaks naught of him but volumes of the crass, inane and thoroughly digusting state of mind of the promoters of such hatred.
You truly are pitiful wretches.
with all respect, i dont' think people's comments on reagan are on him as a person, rather him as a politician. yes, he had probably what is the worst disease any human being can be subjected to, but that, simply put, does not erase all the damage any self-respecting liberal or democrat recognizing he inflicted on our country. whether or not it was him or his cronies or whatever, the reagan administration set this country back quite a bit in a lot of areas, and however 'dignified' you are on the occasion of his death, that fact isn't gonna change.
Are the Reagan death shenanigans over yet?
Time for all good men to turn off the Tee Vee, shut off the computer, and ignore the Reagan follies.
Wake me up when it's over.
The deification of Ronny Raygun started long before his timely death. I didn't personally detest him as much as I detest his evil political spawns, namely Bush the Elder and his half-witted son Prince Weaseldick. But the idea that Raygun alone "won" the Cold War is a nice piece of political propaganda that mouthbreathers throughout this great land embrace. And his presidency helped nurture the creepy, repellent, hypocritical Religous Right, which I loathe with all of my pagan-worshipping underground heart. As for Voodoo Economics, Iran-Contra, death squads in Guatelema, and all the rest, it's all fading away...must control Fists of Death....
Do you think Nancy will remarry?
Reagan will be remembered as the only President where naked pictures of his wife and daughter were published.
What the fuck has that got to do with it dipshit?
You are correct that most wars and terrorist actions have killed children. However the tradgedies you cite were not carried out by groups that were funded with my tax dollars or money illegally funnelled via illegal weapons sales to Iran.
For all of the atrocious policies he implemented I still couldn't help liking the guy. There was always a disconnect, 70% hated his policies but 70% loved the guy. It was once said that he would give you the shirt off of his back and while sitting in his underwear he would sign the legislation that screwed you into the ground with a smile on his face. He shit on the constitution, armed terrorists, conducted an illegal war, cut one of the vilest deals in presidential history to keep the hostages incarcerated to win an election, screwed the poor, minorities and the working class and all the while was somehow still likeable. Go figure.
I dig giant robots!
Dream Cartoon Network/Adult Swim project:
Megas VS The Big O
Canadian Jumpupass 1:
What a truly classless conglomeration of mealymouthed, lowlife cretins.
CJ 2:
What the fuck has that got to do with it dipshit?
Thanks for the communications from the moral high ground there, Dudley Dooright.
Hey Def, don't forget Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
1891145.stm
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/arc.../
hasenfus1.html (re: Eugene Hasenfus, CIA pilot shot down over Nicaragua)
Has Hunter S. Thompson weighed in with an accurate obituary of the evil fucker much as he did when Nixon expired?
I thought for sure the Republicans would pull his life support in late October.
Vinnie, it's called being a sucker.
Canadian Jumper, kindly shut the fuck up. Your bullshit, manufactured moral outrage is beneath me, and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs, I see through you.
He's fucking DEAD. You think he's reading this shit in the afterlife? You think any of his fucking family are reading the comments on this site? Fuck, if he were still alive he STILL wouldn't know we were talking about him.
I agree with Steve Gilliard: The American insistence on speaking well of the dead at the expense of a little thing called THE TRUTH is fucking nauseating. I said it when that old bastard Strom Thurmond died, and I'll say it again now:
I'd piss on him, but that might just quench the hellfire, and I don't want to deny him his spiritual retribution.
The man was a fucking scumbag, and may he rot in hell. I only wish he hadn't contracted Alzheimer's so he could have spent his last remaining years reflecting on what a shitstain on this country he truly was.
Take your sermonizing and shove it up your ass, you fucking twit.
I recall hearing that Nancy Reagan blew Sinantra and another guy on a drive from LA to Vegas ... was that in the Kitty Kelly book?
Def, your posting of the Atlantic article perfectly exemplifies why blogs are the soul of the internet. 1994 isn't ancient history, but that critical storyline was lost--for mass purposes-- in that pre-internet moment. Kudos to the Atlantic for digitizing it, and to you for dusting it off.
Gorbachev had much more at stake, and was much more influential, in beginning the end of the USSR. Reagan may have exacerbated Gorby's problems, but Gorby is the one who could have ended up with a bullet in his head just about any old day. He truly started the transformation of the Soviets.
Bush makes me nostaligic for ol Ronnie, hell even Nixon. Those two were pretty bad, Ronnie was even worse because he was likeable, but Bush.......damn, just pure fucking evil.
A miserable troll appeared above named IATL. Someone asked what its name means. I suggest it means "I Am The Loser!"
was that in the Kitty Kelly book
Something like that....
Kelly's interview with Seline Walters comes in handy every time a wingnut brings up Jaunita Broaderick.
She' supposedy writing a book on the Bush family. Niel's pissed off ex wife is one of her sources (IIRC).
Reagan was Sauron!
Historical facts? Hysterical facts...you lot wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit your nc southern cracker ass, fool.
wastelandusa
I suggest you scroll back up and then tell me it wasn't "on him as a person".
There was a time, because of my wanting to learn of things political in the USA, that I would read any and all blogs, regardless of political affiliation or leanings.
What I see here tonight, regarding Ronald Reagan, is disgusting and would, where I in a position of having a vote in your great country, surely turn me against anything having to do with Liberal democrats.
If this typifies your reaction to the death of President Reagan, you must have been in heaven while he was undergoing the pain and suffering.
You are truly pathetic.
A liberal's young memories of Reagan: I hoped with all my eight year old being that Reagan would win back in '84. By the time I graduated high school I was fond of pointing out that eight year old's sensibility as a detraction against the mind set of the Reagan-philes. It seemed to me that Reagan appealed to a child's sensibility. He was sort of
a real-life Forrest Gump. His successes were the result of dumb luck, and his popularity was due to the shallowness of the American people. as Mac Owen states in a different context.
I still hold fast to this impression but wonder if their isn't something genuine in Reagan's cliched moralizing. Was there true heart-felt principle behind the man's script?
I agree with Emphyrio.
Love or hate the man in his politics, but I have not really heard anyone declare him evil or satan on the level that the current Administration seems to epitomize. If he was to be punished for his wrongs, I think he served the sentence after he left office. In lieu of acting like the drooling hoard of the opposing side, lets say we have a bit of class and show a bit of empathy.
(Building my bunker and hunkering down now)
PPD,
You said that all of Reagan's bad acts can be reversed. I disagree. People died needlessly of AIDS because he ignored plague-like conditions that was killing people he thought were less than human.
That in-human act alone is enough to hate him as a human AND a politician. Never mind Iran-Contra, ketchup as a vegetable, being propped up by his crackpot wife FOR AN ENTIRE TERM because of his alzheimers, the lies, the hypocrisy, James Watt, Dewin meese, and the list just goes on...
Ghost, I concur with everything you said ...
so far Gilliard has the best obit on Reagan yet written on the leftie blogs.
Hey Def, don't forget Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
1891145.stm
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/arc.../
hasenfus1.html (re: Eugene Hasenfus, CIA pilot shot down over Nicaragua)
Also,
It is possible to be a great leader and a terrible president.
Just becuase you are charismatic and influencial does not mean that you have any sensible or worthwhile ideas to offer.
Blindly praising a dead president has forseeable negative results. For example, let's look Lyndon Johnson.
I live in Texas and we got LBJ all over the place. LBJ did some great things, but he also got us deep into Vietnam and only the slightest criticism of him is ever given. Don't want to hurt LadyBird's feelings and look at all the flowers she planted! Now it comes out he and McNamara knew they screwed up, but still there is no society-wide discussion about how we got into that mess and why we could not get out. Poor Johnson, he felt bad about it! So, now we have to endure endless regurgitation of D-Day and "The Greatest Generation". That's the same generation that got us into Vietnam, so maybe we ought to write a sequel. Because Vietnam is not thoroughly discussed and the US has not accepted the guilt for what we did (instead idiots talk about MIAs being kept in secret camps while the Vietnamese had 300K MIAs) guess what happens?
Idiot Bush does it all over again in Iraq: basically the naive conceit that a totally foreign people would LOVE for us to come bomb the shit out of them. The corruption of the South Vietnamese gov is being repeated with Chalabi. Handing over Najaf and Fallujah sets the initial conditions for civil war. Whose side will we be on?
My brother-in-law graduated from the LBJ School of Government and I shocked him one time by saying we should burn it to the ground. But, he's in politics.
George W. Bush is looking at the praise Reagan is getting and saying to himself, if I can stall these guys, I'll get away with it too. How can the press investigate ongoing coverups and scandals and betrayals of national interest when they are not even willing to discuss previous scandals that are known and documented.
Baudrillard was right when he said Watergate was the scandal that revealed that scandal is SOP.
You are truly pathetic.
Canadian Jumper | Email | Homepage | 06.06.04 - 1:28 am |
actually, someone who wilfully discludes an entire portion of the population from being educated by raising tuition in ungodly mulptiples, who wilfully ignores the aids virus when it is wreaking havoc on his own population because he believes its victims to ultimately be subhuman, the list goes on, is 'truly pathetic'.
and i think what reagan was like as a man is superfluous, he was a terrible president, and he set the tone and expectation for horrible politicians in the future by his own callous and inhumane policies... a theme we are seeing played out today with our own modern day version of 'The Worse President Imaginable'
oh stop, jumper. we don't tell you how to respond to the deaths of canadian politicians. btw, are you adam yoshida by any chance?
Spying on Americans
Perhaps even more remarkable, the Reagan administration showed greater respect for Moon's constitutional rights than those of some U.S. citizens. Starting in 1981, the FBI cooperated with one of Moon's front groups during a five-year nationwide investigation of the Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador (CISPES), a domestic organization critical of Reagan's policies in Central America, according to FBI documents cited by The Boston Globe. [April 20, 1988]
reagan was raised in a dysfunctional family. His father was like a 3rd degree alcoholic so he developed a disassociative disorder. That made him well suited for B movies. And thats why he walked thru life like a zombie; he wasn't there.
There was reporting about the time he was shot: he was tranfused w/ large amounts of blood that were right out of the frig, he wasn't the same after that, so the story goes.
Hey Def, don't forget Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
1891145.stm
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/arc.../
hasenfus1.html (re: Eugene Hasenfus, CIA pilot shot down over Nicaragua)
ahhhh Bedtime for Bonzo...
So Nancy is a little party girl, hmmmm ... is she single?
Yes, I have contempt for Reagan (and Nancy) because Reagan and Nancy had contempt for those less fortunate in our society.
Wasn't Nancy into astrology? What a whack job?! But, she liked to party and I have to give her props for being an uninhibited little sex kitten back in the day - yeah, I would have broken off the pre-1970 Nancy.
HOLY CRAP -- that Vernon Robinson ad someone (wayyy up there) mentioned that's linked on Koz is unfuckingly believeable!
I would have sworn it was a old SNL bit or something the Onion dreamed up.
There's Latino conservative pundit in my town who's always leaping on every hiccup by a liberal to show how mean those dastardly lefties are. I think I may have to e-mail him and ask if he's heard this one.
People die every day. Lots of 'em. Good riddance to a senile old fuck whose presidency was just a prelude, a test run, for today's proto-fascism. Ronald Reagan was every bit the puppet that assmonkey Bush is. Bad luck for him that his family wasn't in intelligence and oil.... I left the country when he was in office, I was so ashamed and confused. Now I'm older, with a family; I honestly don't expect there to be a November election, and my instinct tells me to get out now, but it's not so easy.... I still have hope that our system will right itself and the people will see this madness for what it is, and send Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld--the whole lot of them--to prison where they belong.... Because really these are dark times.... And now Reagan's finally dead, and we can't speak ill of the dead, so it's gonna be all warm fuzzies for the next few weeks while the bastards continue to escape justice..... Fuck it. Sorry for the drunken ramble.
Congrats Nancy, you're finally free.
Peace anyway. I love each and every one of you. I really mean that. I do.
-Speedy
wastelandusa
Thanks for responding in civilized manner sans ad hominem references.
I can appreciate your feelings on President Reagan and, yet, not agree.
No doubt there are those that could generate volumes against Clinton, Carter and Kennedy that I could agree with. However, the death of any one of them from such a terrible disease, would not give me cause to write of them in such a heinous manner.
I apologize for interupting the frenzied celebrations and bid you all goodnight.
Hey, Jumper, just because you live somewhere doesn't make you a native. I'm no 'southern cracker'; just as you may call yourself Canadian, but you're obviously just a renegade from a Montana militia. Or Stockwell Day.
...Nancy and Reagan...
...Romeo/Juliette...
...Anthony/Cleopatra...
THAT's what made Reagan work. He was a charismatic lover, a lover of the American people who knew how to fondle their psyche. Bush is a sloppy cheerleader by comparison and Kerry too stiff in the skin.
May Reagan Rest In Peace and all the love between him and Nancy make his life worthwhile.
"With journalism, we have now reached success by establishing The Washington Times," Moon said, according to Soejima. "We now have a direct influence on Reagan through The Washington Times." (Washington Post 9/16/84)
Donald Rumsfeld was in Singapore today pressing Asian nations to contribute more to the Global War on Terror.
Terrorism is certainly a global problem. But in terms of global problems, let's face it ... it's not even in the top 5.
Typical American self-obsessiveness.
Canadian Jumper
I can understand you being all torqued up because the Cal Gary Flames blew it tonight.
But Reagan introduced the "I don't recall" defense, gave us Ollie North and Clarence Thomas and said no arms for hostages and then sold arms for hostages and sent Rumsfeld to meet Saddam and ran up the deficit.
And he did it all with a smile on his face.
He was presidential, but he wasn't a good president.
And the Lightning will win the Cup on Monday.
Democrats and liberals could be doing so much more to sabotage the conservatives' presidential bid. A disinformation campaign to delegitimate the Republicans and escalate the domestic ideological conflict is long overdue.
Suggestions: calling into radio and television talk shows impersonating conservatives and Republicans to portray them in a non-flattering manner, spreading rumors, sending out disinfo press releases to the media, volunteering for the local Bush campaign office to throw a few wrenches into the gears of the machine from the inside, crashing Bush campaign meetups with a group of like-minded friends to accost the warmongers when they least expect it, dressing up as KKK members and holding impromptu rallies in support of the president.
The campaign must be merciless and relentless.
Ronnie had a new grandbaby when he was president. He didn't lay eyes on that new grandbaby for two years. What kind of a person does that?
GOB
Just as someone here said that all living in NC aren't southern crackers, all Canadians aren't hockey fans.
I could give a fuck about the Calgary Flames and no, we don't all live in igloos, you can't ski in August and the McKenzie brothers aren't real.
But you are a hoser, eh?
jumper, i thought you said you were leaving. you are adam yoshida too, aren't you? just admit it.
weren't you going to join up, Adam? Like the US Marines? What happened, dude? They turn you down?
Why Does Nancy Hate The Bushes?
You said that all of Reagan's bad acts can be reversed. I disagree. People died needlessly of AIDS because he ignored plague-like conditions that was killing people he thought were less than human.
That in-human act alone is enough to hate him as a human AND a politician. Never mind Iran-Contra, ketchup as a vegetable, being propped up by his crackpot wife FOR AN ENTIRE TERM because of his alzheimers, the lies, the hypocrisy, James Watt, Dewin meese, and the list just goes on...
Adam D. Sperry | Email | Homepage | 06.06.04 - 1:31 am |
Adam,
I'm just trying to be optimistic. As much as Rondog (and Falwell and so on) all demonized people who suffered, as much as Rondog's administration made life a bit more miserable for a lot of people and tried to tell the middle class it grew in size (by lowering the poverty level), and as much as the way he ran the US' end of the Cold War led to the atrocious rise of power for evil people (current Administration officials, S. Hussein, OB Laden, etc) it' ll get better before it gets any worse.
Well, once Bush and Co are out of power (and believe me, man, January can't come too soon) hopefully things can and will be reversed for the better.
And, remember that science makes positive advances, too. It ain't all Strategic Defense Iniatives and Armored Hummers.
With health problems, god willing, the wealth will truly be spread in the form of affordable (free) treatments and cures.
If anything socialized medicine (for those who can't afford treatments) in the US and not treating Africa like a place which should rot would be first steps to improved health.
It will also rub some salt in Ronnie's grave to think that part of communism won. The good part.
Fingers crossed.
Reagan hasn't done anything to anyone in a loooong time.
So because his crimes happened 20 years ago, he should be deemed innocent? I think not.
So, now that he's passed on he deserves a little dignity.
No. He doesn't.
Every bad thing he ever did can be reversed.
Tell that to the thousands of people in Latin American who are dead now, because of him.
When you figure out a way to bring them back to life, let me know. Then, and only then, we can discuss the possibility of forgiveness for Reagan.
Birch Bayh For President
So Nancy is a little party girl, hmmmm ... is she single?
If you run for the Presidency and serve two terms, you should expect people to either laurel your passing with praise or refresh the failings of your Administration.
But BBFP, referring to the marital status of a widow in the first 24 hours is just cold.
veritas - if you're still here - what grounds is Rumsfeld using to deny congress the info? Is his just arrogantly saying no -- or is he hiding behind some kind of national security b.s.?
At Reagan's behest; congress cut tax rates and federal regulations, (the Federal Registry, the list of all Fed. regulations actually shrunk under Reagan's watch!) and slowed the rate of growth of total federal spending. During the Reagan years, discretionary spending fell two or three percent!
These actions produced an unprecedented economic boom. (see: Seven Fat Years: And How to Do It Again by Robert L. Bartley) Remember at the end of the Carter regime, things were very bad, and the American people had been told that they needed to lower their expectations.
But, Reagan's vision of how dynamic capitalism can be if we can make progress at getting the government out of the way came to fruition.
Reagan confronted the monstrosity of Soviet communism and its missiles aimed at America. He insisted on the moral superiority of capitalism and warned against giving up any of our civil liberties in this fight.
Reagan conspired with the Pope to jettison Soviet control of Poland and the rest of the occupied nations. (for a fascinating account of the story of his forty year struggle and final triumph over communism, including his reasons for stressing why we should not compromise our own liberty see: Reagan's War by Peter Schweizer)
I wanted to puke. I don't know what her name is but on CNN news at 11:10 pm Alaska time on 6/5, the anchor introduced the story about Bush meeting with Chirac to commemorate D-day by saying,"although they were opponents in the war on terror.......".
So, according to CNN, Chirac supports terror. I wanted to bitch slap her all the way to Paris. Damn...............
ok then.
his family deserves a little dignity then.
go ahead. anyone is allowed to hate Reagan.
Believe me, a good chunk of what went on during those years is despicable(sp?).
You want to know something?
we can't raise the dead and make them pay for their crimes. But are you still under the impression that Reagan was totally congniscent during those two terms? Do, you think that he was really micromanaging and allowing atrocities to happen?
Sure, he may not have given a rats ass what any subordinates did. As a president, yeah he's totally responsible. But, as a comparison, don't you think Bush's blood lust vis a vis the executions he presided over as governor of Texas, are a bit more apparent than Reagan's delusional time as president?
Reagan allegedly told "real" anecdotes based on movie plots for chrissakes. He was hardly grounded at all back in the 80s.
But, now, he's dead.
Complain about Kissinger--who's still alive and a war criminal--and try to get justice by way of that chump.
There are still war criminals among us ya know. Many of whom are on the "good side". So less talk about not repecting the recent dead and more action about making sure those straddlers from Iran-Contra and Nixon's administration get power stripped from them.
Can we agree on that?
What I see here tonight, regarding Ronald Reagan, is disgusting and would, where I in a position of having a vote in your great country, surely turn me against anything having to do with Liberal democrats.
Did you live here when he was president? Do you live here now, after his influence? If not, then step off... Reagan got us where we are today. Screwed. Completely screwed.
He was a terrible president with terrible policies. He should be remembered as such.
Conservatives here, all throughout southern California, are quietly crying themselves to sleep over the man who ended the Cold War single-handedly and blindfolded while playing a kazoo while riding a unicycle.
I keep trying to care about him dying, but a) he was 93, had Alzheimer's and lived a better life than you or I will ever know, and b) every time I think about Reagan I invision the People's Park folks getting overrun by the Natl. Guard and the Berkeley protesters being gassed by Army helicopters.
It just ain't cool, man.
Bryan,
It is a joke - if you can't laugh at the dysfunctional Reagan family then what family can you laugh at?
My statement is a reaction to the glowing nonsense lofted onto Reagan at this time. Give me a break ... Reagan's conservative posture throughout the '80s was brutal (and allegedly Nancy weilded quiet influence over policy) - they deserve nothing less than scorn, ridicule and jokes to be made about them. I am just getting the ball rolling.
Next you are going to tell me that when Bush dies (20 or 30 years from now), we shouldn't make jokes about him or his family ... LOL
P.S. This is worth reading, btw:
http://www.salon.com/news/featur.../14/ron_reagan/
Wow Rick,
You mean Ronnie killed Communism all by himself? Was that in a movie? Was it called "Bonzo Kills the Commies"? Phah. We don't need the US military or the american people or Lek Walensa or Nato or anybody else. I are impressed. /sarcasm off
My heart goes out to the Reagan family.
anon4,
Reagan conspired with the Pope to jettison Soviet control of Poland and the rest of the occupied nations. (for a fascinating account of the story of his forty year struggle and final triumph over communism, including his reasons for stressing why we should not compromise our own liberty see: Reagan's War by Peter Schweizer)
The more things change, the more they stay the same. "When cowboy Ronnie (Georgie?) comes to town..."
Onion's Headline for Next Week
Distraught Ketchup Sobs: Does This Mean I'm a Condiment Again?
...he's sitting in a corner blubbering like an ugly girl...
Ya know, I've been scanning through a number of weblogs' comments pages, and I'm struck by the anger by so many people. I'm certainly aware of the many polarizing qualities of Reagan, but this is just rediculous. We're becoming our own worst enemies: the left's equivalent to the Far Right. We don't need to behave live the Limbaughs, the Gengrich's, the Fox News' of the world.
Now, my own political views are pretty much left-of-center, but I can also manage to say some nice words about the death of a former President. I certainly don't start from the maxim that "if he's the leader of the other side, I must hate him." That's what the Republican Right does; we're better than that. We're supposed to be the educated ones here, not bound to ideology and a black-and-white worldview.
In regards to Ronald Reagan, I disagree, easily, with the majority of his policies as President. I also find a number of qualities to admire. The truth is that Reagan was far more pragmatic and less "conservative" than anyone wants to remember. Social Security, numerous tax hikes, expansion of government, warming relations with Gorbechev...there's quite a lot that doesn't follow the Right's script of a conservative messiah.
Is this how Christianity was formed? The movement, the ideology, is different from the man.
I hope I have a more nuanced, complex view of Reagan than either the left or right will give him credit for. I certainly don't think he was a Great President, whatever that means; but I don't think he's the Devil Incarnate, either.
I'm truly sorry for his family's loss, and I'm glad that his long battle against Alsheimer's is finally over.
Now let's save the anger for getting rid of Junior Bush before he turns this country into a smouldering crater.
Is it me, or does hearing (or reading) someone say "Well, the fact that some small portion of a group of people reacted to something in a way I disagree with makes me deem all of their positions unworthy!" as Canadian Jumper said waaay up there make you want to fucking puke in your soup?
What kind of bullshit reasoning is that? Did CJ stop and reflect thoughtfully when fucking Hitler capped hiimself in his bunker? "Aww, poor guy. He just wanted a Final Solution. RIP, buddy."
OT, but have you noticed that republicans only break from the social-conservative ideology when it's a direct family member that's getting raped by Bush (or his dad, or RR) and his shitheaded policy? They don't go to Cheney for gay hate because he'd be dissing his own daughter. They're so bankrupt on every level that they cannot see anyone who they don't live with, or next to, as even human. Weird, isn't it?
"Reagan conspired with the Pope...."
Hey, Rick Barton, aren't conspiracies,
by definition, bad things?
And speaking of "the Pope" would that be the same Pope that condemned Georgies
bitchin' Iraq adventure as an unjust war?
Thanks for your fascism-nating account. though, remember, fascists were the first and the only real anti-communists.
Republican Henry Ford may have hated "The International Jew" but look at all the tractors he sold to the Bolshevics.
Reagan should be remembered as THE pitchman for the tobacco industry circa
1964. "Smoother...recommended by doctors...."
Peddling lung cancer to the masses in a cheery optomistic way, that's his endearing leghastly.
And the freepers come out of the woodwork, all shocked, SHOCKED that people aren't rending their clothes over RR's passing. All first-time posters, all surprised (gosh!) and upset by our reactions.
"How," they say, "can someone be so cruel and heartless? He just died!"
To which I say: RACHEL CORRIE
As someone said a few threads ago, they can dish it out, but they sure can't take it.
An open thread?
Hey, this thought just occured to me. The folks arguing for various laws limiting marriage to an "man and a woman" are defending this with the claim that this law doesn't violate equal protection but rather applies equally to everybody (the same rationale that the state of Virginia put forth in Loving v. Virginia WRT laws against inter-racial marriages).
But wouldn't a law that said that Democrats and Republican alike must all vote for Republicans also survive challenge if the anti-gay laws are held to be constitutional under this rationale? Hell, everyone is treated equally, they all have to do the same thing. . . .
Just another easy thing to add to the argumentarium when you get some yahoo that trots out the old canard about these types of law not being a Fourteenth Amendment violation. . . .
Use it in good health, and spread the word. 
Cheers,
I dunno if anyone's actually read the Washington Monthly piece Atrios linked to, but it's very interesting. There's a lot there I didn't know, particularly how Reagan expanded the size of the federal government (sorry Rick Barton) and intervened to save Social Security. And, most intruiginly, how the Republican idoltars are convieniantly ignoring any sort of contridiction in what Reagan said and what Reagan did. Very interesting.
Like I said yesterday afternoon, I really can't build any joy at Reagans death. Really can't build any sorrow, either, to be quite honest. He was 93 and had Alzheimer's, for cryin' out loud, he didn't wreck his Harley. My granddad had Alzheimer's and my sympathies go to the family and their suffering. That's a horrible, horrible disease and, if Reagan's case was anything like, well, all the others, he's been dead to the world for the past few years. I imagine there's quite a bit of relief in the Reagan household. That may sound callous, but unless you've had a close relative who's had Alzheimer's, you won't understand.
Reagan did a lot of bastard shit while in office - notably subverting the Constitution - but he got away with it scot-free. His death isn't "just desserts" by any means. Everyone dies. It'll be interesting to watch the idoltars go absolutely apeshit for the next couple weeks, just like it'll be interesting to watch Bush hump Reagan's corpse on into November.
But as for the man's death, well...I honestly don't care one way or another. Dead is dead.
One more time, just so there's no mistake...
FUCK RONALD REAGAN.I'm glad the fucker's dead. Death does not turn you into a fucking saint. Whatever pain and misery he suffered in his final days, it wasn't enough.
Also, the mother of one of my best friends has Alzheimer's. She gets all of my compassion. I have none to waste on the hunk of wormfood formerly known as Reagan.
see: Reagan's War by Peter Schweizer
see: Seven Fat Years: And How to Do It Again by Robert L. Bartley
I'm surprised you don't cite The Hunt For Red October by T. Clancy. Just as reliable a source.
Now go away.
http://www.everythingisnt.com/ar...es/
00001547.htm
Reagan established the modern day model of a dumbf*ck president manipulated by handlers which Bush has taken to excruciating extreme to the detriment of everyone world-wide...thanx Ronbo, nice legacy.
======
We're becoming our own worst enemies: the left's equivalent to the Far Right. We don't need to behave live the Limbaughs, the Gengrich's, the Fox News' of the world.
Well, at least we're talking to the Right in a tone of voice they can understand.
I wonder, will there be some here who will be tripping over themselves to find nice things to say about Dubya once he croaks?
Reagan gave us that vile filth Lee Atwater...which begat his prodigy, the megalomaniacal unka karl.
Reagan also bequeathed the 11th commandment which has annihilated the notion of moderate Republicans in which rational people can debate and compromise with.
Reagan did NOT reduce dsicretionary spending in the way which you suggest mr Barton. That is a myth. the budgets simply converted discretionary spending into mandated spending to avoid yearly partisan fights. That is NOT what you implied.
Reagan NEVER EVER, NOT ONCE submitted a balanced budget. Congress usually passed a final version that was within a half percent.
Reagan RAISED taxes on the poor. (Unless you don't think that payroll taxes are taxes, a la Limbaugh.) By 1988 I was paying more of my income to the Gov't than in 1980.
Guys, what do you expect from Reagan worshippers?
Facts are stupid things that get in the way of their ideology of fuckheadedness.
The problem with Ronald Reagan's death is that it didn't happen 25 years ago.
Hold on to your socks: the Reagasm is under way.
Hmmmm. Call me a cynical old so-and-so, but does anyone else find the timing here to be suspicious? Just as Bush's behavior in the White House begins to take on a truly Nixonian likeness, beloved ol' Uncle Ronnie snuffs it...and in doing so, will provide a nice little distraction from Georgie-boy's crack-up. The jingoistic orgy that's just now barely underway in the media will no doubt last for weeks.
Did Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, a' la Elle Driver in Kill Bill, sneak into Ronnie's hospital room, disguised as nurses, with a syringe full o' poison?
Did Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, a' la Elle Driver in Kill Bill, sneak into Ronnie's hospital room, disguised as nurses, with a syringe full o' poison?
No. The incredible thing is tha Reagan made it as long as he did. I've had friends die of Alzheimers. usually it's much quicker.
Frankly, I expected him to die years ago.
Over at LostRemote.com, they've posted a collection of Reagan Resources. Unfortunately, they keep eliminating certain comments that are critical of Reagan--so far it looks like the subject of Reagan's silence regarding AIDS is off-limits.
Here's the explanation:
_____________
We have deleted a few inappropriate personal comments from this thread about President Reagan. Please understand this has nothing do do with our personal politics.
A gentle reminder here that Lost Remote is a forum for news, convergence and technology, not a site for ad hominem personal or political attacks.
We absolutely encourage the exchange of ideas on ways to report this event. We want to hear from news folks on how they are reporting this event, and we want to hear from news consumers on what you think of the coverage. We're especially interested in what ways convergence is being used to cover and follow this event.
LR will continue to remove any comments (or take out the comments feature altogether) if posters do not adhere to our policy.
Cory and Steve
_____________
Anyone care to provide Cory and Steve with the type of feedback they seem to be requesting--while "adhering" to their comments policy? Perhaps additional resources for their readers- or comments on how the media is covering (i.e. distorting) the Reagan legacy? The media industry reads this site, and should be aware of public opinion regarding the coverage of "Reagan's legacy."
Since we're about to embark on a national quest to name everthing in sight after Regan, I'd like to suggest that we name the current budget deficit the Ronald Regan Memorial Budget Deficit. And, I'd like to propose that grammarians and law school professors no longer refer to "passive voice," but instead to "Regan voice." ("Mistakes were made.") As Bush allows logging in our natioal forests, let's name the logged spaces the Ronald Regan Monument to Clean Air ("Trees Cause Pollution"). And, let's call the Bushification of Regan's funeral the John Ashcroft Republican Respect for Family Wishes Strategy.
Reagan's rule inflicted some of the worst human rights abuse. His administration was cited very often by Amnesty International.
Reagan's Central/ Latin American policy of propping the most unsavory dictators in that region led to genocides.
For e.g., thousands of Guatemalan villagers lost their lives as Raul Montt, the right wing dictator in the 1980's went after lefty opponents with arms, cash, and intelligence supplied by the Reagan administration. Details of abuses that we are only learning now.
manyoso,
beirut, 1983. too many of my friends and plc classmates died so ronald wilson reagan could play teddy roosevelt. you have your opinion and i have mine. now be a good lad and bugger off.
J.T.
We're becoming our own worst enemies: the left's equivalent to the Far Right.
Hardly.
Being glad Reagan is dead ? advocating the assassination of the Clintons.
oops. the ? there should be a =/= thing. "is not equal to"
No. The incredible thing is tha Reagan made it as long as he did. I've had friends die of Alzheimers. usually it's much quicker.
Frankly, I expected him to die years ago.
Dr. Pedant | Email | Homepage | 06.
Yeah Reagan didn't rely on medicare like most who have to face Alzheimer's...
Thanks for Afghanistan, and ignoring AIDS made it go away, right to work, strikebreakers causing jetliner accidents, funding terror worldwide and via CIA contra channels who gave them support infrastructure into the ABC's of covert actions, thanks for the deficit, lowering standards in education , and taking credit for the fall of imploded communism when eastern europe had labor unions and the bleedover of free media do more tho cause change than your idiotic MIC bid-war that was constantly backed by the IMF to BOTH SIDES.
The soviets were so tough a nation full of cave dwellers beat their ass given hand held ordinance.
You were a bigger myth than Russia. Holloywood hero , from the land of drugs and sex comes the "family values guy".
Being glad Reagan is dead ? advocating the assassination of the Clintons.
Seraphiel
How about Pat Robertson praying for the deaths of Supreme Court Justices. How does praying for someone's death differ from black magic?
I've wondered about that kind of thing since reading, as a young and innocent child, how Elisha called the she bears to tear apart the boys who were making fun of him for being bald. And Elisha was a prophet of God. Kids love that kind of bible story.
Far North -
They just don't get it. How many times do we have to tell the f***ing media that IRAQ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR ON TERROR!
It's insane that the media keeps this up.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...aign/
index.html
This is some excellent footwork by Kerry. It is respectful of the opposing party, which is both classy and unexpected.
Also, remember that thing about draining his finances because of the earlier Dem primary? I'm not sure where all the money comes from for those rallies, but it sounds like he can save money this way while remaining safely within a bulletproof sphere of respect and mourning.
Sure, it's politicking. But ain't nobody can tell me Bush and Co. aren't looking for ways to spin this into November.
I can't wait to see Shrub balling his shallow brain out at the maudlin and sick GOP RAT convention in September...First they'll have a sickening video exploiting the terrorist tragedy in NY, then a soppy, tear-jerking of Ronnie with all of his best, grade 'B' script reading....They'll be a whole convention center full of #*ssies crying their eyes out right when they trot out Lee Greenwood for the BIG Climax
or "bawling"...I'd rather not see him "balling" his brains out in a coke and Seagram's-induced sex-stupor
This weekend I heard the best radio reporting on Iraq I've heard. On public radion, 'This American Life,' hosted by Ira Glass broadcast an hour-long report on private contractors in Iraq (about 20k strong) including the sounds of thier convoy under attack. Here's alink t the wwebsite and they should post the tape of the program soon. Atrios, please, please link the tape when it's available. Thanks....
Oh, here's the link to 'This American Life' or click on 'Homepage' on my post above....
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/
Digby's right. RR was no saint and I voted against him in '84 (wasn't old enough to vote in '80), but GW Bush is DEFINITELY worse.
Will Rogers
I heard that Friday night. Unreal. It was the best thing I have ever heard on NPR.
Finally figured this out - my http://www.findspot.net/commerce...ne-
trading.html
whoo hoo!!!
Characters Remaining:
Commenting by HaloScan
