I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I love it - The flip flop on:
"I'm a war president. I don't plan on losing the election"
vs.
"Oh, shit, I'm gonna lose the election! I'm a peace president!"
Well, why not? He's a torturer who sold himself as a "compassionate conservative" last time around. I'm sure there are people dumb enough to buy into "peace president" this time around.
Ah yes, the Prince of Peace.
And I want to be Emperor of the Universe.
We don't have the resources (and won't have the British support) to invade and occupy any more countries. Even if we've proven we're willing to, potential enemies also know that we can't.
And if you don't make peace with me, I'll sick my dogs on you!!!
The most revealing part of the Time article that speaks to Bush's lunacy in a completely detached from reality kind of way is...
"I myself am from a region," he noted, "where we raise cows — probably the most beautiful and best in the world."
--- Dubya Bush
Will the war'n'peace preznit then declare the war on terra won?
I guess they're starting to realize this whole "war preznit" thing isn't playing too well.
And once the rest of the Abu Ghraib images come out, especially the rumored videos of children being tortured in front of their mothers, Bush is really going to be begging for a little world peace, before the entire fucking world declares war on us.
Okay, the first four years we've seen,
Ignorance is Strength, now we are seeing War is Peace.
Can Freedom is Slavery be far behind?
Why, pray tell, is this inability to deal with reality not a sign of mental illness?
Inquiring minds want to know.
So, Wizard of Oz style, if he can invent some organization to award him it's "International Peace Prize", will that automatically make him a Peace President?
Just wondering what he thinks the actual credentials for a Peace President are, and how we'll know it when it happens.
Can Freedom is Slavery be far behind?
Don't you mean the other way around?
A Nobel Peace Prize my pal Dubya!
Ah yes, the Prince of Peace.
Is that something like the Elvis of War?
I think this "bright idea" was a result of "Reaganpalooza" week. Reagan had a desire for world peace and pursued in a hawkish manner and this was more clear as his time went on. While one could argue that he prolonged the cold war by taking this tack, the hagiographers have painted him as the man who ended the Cold War. Bush & Rove probably see an opening for trying to paint Bush in the same light. The only problem is that it's unclear where we'll "wage peace" (in Iraq--that's a joke) and how we'll continue to fight terror.
Fear has driven the wing nuts crazy. It a primal fear. It's the only explanation. They're fearful so instead of seeming fearful, they project anger.
That Capitol Hill Blue report sounds more credible with each passing day...
I'm beginning to seriously believe the wheels are coming off:
Yet despite the President's efforts, the diplomatic tensions won't simply disappear. When Bush was asked if he would offer Chirac a coveted invitation to his Texas ranch, the President seemed hesitant. "If he wants to come and see some cows, he's welcome to come out there," he told the French magazine Paris Match. Chirac, a former agriculture minister, was just as cool in an NBC interview. "I myself am from a region," he noted, "where we raise cows — probably the most beautiful and best in the world."
This is in keeping with his bizarre "There's Texas--and then there's the rest of the world" (IIRC) comment. That bit about "If he wants to come and see some cows" is awfully close to: "But damned if I'll be there." And the rest is just plain weird.
Bush may believe his shit don't stink, as they saying goes, but that doesn't mean he can get enough people to agree with him in November. Either cognitive dissonance is frying his brain, or he really is as dumb as we thought, and it's just finally become undeniable.
Two things:
First, it's obvious that a mentally ill, and I mean a seriously mentally ill person has his fratboy coward finger on the buttton.
Two, those in the media who refuse to refer to him as mentally ill are for all intents and purposes accessories in his crimes, and need to be dealt with accordingly.
mmmm , this kool aid is good.look mom, you can do anything on this kool aid. especially if you have the press to pour out on command extra helpings of my very special kool aid.
Bush is neither a war pres. or a peace pres. he is a Fuck'n War Criminal, seems war crime is permissible if your president.
Ahh, War is Peace. It all makes sense now.
That Capitol Hill Blue report sounds more credible with each passing day...
No shit! I read it again this morning, and it's all coming true, I think. And that cow statement - proof he's coming completely unraveled?
the media...need to be dealt with accordingly
Absolutely, but what do you suggest?
I'm wondering myself if there's anything to this whole CIA coup de tat business. It would be interesting to say the least.
Is that something like the Elvis of War?
Ah well I bless my soul
What’s wrong with me?
I’m itching like a man on a fuzzy tree
My friends say I’m actin’ wild as a bug
I’m all shook up
Mm mm oh, oh, yeah, yeah!
My tongue get tied when I try to speak
My insides shake like a leaf on a tree
There’s only one cure for this body of mine
That’s to have the war that I love so fine!
You can't pin me down to one part.
I can play Reagan or even Bogart.
My John Wayne's the best,
But I'll put it to rest.
I'll be the whore with the golden heart.
Is torture depraved?
Is setting up a phony legal pretext for torture depraved?
Contribute to the research:
http://www.depravityscale.org/
Final question: Is the President of the United States of America a depraved lunatic?
he wants to spend his next four years being "a peace President." Officials in the Administration contend he has more credibility as a diplomat now that he has shown a willingness to use force to back his principles.
That's right, George. You can absolutely win the election on this premise.
Make it the cornerstone of your campaign. Do not waver from it. Oh, and keep up the Kerry attack ads - in fact, bump the negative ads up to 90% or so.
(Hellooooooo, President Kerry!)
Ah yes, the Prince of Peace.
More like Dark Prince of Peace.
Ah yes, the Prince of Peace.
More like Dark Prince of Peace.
" "I myself am from a region," he noted, "where we raise cows — probably the most beautiful and best in the world.""
That's actually Chirac who said that. Bush is crazy enough as he is.
After all, Bush tried to pass himself off as the Education President in the last election. Given his, er, accomplishments in the field of education to date, he might just as well pass himself off as a Peace President.
Does this mean we have won the war? And for bonus points, which one?
"he wants to spend his next four years being "a peace President.""
Does this mean he's giving up on the war on terror???
Is he cutting and running?
If this guy makes peace the way he makes war, we're doubly fucked.
That is a Chirac quote, and is typical of French political pandering. No way would Chirac not note that France has good cattle. One of the few regional expressions to survive the intense cultural and political nationalization in France that began with the Third Republic is cuisine. Every year there what is essentially a national state fair held outside Paris. If you are a French naional politician, you will attend. If you are of sufficient importance, you will milk a cow.
Speaking personally, if you are an American visitor from the general public, you will eat samples of dairy and meat dishes until your cholesteral threat level moves up to "red." You will limp to public transportation and fall asleep on the way back into the city.
For the tinfoil hat crowd (That includes me as well)
If this president says he is going to be a peace president now, you might construe that might mean Bin Laden is vanquished? Then you can roll that into an October surprise conspiracy.
Nah...too complicated for this President. And that would mean Bush would have to remember that Bin Laden was the nasty that attacked us.
There is only one thing I want the war president to be.
The former president. And even that makes me shudder.
This thread is making me miss Ronnie.
I suspect that after the media fawning over the death of Reagan has died down and we return to bad news of bushwars, this "peace president" initiative will wind up in the dustbin along with the mission to Mars and the "roadmap" for the Palestinian state.
it'll sink without a trace, particularly since Bechtel, Halliburton, and Fluor Corporations are going to demand their due from the 'presidency' they own.
Is lunacy still a recognized medical term, or has it been placed in the archaic realm of moron and idiot?
Strange, they all seem to fit someone we know...
"If he wants to come and see some cows, he's welcome to come out there," he told the French magazine Paris Match. Chirac, a former agriculture minister, was just as cool in an NBC interview. "I myself am from a region," he noted, "where we raise cows — probably the most beautiful and best in the world."
i'd like to show bushie the back end of the cow. shove his head right up it's ass. feel like torture georgie? better'n hav'n your head shoved down a toilet isn't it? now some one get the water board.
press, we don't need no stink'n press, we will get the truth out of this mother f'er yet. ok, fantasy over.
on another note, it occurs to me they have already started the plan. backing away from the insurgents and letting the iraqis deal. despite the obvious inadequacies of this newly trained force. and did anyone really believe they could train up a security force of 200,000 in one year, admist on going violence, and regional tensions? no, i don't think they did and i don't think they care.
the plan; reduced troop casualties in lieu of election. iraqi casualties? fuck them, they'll have to make their own election plans.
WAR CRIMINAL, i love the way that sounds. just saying.
I think the diagnosis that everyone here is grasping for is "sociopathy". A guy who mocks a woman he had executed, who laughs about another being convicted after his lawyer slept through the trial, who blew up frogs as a kid, who sends men to their deaths and then jokes about how "those WMDs must be around here somewhere", who cannot admit he is wrong, who attacks any and all, foriegn or domestic, who dare to disagree with him...it all adds up to one thing: sociopathy, which is defined as the inability to empathize with others or show compassion to them.
The president is a sociopath.
The reality is unimportant, only the label and perception that matters.
Ah, the old form over substance argument. Bush has learned well from his wanker buddy Blair.
Keep in mind, this is the same guy that claims to have done more for minorities and the poor than ANY other president.
In my opinion, the torture memos are WAY more than enough to impeach the simple bastard.
There is no discussion about "if torture were needed"...for all the reasons you all know. But there is one more that I have yet to see anyone mention. WHO do we think would take a job as torturer?
What does a JOB as torturer do to a person? Either they are sadists to begin with...with a license to torture, in which case they may like causing pain too much, ("Okay..I'll
tell you everything and I won't LIE!!" "umm..hang on, I still got some of my best toys I haven't even used yet") or they are "normal" and our government would be putting them into a situation that definitely makes one...not normal after a while. Either they lose their souls becoming inured to peoples pain, or they grow to like it, OR they crack up.
Should a retired torturer be able to start up a day-care center? Would you want your kid to go there? How about as a neighbor? How about the guy down at the end of the bar that you just accidentally bumped and spilled beer on? Care to run into this guy outside?
And where would it stop? Who would decide?
There is NO time when a just nation would condone torture. There IS risk in any country, but democracy requires people take the risk. That what we do matters. That we have to take risks if we want to be free.
If we want to live in a totalitarian regime, with torture and disappearing the norm, well lets just say it right out loud, we don't want the USA to be the USA anymore.
We gave it our shot, but in the end, we we wimps that would give up anything just for the illusion (and that's all it ever is) of security and a "Pappa figure" that is a nutcase.
Hooboy...
Jennifer,
Bingo! and more than just the President himself.
"Mental health is the commitment to reality at any cost."
--M. Scott Peck, M.D., "The Road Less Travelled"
" . . . .And once the rest of the Abu Ghraib images come out, especially the rumored videos of children being tortured in front of their mothers, Bush is really going to be begging for a little world peace, before the entire fucking world declares war on us."
--If those pictures atually exist, what makes you think they'll EVER let them come out and be seen by the American public, much less the rest of the world?
--As for "lunacy," yes Atrios, you see it quite clearly and accurately. However, isn't it just as much "insanity" that "Time" magazine prints this shit with a straight face and the rest of the media plays along too? To borrow an analogy from the world of addiction (how fitting, giving Dubya's "dry drunk" alcoholism, don't you think?), not only is the addict insane, but so are those around him or her who enable his or her addiction. I mean just witness the spectacle of the lionizing mentally detached and disociated St. Ronnie that the media has shoved down our throats for the past week . . . .
--We live in a mentally ill world . . . or at least, society.
"_______ Presidents" that are actually within Bush's abilities:
-Nerf President
-Tractor Pull President
-Soups & Stews President
-Embezzlement Prezzledent (he hasn't stolen money that I know of since his business days, but it sounds good.)
-Senior Class President
But I just want him to be the Unemployed President.
The piece pResident?
Me first! Me first!
Gimme my piece now!
and a piece for all my friends!
and the rest of you?
you can pick up the pieces after I'm done.
I think the diagnosis that everyone here is grasping for is "sociopathy". A guy who mocks a woman he had executed, who laughs about another being convicted after his lawyer slept through the trial, who blew up frogs as a kid, who sends men to their deaths and then jokes about how "those WMDs must be around here somewhere", who cannot admit he is wrong, who attacks any and all, foriegn or domestic, who dare to disagree with him...it all adds up to one thing: sociopathy, which is defined as the inability to empathize with others or show compassion to them.
The president is a sociopath.
Jenifer,the psychologist that interviewed the Nazis at the the Nurenbergh(sp) trials,said that was the common personality ALL the defendents possessed or actually didnt possess,EMPATHY!,thank goodness shrub is a LOUSY actor and wont be able to pull it off.
Does he seriously think this will work? Failed war, torture scandals, a 'fuck you' attitude toward the rest of the world, institutionalized attempts to stifle dissent, slow, overt degredations of personal and environmental protections...and he wants to be a Peace President.
Yeah, that's going to work swell.
sociopathy, which is defined as the inability to empathize with others or show compassion to them.
The president is a sociopath.
Jennifer
A subset of being a sociopath is Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
"An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or in behaviour), need for admiration and a marked lack of empathy which starts at early adulthood and is present in a variety of contexts."
More detail at the link.
What? Bush has stolen the Kucinich platform.Rod Serling could'nt write this script...........but Orwell could and did.
olds88, i'd settle for "former president."
that thought had crossed
my mind. I had a Narcissistic boyfriend. They are pretty convincing
buggers until you find out about
the disorder. I think 90% of politicians are Narcissists.
Can you say "flip-flopper"??
Isn't sociopathy set apart from NPD by criminal activity?
A long time ago I was researching this issue in relation to my mother. NPD seemed dead on for her behavior versus sociopathy. I also seem to remember that sociopathy has another title something like associative personality disorder or something similar?
Given the Chimps tendency to do exactly the opposite of that which he proposes (eg: "Clear Skies Inititiative"=Roll back pollution regulations/"No Child Left Behind"=Cuts in education; etc), my first reaction when i read that Bush states he is going to be the "Peace President" in his next term was "My God, he's gonna nuke the shit out of somebody!!" Maybe we should start referring to Bush and the rest of his minions as The Insane Clown Posse.
Bush reminds me of the "bull in the china closet"....Living sober for 22 years, I give the credit to God and A.A., and a small amount from me to be willing to change....My A.A.Big Book says"A man is unthinking that sobriety is enough.After a disastrous storm and everything ruined, he said to his wife,'Don't see anything the matter here, Ma. Ain't it grand the wind stopped blowin'?"Alcoholism is a physical, mental, and spiritual disease...Whether Bush is one, I can't say, but it sure tells me he needs the 12step program...unfortunately very few get help unless they truly are "sick and tired of being sick and tired"....A grateful alcoholic, Ginny
With all apologies to the Music Man:
Flip a little, flop a little, flip a little, flop a little! Flip, flip, flip! Flop a lot, flip a little more!
Speaking of lunacy, check out this Iraq War cost meter:
http://www.costofwar.com/
No empathy? It's time to put Bush through the Voight-Kampff test.
Medley...
what about
"Dance a little two step"
Durning in the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.
Later the same morning, shadowly sources at the White House admitted that Bushliar was likely to spend the next four years (x10) as a 'Peace Convict.'
Says Bushliar, privately, 'What you need to know is that he will really be an undercover warden, like Robert Redford, especially the part where he bites the pillow every night for decades.'
The only thing that stops NPD from
developing into a full blown sociopathy is the social mores that
surronds the Narcissist. The more power that is given a narcissist the
less they act within normal acceptable behavior.
Bush a Peace President? Why of course! Haven't you heard? War is Peace.
Reagan Afterlife Update: not much to report. Reagan is still sucking Satan's schlong for all he's worth. He'll be doing that for a long time.
TW: You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, Tom, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back, Tom. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that, Tom?
San Francisco mayoral candidate Tom Ammiano: That’s interesting. I don’t know. I’m a republican?
OT:
Now that our national week of deification is over...
How 'bout some funereal fun?
This news just in:
Ronald Reagan is still dead.
On Jennifer's comments...
There is just a book out from a professional psychologist on Bush's sociopathic and weird behaviors.
Anyone has the link? Look for the author to do TV shows to plug the book.
This will bring Bush's state of mind into the news again.
what is the terminator thinking in that pic? Any guesses?
Isn't sociopathy set apart from NPD by criminal activity?
EkCenTrik - I was probably incorrect in saying NPD is a subset of sociopathy, more that they share in some of the diagnosis as in lack of empathy.
IIRC Ted Bundy was a classic sociopath, Ann Rule's books went into sociopaths a lot, and the medical definition. Associative personality disorder sounds correct, as in a person that lacks grounding in a belief system and takes their personality from the people around them.
Maybe someone trained in the field can add something more than my armchair analysis from memory.
This news just in: Ronald Reagan is still dead.
What's the over/under on Reagan's challenge to the resurrection record currently held by jeebus?
Three days is a time that's gonna be tough to beat.
_______
BTW, one of the biggest stories to have been buried in the media's mourning porn has been Tenet's departure from the CIA. Wonder whether coverage of the CIA will be revived next week.
What are they giving him that he is talking about his next four years...
I want those drugs too.
This news just in: Ronald Reagan is still dead.
What's the over/under on Reagan's challenge to the resurrection record currently held by jeebus?
Three days is a time that's gonna be tough to beat.
Letterman told me that Eisenhower arose this week and had pie. So it could take a while.
No, I just hope Ike goes and kicks a few "military industrial complex" a-holes for us all.
Lookin' for votes in all the wrong places, isn't he?
The only peace he has brought so far is in 4x7 plots, one death to a customer.
I want him to be the Peace Brush Cutter. Now that is a fitting job for him.
Scorpio
Eccentricity
I can gauruntee that Bush is going to be the 'winner' in the elections. But this time around we can't be passive about the criminalty of his
being in office.
I can gauruntee that Bush is going to be the 'winner' in the elections.
Nah. The war'n'peace preznit is likely gonna be spending his next term cow-whispering in Waco.
and hitler was ready to become the peace chancellor after demonstrating that he could use force to back his principles.
churchill said no. neither did roosevelt.
Laura,
If the president is an NPD personality, it wouldn't take drugs. I have felt that they cannot only manipulate, but by pandering to their 'needs', be manipulated themselves. A layman's theory. A perfect puppet.
Monica and Renato....
We need Chevy Chase... and is Franco still dead?
I just did that Will Smith thing where I opened my mouth to speak, and then shut it to order my spinning thoughts.
Friends of mine had a band in NYC called Cop Shoot Cop. They produced a t-shirt with a big handgun and the phrase "Piece, Man". So maybe that's what Bush is on about. Maybe he's gonna give everyone on the planet a gun and let Darwinism...wait, he doesn't believe in...oh, crap, my head hurts again.
Whoever upthread contrasted the Prince of Peace with the Elvis of War has my eternal respect. I am so stealing that.
I hear Crawford's mighty peaceful.
Mighty peaceful indeed.
bush is not a sociopath. sociopaths are typically of above average intelligence, and charming (Clinton?). i'm in for some sort of more genaralized personality disorder. however he's gotta a lot of sociopaths working for him. most classic example D. Rumsfeld. and those little pricks wolfie and cambone, now their is some serious sociopathy. but first and foremost they are all WAR CRIMINALS!
The Peace President...more like the Piece (of Shit) President.
Peace President = Weak on Terra
Can't wait.
The problem, of course, is that the "real war" has only intensified during his "war" term, mainly as a result of his actions and neglect. Al Qaeda attacks are apparently up substantially, and what we need is a president who will fight the right war in the right way.
If [Chirac] wants to come and see some cows, he's welcome to come out there . . .
Chirac's seen the dairy where Marie Antoinette liked to play milkmaid. So he knows what to expect in Crawford.
Ah yes, the Prince of Peace.
So can we call him "Prince" for short or should we call him "The president formerly known as the War President"?
Where did the cows come from? I thought there was no livestock on the "ranch."
Wasn't the president going to give a state of the occupation speech every week until June 30 when Iraq is to be granted full soberty?
Have I missed three of these?
Karlsfini
He is still practicing his delivery with the cattle in Crawford.
So far the steers are going hard right but the little lady cows are hanging left.
To solidify Bush's new position as "Peace President", Scott McClellan held a press conference to announce that from now on, President Bush will be referred to as "President Reagan".
NPD is almost wholly untreatable - most individuals with the disorder refuse any sort of clinical treatment out of hand. Seeing a therapist is the only way to get out of it, and it is a long, hard road that the narcissist generally doesn't want to walk (because of the nature of the disorder). Most who even are begun in therapy tend to deceive their therapists, change them to find one more pliant, or to stop therapy altogether by themselves.
I'm not a psychologist, but I've spent a good deal of time looking into NPD (I'm a sometime writer, and it's a topic I'd like to do something with). George W. Bush has, to me, the very certain signs - from his black and white worldview to his need to be right to the systematic scapegoating he performs to his clear fantasy world of perfect greatness - of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and the Right is acting as his constant enablers.
As in most cases of NPD, the only solution is to terminate the dysfunctional relationship.
bush is not a sociopath. sociopaths are typically of above average intelligence, and charming
You'll have to take my word that I am an expert in this field. My diagnosis is that this bush fellow is a 2 BIT HUSTLER.
It's in the interest of -- uhh -- uhh, long-term peace in the world that we -- uhh -- work for a free and secure and peaceful Iraq. A peeance, freeance secure Iraq in the midst of the Middle East will have enormous historical impact.
-- Oct. 27, 2003
well, considering he can barely stumble over the word, it's fitting
What strikes me about this item with regard to NPD is that Bush doesn't see himself as "making war" or "making peace." He sees himself as "a war president" or "a peace president." One of the classic symptoms of NPD is that narcissist's fantasies take the form of tableaux vivant, static fantasies about how they are regarded by others.
Wayne
Is the belief they are being persecuted also inherent.
Damn I shouldn't be this lazy, I should be googling...
President Bush will be referred to as "President Reagan".
God, how will Cheney be referred to?
No I'm sorry, but lunacy in a mentally ill sort of way. Stark raving howling-at-the-moon kind of delusional reverie where they intercept secret Kerry communications via the fillings in their capped molars. Loopy looney mentally ill kind of schizophrenic hallucinations. In an absurd bizarre goofy daffy irrational preposterous batty kind of way.
I'm afraid the Reagan week more than underscored what we're up against with the media. They don't even give a fuck about ratings anymore. All that they're about is supporting their GOP king. They don't even care if anyone watches. If the media can consistenly turn a blind eye to Reagan's obvious dementia, it's a "slam dunk" for them to ignore Bush's lunacy.
Sucks for us.
Where did the cows come from? I thought there was no livestock on the "ranch."
Wasn't the president going to give a state of the occupation speech every week until June 30 when Iraq is to be granted full soberty?
Have I missed three of these?
Sorry for the double post. Not sure how that happened.
Peace President--I laughed so hard, the coffee I was drinking almost came out of my nose.
The new and perfect motto for Bush:
The War is Peace President
Stinky,
What about the concept that the media majority are unable to distinguish the truths from the fantasies. Is a journalist or a reporter of today what they were years ago. I keep seeing people give their analysis of a particular situation and realize that they did not break any ground, it was simple fact reporting coupled with personal views. They may ask a question but never get out of their chair to follow up on their own. Then when they do get an answer, again they really do not chase it down for the veracity of the answer. Lazy, untrained, ill prepared, uninterested, under educated or simply unable to apply critical thought. Pick one, but with the exception of the back channels and a few brave souls, I do not see anyone picking news apart and giving it the harsh and glaring light of truth. If things are really as they seem to us as readers of this blog and many others, people such as Atrios and Josh Marshall might be considered front line combatants and even heroic farther down the road. (I know that sounds weird, but the mind works but the typing skills are still asleep).
EkCenTrik - With NPD? Feelings of entitlement, victimization, and persecution are part and parcel, yes (and do describe W to a T). The narcissist is the hero of his own fantasy world, and when reality interferes with this he blames it on persecutors.
What's sick about the case of George W. Bush is that his fanatical supporters have accepted his self-image as reality, and feed into Bush's narcissism. Essentially, he is playing out his part on a world stage, and retreating into denial as it turns out he is not the man he thinks he is. It's just a theory, I haven't personally met the man and don't have the qualifications to analyze him, but it makes perfect sense of everything he's been doing.
In the English language, why is there no singular gender-neutral word for a cattle?
We have cat, dog, monkey, turtle, etc, but that lone cattle out there in the field is either a cow[F], bull[M], steer[M], or heifer[F]??
Oh yeah, I'm sure those evildoers, freedom haters, and terrorists who have no value for human life are now just quaking in their boots after Commander Codpiece put them in their place over the past 3 years. Gee just how many attacks have we had since he came into office....what's that you say, we have had more attacks now than in 2000.
I can hear him now, "lay down your arms, lay down your airplanes used as missiles, lay down your nucular desires cause as I have shown you, when I say something I mean it. Bring it on Bring it on."
The only people Bush is going to fool with this "I'm a Peace Preznit" only about 4 months after he declared, "I'm a War Preznit" on Timmeh's Press the Meat Show are those who are his base and those he has already fooled. Unfortunately that list includes much of the cable/tv media and the owners of said companies. And that is all we will hear about from now on.
yes, like compassion, it will only be for election sake. if he would win, it would be more wars. even if the army can't affrord it.
"President Bush will be referred to as "President Reagan".
"God, how will Cheney be referred to?"
--How about "motherfucking asshole?"
Bastards just make it up as they go.
The accurate label will be "The Ex-President"
"God, how will Cheney be referred to?"
Vice President Edgar Bergen perhaps?
"The president is a sociopath."
---I've got news for you. Professional politics attracts the highest proportion of sociopaths of any profession. This is a statistic related to me by two different psychology students who took two different psychology classes at different schools.
--Moreover, it is pretty amazing to have a person who was born an insider like Gore Vidal, who has known more than his fair share of politicians during his life, refer specific ones, time and time again, as sociopaths, albeit "charming sociopaths.'
--But, the reality is, that most sociopaths ARE charming. Why do you think so many people, for example, were wooed by Clinton? Or, why, for example, did the press corps fawn all over Dubya during 2000 and tell us how wonderful he was with people one-on-one?
--Welcome to the world we live in.
I'm sorry, I just laughed out loud when I read that first sentance!!!!
Considering how badly he fucked up his wars I wouldn't put it past him to totally fuck up peace. We know he has made prosperity out of reach for average Americans.
Gary,
The brain gears have been stripping since you asked your question.
The best I can come up with is ....
"Cattle of One"
Pathetic I know...
delusional
Did he really blow up frogs as a kid? Thatis an earlier warning sign of sociopathy.
What was it that Orwell said? "War is peace" or something like that wasn't it?
cs, yep that and shoot them with bb guns.
a group of about 6 kids ages 9 to 11 just came running down my block chanting "pray for ronald reagan" and tying toilet paper "ribbons" around the trees. i guess it's still to early for a drink, unfortunately.
i guess it's still to early for a drink, unfortunately.
As a wise man once told me, it is 7pm somewhere in the world.
I rarely watch tv so I didn't have to see much of the Reagan extravaganza. But I did watch part of the funeral yesterday and I did empathize with Nancy and his kids. I could remember my own dad's funeral and the carnival of thoughts that went through my head, only occasionally connecting to what was being said.
At the risk of sounding preachy, empathy isn't selective, it connects us to the human condition -- Zorba's whole damn catastrophy. I found myself amazed that Bush seemed unable to connect, even in his eulogy, which seemed strung together soundbites accented with that delusional assertiveness we know so well. There he was in that enormous cathedral, designed to gather us together in awareness of our individual insignifance and the man seemed untouched, oblivious to it all. As I watched I thought, "This man is truly ill." Which makes this thread all the more fascinating to me . . .
"a group of about 6 kids ages 9 to 11 just came running down my block chanting "pray for ronald reagan" and tying toilet paper "ribbons" around the trees. i guess it's still to early for a drink, unfortunately."
...i just blew my coffee out my nose.
BTW I just saw a study wherein alcohol abuse in US is way UP in the past two years.
No.
Because nobody in this group reads, let alone reads past a headline, they were sitting there watching TV when Condi noticed the pundits talking about this strange speach Reagan gave back in the 1980's about this concept of 'Peace through Strength.'
Karl overheard since he was in the adjacent room with a glass cup to his ear against the wall.
Condi kicked george and Karen Hughes out of bed and called out to Karl who thought she was calling for him to come in and show her zee German efficient way to fuck zee lower race women.
They now have embraced the concept, but they had Karen put on a teddy and tell George that he was going to be a 'Piece (of ass) president.'
How do I know this is true?
He doesn't smirk when he says it, and is smiling too damned much for something so somber and wise a concept.
MYOB'
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I think that the only plans Bush should make for the next four years, is clearing brush at the ranch. It is over. . .
Is it just me or shouldn't whether we are at war or peace be determined by any actual THREAT we face?
But like with everything else, the Bushies determine whether or not to go to war on the political situation. Just like John Diulio said, 'no policy. all politics.'
"Peace President"? This, from the same wanker who called Ariel Sharon a "man of peace"? Excuse me while I barf my lunch.
Before Jon Stewart gets around to it, how about "Douchebag President"?
Doesn't he get it? We don't want him to be a War President or a Peace President. We only want him to be an ex-President!
Totally agree with cs's post about Bush in the cathedral. The man cannot connect. He's got one gear: feigned assertiveness. Digby had a good post about it: he's a small man and people can see he's a loser.
What I don't understand in how in the world he can expect anything but war over the next four years. Iraq is hardly a "peaceful" place, heck if I was Al-Qaeda I'd be gunning for a President Bush because it sounds like he's bent on prematurely withdrawing American troops. And the "war on terror" -- wasn't that supposed to take fifty years? What about Afghanistan? It is a mistake to both declare war prematurely and to declare peace prematurely. Bush is the only president I've seen who's capable of both.
Since he had no concept of what it takes to be a "war" President (for example, the war has to actually be necessary), I shudder to think what his idea of "Peace" entails. "Peace", I suspect, means an absence of U.S. troops in battle. As the new Iraqi security forces are proving every day that would be a highly unwise move at the moment. The U.S. shouldn't be in Iraq, but its exit requires orchestration and diplomacy, two things which the Bush administration lacks.
Bush is in his own universe; wars start when he wants them to, end when he says so, and all he has to do to get what he wants is ask for it. His conception of himself is himself as Reagan, resolutely facing the challenge of terrorism and thereby bringing peace to the world. In reality, the U.S. is run by a deluded pseudo-Christian President (Clinton attended church much more frequently than Bush) whose abilities are far outstripped by his own fantasies. There are no professionals in this Administration. I hope we get some in November.
"It may help overseas, yes," says a top Bush campaign adviser, "but if nothing else, it gives us ammunition to push back against Kerry."
Yes. That is the language of a Peace Candidate right there.
We are going to totally rule in our diplopmacy!
Keep in mind, that if Bush is allowed to paint himself as a compromiser--which he would by suddenly embracing diplomatic outreach-- that would be yet another flip-flop. And, something else he would invariably fail to accomplish.
If only his principles weren't insane...
... Like I was saying, this is the wrong time to play "Peace President".
There is a book titled War and Peace. Perhaps Bush saw it in a bookstore and thought it would be a catchy title for him in his next term.
Just think. He's a peace broker until you don't do as he asks (demands), then he unleashes his dog-of-war in order to protect the world from evil-doers that don't follow his guidelines for peace. He would have the best of both worlds!
were it that the world is filled with simple-minded dolts.
regards
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Scott said....
We don't have the resources ...
I do believe that the jury is coming to a final verdict on the all-volunteer amred forces...its'not all its was quacked up to be.
We rely too heavily on the Guard and Reserve to supplement and compliement the active-duty components. The active duty is in for the long haul and the Guard and Reserve have their work and family to get back too. Not to mention their real jobs where they are loosing out on pay, promotions, and advancement opportunites. That adds up to more money than what the Guard and Reserve duty pays.
Congress is gonna have to beef up the active duty side of the house which will require more money in the form of taxes levied on the taxpayer. Oooppppppsssss!!! there went all of Bush's tax cuts! Sorry, mate!
regards
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To paraphrase Tacitus, "he makes a devastation, and calls it peace."
Where did the cows come from? I thought there was no livestock on the "ranch."
He leases grazing rights to neighboring ranchers. You know, real ones.
As for the peace president, if he really wanted the world to be peaceful, he'd through himself down a well and rid us of his stupidity.
Well, this just goes to show that Bush is no Reagan. Reagan understood that to successfully divorce messaging from policy requires a degree of consistency in both, even if action and speech are completely divergent. Bush simply believes that he must say one thing and do the opposite, with no regard to what he said or did last week.
Let's be glad for this stupidity - it's our best chance for ditching him.
And he'll remain the peace president until Rove sees short-term political gain to be made from him being the war guy again.
Quote from the article:
..."but if nothing else, it gives us ammunition to push back against Kerry."
A couple of thoughts:
1.) Guys, if you're going to sell your man as a "Peace President", stop using words like "ammunition". You've got to stop using the language of conflict if you're going to get away with this shtick.
2.) You've just admitted that the War in Iraq is politically bad for Bush. I wouldn't expect a promotion any time soon.
3.) Kerry once jumped out of a patrol boat, chased down a man armed with a rocket launcher and killed him. Just a friendly reminder that while you play armchair campaign warrior, the real warrior has you in his sights.
So Bush is morphing into the "peace president," taking vengence for us all on blood-thirsty, war-mongering Kerry. It would be hilarious if it were'nt so pathetically sick and twisted.
I've been helping a friend move (you know what they say, a friend will help you move, but only a BEST friend will help you move a body) so I missed the later comments on this thread, and I noted a few people referring to Clinton as a sociopath.
Off the mark, I think, because I do not believe that Clinton was or is unable to show compassion or empathy for others. He's definitely narcissistic; anyone who runs for the presidency must by definition have a touch of narcissism.
Sociopathy, if I recall correctly, differs in that the sociopath holds himself out as being above the law in all regards, because the impact of his actions upon others never enters into the equation. A person can be a narcissist without being a criminal; a sociopath by definition almost always involves the element of criminal behavoir.
War president of peace president? You decide. Neither is a comforting thought.
HAH!! You're assuming that there will actualy BE an election. That's not exactly a sure thing.
Dumbya is unquestionably a sociopath. Jeb, Neil and Marvin probably too. Barbara definitely is a sociopath and the mother from Psycho. George Herbert maybe not. Clinton is a horny bastard and the unsurpassed-hell, unapproached-winner of the "cuddly/have a beer with" contest, but by no means is anything like a sociopath.
Totally fits with the Orwellian tone that BushCo set early on. Anyone who votes for the Supreme Dimwit deserves every level of Hell available.
I have bombed Iraq back to the stone age. Now, for my second act, I will become the Massive Rebuilder Preznit.
Mr. Smirksalot
I have drunk, snorted and popped every known mood altering drug ever invented. Now, I will become Preznit Sobriety.
Mr. Smirksalot
Try this out:
Bush = psychopath
NOUN: A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.
Jeremiah Elias: Way off on Clinton. One of the things people who've been around him, even his enemies, will note is he has a vast amount of empathy, for everyone.
To those above who wondered about livestock on Bush's ranch: he doesn't have any, but lets a neighbor's herd graze there.
So, Wizard of Oz style, if he can invent some organization to award him it's "International Peace Prize", will that automatically make him a Peace President?
Just wondering what he thinks the actual credentials for a Peace President are, and how we'll know it when it happens.
semper ubi |
AEI's man of the year for peace?
Sociapath. Pyschotit empathy matched with feigned sympathy/social behavior.
Personally no better thana psychopath, every bit as suspicsious opf criticism.
More dangerous because his outward appearance identifies with qualities shared by the gentry...
Psychotic* Psychotit sounds like B movie villianess' name...
I should have done this originally, but here it is from the web, the general symptoms of sociopathy:
Not learning from experience (how many companies did W run into the ground?)
No sense of responsibility (how many times was W bailed out of businesses he ran into the ground?
Inability to form meaningful relationships (with France or Germany, perhaps? Or even with Democrats.)
Inability to control impulses (such as the impulse to start an unessecessary war.)
Lack of moral sense (needs no example)
Chronically antisocial behavoir (as in flipping off the UN.)
No change in behavoir after punishment (since that's never happened, hard to know if it fits.)
Emotional immaturity ( such as inability to admit mistakes or change direction, laughing at the deaths of others, etc.)
Lack of guilt (for lying us into a war, killing or torturing civilians and sending our troops ill-prepared into an unneeded war.)
Self-centeredness (who cares if 90% of the people never get their social security, as long as my pals get a tax cut?)
"People with this disorder may exhibit criminal behavoir. They may not work (Camp David and the Crawford ranch, anyone?). If they do work, the are frequently absent (ditto) or may quit suddenly (TANG). They do not consider other people's wishes, welfare, or rights (too many examples to list). They can be manipulative and may lie to gain personal pleasure or profit (every time he opens his mouth). They may default on loans, fail to provide child support, or fail to care for their dependents adequately. High risk sexual behavoir and substance abuse are common (such as alchoholism). Impulsiveness, failure to plan ahead (Iraqi occupation), agressiveness, irritability (even for just speaking French), irresponsibility (again, too many examples to list), and a reckless disregard for their own safety or the safety of others (our troops, our citizens, and Iraqi civilians) are traits of the sociopathic or antisocial personality disorder."
"Socioeconomic status, gender, and genetic factors (Bar's beautiful mind) play a role. Males are more likely to be antisocial than females. Those from lower socioeconomic groups are more susceptible. A family history of the disorder puts one at higher risk."
"There are many theories about the cause of sociopathy or Anti-Social Personality Disorder including experiencing neglectful parenting as a child, low levels of certain neurotransmitters (or perhaps all of them?)in the brain, and belief that antisocial behavoir is justified because of difficult circumstances (such as a "war on terror"?)."
"-But, the reality is, that most sociopaths ARE charming. Why do you think so many people, for example, were wooed by Clinton?"
Oh, dunno, maybe because he presided over the greatest economy in the history of the world?
Suggesting that BC is a sociopath may be politically gratifying, but that's it. He clearly is not a sociopath---for instance, he has apologized several times to the Rwandans for failing to protect them. In that case, he clearly made a political decision, which is of course corrupt as a method, even if it is factual as a social reality in the US. Nothing sociopathic in that; repugnant as that decision was.
Peace president?
Piece of shit president.
Mr. Bush has no peace in his heart.
He is not a spiritual person, he is an angry ego with pride and fear and every sin spitting bullets at all who oppose "his" view.
He needs help, not power.
He needs reality, not enabling.
Recovered addicts have a great humility and willingness to admit wrongs.
Mr. Bush is not such a person. His alcoholism was replaced by a form of religious addiction, commonly regarded as sanity by some. But by sane people, religious addiction (or fundamentalism) is an unspiritual as the more popular vices.
Nobody sane would willingly put an addict in charge most powerful nation in the world.
Our country is at a moral and spiritual crossroads. May the wise and mature among us rise to the occasion.
Speaking of mentally ill, it seems our resident has been diagnosed as a psychotic. I never would have guessed. I thought he was just religious.
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