I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist?
I can't take the Frist thing anymore. My nerves are already shot to hell.
Since impeachment is a political process -- and thus impossible in a Republican controlled Congress -- how does one remove a president for mental incapacity?
Don't anyone suggest elections, that didn't work the first time...
I can't take the Frist thing anymore.
Yeah, REALLY. Don't dominate the raps, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say.
George W. Bush
Not Guilty
Not Insane
Warbaby, you forgot the last line:
NOT!
Thankfully the old buzzard's been planted finally after being drug from one end of the land to the other. The stench was getting unbearable.
Democrats should be embarrassed and ashamed that the Democratic nominee can't look within his own fucking party.
I agree. That really put me off.
how does one remove a president for mental incapacity?
Amendment XXV:
4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Democrats should be embarrassed and ashamed that the Democratic nominee can't look within his own fucking party.
I'm not a Democrat, and I think Kerry approaching McCain had a bit of class. Not realistic, but whatever.
Kerry can't find a liberal vp...democrats can't find a liberal idea...
George Bush
Not Guilty
Not Insane.
-- new Republican ad campaign that will start airing as soon as people get used to the idea that Reagan is still dead --
Ooh, thanks nTodd. The Cabinet does it. That's really swell.
Say, didn't Dick Cheney pick all those guys?
Dick Cheney America's Underground
King. He be rulin' the whole time.
What struck me this past week is the contrast between the actual Reagan funeral and the accompaning commentary by the pundits and radio talk shows.
You got the impression that they saw this weeks funeral as a purely political event seen in terms of the effects on the election or how GW Bush is Reagan's political heir.
I managed to hear a bit of Hannity's show yesterday and he was doing the same thing Limbaugh was doing earler ib the week with snippets of the Wellstone funeral.
I guess their hatred has pushed aside any feelings of grief or sympathy for the deceased former president or his familly.
Do any of the historians here remember if there's ever actually been a "national unity" ticket elected in the U.S.? The only possibility I can think of is Lincoln-Johnson, and that didn't work out too well ...
fwiw-- I realized the big difference between Bush and Reagan, and this is something that Bush simply can't undo.
Like Clinton, actually, Reagan was a self-made man. Came from nothing, to be a really important guy. I think this is a major part of his mythology.
Bush II, on the other hand is a spoiled brat who's had everything handed to him. He has no sense of hard work and self-fulfillment. Most Americans ca see this. This is why, hard as he may try, Bush can never be like Reagan.
o.k. ya'll i am going to bugg you again for help in my draft of a letter to a woman at WNYC's "On The Media"
she is a friend of a friend and I know the letter will be read -so i want the argument to be well crafted an i respect your collective opinion.please help if you can other wise just skip it:
her e-mail to me.....
please just listen to my show. Once you do, you'll feel really
bad for having a go at me for being the mouthpiece for the
government...and for somehow having a hand in the destruction of
American democracy. On the Media is a challenging, counter intuitive,
anti-conventional wisdom voice in an admittedly homogeneous media
landscape.
I think you'll find that we're not your standard NPR fare.
And talking of NPR, yes they are in very very very small part tax-payer
funded (though the HUGE majority of our money comes from individual
donors who CHOOSE to give us their cash) and as such we must provide
BALANCED news to our listeners...but balanced doesn't mean Amy
Goodman/Al Franken/Eric Alterman style reporting. It means objectivity.
And another thing...(now you've got me going), if Brian Lehrer is not
satisfying your need for a ranting left wing diatribe you are actually
better off listening to Air America. But if you want really smart,
really different voices (and yes - brian's gang can and do make the
effort to vary the ethnicity of their guests) on subjects important to
all of our listeners (not exclusively the lefties) then Brian's your
man.
I don't think that your view of the media as a monolithic cabal with a
single guiding principal is useful, or right. Your views are so
obviously colored by your political bias that you are incapable of
applying a cool head to these important issues.
This isn't personal of course.
my response:
As I said before I don't know you and this is not personal so how could and would I hate you! It was an out of nowhere (as you were just trying to have a nice relaxing drink with you friend) intense attack on the job the media is doing, your station's coverage and their policies. You being the only media person I know besides being a producer on "On the Media" got my complaints that had been bottled up for a long time. So I too am sorry. Not for what I said to you because I think my criticism is justified and if the media doesn't get motivated in a time when our gov't is involved in torture, secrecy, secret searches, no bid contracts, eroding civil rights and the power of the media, with a weakening the opposition party then a Pinochet type situation could be at hand. In other words it's only a small step once erosion of international and Nat’l law have been undermined. I’m sorry for disturbing you while you were trying to relax.
What Ulli is referring to (because I recounted the conversation to her) which I said to her and not to you was that I don't think you take your job to seriously? That was not nice and I don't have facts to back tha
This just in: Reagan woke up!
oops got trucated,the rest:
is referring to (because I recounted the conversation to her) which I said to her and not to you was that I don't think you take your job to seriously? That was not nice and I don't have facts to back that up besides some of the comments you made during that surprise attack. This is what I am really sorry for!
The comments you made that made me say that were "I can't think of an Asian journalist” and that Black journalists are hard to find, that you don't think media's role is to check the system (paraphrasing correct me if I’m wrong), that to criticize the administration is to be "not objective”, And that your show was radical last week, (I don't listen to your show but I do go to your web site and read what you are reporting and compare that to what I've read on FAIR, Media Matters, Editor and Publisher) and the typical “if it bleeds it leads “which I think is sooo cynical but if true where are the body bags fro Iraq!!! . I do not read Alterman thoe i have looked at his blog but I understand that he has written a book "What Liberal Media" which I have not read. Amy Goodman I have only listened to a few times and I watch John Stewart more than I listen to Air America radio (I’ve just stopped listening to the radio). But just because they are left doesn’t mean they don’t understand the facts.
I was surprised to hear you talk about objectivity and then send me an e-mail talking about my desire for "a ranting left wing diatribe”. That was personal and I don't think you know me either. I am not a democrat. I want a gov't that is best for the most amount of people and that gives everyone a fair shot and equal rights this is my political bias. I take journalism very seriously read the paper every day more than once and check the AP also many times a day. I read one story from three newspapers to try to get good information. I am doing research so I’m on the computer all day. I don't think being objective means you have a left view then a right one commenting on the news .It is not interpretation of the facts just the facts themselves and their implications. In other words non-ideological. I think Bill Moyers is a journalist that I would herald (among others). The facts are that this administration is the most secretive in history and they have lied to us over and over. They are in the midst of a number of criminal investigations that have huge implications for the American public. Since we most likely won't get this info from the corporate media that benefits from this administrations policies if not you then who? That’s why NPR was created as I understand it. Also if you answer to your contributors more that the public why take public money? Let us spend our taxes on things that actually will help kids who need textbooks or whatever. We are loosing transparency while the “media” in general looks the other way. The freedom of information act is being undermined. If all this continues this will not be
I also gotta wonder what Reagan would have thought of the past weeks coverage. Even by his standard of media manipulation, I have to think he would have thought it was too much. All this drooling adulation seemed to rob the man of some of his dignity, frankly.
.....The freedom of information act is being undermined. If all this continues this will not be a democracy that we recognize.
Here is the transcript of a great interview by Moyers about secrecy with Curley from the AP (not Moe). I would like to continue to have a conversation with you about this although I’m not sure you feel the same.
About your critism of me being “incapable of
applying a cool head to these important issues.” This is right on! I do get really upset because people are dieing due to collective non-action bad reporting and bad policy. It makes me a little emotional.O.K. a lot. But if your not going to get emotional about the suffering of others well…then you’re not me. And I’m not sorry about that. Only that I should do more about it. I know I will not change your mind in any way. But I would like to understand better your thinking on these issues.
http://www.pbs.org/now/
transcrip...ull.html#curley
No wait a second, he's back dead again!
Reagan scooped up by the GOP to be
their congenial mouthpiece, sorta
like Bush. Reagan did better job, tho. Bush has a hard time reading
cue cards and teleprompters.
Reagan scooped up by the GOP to be
their congenial mouthpiece, sorta
like Bush. Reagan did better job, tho. Bush has a hard time reading
cue cards and teleprompters.
haloscan no good. sorry bout double
posts
haloscan no good. sorry bout double
posts
Good God!, he's the UNDEAD! and he's campaigning for Bush!
Looks like Sanchez may be the next fall guy:
Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior U.S. military officer in Iraq, borrowed heavily from a list of high-pressure interrogation tactics used at the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and approved letting senior officials at a Baghdad jail use military dogs, temperature extremes, reversed sleep patterns, sensory deprivation, and diets of bread and water on detainees whenever they wished, according to newly obtained documents.
The U.S. policy, details of which have not been previously disclosed, was approved in early September, shortly after an Army general sent from Washington completed his inspection of the Abu Ghraib jail and then returned to brief Pentagon officials on his ideas for using military police there to help implement the new high-pressure methods.
The documents obtained by The Washington Post spell out in greater detail than previously known the interrogation tactics Sanchez authorized, and make clear for the first time that, before last October, they could be imposed without first seeking the approval of anyone outside the prison. That gave officers at Abu Ghraib wide latitude in handling detainees.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...-
2004Jun11.html
If the GOP talking heads on television, including every employee of Fox News, believed half of what they said this week, they'll be standing around Reagan's grave tomorrow dawn, waiting for him to pop up out of it.
As Incognito demonstrates, people really haven't got used to the idea that Reagan is dead.
But when they do, the next spin cycle will look something like this
maybe Reagan will be exorsized.
That would be something. I wonder how
the christian community would rationalize that...oh look, he's another savior!
You just can't argue with the "balanced doesn't mean Amy Goodman/ Al Franken/ Eric Alterman style reporting" line.
Of course it doesn't. But what does "balanced" mean anyhow, and what the hell does it have to do with protecting the public's right to monitor the government? To me, the word means presenting an average perspective, which has nothing to do with scientific objectivity and everything to do with the winds of prevailing ideology.
And I couldn't even begin to tell you what "objective" is supposed to mean. "On the Media" more than any other program should know that this is an impossible and disingenuous standard.
Of course everyone has ideological assumptions framing his perspective; it would be much more honest to state them up front so any biases are evident and understood by all.
The WaPost just did a writeup on a new book about Bush's lunatic ways: Bush on the Couch.
Wonder if Nancy got ronnie's frequent flyer miles?
i gotta say i think alex nails it on the head at 10:13 and :15 but you gotta admit it was a hell of a show.
i hate amazing grace, holdover from long ago born again days. but the rendition that guy sung in church yesterday, blew me away.
and despite the hagiographic qaulity of the presses coverage, there are substantive aspects of reagan that make him a compelling character. bush has none of that, not one, or two.
and this is speculative, but you know why i think bush 1 started to cry? 'cause he knows his final wing ding won't even come close. i'm not saying he was conscious of it. just saying.
finally, all 3 of them are WAR CRIMINALS so you know, what's the difference.
OT:
Our week-long period of the Press telling us to try to cope with the death of a 93 year old man has ended.
So let's have some funeral fun and blogwhoring.
AAAUGH!! Marines always do find drill work.
Five days of Reagan show was excessive. Anyone remember when LBJ died? Me either.
So now we know Republicans can make hay out of death -- but we already knew that, didn't we?
GWB has not attended even the delivery of caskets at Dover [no less funerals of the deaths that have taken place while following his orders] -- and that is still one of the major disgraces of this administraton. Such an act would be respect without being obtrusive.
Scorpio
Eccentricity
Balanced is representing as many differing viewpoints as possible.
Christopher,
I think "balanced" isn't really possible either. what is the middle ? do you do polls daily/weekly-cause in NY balanced would look very different than balanced in AZ and that could even be week to week.
protecting the public's right to monitor the government....with scientific objectivity
is the only way i can see that we really can get the facts to make good voting descisions.That is the only "objective" way ,i think.
but in these times of relativistic truth-where words like tourture and sovernty
are being redefined,i don't know.
what is the hippocratic oath for journalists?
Balanced is representing as many differing viewpoints as possible.
A claim to balance is quite different from a claim to objectivity.
The media's idea of balance is: the right says this, the center right says that.
No discernable facts exist independently of the opinion of any given side in a factesque argument.
Thus, the great Iraqi misadventure.
Okay, this nonsense about the McCain/Kerry thing has gone far enough.
Here it says, in no uncertain terms:
Mark Salter, McCain's chief of staff, said McCain "has never been offered the vice presidency by anyone."
Is there any "source" other than Drudge holding this story up?
nonymouse,
well that sounds just crazy and impossible to achieve.why does it have to be "balanced " anyway.why can't we just have fact and implications?
Re: Justin Frank's book--everyone who's in the armchair psychoanalysis biz focuses on Bush's alcoholism and how that seems to shape his behavior. Alcoholism is a symptom, not a "disease." What's far more telling about Bush's pathology is his narcissism and sociopathy. He's personality disordered. If he were to enter therapy, it would take years for even small changes. However, he will never seek psychotherapy because one of the hallmark traits of a personality disorder is believing there's nothing wrong. Bush is damaged goods and there is really no help for him. The only way to help this country is to boot his dumb white ass out of office.
one of many great lines from the old movie "airplane!"--
"i haven't felt this sick since we saw that ronald reagan movie."
I wish I'd kept notes on the whoring over the past week. My favorite was said by a man, damned if I can remember who, who said that his opponents got Reagan wrong. Instead of the dolt we thought he was he was actually an "intellectual" make that "INTELLECTUAL!!!!!" who had profound insight into not only the nation but the world.
Anyone hear anything to top that lie?
Is there any "source" other than Drudge holding this story up?
Doesn't the LA Times story cite a McCain campaign staffer? I haven't visited the fedora'd egg-boy's site; is he claiming that source too?
Iota,
Facts and implications much better.
Leave all opinions out of journalism
except if you announce that what you
are about to say is your opinion.
The only reason we are discussing balanced is because the ever-so-clever GOP use that to hide themselves in FOX news reporting.
No discernable facts exist independently of the opinion of any given side in a factesque argument.
thats true when facts and ideology collide.but facts are facts,
like we have troops in Iraq right now.just a fact.it costs $XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX^XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.fact.
money as a nation we have to spend -that money is .....you know facts.I don't need an interpereter.
My favorite was said by a man, damned if I can remember who, who said that his opponents got Reagan wrong. Instead of the dolt we thought he was he was actually an "intellectual" make that "INTELLECTUAL!!!!!" who had profound insight into not only the nation but the world.
I heard that too, on NPR, I think. If I recall correctly, it might've been the guy who runs the Reagan library who said it.
Did anyone hear Michael Deaver with the hush-toned and teary-voiced Scott Simon this morning? Mister Deaver was commenting on some photos he has of Reagan that display what a fine physical specimen of a man Reagan was. O! Mister Deaver!
'Course, Simon went on to opine that Reagan was the preznit -- among all American preznits -- who most directly told the public what he was going to do and then did it.
I'm not sure, but I think Mister Simon was deeply disappointed not to have been able to work the term "with a twinkle in his eyes" into his opining.
I also gotta wonder what Reagan would have thought of the past weeks coverage. Even by his standard of media manipulation, I have to think he would have thought it was too much. All this drooling adulation seemed to rob the man of some of his dignity, frankly.
A week of All-Lordy-How-We'll-Miss-Him broadcasting followed by a national day of mourning and a month or so of flags at half-mast? Nah, he would have eaten it with a spoon. So would you. So would I.
In a world of vast possibilities, it's entirely possible that occasionally, when some people die, they actually don't want the biggest possible fuss made over it. But IMO, anyone who says "He wouldn't have wanted us to go to all that trouble" is kidding herself.
(Also--in no small part because I'm sick to death of the R/D double standard--when Clinton kicks, he damn well better get the same treatment. )
preaching to choir, Iota. Unless we
become part of the borg as it were,
all facts are tainted. But they could
be a lot more untainted. I think reporters should say as little as possible when extolling what they know, and try to do so without swaying public opionion. I hate fox cause they play jugde and jury and their small talk with each over news stories is unprofessional and uncalled for.
I heard some talking head on PBS say Clintons prosperity was due to Reagan-o-mix.
then i turned it off and haven't looked back.
Since we are going to retire Bush, shouldn't he be making plans for his presidential library?
I wonder how big it is going to be...
nonymouse
the reason we're talking about this is i posted an e-mail upthred a person i know at "on the media"sent to me after i confronted her while she was just trying to have a relaxing drink.
and i wanted help with my response because i was so shocked by her attitude and wanted a well crafted argument
-and she called herself a liberal!
i guess thats been redefined too!
Nonymouse:
How does the BBC compare in your opinion?
Just like NCLB- all talk NO money
The elections in Afghanistan seem certain to be delayed for a second time, dealing a damaging blow to President George Bush's own election campaign.
The delay comes amid growing concern about the security of the election process after the killing on Thursday of 11 Chinese construction workers.
It is now impossible for the election to be held legally in September, the date for which both the interim government of President Hamid Karzai and the United Nations were aiming, itself a delay from the intended June polling day. It is understood that the new date is likely to be around October 5.
It has also emerged that not a single dollar pledged to pay for the elections has been given by donor countries, including members of the EU and the US.
bush 2 library will be a shoebox
of comic books.
less than twelve dozen days until "election" day. it's time to show this old nag the whip.
monica, I think you're right. I'll see what can be found.
Anyone hear anything to top that lie?
EPT
Yeah, maybe. I heard a priest say Reagan had a "beautiful mind."
"I don't think that your view of the media as a monolithic cabal with a
single guiding principal is useful, or right. Your views are so
obviously colored by your political bias that you are incapable of
applying a cool head to these important issues."
Uh, but that's what happening.
The best thing for all is not to
appoint political sides to anything.
Just facts. A good reason why our
democracy is not democratic.
What is the mental defect that allows a person to NEVER be responsible for ANYTHING?
National guard- did not show up
Businesses- failed but ALWAYS bailed upwardly out
Presidency- no matter what I did not make any mistakes, and anything that goes wrong is not MY responsibility
why talk about the gipper coverage
just be happy it's over-haven't you had enough!!!!!
nonymouse,
last post super-duper point i'm putting that in right now!
Bush better have a copy of the pet goat book in his library!
RE: BBC
I don't know. They qoute people a lot
in their news stories that seem to
back up what they are trying to hit
home. Usually the people they quote
are not politicians, though. Most
papers here qoute Bush. Bush says this, Bush says that. Bush thinks this is bad, Bush thinks this is good. Who gives a damn.
Bush better have a copy of the pet goat book in his library!
yep, thats why he did NOTHING on 9/11. It was the first book he ever actually read, and was determined to finish it.
Mister Deaver was commenting on some photos he has of Reagan that display what a fine physical specimen of a man Reagan was. O! Mister Deaver!
I think it was Michael Bronski many, many years ago in Z magazine who wrote in an article that Ronald Reagan let himself go early and that in the movie he made with Patricia Neal (sorry, not a movie fanatic, can't remember the name) that his bare legs were embarassingly similar to Mae West's. There were pictures of him in undershorts to prove it.
Wish my brother hadn't thrown out all my old Z magazines.
Veritas: It's called narcissistic personality disorder.
OT, but A case of mental SANITY
Portuguese police officers will turn a blind eye to England supporters who openly smoke cannabis during Euro 2004, having decided that a stoned crowd is easier to control than a drunk one.
Since we are going to retire Bush, shouldn't he be making plans for his presidential library?
I wonder how big it is going to be...
It'll be Texas huge. The General posted the design awhile back. The Rotunda of Blame alone will be bigger than most presidential libraries.
BBC fired head honcho Gavyn Davies over David Kelly's " supposed suicide.
Andrew Gilligan a BBC reporter claimed that the government of British Prime Minister Tony Blair deliberately exaggerated the threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction before the US-led invasion on March 20.
he based his report on info from Kelly
then a judge cleared Blair and BBC fired
Davies
in England everybody thought it was a cover-up
Re:BBC
I do know that most of Gore Vidal's
reseach of post 9/11 came from sources out of Europe, because he
claims they have a relatively free
media compared to ours. Amazing feat
if you understand that Blair is
Bush's counterpart.
RE OT on Portugal,
IF w ever realized that pot is the soma that makes people not care, it would be legal here.
The Bush Presidential Library is doing quite well, as could be expected.
http://tinyurl.com/2pj49
American royalty merely pauses the good life briefly to wave bye-bye to Saint Ron, then back to the feeding trough.
YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION
A widely circulated but anonymous email, which appears to be written by someone within the U.S. Embassy in Kazakhstan, caused a firestorm in Republican political circles this week after the Washington, D.C. newspaper Roll Call quoted choice passages from it in a column Wednesday.
The email says Rehberg and other members of the congressional delegation visiting Kazakhstan were drunk ‘‘the entire time'' and also said Rehberg ‘‘made fun of the Kazakh national costume doing a ‘Coneheads' routine from Saturday Night Live, over and over (including making beeping sounds like an alien) at an official delegation.''
I guess one could say that Ronald Reagan's acting made the other actors look like Oscar contenders. Kind of like how George Bush makes Reagan look like a President interested in the rule of law.
Anyone hear anything to top that lie?
EPT
Yeah, maybe. I heard a priest say Reagan had a "beautiful mind."
Incognito
not surprising, it's been out on video for a while and won four Oscars too
Bush better have a copy of the pet goat book in his library!
yep, thats why he did NOTHING on 9/11. It was the first book he ever actually read, and was determined to finish it.
veritas
yeah, I heard Laura was getting pretty tired of reading it to him, too.
it'll probably have several thousand pages of missing reports as well
From Knight-Ridder...
"The Army has announced that it is investigating the deaths of 127 prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan"
Holy shit.
OT REAGAN COST AND HYPOCRISY, RACISM
Nearly everyone present at the National Cathedral service - including every single speaker and (from what we saw) all but one children's choir member - was white. There was also an undertone of religious bigotry: even with the new president of Iraq present, no Muslim clergyman was asked to speak, even though a Jewish Rabbi, a Catholic priest, and a Protestant minister spoke. And at the close of the service, the presiding clergyman invoked the audience to "Go with Christ." The cost of the funeral to the American people, including security, pomp, and lost revenue was $429 million
Coneheads: "We are from Frnace."
Since we are going to retire Bush, shouldn't he be making plans for his presidential library?
I wonder how big it is going to be...
It'll be Texas huge. The General posted the design awhile back. The Rotunda of Blame alone will be bigger than most presidential libraries.
patriotboy
I'm sending the General the bill for a new laptop, 'cause I just ruined mine spewing Fresca all over it. That is effin' HILARIOUS!
And so very, very true.
Give the General a Promotion.
when Clinton kicks, he damn well better get the same treatment.
Nah, the airwaves will be filled with fond rembrances of our last legitimate president, President Clinton, from the likes of Ken McStarrthy, Bob Barr, Dan Burton, and Newt Gingrich--all of them reminding us of what a thoroughly disgusting and evil man Slick Willy really was.
You know, someday I'd like to live in a free country with an honest media.
For some reason, http://www.gofolks.com/games/sho...g-
roulette.html
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