I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
On a STICK.
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OT, but which milestone is Bush more likely to reach before November:
1000 US soldiers dead in Iraq
Breaking even in jobs created since he took office
An interview with the "neutral, unbiased" cheerleader for Bush on the NYT Op-Ed pages, Juan Williams, it should be pointed out.
So I'm wondering what challenge to this new interpretation of what the meaning of "is" is, will be broadcast by NPR. And when Juan Williams will do that interview.
Will he interview Keane? Or Hamilton? Or even Gorelick?
Will pigs fly?
I've been very tolerant of NPR. I am no longer. (As if NPR cares, but hey, I can say it honestly, anyway....)
"What I really meant to say, see, was that Saddam had not yet developed psychic powers to control al-Qaeda agents. But he had psychokinetics-related programs."
Fuck these corrupt cock-suckers and their 'husbands.'
May they all rot in jail before they rot in hell.
And fuck you, too, trolls, for supporting such shits.
THis is crazy. THe more and more they're proved wrong, the MORE AND MORE THEY FUCKING INSIST THAT IRAQ AND AL-QAEDA WERE IN BED!! Someone knock some fucking sense into these people and get us some REAL grown-ups to be in charge.
No way will there be a net increase in jobs.
And I hope that we never get to 1000 dead soldiers - but if we do, may it be reported on the opening day of the Republican National Convention.
Condi really picked a strange way to get back in the limelight, didn't she? How embarrassing.
Breaking even in jobs created since he took office
Local NPR affiliate here in Houston, which is usually reliably pro-business and a "free enterprise booster," reported that the jobless rate in Houston was up from 6.0% to 6.1%. Statistically insignificant, I suppose, but I keep hearing the economy is "coming back."
Not if it's not making jobs, Jack. I remember the same kind of reporting at the end of the term of Bush I. He and the press assured us all was well. Those without jobs, or who could only find work at McDonald's, knew better.
They can fool themselves about the economy (what impact does it have on Dan Rather or Tom Brokaw?). They can't fool the people.
GOD DAMN IT.
The Bush Boy is the sorriest excuse for a human being that graces this planet.
And the wussy little repuke wingers are a close second.
After many years of screaming like little whining eunuchs about Billy C. "not inhaling" and the definition of "IS" we get this bullshit.
Folks, it is time to get the tire chains and the pitch forks out and hit the streets.
Have these people no shame??? Itīs pathetic to see that the only way they can justify their rationale is through tautology (Classic quote yesterday: "the reason I say there is a link is because there is a link") and very loose semantics.
Fuck the fucking fuckers.
Like you fucking care about any killing as such. Tell me that every new revelation, even if it involves killing, is considered as manna from heaven to you if it entails an embarrassment of the Republicans and thus a furtherance of your goals.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
"What I believe the Dangerous Predator commission was opining on was proximity, a proximity between the Wolf and the town which the little boy never alleged," Rice said in an interview with National Public Radio.
"The little boy simply cried what we knew about what the Wolf had done in the past. Proximity to me would mean that he (the Wolf) was, perhaps, an immediate danger to the town."
"Whores, and the whoring whores who whore themselves."
Damn, that would be a BIG book!
It all depends what the meaning of the words 'control' and 'relationship' are.
Tee hee hee. Oh, my squinty little beady eyes are watering. I clutch my croquet flamingo tightly as coin tosses, of late, all turn up heads, the impertinant cats!
condi- they meant to say- Condi IF that is what they meant to say then they would have said it.
By Condis law- Condi meant to say, w is fucking you all up the ass, without your consent. My asshole is missing the action, so please quit bending over so willingly.
News Flash, "The Earth is Still Not Flat." Also, "Condi Rice is a Liar." More details at 11!
Now, back to your regular scheduled programming.
Fuck these corrupt cock-suckers and their 'husbands.'
May they all rot in jail before they rot in hell.
And fuck you, too, trolls, for supporting such shits.
bob- as a Nixon draftee, I never even hated and detested the Cong as much as I hate and detest the w crime famiglia and its enablers.
and I was willing to die to fight them.
so now you know how I feel about w, the criminal that has destroyed my once beloved country, that I want BACK.
Gorelick said on All Things Considered yesterday that the administration got a look at the latest 9/11 commission report before it was released. (Go to http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rund...un-2004&
prgId=2 and search for Gorelick -- there's no direct link.) It's almost stunning that they didn't bother to take issue with it then, but it just makes it more specious that they're taking issue with it now.
Fuck these corrupt cock-suckers and their 'husbands.'
May they all rot in jail before they rot in hell.
And fuck you, too, trolls, for supporting such shits.
RE breaking even in jobs created, W may (although I sincerely doubt it) "create" enough jobs to cover those lost under his regime, but, as approximately 150,000 new folks enter the job market each month, he will never reduce the unemployment rate. Because of these new job seekers, 240,000 "new" jobs in a month really only translates to 90,000 net for that month.
Hey Bob,
we're the people who said NO to the Iraq war, so come again ?
It was moronic stupidity then, it's stupid now. A criminal dereliction of duty to defend us from the real terrorists. Those who didn't care are the fucktards "RARARA" who swallowed the lying cum coming out of Bush. How did it taste, Bob ? Did you even wipe it off your chin ?
bob, we can settle this man to man if you like.
It's like arguing with children, I didn't say that, yes you did, no I didn't, shut up, you shut up.
This bullshit and the Prison Murder/Torture stories that they want to ignore leads me to beleive that our country is being run by really violent 7 year olds.
ADULTS need to take back our country.
Or in your case, wing nut to man.
Like you fucking care about any killing as such. Tell me that every new revelation, even if it involves killing, is considered as manna from heaven to you if it entails an embarrassment of the Republicans and thus a furtherance of your goals.
bob | Email | Homepage | 06.18.04 - 6:42 pm | #
bob, 9/11 sucked, a lot of people died. there is a problem. but a lot of the continued killing is a direct result of bushs' policies. and yeah, i care.
bob- Republicans embarrassed. Oxymoron
I get the feeling boob, er bob is long gone. Nothing left but the smell of troll fart.
833 American soldiers and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, all killed by American terrorists named Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld.
If Kerry gets in there, we must begin to dismantle the entire wing nut infrastructure. We've ignorned them for way too long. And we must deal with the terrorist infrastructure intelligently for a change.
More circular arguments, this is Bush's war and we liberals are happy about the killings because it puts Bush's war in a bad light.
Opposed the war, if they would have listened to me. . .no killings, see how that works. Take a position, stick with it but don't use your own fuck-ups as arguments that the people oppossed to the war are happy about the deaths you fucktwit.
NO BUSH = NO IRAQ WAR = NO IRAQ DEATHS
OT
I love it when the president's lawyer testifies before a grand jury.
That's as in testifuckingfy under goddam oath, beeyotch!
"White House counsel Alberto Gonzales underwent questioning at the federal courthouse. He was the latest in a string of administration officials to be asked about the unauthorized disclosure of the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame, wife of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, to the news media."
http://tinyurl.com/3a5ot
Each time I think, truly, honestly, that there simply cannot be anything more bizarre, corrupt, spiteful, hateful and idiotic. And here we go again.
No words. Incroyable.
We have to get money from corporate lobbyists out of political office. Bring back the Fairness Doctrine. Restructure our public school system to teach critical thinking skills.
Is she actually trying to interperet the conclusions of the commission for them?
Ye gods, that woman is an ass.
I hoping for a new disease to come out that only targets conservatives. But first we need to reinstitute the estate tax.
See Saddam had "no controlling legal authority" over Al Queda.
By Condi's argument, the Feds are in league with the Mafia and every street gang selling drugs.
Oh wait, they are.
bob
You are at the top of the list for a short-arm inspection with an Arkansas Toothpick.
As ever,
Billy B
We need to publicly fund political campaigns. There are tons of things we can begin doing after we take back the presidency, Senate and House.
Adam D Sperry- NO Condi is trying to spin the story for the faithful, not interpret it for the commission.
The commission needs no interpreters to itself.
CONDI- Commission reports WE decide.
...thus a furtherance of your goals.
Ohhhhh, What a conspiracy-tjeorist you are, bob. What *goals*?
My goal is democracy. Asshole.
theorist
Arrrgh.
Actually, Bush said at one point in 2002 that Saddam wanted to use "Al Qaeda as his forward army".
That's almost saying that "Saddam had directed al Qaeda. "
Now, of course, they will quiblle and say, "wants to", not "did" control. But probably the most important link Bush as ever made with Iraq to 9/11 is in his letter to congress saying he's going to war. He explicitly says that this is his authoirization because he has authority to go after groups who perpetrated 9/11.
Condi: "What the Commission meant was that they found no credible evidence that Saddam had, in fact, mind control powers similar to those of the Sith, who have mastered the powers of the Dark Side of the Force. And don't forget, we have never claimed that Iraq and the Empire collaborated, just that there are some connections that prove they had a relationship in our sick, twisted minds."
OT, but which milestone is Bush more likely to reach before November:
1000 US soldiers dead in Iraq
Breaking even in jobs created since he took office
Tough question. If US deaths keep relatively low like this month, and jobs keep up at the pace of the past three months, it's going to be a squeaker. Basically we got four full months ahead of us. Bush needs about 300K jobs a month to break even, not impossible but hard. For the war, about 160 left to 1000. So that is 40 a month, which is conceivable. I doubt if troop deaths are going to drop off significantly, although that would be nice.
So really, it is just too close to call. Maybe Bush will reach both of these milestones, but my cynic says we'll get to 1000 dead soldiers before we get huge job growth.
bob, we can settle this man to man if you like.
Incognito
Actually that would be man to hamster-dicked asstard.
But of course you already knew that. 
Poor bob, what a moronic wanker.
Egad, my skull is getting awfully creaky and sore from all the times my head goes and explodes from the insane shit that drops out of their mouths. Ka-plooey, there it goes again. Ow.
Like you fucking care about any killing as such. Tell me that every new revelation, even if it involves killing, is considered as manna from heaven to you if it entails an embarrassment of the Republicans and thus a furtherance of your goals.
Like you fucking care about any killing as such. Tell me that every new revelation, even if it involves killing, is considered as manna from heaven to you if it entails a new justification for the Republicans and thus a furtherance of your goals.
Add a word. Twist a word. Shade. Invent. Whatever.
Lots of ways to lie, yes?
Scorpio
Eccentricity
Condi? Why don't you let the commission's report say what it says? I mean, we're all educated here and can read for ourselves. I appreciate your efforts to tell me what the report says, but I prefer a little res ipsa loquitur, if you don't mind.
"What I believe," "we never alleged,"; tell me again what an excruciating parser of words Bill Clinton was? Or why Al Gore is such a serial exaggerator? 'Cause I see this kind of sophistry, and it makes me forget how horrible it was that Gore once joked about his mom singing him the "Look for the union label" song as a lullaby.
That lullaby story was real important, you know; not like fudging the record and getting thousands of people killed. Which I'm secretly happy about, my demonstrations against the war notwithstanding.
Jesus approves of killing and torture, and corrupt business deals. Jesus loves the rich. Jesus loves republicans.
The relationship was that the religious fanatic UBL offered to kill the despot Saddam, and Saddam refused to give UBL money or WMD or help with training.
That's the gist of the relationship, and pre-911, if either met the other in a dark alley, each would lure the other closer with smiles about deals until they were in range to do what they both like best: kill and gain power.
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It's almost stunning that they didn't bother to take issue with it then, but it just makes it more specious that they're taking issue with it now.
Rebecca--It would have involved, y'know, reading the thing. Hell, they probably still haven't read it--they're just reacting to the media's reactions.
This a good example of an argument that proves too much.
The head of the NSC suggests that wiping an entire national government out, down to the last police officer, was justified by an inconclusive exchange of letters with an enemy of the US.
The same logic would put her and all of her colleagues in the dock for war crimes. In fact, there are much stronger grounds: command responsibility.
i posted this below but it's worth a look true believers always lying their ass off. in condis' case that would be boney ass. but she's a vulcan, that's just the way they are built. fn' retards. she really is kind of stupid, some of the other vulcans are smart. scary, but smart.
'flesh colored christs that glow in the dark, it's easy to see, without looking to far, that not much is really sacred' b.dylan
This just in. . .
America is full of idiots, Condalezza Rice was quoted as saying the following: "it has been determined that since you collectively as a country have taken all of our bullshit over the last 3/12 years as the gospel truth, it's official, you are all too stupid to have any voice in politics so were not having an election."
If I had been interviewing Ms. Rice, I would have said, "Nice to meet you, Ms. Rice. Now that we've talked, I expect the Administration to describe the two of us as having a "relationship." In fact, if I ask you out to dinner, and you never get back to me, I'll likewise expect your office to imply that it merely proves how closely you're still bound to me."
Really, when did "occaisional meetings" get the status of "tie," when the latter implies a contractual obligation? If this is the new definition, I'm in a "relationship" with that hot checkout girl down at the grocery. Yoohoo! A stud is born.
God should smite Condi immediately for being such a cunt.
Sorry, but nothing else fits these days.
Her head was spinning so fast they've used it for a redo of the Exorcist.
OT, when did we all just sink into the quagmire of myth that the president has such a close link to the number of jobs created, lost, or diminished? The relationship is about as murky as,say, anything that, oh, Dick Cheney might say on a given day. Which is to say, there may be a relationship, but it's definitely not what we say it is, and in fact it's probably the inverse.
Back to Condi. Thanks for telling us what the Commission meant to say, even though they said something else and disagree with your revision, you obtuse, incompetent, mealy-mouthed liar. I'm sorry to keep bringing up bad images, but you (Condi), after your eventual arrest, should be hog-tied naked to Karen Hughes and the opiated, flaccid Rush Limbaugh, in a jiggly, living monument to dishonesty.
>God should ...
read the linked post.
>OT, when did we all just sink into the quagmire of myth that the president has such a close link to the number of jobs created, lost, or diminished?
A better indicator of presidential performance is
% payroll growth - cpi-w
this shows the relationship of jobs to inflation.
I think I am ready to be a lawyer now. The last 3 years of w has taught me more about lying than law school ever could.
Dear Americans,
We don't blame you--yet.
Clavinball: the offical sport of the GOP
Folks, it is time to get the tire chains and the pitch forks out and hit the streets. Billy B
My new motto? The Second Amendment - Not just for right-wing whack jobs anymore.
Oh, and Bob - if you're still around - go fuck yourself.
The chairman and vice chairman of the Sept. 11 commission differed with Rice's characterization of their panel's findings in separate interviews with Reuters.
"We don't think there was any relationship whatsoever having to do with 9/11. Whether al Qaeda and Saddam were cooperating on other things against the United States, we don't know," Commission Chairman Thomas Kean said.
Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton said he was unaware of anyone ever claiming that Saddam had directed al Qaeda.
"The word 'control' is new," Hamilton said.
"The president talks in terms of a relationship between the two. The vice president talks in terms of a tie between the two. We talk in terms of contacts between the two," he added.
"All of those words are similar, but clearly relationship and ties suggest more than contacts."
The Sept. 11 commission's staff report said there had been contact between Iraqis and al Qaeda members including a Sudan meeting between al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and Iraqi intelligence officers.
But the panel concluded that Iraq never responded to a bin Laden request for help and said there was no evidence of a "collaborative relationship."
I think it's entirely possible that Bushie deliberately put two generally respected Black people into positions guaranteed to degrade their credibility, thus taking out two role models "uppity" Black people might otherwise try to emulate.
Message: don't try to sit at the White Boy's table; we'll just make a fool out of you.
You know, veritas, I've never wanted to be a lawyer, though all those tests I took said I'd be a good one. Now, I live in a town with a good law school. I keep getting a temptation to put my newfound skills to work, but I'd rather just go back to doing something creative, and peaceful, something like studying certain histories. Reading good fiction. Drawing. I want a life back.
Stirling-
Agreed, that's a better measure.
But it's measuring the net result of a thousand decisions, only a few of which the president makes.
It's unsolvable: I just wish we'd stop the madness on taking credit for creating jobs. It's a distraction, and it causes everyone to lie.
Or, in W's case, lie more.
You rock, though, Stirling.
RUMSFELD QUICK THINKING- on 9/11 Rummy allegedly did NOT know America under attack until Pentagon hit (wheres Ripley)
Anyway...
September 11 morning in 2001. Even as he was being evacuated out of the Pentagon, he was jotting his response: Best info fast. Judge whether good enough to hit S.H. at the same time. Not only UBL. Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not. I
Q: It was amazing, yeah. When I was in Iraq, some of the soldiers said they believed they were fighting because of the Sept. 11 attacks and because they thought Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaida. You've repeatedly cited such links. I heard your speech in Denver a while back. But even Secretary of State (Colin) Powell now says there's no smoking guns or concrete evidence proving that connection. I wanted to ask you what you'd say to those soldiers, and were those soldiers misled at all?
CHENEY: Well, there are two issues here. First of all, I don't want to speak to Colin's statements. I'm not familiar with what he said yesterday. Two issues in terms of relationship. One is, was there a relationship between al Qaida and Iraq, between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, or the al Qaida and the Iraqi intelligence service? That's one category of
issues. A separate question is, whether or not there was any relationship relative to 9/11. Those are two separate questions and people oftentimes confuse them.
On the separate issue, on the 9/11 question, we've never had confirmation one way or another. We did have reporting that was public, that came out shortly after the 9/11 attack, provided by the Czech government, suggesting there had been a meeting in Prague between Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker, and a man named al-Ani (Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani), who was an Iraqi
intelligence official in Prague, at the embassy there, in April of '01, prior to the 9/11 attacks. It has never been -- we've never been able to collect any more information on that. That was the one that possibly tied the two together to 9/11.
With respect to the other question, the general relationship, I would refer you...There are several places you can go. One place you ought to go look is an article that Stephen Hayes did in the Weekly Standard here a few weeks ago, that goes through and lays out in some detail, based on an assessment that was done by the Department of Defense and forwarded to the Senate Intelligence Committee some weeks ago. That's your best source of information.
http://
www.rockymountainnews.com...2565269,00.html
OSAMA BIN LADEN and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda--perhaps even for Mohamed Atta--according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.
Please. Friends in the press. Any chance that you can get this soundbite from the BushCo WH - AQ blah, blah, blah 'no controlling legal authority' over Iraqi operations? Damn, now that would be worth seeing. And they're so so so close.
Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton said he was unaware of anyone ever claiming that Saddam had directed al Qaeda.
"The word 'control' is new," Hamilton said.
Now maybe Hamilton will think twice before he comes to the defense of these guys like he did yesterday. He took exception to the way the press was interpreting the report and the White House was all over the place saying see Lee Hamilton doesnt see it that way, therefore we were right. I guess they decided to send out the bitch Rice out to clear things up like she always does.
RE Cheney says media blurred AQ Sddam story not w admin
Its true. I remember now. How could I forget the news conference the WH called to confront the media for blurring the truth and telling them that there was NO connection between Saddam and AQ.
Never thought I could like China BUT-
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - China said on Friday it would abstain on a resolution giving the United States immunity from the new International Criminal Court, a decision that may leave Washington short of votes to pass the resolution.
Condi says:
"The president simply outlined what we knew about what al Qaeda and Iraq had done together."
Osama asked Hussein for assistance. Hussein said no. Now, it's possible that there was some super-secret contact between the two that hasn't come to light (just as likely as, say, a large stockpile of chemical weapons turning up buried in the Iraqi desert). Nevertheless, the type of links that'd be necessary to prove Hussein and Bin Laden had a working relationship are too large to hide. And if it is out there, nothing but solid policework will figure it out.
Until then, there is little to no evidence to support the administration's contentions. Then again, it's hard to say what, exactly, they're contending since their definition of the relationship between Hussein and Al-Qaeda seems to change almost daily. No one disputes that the two groups talked a few times. Beyond that it is entirely unclear, and therefore it's up to your imagination, what sort of "relationship" may or may not have existed.
It seems to me that what the Administration is saying is that they've looked at the exact same set of evidence and seen "proof" of a link that was serious enough to start a war (links to terrorism were included as justification for the war). If that's the case, their imaginations are infinitely darker than mine. I guess connecting the dots between Bin Laden and Hussein is what Barbara and George do with their "beautiful minds". If so, they aren't fit to govern, let alone command the most powerful standing army in the world.
I'm disappointed in Condi. Why didn't she go all the way and say, "What the Commission meant to say was that there were definite direct links between Saddam and al Queda. The Commission wants you to know that they are one. All terrorists are part of one evil organization not unlike THRUSH in The Man From UNCLE. The evil secular fascist Saddam has the exact same goals as the evil secular-hating religious fanatic bin Laden and we are the only crusaders on earth who can stop them before the return of Jesus Christ at halftime of next year's Super Bowl."
Blast from the past
During his invasion of Iraq, George W. Bush warned Iraqis about their treatment of American prisoners of war on 23 March 2003: I expect them to be treated, the POWs, I expect to be treated humanely, just like were treating the prisoners that we have captured humanely. If not, the people who mistreat the prisoners will be treated as war criminals.
...or, as Nancy Pelosi says:
"Last night in a TV interview, Vice President Cheney mischaracterized the commission's findings when he said: 'The notion that there is no relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda just simply is not true.'"
"The Commission did not say there was 'no relationship;' it said there was no 'collaborative relationship.' That's an important distinction. For example, the Commission found that al Qaeda's requests for training sites in Iraq and help by Iraq in obtaining weapons apparently brought no Iraqi response."
"The American people have a right to know why the President and Vice President persist in trying to create the impression that there was more to the contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda than is supported by the evidence reviewed by the Commission."
China actually is willing to do just things outside its borders; the Soviet Union also did a lot for people not its citizens.
"God should smite Condi immediately for being such a cunt."
Well, as Tucker Carlson, new PBS talking head, recently reminded me, Condi probably just needs her regular "vigorous spanking." That's all.
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"God should smite Condi immediately for being such a cunt."
Well, as Tucker Carlson, new PBS talking head, recently reminded me, Condi probably just needs her regular "vigorous spanking." That's all.
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you have to admit. they play a very good game of calvin ball. of course the refs9repeaters) are on their side.
Chalabi who?
Brian CB- me too, I want my life back. I have kids though and I love this country. Volunteered for draft under Nixon (yeah I know I was a young naieve fool).
I am obsessed as I have never been with any other issue, than getting the neocons before (if it isn't already) too late. I can't sleep, fuck, eat, ride my motorcycle, camp, canoe, fish, read a book, watch a movie, ANYTHING without thinking about the bastards that have stolen OUR beloved country.
"THRUSH in The Man From UNCLE"
More like KAOS in "Get Smart"
Pansypoo said:
'you have to admit. they play a very good game of calvin ball.'
For sure, although I think they call it "Jesus Ball".
Veritas, thanks for the ironic quote. I just sent it to my entire e-mail address book with a picture from Abu Ghraib and a plea for turkee for Kerree.
For documentation sticklers, the quote is in a WH press release at http://tinyurl.com/2vsuc.
Blast from the past
During his invasion of Iraq, George W. Bush warned Iraqis about their treatment of American prisoners of war on 23 March 2003: I expect them to be treated, the POWs, I expect to be treated humanely, just like were treating the prisoners that we have captured humanely. If not, the people who mistreat the prisoners will be treated as war criminals.
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veritas that's perfect, i just came back to say the most telling indictment that ranch boy is a war criminal was something he said right after 9/11 "we're gonna smoke 'em out of their holes and whoop 'em"
well now we are into the cutting off heads, tit for tat, phase of the operation. you whoop em en masse, with your giant military,and torture policies, and we'll just cut their heads off, one by one.
like i said religion is f'n violent. religion and politics, everyone knows you don't go there.
oh yea, has anyone said it? the word control may be new but these brainwipes have been out of control for sometime. congress is partially responsible for that.
All of Saddam's al Queda contacts died in slave camps from radiation poisoning building Iraq's nuclear arsenal and space shuttle.
Duck.
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>But it's measuring the net result of a thousand decisions, only a few of which the president makes.
Presidents make a great deal of difference - particularly in how assets are allocated, and in the general priorities. Anyone who believes that Congress in 1981 would have passed Reagan's tax package or in 2001 Bush's is dreaming.
There is a clear correlation between the allocation of priorities and results - the myth that the "President is marginal" is just that, a myth.
Most particularly in the area of securing oil - since this is the bottleneck commodity for the C component of the economy.
w's political appointed lawyers on 8th amendment- if you are queasy do not read...
Does the constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment forbid torture?
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No. That prohibition, set out in the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution, "was designed to protect those convicted of crimes," the report states. Detainees have not been convicted of any crime.
Veritas, another great quote. Do you have a reference?
As posted at Corrente:
CONDI SPEAK
Condi speak
Such a playful thing
Condi 'splain
What the commission mean
Condi dance
Upon the dictionary
'N dig her heels in its spine
Condi scold
Those partisan freaks
Condi hold
Onto Democracy
Condi show
Why "A" equals "B"
She push zig and zag into line
(chorus)
Oh, Condi
We love Condi
From Monday on thru to Sunday
Oh, Condi
We love Condi
She make it up as she go!
Condi sneer
And the Press Corps hide
Is Condi queer?
Now don't be so snide!
Condi say
Whatever she like
And she like whatever she say
Condi grin
Like a girl in school
Condi thin
Because she dine on gruel
Condi's sin?
She's nobody's fool
She like it rough when she play!
(chorus)
Oh, Condi
We love Condi
From Monday on thru to Sunday
Oh, Condi
We love Condi
She make it up as she go!
(Repeat first two stanzas and one chorus)
+++
Condi's beloved EXXON news
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- ChevronTexaco confirmed Friday it was subpoenaed by federal prosecutors in relation to the U.N.-run oil-for-food program in Iraq.
ExxonMobil (XOM), the country's largest oil and gas company, also received a subpoena, according to published reports.
Merging subpoenae. They'll have to use the anti-trust tweezers.
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he tactic the administration appears to have chosen to deal with what is clearly an unravelling of whatever shred of credibility it retains is simply to insist -- as it has for so long anyway -- that it never made mistakes or exaggerated or misrepresented or lied about anything in any way, and to hope that if it repeats itself sufficiently loudly and often, people will come to believe it.
But more important, Bush's statement simply flies in the face of the record. Just before invading Iraq, for example, the president asserted that Iraq had sent bomb-making and document-forgery experts to ''work with al-Qaeda'' and also ''provided al-Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training'' -- a relationship that goes far beyond mere ''contacts''.
Cheney, always the most aggressive in asserting a link between Hussein and both al-Qaeda and 9/11, repeatedly made similar charges, and last fall endorsed the contents of an article in the neo-conservative 'Weekly Standard' -- consisting largely of excerpts of a classified document prepared by the Pentagon's shady Office of Special Plans (OSP) as ''the best source of information'' -- that concluded ''Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003''.
Did Condi mention "operational"
Did you see the ABC horseshit on the 9/11 - Bush crap? PLEASE RAISE HELL?
Inside Washinton is muchmuch better with Dana Priest instead of Evan Thomas. Just saying.
There it is folks, PROOF that Condi's carefully constructed "operational relationship" was NEVER brought up by w's admin.
Dear veritas,
Chalabi is...uh, was...uh...what?
As much as these lies piss me off (which is greatly), the more BushCo has to talk/explain/parse/lie their miserable asses off NOW, the more it's gonna be for us come FALL, when the intense campaigning starts.
They've already talked themselves into about 6,746 corners last time I checked my list. Every time they open their mouths on this issues, it's good for us. If we have ANY kind of competent ad-makers, we could have some real fun. I sense a lot of the SCLM is beginning to tire of BushCo's shit, anyway.
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Yikes, should read "the more fun it's gonna be for us come FALL."
Boy Heidi, Nina and Dana are dishing it tonight. Diplomatic equivalent of meaning of isis. They laughed very out loud at Krauthammer when he started on the SCLM. More girls' nights, please.
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UNITED NATIONS - Secretary-General Kofi Annan told Security Council ambassadors Friday that renewing U.S. peacekeepers' immunity from international prosecution for war crimes would undermine international law and send "a very unfortunate signal" to the world.
Annan stepped up his campaign against a U.S.-sponsored resolution renewing American immunity from prosecution by the International Criminal Court for a third year, and opposition in the council appeared to be growing.
Despite intensive lobbying, Washington does not have the minimum nine votes of support on the 15-member council to approve a new exemption, council diplomats said.
On Thursday, Annan urged the council not to shield American peacekeepers, citing the recent abuse of Iraq prisoners by U.S. forces.
otter- sorry, my mind and fingers fly all over the place. That was from one of w's documents justifying torture.
otter- just had another thought- that means we can be legally tortured by their reasoning the 8th amendment does NOT apply UNTIL conviction!!!!
Kerry's Fuzzy Math
Yesterday we noted that John Kerry had claimed, in a Columbus, Ohio, speech, that more black Americans are in prison than in college. It turns out that KERRY LIED!!!! Blogger Clyde Middleton has the numbers (links below in PDF):
The US [Department of Justice] tells us the number of blacks incarcerated at mid-year 2002 (page 11, Table 13): 818,900 black men; 65,600 black women; total 884,500 blacks.
The US Census Bureau tells us the number of blacks in college during 2002: 802,000 black men; 1,476,000 black women; total 2,278,000 blacks.
It's true that among black men the number of prison inmates was slightly higher than the number of college students. But as the Statistical Assessment Service notes, this is a meaningless comparison, since "you can go to prison at any age, but are most likely to be in college between the ages of 18-24." A college-age black man, it turns out, is 2.5 times as likely to be in college as in prison. Also worth noting: A career criminal can easily end up spending decades of his life behind bars, while only the laziest student stays in college that long.
Palmer Woodrow may be on to something re: SCLM. Flipped over to Debra Norville during Daily Show commercials. She seemed to be openly sceptical of Bush's we said contacts all along bullshit. She even asked fucktard Sam Donaldson whether the media were a bunch of pussies for being soft on Bushco before. He actually admitted they fucked up in Jan '03 when UNSCOM couldn't find ANY of the stuff claimed by BushCo. Why? Maybe because the press was busy getting embedded to get their war on.
jimmiraybob- thank you. My point is that there are so many fucking criminal acts going on that NO one can keep up with them. Chalabi has been forgotten already.
These neocons and theocons know when they're in deep trouble, and they go on offsense, even while their credibility goes down the toilet.
Sadly, it always comes down to the two stylistic patterns: brazen lies by the right vs. punch-pulling attacks by the left.
anonymous= jesus fuckin ho;y christ- that does it, everybody should vote for w now, as he only lies about war, torture, taxes, education, enviornment, and that God talks to him.
Thank you for the truth.
They include the thousands of "contractors" in Iraq in their new job numbers. I guess torturers need a paycheck too.
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Thanks, veritas. Your second thought is a sobering one. We can only hope that they are too damn stupid to make that logical leap.
veritas -
I guess Russia is with us on the Security Counsel vote? After Putin's b.s. yesterday I would have to think so...
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Anonymous - got a link so I can see Kerry's speech for myself? It's not that I don't trust you...oh wait, it is.
With respect to the other question, the general relationship, I would refer you...There are several places you can go. One place you ought to go look is an article that Stephen Hayes did in the Weekly Standard here a few weeks ago, that goes through and lays out in some detail, based on an assessment that was done by the Department of Defense and forwarded to the Senate Intelligence Committee some weeks ago. That's your best source of information.
Would that have been the now infamous Office of Special Plans by any chance?
Jenny from the blog
France, Germany, Spain, Brazil and Chile already said they would abstain on a new exemption, and Romania and Benin indicated they were likely to join them, council diplomats said.
China's U.N. Ambassador Wang Guangya said Friday that Beijing also will abstain. Algeria's U.N. Ambassador Abdallah Baali said his country - which was considered to be in the U.S. camp - was reconsidering its position.
Russia, also considered a U.S. supporter, called Friday for a compromise.
The contortions this Administration will go through to admit no wrong are beyond belief. A meeting between Bin Laden and some obscure Iraqi agent in 1994 in Sudan, years before the first plans for September 11 were even hatched in the delusional mind of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, does not constitute a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq, any more than a one night stand 10 years ago constitutes a "relationship".
These people are liars, 830 soldiers have died, thousands have been injured and maimed and tens of thousands of Iraqis have died or been wounded.
And they tried to impeach Clinton over a little cigar/coochie action! Well no-one died doing that except the poliitical process in this country.
veritas, thanks. i had read that we don't have the numbers with us - but didn't know the breakdown.
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Awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom
Gordon B. Hinckley, president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who has served in church leadership since the 1930s.
-Pope John Paul II, presented with the medal during Bush's June 4 Vatican visit. Bush called the pontiff "a devoted servant of God."
Susie Dow- bingo, Cheney quoted a memo written by a neocon that was "leaked" to the National (Kristol neocon paper) Standard as a reliable source.
damian- thanks for shattering my only thoughts of a relationship LOL
Lauire Mylroie writes a book that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the first WTC bombing. The Office of Special Plans hauls out her book and cherry picks the intelligence to fit the hypothesis. OSP stove pipes it to Cheney because it supports his lust for oil and lucrative government contracts thru a war in Iraq.
One big circle jerk.
mmmmm circle jerk
NEWS FLASH
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) - A Saudi al-Qaida cell beheaded U.S. engineer Paul Johnson and in a swift retaliation, officials said security forces tracked down and killed the leader of the terrorist group in a shoot-out Friday.
Johnson, who was kidnapped last weekend, was the latest victim of an escalating campaign of violence against westerners that aims to drive foreign workers from the kingdom and undermine the Saudi royal family, hated by al-Qaida.
The death hours later of Abdulaziz al-Moqrin, the reputed leader of al-Qaida in the kingdom, was a coup for the Saudi government, which has been under intense pressure to halt a wave of attacks against westerners. In a video posted on the Internet on Tuesday, a hooded al-Moqrin held an assault rifle and shouted demands for the release of al-Qaida prisoners as a blindfolded Johnson sat in a chair.
Saudi forces killed four other al-Qaida militants in Friday's shootout, which came after a witness reported the licence plate number of a car from which the militants dumped Johnson's body and police then stopped the vehicle at a gas station, security officials said.
This is why we're going to WIN in November, folks!
Almost all of us probably tried to get away with a whopper when we were kids. Some of us even got away with it for a bit. But then you had to tell another to support the first, then another, and finally the whole thing collapsed.
And you stood there stammering and looking dumb.
We've got the truth. They're getting a spanking.
Oh for fuck's sake, now Condi is in on the act? Rummy said yesterday that there was no Al Zarqawi connection to Al Qaeda, and Al Zarqawi is the connection Bush and Cheney were pushing yesterday. So I Rummy out of the loop or has he decided to start telling the truth?
link to transcript of Rummy
On Capitol Gang, Lawrence O'Donnell said that the scandal plagued Bush administration will continue to insist on blurring the responsibility for 911 because Shrub's presidency depends on it totally. A large percentage must continue to blame Saddam for 911, facts be damned, or Bush falls, and therefore they will do any and everything to keep the lie alive. They have no exit.
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Tena - wow. that transcript. Rumsfeld just dancing around all the questions about ghost detainees. he has no reason for not registering them with the Red Cross and the press keeps nailing him and he keeps blaming it on the CIA. He's unbelievable.
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When I read an article like this, I have the weirdest feeling that it's targeted at me: that Condi Rice is specifically trying to drive me crazy.
I really think that the lies of the Bush Administration will go down in history as the most shameless and shocking lies ever told.
tena -
one more... geez -
"Q And the last thing. (Off mike.) How is this case different from what Taguba was talking about, the ghost detainees?
SEC. RUMSFELD: It is just different, that's all.
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Would that have been the now infamous Office of Special Plans by any chance?
Yes, indeed. In fact, it was leaked by Douglas Feith, who runs the Office of Special Plans. It included all the raw, uncorroborated "facts" (including the meeting between Atta and the Czech agents in Prague at a time when Atta wasn't in Prague) Feith could make up, and it was immediately disowned by the Pentagon.
The fact that Cheney is still flogging the fictional Atta/Czech Intelligence meeting is evidence of how desperate (or delusional) these people are.
TY for the transcript, Tena. I didn't see most of the "briefing" and I guess I'm pleasantly surprised at how hard the reporters did press Rummy on his lies and utterly ridiculous "answers": "It's just different, that's all."
Right. I get more insightful answers from my three-year-old.
That al Zarqawi bit is pretty damning. Rummy must be out of the latest "lie loop."
Cue the "Jaws" music.
Bye Rummy.
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Annan stepped up his campaign against a U.S.-sponsored resolution renewing American immunity from prosecution by the International Criminal Court for a third year, and opposition in the council appeared to be growing.
Despite intensive lobbying, Washington does not have the minimum nine votes of support on the 15-member council to approve a new exemption, council diplomats said.
Bugger me sideways! If the immunity is denied, we might really see Bush in chains before The Hague!
Oh, Dear God, let me live to see that!
I wonder what it'd be like to be someone who just simply didn't care about the truth, at all?
It seems like an incredibly complicated and tense way to live your life. The times I've been in situations where I was obliged to lie, I was completely panicky and always afraid I'd contradict myself. But these guys can contradict themselves three times in a day and barely break a sweat.
I guess that's the difference: I thought that if I was forced to lie, I was at least obliged to be a COMPETENT liar. But BushCo has such incredible contempt for all of us that they're not even willing to make the effort to keep the simplest fucking stories straight.
I want these people trampled into bits, and I want the bits impeached and found guilty of treason and burned at the stake, and I want the ashes imprisoned for four consecutive life sentences.
Tena - thanks for the link. Was interested to note this:
(Rummy)He has been treated humanely. There's no implication of any problem. He was not at Abu Ghraib. He is not there now. He has never been there, to my knowledge.
Is Rumsfield at least inadvertantly admitting that by definition, if you were detained at Abu Ghraib, you weren't treated humanely? Somewhat revealing.
Philalethes -
EXACTLY. It's quite a tactic, isn't it. People fall for bald-faced lies because most wouldn't have the guts to do it so shamelessly.
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Fielding Mellish -
I picked up on that too. It's like Powell saying "we can't get away with that anymore". They're fallible, anyway, if the press keeps pushing with the follow-ups maybe they'll stumble and fall right on their fat, lying faces.
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Philalethes -
I should say "gall". Guts to me is more of a positive quality - wouldn't want to give them that attribute.
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SEC. RUMSFELD: It is just different, that's all.
Q. Why is it different?
SEC. RUMSFELD: Because it is.
Q. But why?
SEC. RUMSFELD: 'Cause I say so.
Q. Why?
SEC. RUMSFELD: 'Cause I can.
Q. You're saying it because you can?
SEC. RUMSFELD: No, I'm saying it because it's true.
Q. How do we know it's true?
SEC. RUMSFELD: Because I'm telling you it is.
Q. What are you basing it on?
SEC. RUMSFELD: The fact that it's true.
Q. But how is it different?
[return to top and begin again]
This might seem a little off topic, but does it seem to anyone else that the word opine seems to be all the rage now?
Q All right. Mr. Secretary, has the picture of the connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda become clearer since the regime fell, and how so?
SEC. RUMSFELD: This is the question that everyone keeps asking. It -- do you think --
Q (Off mike, laughter.)
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The other thing I would say is that it appears -- I guess I don't know if I should say this or not, but I -- I suppose I can -- it appears that Zarqawi -- snip -- may very well not have sworn allegiance to UBL -- someone could legitimately say he's not al Qaeda.
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(Off mike, laughter, laughter, laughter, laughter, laughter, laughter.)
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I cannot quite figure out what's up with Rummy. I kind of think that this whole thing is indicative of the internal war in the administration. I can't imagine Rumsfeld just coming right out, and too cute by half "I guess I can say this...", for no reason. I think there's bad blood between Rummy and Bush/Cheney. If that's so, this should get very interesting. I don't think Rummy wants to take the fall for Abu Ghraib. Wouldn't it be too ironic to be borne if Rummy was the one who brought the administration down?
Re: the transcript. I previously had the perception that Pace might be more honorable than the rest of them (Meyers comes to mind) but this is clearly not true.
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Jenny,
It's true that the sheer gall of these folks seems almost to put a protective force field around them. Today I heard an NNPR interview with the guy who first filmed the wreckage of the Titanic, who was very amiably advocating that the wreck be protected from souvenir-hunters and the like. A simple concept, But this ninny of an interviewer was practically at his throat, demanding every detail of HOW such protection would work, and IF it would work, and WHAT would happen if other nations didn't sign into it, and WHY it was necessary. I swear she made him explain all this stuff three times. And all I could think of was, "Jeez. Rumsfeld or Cheney can stand up and say the most outrageous, illogical, demented lie and no one'll follow up on it. And here's this harmless guy who shows up for a little puff piece, and gets the Spanish Inquisition."
"Wouldn't it be too ironic to be borne if Rummy was the one who brought the administration down?"
Tena, that would be delicious. Worthy of a greek tragedy.
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Philalethes -
True! I once saw an interview on 60 minutes with Robert Altman and they pinned him, wriggling on a wall, for what seemed like an eternity, over some bit in one of his films. This actually turned me off to the 60 minutes style for years. I still can't watch it.
Yes, the "protective force field" as you so beautifully put it - is the only conceivable explanation.
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Don't you think it's high time that Tenet comes out to defend himself? He must have something to say about all of this...
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Bush and his cabinet must be contortionists escaped from the Barnum & Bailey Circus. I've seen an administration that twist and contort simple facts into pronouncements that are 180 degress from the actual truth.
"Bush and his cabinet must be contortionists escaped from the Barnum & Bailey Circus"
time to get them back in their cages.
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Don't you think it's high time that Tenet comes out to defend himself? He must have something to say about all of this...
I think he's probably too evil to do that. And unfortunately, they probably have lots and lots and lots of dirt on him.
But as usual, I hope I'm wrong.
TO: Gen. Dick Myers
Paul Wolfowitz
Gen. Pete Pace
Doug Feith
FROM: Donald Rumsfeld
SUBJECT: Global War on Terrorism
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Today, we lack metrics to know if we are winning or losing the global war on terror. Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?
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It is pretty clear that the coalition can win in Afghanistan and Iraq in one way or another, but it will be a long, hard slog.
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And here's this harmless guy who shows up for a little puff piece, and gets the Spanish Inquisition."
Philalethes
There's one thing that nobody expects! I hope that at least they gave him a comfy chair.
Click on my homepage link to find the March 2003 press briefing by Shrub that Veritas refers to above.
THE PRESIDENT: I expect them to be treated, the POWs I expect to be treated humanely. And -- just like we're treating the prisoners that we have captured humanely. If not, the people who mistreat the prisoners will be treated as war criminals.
OMFG! SHE IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!
Frankly, I expect the Spanish Inquisition at any minute.
BushCos lies, deceptions, and upside downism is so pervasive its almost none-news.
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Michael Moore on Letterman tonight. Will the applause be huuuge?
did anyone see nightline last night? segment with Sen. Leahy & the Wall Street Journal reporter who printed the torture memo and some really slimy lawyer. Talking about Ashcroft's refusal to turn over the documents. Leahy is very sweet and sincere but not fast on his feet and got run over by the lawyer. The Wall Street Journal reporter was great, but didn't have much time to talk. It was kind of depressing.
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If I'm not mistaken, most of the March new jobs (ca. 300K) were part-time, and most of the April-May new jobs were the result of fiddling with the statistics.
"jimmiraybob- thank you. My point is that there are so many fucking criminal acts going on that NO one can keep up with them. Chalabi has been forgotten already."
veritas 06.18.04 - 9:57 pm
I understand fully. I have a hard time keeping track of all the potentail and painfully obvious lies and bumblings. Over the last 6-8 months I've have read and watched (books, c-span, etc.) so much that I'm awash in potential scandal - actually betrayal by the admin (except to a very narrow constituency). I;m only hoping that in August, September and October there can be a few hundred (thousand?) well defined points to focus on and that actually get some on-going mainstream attention. I'm optimistic...sometimes.
And another thing. What's up with the bump up in the polls? What are people thinking? Really. It's a mystery.
Yeah, the word "control" is new, just like the word "programs" was new in conjunction with WMD.
Fuck these shameless asshole liars.
I suspect that one of the reasons Rice is such a faithful liar for Bush is because he's giving her his kilbassa on the side. Now that he gives her his cock on a regular or semi-regular basis, she can't bear to see her beloved brought low or exposed for what he is.
And, to top it all off, why does NPR continue to give a platform to this bitch to spew her lies. I didn't hear the interview, but why do I suspect that no one challenged her?
Fuck NPR . . . as usual.
The whole administration is inept. Condi, Bush, and Rumsfeld have tired me out. There are so many lies that have been told, and it's frustrating because it doesn't seem that the majority of Americans care. I'm tired of saying, "Isn't anyone listening"?
Even if I was a Republican, I could admit that Bush's White House has set this country back for years and has single-handedly insured that there will be generations of oprhans and siblings set on doing whatever they can to make us pay for Iraq. Going after the Talibanin Afghanistan is one thing, but pulling this country into an invasion of Iraq because Georgie had a hard-on for Saddam is going to hurt us for a long time.
I noted an interesting point on the NPR today. Cheney was talking about the reference to Bush and himself that Saddam was part of the al Qaeda 9/11 conspiracy.
What was interesting was that his denial that he or Bush ever made statements that Saddam was played a part in the 9/11 attacks. In fact, he was pointing the finger at the media for not vetting and researching the story more than just accepting what they thought they understood.
What is appalling is that when the media did go off on a tangent on the story, both Bush and Cheney "let it ride" because of the popularity by the electorate in believing it was true and that when push came to shove, both of them could easily deny having ever made the statement.
IMHO, both have a fudicary responsibility to the public to be truthful. Both of them have the responsibility to set the record straight and not play politics with the mis-representation of facts, regardless of who went astray in their logic.
regards
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Ha! New article posted on Salon.com. Photo of O'Reilly, Matthews & Russert with their arms around each other (courtesy of photoshop) with the headline:
"You're the best!" "No, YOU'RE the best!!"
How Tim Russert, Bill O'Reilly, Chris Matthews and their talking-head pals wet-kiss each other all the way to the bank
By Scott Lamb.
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Should be a good read. I'm off to do that now...
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Speaking of so many, so many: tonight, on Inside Washington (PBS), Dana Priest (WaPo) was asked if there were any bombshells in Clinton's new book.
"No, but it did make me long for the good old days- and that was the good old days - you know, I have spent-talk about- he talked about the special prosecutor a lot, and I've spent the last many months covering special prosecutors who are looking at WMD in Iraq; who are looking at Did the Americans' key ally, Chalabi, now give secrets to Iran? So I sort of was longing for the days where we could write about something that was so unimportant."
So my question is: How many special prosecutors are there? How many grand juries?
I know Fitzgerald has Plame, and I believe also the forged Niger yellowcake docs. Who else? Because I'm certain she was talking plural.
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I posted this on the above thread but I just have to put it here as well -- it's just so spectacular (in a really terrible way...)
Julian Borger in Washington
Saturday June 19, 2004
The Guardian
"Bush told he is playing into Bin Laden's hands - Al-Qaida may 'reward' American president with strike aimed at keeping him in office, senior intelligence man says"
A senior US intelligence official is about to publish a bitter condemnation of America's counter-terrorism policy, arguing that the west is losing the war against al-Qaida and that an "avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked" war in Iraq has played into Osama bin Laden's hands.
Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror, due out next month, dismisses two of the most frequent boasts of the Bush administration: that Bin Laden and al-Qaida are "on the run" and that the Iraq invasion has made America safer.
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Imperial Hubris is the latest in a relentless stream of books attacking the administration in election year. Most of the earlier ones, however, were written by embittered former officials. This one is unprecedented in being the work of a serving official with nearly 20 years experience in counter-terrorism who is still part of the intelligence establishment.
The fact that he has been allowed to publish, albeit anonymously and without naming which agency he works for, may reflect the increasing frustration of senior intelligence officials at the course the administration has taken.
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Anonymous does not try to veil his contempt for the Bush White House and its policies. His book describes the Iraq invasion as "an avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked war against a foe who posed no immediate threat but whose defeat did offer economic advantage.
In his view, the US missed its biggest chance to capture the al-Qaida leader at Tora Bora in the Afghan mountains in December 2001. Instead of sending large numbers of his own troops, General Tommy Franks relied on surrogates who proved to be unreliable.
"For my money, the game was over at Tora Bora," Anonymous said.
"What I think we're seeing in al-Qaida is a change of generation," he said."The people who are leading al-Qaida now seem a lot more professional group.
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Anonymous, who published an analysis of al-Qaida last year called Through Our Enemies' Eyes, thinks it quite possible that another devastating strike against the US could come during the election campaign, not with the intention of changing the administration, as was the case in the Madrid bombing, but of keeping the same one in place.
"I'm very sure they can't have a better administration for them than the one they have now," he said.
"One way to keep the Republicans in power is to mount an attack that would rally the country around the president."
The whole link is on the Drudge Report.
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If I may shamelessly blogwhore for a moment...I believe you are all looking for these.
And speaking of the Spanish Inquisition...
Now I'm off to bed so I can wake tomorrow full of energy and spunk, until I remember where I am and who's in charge.
Nighty night!
Dammit!
I mean these
and this.
Oh, and by the way, if you think NPR sounds like propaganda, that's because it is. NPR's president is the former head of the gov'mint's radio propaganda services.
This is the A-team of sophists, in my book. They're starting to run out of tricks, though, and are now reaching so far down in the toolkit they can't do anything but quibble.
I've enjoyed all the colorful posts--'hamster-dicked asstard' gave me an honest-to-god belly-laugh--and only wish that you all would express yourselves more openly, more often.
As for Bob's comment accusing his enemies of using killing as just another rhetorical device, I read our Quibbler-in-chief's 'condolences' for the man beheaded by psychotics.
Bush's comments seem to be use the beheading as a convenient segue to his favorite commercial message about the war in (insert country here).
At what point do Condi, Dickey, Shrub et al believe thier lies will catch up with them? Never? After the election? I'm betting they think, "well, the OTHER Dick got away with it till after the '72 election"
Like you fucking care about any killing as such.
Rachel Corrie, bitch.
SQUEAK
it's called poisoning the debate
Which in turn, poisons outcomes.
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