I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I'm so embarrassed
Well, Move On is controversial.
Right?
Worthless corporate slugs.
what's more of an outrage is the fact that you make absolutely no mention of that poor american whose head was cut off.
God knows that it it had been an Abu Ghareb incident you would be trumpeting it.
bob- ALL Americans have been told to leave Saudi Arabia. IF they choose to stay, and something happens to them- tough shit.
CBS ain't all bad- 60 minutes exposed Abu Ghraib.
When Kerry wins in November, I sorely hope that he will remember this and use the power of the FCC acccordingly. This is beyond shameful. CBS doesn't even hide the fact that they are shills for one side of the debate only.
I just wrote and told them I'd be skipping the interview if they run the ad. Not much, but at least I can let them know.
How come Atrios goes on and on about CBS and MoveOn, but doesn't mention that Clinton got a blow job in the Oval Office?
Huh? huh? HUH?
Hey bob - who stirred up this shit anyway?
Dear bob,
US government actions - represent me. Actions by fuckheads around the world - not my responsibility. There were about 14,054 murders in the United States in the year 2002. Many were absolutely horrific. Almost 600 of the victims were under the age of 13. Where is your outrage about that?
I'm not going to pretend to be surprised that nasty things are happening to military and civilian personnel in the M.E., and nor am I going to post up an "expression of outrage" just to satisfy the jingoists who just 2 days ago were telling me that the news media was paying too much attention to this story.
Perhaps you can start your own blog where you can condemn every bad thing in the world, and prove yourself to be the Most OUtraged Person In The World.
"bob"--
Does it occur to you that when terrorists use the media to make their case and promote their causes, that bellowing about their brutality and showing the images they've chosen for us to see is in fact doing just what they want?
I've got a better idea for bob, Atrios:
Maybe bob should jam it up his ass, sideways. Wrapped in coarse sandpaper.
Frankly, I'm outraged about the outrage over the lack of outrage.
bob translated:
"Chimpo Akbar!"
Clinton was that cool kid in high school who got all of the cute girls to talk to him and he got blowjobs and he played football and went to all of the parties and everyone liked him and I hate him soo sooooooo much I want to be Clinton because he was cool.
and Klin-toon has a pretty wife too and i can't get any unless I pay for it, so I call her Hitler-y and I call feminists femi-nazis because I hate women because they reject me all the time.
I'm so pathetic. Please, won't some merciful soul put me out of my misery?
I bet Bob has the whole evening free to troll, just him and the KY jelly.
Jeez. What is it about living in this country that always gives me high blood pressure. 5 more months and I'm really gone this time if things stay the same.
You have to know that CBS ad-side didn't bother to check with CBS corporate, much less CBS News.
This is an idiocy that reflects heavily on the crappy business sense of a once respected corporation. Nuts. Absolutely nuts. I'm so embarassed that my people EVER got back to their people that I'm going to go tear up paystubs.
ph34r the CLENIS!!!!!!!11
Wrapped in coarse sandpaper.
Home Depot is carrying some REALLY good 30-grit right now - that stuff will take chrome off a trailer hitch.
Oh darn there citzens united (against bill clinton) site is down. Aint' that to bad. 
That "poor American" would still have his head if he had stayed the hell out of where he isn't wanted.
Nuff said, Bob. Like the others have said, "stick it up your ass sideways."
Fuckhead.
Maybe the will tell a lie and land a slander suit. That would be soooo nice.
CBS -- doing what lines their pockets. Clinton = sex = sales.
Scorpio
Eccentricity
"Clinton was that..."
Ack. Thfffpft. Abu Garrump.
I guess bob misunderoutraged us.
Now watch this drive to Baghdad.
Dude
Bossie the cow. Mooo, and Quack, quack.
"When Kerry wins in November, I sorely hope that he will remember this and use the power of the FCC acccordingly. This is beyond shameful. CBS doesn't even hide the fact that they are shills for one side of the debate only."
Anybody remember a little thing called the "Fairness Doctrine?" Required broadcasters who offered a political slant to give free air time to the opposing view point? Reagan got rid of it -- cause everyone knows opposing viewpoint are un-American. If Kerry wins, the first thing he should do is restore it.
Prophylactic shot of Troll-b-gone,
Pffsssst!
Listen closley and you may here the troll death rattle, "Dick, dick, dick, dick" followed later by the sound of the remaining flatus escaping as the anal sphincter relaxes, "Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuushhhh".
and another thing, i notice suddenly left wing blogs are stopped talking about teh iraq-al quaida connection now that they've been proved!
The Fairness Doctrine? Good Lord, man, don't you know that equality = communism!? What are you, a pinko? I've never heard of anything so un-American!
When Atrios complains about a thing, he fails to mention to Bob that he doesn't like another, unrelated thing.
Shorter Bob:
Why are left-wingers insufficiently engorged about this beheading?
and another thing, i notice suddenly left wing blogs are stopped talking about teh iraq-al quaida connection now that they've been proved!
bob
See what I mean by them getting us all killed? We can't let control of the world's only superpower be by dummies.
Shortest Bob:
Bob = Fucktard
Fuck CBS. And fuck Bob.
I'm really pissed off at this one. What a bunch of sleazeballs. Wonder how many favors the Bushies are running for them. Anyone know what CBS and/or its senior management people donated to the Chimp's campaign?
Bob, just so you know, I did mention the guy getting his head cut off over at my page, and I'm as left as the come.
On the actual MM post...if you guys click through to Atrios's link, you should also check out the transcript that MMFA has of Rush's show where he responds to Harkin's bill calling for balance on the armed forces network. It's remarkably classic.
Now, I've told you, all these George Soros groups -- Take Over America, Take Back America, Media Matters for America, this new Lib Talk Radio Network -- this is all about Hillary Clinton. These groups are not businesses, they are not in the commercial business -- commercial sector to turn a profit. These are not groups in -- into analysis. They are action-oriented political groups seeking to advance the goals and ideas of the Democratic Party.
Make no mistake about it. And they're all in existence to help Hillary. They're all run, or controlled by, or influenced by the Clintonoids and their supporters. The Clintons have long, long, shall we say, had a problem with me. And it's that truth detector line. ... The fact is it is I who am and was the truth detector at -- when analyzing them. That's what they don't like. They want to blunt my effectiveness by using their allies in Congress and elsewhere to do what they can to silence me. It's raw politics, folks. It's the kind that dictators and the Clintons like. It's raw politics. This is what -- this is disguised as theories. Or what have you.
I didn't know the clintons had such pwoer over everthing. I assume this also means that the Clintons killed JFK, and it was really the Clintons saying that Iraq was an ally of Al Qaeda.
http://balta.blogspot.com
Anybody remember a little thing called the "Fairness Doctrine?" Required broadcasters who offered a political slant to give free air time to the opposing view point? Reagan got rid of it -- cause everyone knows opposing viewpoint are un-American. If Kerry wins, the first thing he should do is restore it.
A-fucking-men. Let's see some legislation to require that corporate boards keep their nasty mitts off editorial decisions at news organizations.
and another thing, i notice suddenly left wing blogs are stopped talking about teh iraq-al quaida connection now that they've been proved!
Oh right, by russia. Uh huh. Real convincing. Hey, and another thing, I'm sure if Bob will just look down he'll notice that he's still hung like a hamster.
Now why isn't anyone blogging about that?
Shorter OxyDickhead: "Vast Leftwing COnspiracy"
The REALLLY GOOD sandpaper is the shit used on a drum sander, for stripping wood floors.
I have a couple of handy extra packs of 10 sheets, if you need them. Glady donated of coarse.
Coarse being operative. (so that the trolls get the pun)
and another thing, i notice suddenly left wing blogs are stopped talking about teh iraq-al quaida connection now that they've been proved!
Little brains. Little tiny brains.
The use to have some credibility Powell, has warned ALL Americans to immediately get out of Saudi Arabia.
If they choose to stay- tough shit if somethimg bad happens to them.
bob,
Didn't mommee ever teach you personal hygiene? Go change your maxipad - you're stinking the place up, Schmegma Lips.
Brace yourselves.
Like every cigarette takes eight minutes off of your life, so every mention of Clinton's memoirs adds one more story of Clenis-envy to the news cycles.
But then there's Farenheit 9/11 coming out next weekend.
Gladly* (jeebus I can't believe I did that)
Actually, I was hoping to goad you to post a link to a streaming of the beheading so I could have relations with myself while watching it.
It's boring constantly trolling lefty boards as a $1.50 a day outsourced independent contractor for the RNC, and I can't find Bill Bennett's website for some good dom action.
Commies.
Whoa...just heard on Air America new Gonzales testified in the Plame Grand Jury.
Pleasepleaseplease rid us of these bastards.
Those FUCKING FUCKERS!
~Sara, enraged
Bob, on this.
Bob, still sounds like "Chimpo Akbar!"
Do you have anything rational to say?
I think I figured out the connection between Saddam and Al Queda.
See Saddams blog "Mustaches and Machineguns" had Osama's blog "Kidney Stones in Caves" on his blogroll.
It's boring constantly trolling lefty boards as a $1.50 a day outsourced independent contractor for the RNC, and I can't find Bill Bennett's website for some good dom action.
As a low-wage temp slave I find this offensive.
Maybe Saddam and Osama were on Friendster or Tribes.
RE the w mantra that people who are willing to kill for their beliefs and their country are barbarians-
See crusades w boy, see American revolution etc throughout history
Im sure the barbarian muslims would gladly use F16s and b52s, and tanks instead of cowardly barbaric guerilla attacks, if they had them they could be civilized and fight fair like we do.
As veritas points out, CBS--60 Minutes especially--often does nifty things (Richard Clark's interview, Abu Graib, this Clinton interview etc.) The agita they've caused this administration more than balances what they're doing with this ad policy---for now.
Do I hate America. No I love America.
Do I hate imperialistic America. Yes.
Why does the dictionary hate America?
Is there a bigger asswipe around than Bossie?
I've got an idea, since he's so worried about the war on terra, let's all chip in and buy him a ticket to Baghdad! that's a fund raiser I'm sure we could all get behind. 
I still haven't forgiven Move On for their idiotic promotion of that global warming movie with Dennis Quaid. Very very lame.
ot -
Irony
More Irony
The Patriot Act extended US law to every US Military installation worldwide.
Like Abu Ghraib.
And Guantanamo.
Note to WH'ho: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make sure a colleague somewhere runs with this!
geez stunt woman, everyone makes a mistake at one time or another. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, mmkay? MoveOn.org has been fantastic. Look how hard the wingnuts are trying to destroy them. Anything that works the wingnuts up that much, must be doing something right.
In brightest day in blackest night no fuckwad troll escapes my sight let those who worship Cheney's might beware my power PeskyFly's LIGHT! (Giant flyswatter appears and bitchslaps all trolls and troll wannabes).
Glad to be of service!
"Is there a bigger @sswipe than Bossie?"
Bush
Cheney
Weyrich
Pearle
Wolfowitz
Rummy
Scooter
Rove
I could go on.
Hey I had fun at that idiotic movie. At least I didn't have to watch some jingoistic steriod-freak hoot about Murkah while he went around making the special effects possible.
Is this the media that we'll be relying on come election day? If it is, we're way beyond fucked.
I'd just like to state, for the record, that I'm against beheadings. I think they're gross and uncalled for.
However, when it comes to parsing the relative morality of beheadings and cluster bomb disembowelments, I'm afraid I'm just out of my depth. Must be attributable to poor toilet training in infancy.
Sorry.
Home Depot is carrying some REALLY good 30-grit right now - that stuff will take chrome off a trailer hitch.
Good to know. But I thought the owner of Home Despot was a big supporter of the boy king. Mebbe better to pick up the industrial scratchy stuff elsewhere.
what's more of an outrage is the fact that you make absolutely no mention of that poor american whose head was cut off.
God knows that it it had been an Abu Ghareb incident you would be trumpeting it.
God knows that we can't talk about any other fucking thing except the tragedy that's been getting non-stop airplay, as opposed to the lesser-known direct threat to our democracy. Get your own fucking blog you god damned soulless asshat.
sorry monica, but what big corp isn't in bed with its beloved fascist leader, that enriches them.
In the last 2 years corporate profits have increased by 67% while wages have declined.
I know I'm probably asking for the moon, but can anybody actually recall some network running an ad against a guest on one of their programs during that guest's appearance?
Youcan contact CBS here
Is this the media that we'll be relying on come election day? If it is, we're way beyond fucked.
BlakNo1
I'm not relying on shit come election day but a paper ballot.
I worried, though. I'm really worried. In a lower-down thread there was a discusison about polls being faked to show higher-than-reality numbers for Little Boots. What I've been wondering about is how it is that anyone will actualy be voting for Nader this time around, and how they're garnering a percentage in the polls roughly equivalent to either the poll's margin of error, or Bush's lag behind Kerry. It doesn't make any sense at all. No way does Nader have that many people voting for him this election. Not after Miserable Failure's blood-drenched debacle of a term. NO WAY.
Diebold, I'm sure, would show that Nader stole the election from Kerry, who would lose by very small margin.
Demand a paper ballot!
As veritas points out, CBS--60 Minutes especially--often does nifty things (Richard Clark's interview, Abu Graib, this Clinton interview etc.) The agita they've caused this administration more than balances what they're doing with this ad policy---for now.
Well, since the offending ad might run during the 60 Minutes program, I guess a case could be made.
Still, though, the balance to be struck isn't between the ad versus the content of the programming. It's the ads versus the other ads.
CBS seems to think that presenting one side of the political spectrum's advertising is OK, even as it has stated that it will not run ads from another side of the spectrum.
Block out your CBS channel.
How come Atrios goes on and on about CBS and MoveOn, but doesn't mention that Clinton got a blow job in the Oval Office?
Huh? huh? HUH?
Maj. Renato Christian, patriot
But seriously, Renatos and Gentlemen... has anyone seen one major piece on Bill Clinton's book release this week, that DIDN'T blast the headline about "Monica Lewinsky"?
Because that's all that happened in 8 years of a Clinton presidency, you know. All fucking day yesterday, day before... headline in NYC tabloid: "HIS CHEATIN' HEART".
Because that's all there was to talk about, for the last coupla days, right?
I'm just full of questions tonight . . .
I can't believe the people at 60 minutes are particularly happy about this. They'd probably enjoy some turnabout . . .
Somebody know somebody with ties to Clinton? Get him to end his 60 minutes appearance live to refute the crap that David Bossie broadcasts. It'd answer the questions right there, and the gutsiness of it would sell more books.
only a wardrobe malfunction,
move on , nothing to see here...
Here's my quick email to CBS:
I am writing to protest your policy on running advocacy ads on your network.
It is a gross violation of any notion of fairness that you will be running an anti-Clinton ad by a known GOP advocacy group, Citizens United. On top of that, Citizens United is headed by one of the most scurrilous Clinton-haters of the 90s, and current GOP operatives, David Bossie. You really should be ashamed of your association with the likes of Mr. Bossie.
If you are willing to run this ad, how can you justify not running the ads by MoveOn.org? It appears that CBS is making a conscious political decision to become a wing of the Republican Party. I will immediately begin writing to legislators demanding that you be treated as the partisan organization that you have now decided to become.
Sincerely,
m.d.
Totally off-topic, and I'm sure somebody's already brought it up, but, damn, does this bear repeating:
MSNBC Headline story:
"Cheney blames 'lazy' media for blurring Saddam, 9/11"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233810/
Holy freakin' poo. The Onion staffers must be committing seppukku.
hueyplong, well okay. I'd at least admit that they are asswipes of similar proportions.
When you say Scooter though, make sure you say Scooter Libbey, lest anyone confuse him with our own home-grown preznitial candidate Scooter.
Molly, NYC is mostly right, but not quite. There are certainly people--journalists-- who work for CBS who can--but don't always-- do the right thing. But the advertising policy actually reflects the bias of CBS as a corporate entity more accurately than any breakdown of news they have or haven't reported.
Example: A Republican may own a lucrative bumper sticker factory that prints "Pro-Kerry" stickers for a good profit. Thad doesn't mean the owner will put one on his car.
Better example: Look at the gulf between the front page reporting and the editorial page content in the WSJ for the last three years.
What's reported v. what's believed can be mutually exclusive. So in the end the advertising policies tell the story I believe.
News happens--- The specific stories that have been mentioned(Clarke/Torture etc.) HAD to be reported, even if they went against CBS's natural bias. They were too sexy not to report, somebody was going to do it. Advertising is strictly a business deal--- and CBS has clearly excercised its conservative prejudice. Remember...
NEVER PRAISE THE MEDIA FOR MERELY DOING IT'S JOB ONCE IN THE BLUEST OF MOONS! CBS has been complicit in operation FUBAR from the beginning--- recent reportage isn't much more than rats running away from a sinking ship. Thank goodness they are running, but it's no time to start passing out cigars and talking about a job well done.
yes but what about John Kerry? or Did he take another week off.
sorry monica, but what big corp isn't in bed with its beloved fascist leader, that enriches them.
Fair enough, veritas. But Home Depot CEO Robert Nardelli has gone so far as to hold and host at least one major fundraiser for the boy king. I don't think HD's competitors have gone that far, so no $$ from me.
"geez stunt woman, everyone makes a mistake at one time or another. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, mmkay? MoveOn.org has been fantastic. Look how hard the wingnuts are trying to destroy them. Anything that works the wingnuts up that much, must be doing something right."
One question: did Move On apologize or acknowledgement their mistake? Because it was a mistake. A real stupid one.
Perhaps Cheney made a big mistake saying it was the press that blurred the lines between Saddam and AQ not w's admin. That and calling them lazy.
The troll's song(to the tune of the Oscar Meyer weiner song):
Oh I wish I were a Bossie-villified Clenis
That is what I'd really long to be
For is I were a Bossie-villified Clenis
Then I'd be on CBS with Lewinsky!
There's a link at Media Matters to send an email complaint to CBS. Please, let's all of us put our money where our mouths are and take a minute to do this.
"Cheney blames 'lazy' media for blurring Saddam, 9/11"
The Agonist -- now at http://scoop.agonist.org -- has a good pick-up today on a couple of the boy king's statements related to Iraq and Al Queda:
Bush March 19, 2003: Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that ... acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Bush June 17, 2004: This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda.
What "mistake" was that, Stunt Woman? Did Move On spread an inane self-contradictory conspiracy theory about vile Semitic enemies necessitating war at home and abroad? Did Move On take advantage of a terrorist strike to revoke the freedoms that define our civilization? Did Move On thump on about Heimat and Birthright and Crusade and Patriotism to send our countrymen to their deaths?
just in time for the holiday weekend non-news cycle...
White House counsel questioned in leak probe
Grand jury investigates outing of covert CIA operative
The Associated Press
Updated: 6:02 p.m. ET June 18, 2004
WASHINGTON - The White House’s top lawyer was questioned by a federal grand jury Friday in the criminal investigation of who in the Bush administration leaked the name of a covert CIA operative last year.
White House counsel Alberto Gonzales underwent questioning at the federal courthouse. He was the latest in a string of administration officials to be asked about the unauthorized disclosure of the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame, wife of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, to the news media.
“The president directed the White House to cooperate fully, and Judge Gonzales was just doing his part to cooperate,” said White House press secretary Scott McClellan, who also has gone before the grand jury.
Vice President Dick Cheney was recently questioned by investigators, and President Bush has indicated that he, too, expects to be questioned. Bush has consulted with a private attorney about the case, since the White House counsel can represent him only on official matters.
Disclosure of an undercover officer’s identity can be a federal crime.
Syndicated columnist Robert Novak revealed Plame’s work for the CIA a week after Wilson publicly criticized Bush’s claim that Iraq had tried to obtain uranium from the African nation of Niger.
Wilson had earlier been sent to Niger by the CIA to check out the allegation and concluded it was unfounded. Bush stated subsequently in his State of the Union address that Iraq had sought to buy uranium in Africa.
Wilson has said that revealing his wife’s name was an attempt to discredit him. In printing Plame’s name, Novak wrote that two administration officials said Wilson’s wife suggested sending him on the Niger trip.
Wilson has suggested in a book that the leaker was Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Cheney’s chief of staff.
The White House denies the claim and accuses Wilson of seeking to bolster the campaign of Democrat John Kerry, for whom he has acted as a foreign policy adviser.
One question: did Move On apologize or acknowledgement their mistake? Because it was a mistake. A real stupid one.
I don't think the mistake, even if it is appropriately characterized as such, is of such consequence as to negate the valuable work that MoveOn.org has done and is doing.
Clinton got a blowjob and got impeached.
Scarborough had a young dead intern found in his office and got a tv show.
American justice.
Stunt Woman said: One question: did Move On apologize or acknowledgement their mistake? Because it was a mistake. A real stupid one.
Um, given the real mistakes that have had impact on the real lives of people living in the real world--- you know, the folks MoveOn are trying to oust--- I'll take this stupid mistake and 1000 just like it.
Forest meet trees, trees meet forest.
Sweet Jee-zus
OT-In Florida any registered voter can vote by absentee ballot-paper ballot. Don't know about other states.
There's a link at Media Matters to send an email complaint to CBS. Please, let's all of us put our money where our mouths are and take a minute to do this.
I can't get the MMA site or the CBS site to load [old browser]. Anybody have an e-mail address?
Majority Report Radio should put its listeners on the scent of this particular CBS outrage.
So, does CBS have a policy against "advocacy" ads, or don't they?
As the article mentioned (and as we all observed when they denied MoveOn's ads) they have no problem running pro-Drug War ads from the ONDCP.
The work from 60 Minutes has been good, but the people leading the company are, it seems, irredeemably corrupt.
Seraphiel
Yes, and business policy is a much better measure of how corrupt than reportage.
The Big Dog can effectively deal with Americans United with a big fat libel suit. Drain their treasury.
Clinton is now a private person, and the standards for libel for a "celebrity" only require that the libeler 'know' (intend) to state false facts.
Go Get Um, Bill...
What's at work here is exactly the same corporate dynamic fueling the Janet Jackson "outrage."
CBS' parent company, Viacom, heavily benefitted from the lifting of ownership caps for media conglomerates. They're still deep in payback. It's disgusting, but as someone said, 60 Minutes has been doing some pretty great work lately (though there's always the question of what took y'all so long), so there's a degree of balance now that there wasn't at the beginning of this year.
I'd actually touched on some of these issues in an editorial in the Jackson, MS paper, The Clarion Ledger, back in February.
The Thorn Papers...
Y'all come by now
I'm outraged at the beheading. If Bush wasn't supporting the terrorist harboring regime in Saudi Arabia, and wasn't kissing Bandar's butt, the guy wouldn't have died. How's that? Why does this beheading benefit Bush?
Oh.
I forgot.
EVERYTHING benefits Bush.
Im sure the barbarian muslims would gladly use F16s and b52s, and tanks instead of cowardly barbaric guerilla attacks, if they had them they could be civilized and fight fair like we do.
From the 1966 film Battle of Algiers (paraphrasing):
"Give us your airplanes, your machine guns, your napalm, and we will gladly give you our home-made bombs in baskets."
Don't complain to Atrios, flood CBS's switchboard with complaints. This is bullshit. Nail them to the wall like the right did with the Reagan movie.
I'd just like to state, for the record, that I'm against beheadings. I think they're gross and uncalled for.
Well, in general I am too... I can think of some guys that are just fucking crying out for it. Wouldn't bother me a bit.
That's what these fuckers have brought us all too.
I think we need a refresher course on troll-starving.
CBS was selling viacom stocks again. The insider trading hammer is what they fear. Bush can profit and selectively prosecute.
Fuck Dan Rather. The SOB went to Afghanistan to film/report war vs. Soviets, he has been in the bin laden circle of apoligsts well before 9-11. Fuck that troll he's an Oil industry implant from S.H.I.T. school in Texas...
He has lived up to that billing every day his frist big story (and Petey Jennings') was Dallas and the Warren Commission.
Some of us still remember.
CBS was selling viacom stocks again. The insider trading hammer is what they fear.
hook a brother up with a link on that trading?
The Thorn Papers...
Y'all come by now
All,
Please pay no attention to the creature known as "bob". Although he has the requisite free time, he lacks the skill and artistry embodied by true trolls. He is at best a feeble imitation of a troll - a scab, if you will. Rest assured that we will never lower our standards sufficiently to allow those such as "bob" into our ranks. When you get a card carrying Union Troll, you're getting only the best.
Thank you.
Why would Bush being connected-or, excuse us-subservient to a terrorist regime trying to balance their terror and that of lesser parties protect anyone, let alone an expendable American citizen ignoring a State Department warning? Oh, we forgot, rightists are idiots.
OT: I hope some people learned today that John McCain is not their friend.
Also, CBS is trying to lose the "CBS is liberal" tag that we hear so often from facts-disabled types.
Following the link from Brock's site, here's what I sent them:
"I would like to express my disappointment with whomever is in charge of CBS's advertising policy as it relates to political advertising.
At issue is CBS's decision to air adverts by David Bossie's "Citizens United" organization in the wake of the network's previous statements regarding its rejection of ads by MoveOn.org and PETA.
CBS/Viacom rejected those ads based on their status as "advocacy ads" which were in alleged conflict with the Network's policy against "dealing with controversial issues of public importance." (Reuters, 29Jan04)
The decision to air the "advocacy ads" of one group while refusing to do so for another group reeks of blatant partisanship and only serves to underscore the downside of media consolidation.
I can say, unequivocally, that until either the "Citizen's United" ad is dropped or the policy regarding political advertisments is enforced in a decidedly more equitable fashion, i will devote none of the small portion of time i spend watching television to any CBS/Viacom networks and i will urge friends, co-workers, and family to follow suit."
"What "mistake" was that, Stunt Woman? Did Move On spread an inane self-contradictory conspiracy theory about vile Semitic enemies necessitating war at home and abroad? Did Move On take advantage of a terrorist strike to revoke the freedoms that define our civilization? Did Move On thump on about Heimat and Birthright and Crusade and Patriotism to send our countrymen to their deaths?"
Oy. I'm on your side folks. But that doesn't mean I need to fellate Move On. I found their bizarre attempts to "get behind" an absurd Hollywood disaster movie rather revealing. At the very least, it suggested to me that someone high up in Move On is not very discerning when it comes to the difference between scientific facts and pure propaganda.
Just out of curiosity, if you go to Michael Moore's new movie and discover that it is filled with complete bullshit and exagerations (which it doesn't, by all accounts) about what the Bushies have done, would you still recommend that everyone sees it so they can educate themselves about this Administration?
I hope not. In that case, I hope that you would say that maybe people might want to go see the movie purely for entertainment reasons.
Move On SHOULD APOLOGIZE FOR THEIR STUPID PROMOTION OF THE MOVIE. Why wouldn't they? Apologizing is easy. It can be done in a few words. Painless. And it would show that they are an organization of SUBSTANCE and not merely a machine for spreading propoganda that liberals would find entertaining. It would restore the credibility they lost when the revealed that they obviously have nobody in their organization with serious scientific credentials who they take seriously.
I ain't no troll. I gave plenty of money to Move On before they stumbled and I"ll give more when they get back on their feet. Until then, I wait anxiously for their next similar fuckup.
Veritas:
CBS ain't all bad- 60 minutes exposed Abu Ghraib.
No, dumbass: the Army itself did that. You just didn't know to care until Madame Couric showed you the fucking pictures.
Look for the union label
when you are buying that coat, dress or blouse.
Remember somewhere our union's sewing,
our wages going to feed the kids, and run the house.
We work hard, but who's complaining?
Thanks to the I.L.G. we're paying our way!
So always look for the union label,
it says we're able to make it in the U.S.A.!
And the same goes for the Troll Union (Local 971 union bug applied, not legal without this mark)
"What "mistake" was that, Stunt Woman? Did Move On spread an inane self-contradictory conspiracy theory about vile Semitic enemies necessitating war at home and abroad? Did Move On take advantage of a terrorist strike to revoke the freedoms that define our civilization? Did Move On thump on about Heimat and Birthright and Crusade and Patriotism to send our countrymen to their deaths?"
Oy. I'm on your side folks. But that doesn't mean I need to fellate Move On. I found their bizarre attempts to "get behind" an absurd Hollywood disaster movie rather revealing. At the very least, it suggested to me that someone high up in Move On is not very discerning when it comes to the difference between scientific facts and pure propaganda.
Just out of curiosity, if you go to Michael Moore's new movie and discover that it is filled with complete bullshit and exagerations (which it doesn't, by all accounts) about what the Bushies have done, would you still recommend that everyone sees it so they can educate themselves about this Administration?
I hope not. In that case, I hope that you would say that maybe people might want to go see the movie purely for entertainment reasons.
Move On SHOULD APOLOGIZE FOR THEIR STUPID PROMOTION OF THE MOVIE. Why wouldn't they? Apologizing is easy. It can be done in a few words. Painless. And it would show that they are an organization of SUBSTANCE and not merely a machine for spreading propoganda that liberals would find entertaining. It would restore the credibility they lost when the revealed that they obviously have nobody in their organization with serious scientific credentials who they take seriously.
I ain't no troll. I gave plenty of money to Move On before they stumbled and I"ll give more when they get back on their feet. Until then, I wait anxiously for their next similar fuckup.
from tomorrow's editorial in the Minn. Star-Tribune..
...If someone calls Gov. Tim Pawlenty's office, or even meets with the governor on occasion, they have "contacts" with him. But that does not establish that they have either "ties" to or a "relationship" with him.
This is how the Bush administration officials dissemble on issue after issue: They play word games. It's time they admitted the truth: Driven by a blindness to the world as it really is, they led the United States into a war it should not have waged, a war that made the United States less safe by dividing it from its allies and diverting its attention from the real war on terror.
http://tinyurl.com/2kwnq
"Fair enough, veritas. But Home Depot CEO Robert Nardelli has gone so far as to hold and host at least one major fundraiser for the boy king. I don't think HD's competitors have gone that far, so no $$ from me."
Nardelli did indeed hold such a fundraiser, at his $7 million home in the Buckhead section of Atlanta. Chimpy put in a personal appearance at the party and collected a cool $3.2 million for two hours of back-slapping, IIRC.
Support your local mom-and-pop hardware stores, if they still exist!
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What I wrote them:
I understand that even though you found it necessary to ban previous "advocacy" ads for PETA and MoveOn.org, you now have accepted an ad to run during the 60 Minutes interview with former President Clinton that seeks to "clear the record" about Clinton's presidency. If this is not an advocacy ad, I don't know what is. First of all, former President Clinton is just that, a FORMER President. The group who has somehow gained your good graces to air their ad, when other groups sought to only do the same during the Super Bowl and were denied, is nothing but a right-wing advocacy group bent on further destroying any dialogue that might grow out of bipartisanship. My understanding is that their ad is to denigrate the Clinton administration and foister the notion the September 11th was ONLY the Clinton administration's fault. Nothing could be further from the truth, nothing is coming forth from the 9/11 Commission that even suggests that and running this ad would be nothing short of slanderous. Shame on CBS for pandering to the right-wing media machine that cries "foul" at anyone else exercising their First Amendment rights and then soils the fabric of our American right to dissent with their scurrulous fabrications and half-truths.
Madame Couric being a NBC employee not withstanding.
Leader who beheaded American is killed:
RIYADH (Reuters) - Al Qaeda militants in Saudi Arabia beheaded American hostage Paul Johnson Friday and their leader was then killed in a shootout with security forces as he tried to dispose of the body, Saudi officials said.
Abdulaziz al-Muqrin's group posted photographs of the 49-year-old aviation engineer's severed head on a Web site, six days after he was seized. The Saudi government had refused to free Islamist prisoners by a Friday deadline set by the cell.
Shortly afterwards, as Muqrin and two other top militants deposited the body in the capital Riyadh, they were surrounded by Saudi security men and gunned down, a security source said.
Muqrin, an angry young man driven by revenge and hatred for the United States and its Arab allies, was Saudi Arabia's most wanted al Qaeda leader. His death will be portrayed as a major blow to Saudi-born Osama bin Laden by the kingdom's rulers, once chided by their U.S. allies as being soft on terrorism.
Well, since the offending ad might run during the 60 Minutes program, I guess a case could be made.
Still, though, the balance to be struck isn't between the ad versus the content of the programming. It's the ads versus the other ads.
CBS seems to think that presenting one side of the political spectrum's advertising is OK, even as it has stated that it will not run ads from another side of the spectrum.
monica_nyc: You're right, it's a near thing; by November, CBS may seem like another Fox.
Clearly, though, CBS's ad department and 60 Minutes' producers aren't coming from the same place--possibly because this administration just oozes the kind of juicy corruption that's always been 60 Minutes' bread and butter.
What the hell is stunt woman talking about?
Is she attempting a non-dismissal dismissal of Fahrenheit IX/XI?
What movie is this that Move On so insidiously promoted?
Anybody just see the Michael Moore interview on "Dateline"?
Kei and Yuri: it was called "The Day After Tomorrow."
http://www.moveon.org/news/dat.html
I suppose when Peter Jackson comes out with his remake of "King Kong" MoveOn can use the movie to start a "conversation" about the evils of biotechnology.
Bottom line: it's a bad idea for groups like MoveOn to associate themselves with Hollywood schlock.
k & y --
She's talking about the silly, obvious popcorn schlockbuster (not to be confused with a serious global warming documentary) The Day After Tomorrow.
I didn't think we liberals had to be all-business-all-science all the time, but whatever.
"I think we need a refresher course on troll-starving."
Easy:
[insert troll quote]
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Repeat as necessary, or as desired.
Alright, so Move On promoted the "day after" disaster flick. Obviously they are secretly planning to break the windows of neighborhood Jews while bombing places of worship and subjecting us all to dhimmitude. Why was that even a mistake again?
Stunt Womasn, if it gets people talking in the right direction, and nothing else out there is, why not?
Kei and Yuri: fyi, there was nothing "insidious" about Move On's promotion of the movie. My point is not how they promoted the movie. My point is that there are far better uses of the money I gave them than to associate themselves in any way with pseudoscientific Hollywood drivel.
Jeebus, did somebody get up on the wrong side of her stunt pay?
Well, even the PBS is stripping off it's liberal dress. They are putting Tucker Carlson on from tomorrow onwards...Now you can get fair and unbiased television a la Faux on even the only so-called liberal network.
And they are cutting Bill Moyer's show from one hour to half an hour, plus adding some other nutwing. I was listening to their begging period today, and derived a certain type of paradoxical enjoyment from the fact that now the wingnuts must pay their bills, and I will get new shoes.
What's all this fuss about? Those ads will help our erudite voting public be assured that there have been no more blow jobs in the oval office. Now we have good Christian, moral values in that office which have produced lies, war, dead soldiers, torture, a crappy environment and the poor and minorities have been put in their place, not to mention women's right to choose.
No, dumbass: the Army itself did that. You just didn't know to care until Madame Couric showed you the fucking pictures.
Did you care until you saw the fucking pictures, dumbass?
Right, so they decided to do one stupid thing. They should wither and die for this?
[squinting while holding heads askew]
You're still crazy.
I don't think that endorsing Day After was a mistake on MoveOn's part.
I remember the audience have a bang-up time with some of the little scenes in the movie... like when the fictious Preznit turns to his Cheney lookalike VP and asks him what he should do -- everyone laughs... when Mexico closed its borders everyone was clapping and hooting, and then again more clapping when the Cheney-ish guy personally apologized for ignoring calls to reduce greenhouse gases and promote alternative energy sources.
It wasn't like anyone going to see it was expecting a university climatology department lecture or anything. It's a disaster movie, fer cryin' out loud!
"Alright, so Move On promoted the "day after" disaster flick. Obviously they are secretly planning to break the windows of neighborhood Jews while bombing places of worship and subjecting us all to dhimmitude. Why was that even a mistake again?"
Wow. So I'm either 100% behind Move On or I think they're Nazis? Where do you come up with this garbage?
Monica says:
"I didn't think we liberals had to be all-business-all-science all the time, but whatever."
We don't. I thought Move On was too serious of an organization to imagine that a Hollywood disaster movie had anything whatsoever to do with the debate about how to stop polluting the earth without unfairly affecting the growth certain businesses and countries. The movie did absolutely nothing to chance the debate and, if anything, such movies only make the issues seem frivolous.
I don't care if people see the movie or not. I just don't want to see what is otherwise an important political organization making a mockery of itself.
Science is real. That stuff on the screen in Day After Tomorrow came out of the Skywalker Ranch or someplace equally "fantastic."
I still can't believe this Yei and Kuri post. It's got to be a troll. Nobody can be that stupid.
(800) 362-4788 for citizens united. i encourage all persons of good will, especially those in alaska or hawaii, to call and voice your opinion concerning this advert.
J.T.
Well, I sent them an e-mail saying, if they do this, no more CBS/Viacom consumption for THIS household.
Now, where do I get the phone number for these corporate creeps, so I can start bugging them on Monday morning? Anyone have a number?
"Right, so they decided to do one stupid thing. They should wither and die for this?"
They shouldn't "wither and die." That would be a shame and a waste. They should apologize and get on with it. I'll send 'em some turkee forthright.
At least we agree that it was stupid thing they did.
am i the only one that does a big fat sigh when people are encouraging me to 'mail the shit' out of a particularly shitty organization?
i mean, what's to say these people even read the letters, or just toss them out?
shit, don't you think they already thought about this before they made the decision to run the ad? or do you think they're really that callous?
this is gotcha politics, again. bringing, or trying to bring reason to the debate is just a waste of time, in my mind.
"I don't care if people see the movie or not. I just don't want to see what is otherwise an important political organization making a mockery of itself." C'mon - it takes a -lot- more than a false Hollywood step to make a mockery out of anybody who isn't already in the industry and in town. Don't worry. This one only matters in LA and it only matters for oh, fifteen minutes.
I understand that Bollywood is bringing out some really hot stuff - wonder if the LA side is going to be worked up over that, too?
Kate - NY-CBS, main number: 212 975-7000
is Clinton running for something?
"I remember the audience have a bang-up time with some of the little scenes in the movie"
If this is the standard that Move On applies when deciding which Hollywood schlock they are going to promote, then they are failing to recommend a whole lot of other applicable movies (and TV programs).
Again, I hope Move On gets away from this business. It only feeds into the worst conservative perceptions of liberals (much as posts like Kei's and Yuri's do).
Hey bob, the guy spent years dreaming of being a solder of fortune and hey, he got his dream.
Sorry to go somewhat OT. But this whole topic seems to be OT.
This is too damn weird, (check the comments section) and someone needs to reel me in tonight before I start diggin a hole in the backyard.
Nope, I haven't even started drinkin' yet. But I will soon. They ain't takin' me sober.
I posted this on the CBS comment site:
Dear CBS,
Re Citizens United, led by David Bossie:
If it is true that you will be airing an "advocacy ad" paid for by the above listed group, you will have violated your own stated policy, vis a vis your decision to not air the MoveOn.org and PETA "advocacy" ads during the Super Bowl.
Will you damn for all time your credibility--does somebody in power have you by your nads? In this world of ours there are liars and then there are bald-faced liars. Which are you?
I guess I'll find out Sunday, June 20th, 2004.
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By corporate creeps, I mean CBS, not Citizens United.
By the way, what will calling Citizens United accomplish? They already hate sane people.
Stunt Woman, I'm with ya. The world's all ready clogged with enough fuzzy-headed, pseudoscientific dreck and I don't think we need MoveOn to encourage it.
Or should MoveOn start spedning their money on, say, the Institution of Creation Research, or fund Flat Earth research? Come on!
When bob prefaces his post with his shame over the 127 Iraqis, many innocent of anything, that we have tortured to death, I will preface each of my posts with my outrage that there are terrorists out there that behead Americans.
Also, bob is insufficiently outraged about the outing of a CIA operative by republicans motivated by petty political revenge. That was treason, bob, real treason that isn't just the kind of treason that republicans see whenever somebody disagrees with them. If republicans didn't commit so many outrages that were also incredibly fucking stupid I wouldn't be so damn afraid of them.
Stunt Woman, I'm with ya. The world's all ready clogged with enough fuzzy-headed, pseudoscientific dreck and I don't think we need MoveOn to encourage it.
Or should MoveOn start spedning their money on, say, the Institution of Creation Research, or fund Flat Earth research? Come on!
GWPDA - thanks for the number. Duly written down. By the way, what does one say to the switchboard person in order to get listened to? I've never called a network before (just local stations about our own local shit).
Suggestions welcome from all.
Richard Cranium -
I'm having trouble reading the comments on the website, I keep clicking and nothing happens. Don't know why.
Can you tell us what's there, please? Maybe a little cut-and-paste? Before you get too snookered...
RIYADH (Reuters) - Al Qaeda militants in Saudi Arabia beheaded American hostage Paul Johnson Friday and their leader was then killed in a shootout with security forces as he tried to dispose of the body, Saudi officials said.
I guess it's just a sign of excess skepticism that when I read this thoughts of Ruby and Oswald came to mind.
I hope the Saudis left somebody to interrogate.
Kate:
Good morning. I'd like to speak to 60 Minutes, please. Thank you.
(hold, hold, hold)
Yes, I'd like to speak to whoever is responsible for the decision to include the Bossie advertisements. Yes, that will be fine.
(hold, hold, hold)
Mr. Jackass? What the crap do you people think you're doing? Do you have any idea .....
It pretty much flows from there.
"Marion decided the only way to effectively battle the British was with guerrilla tactics. Many of his officers and men questioned this style of fighting at first. To them, it wasn't honorable to strike, then retreat without giving a full fight to the English army. Eventually, they realized that this was a smart way to fight and was the best suited to their style of warfare.
Marion and his soldiers would concentrate their attacks on British supply camps and the supply lines themselves. They would rest during the day and march at night, quite often attacking at midnight. Marion was able to cut the supply lines linking the British occupied cities and chased and harassed various British leaders, most notably Colonel Banastre Tarleton.
Marion displayed a natural talent for strategy and tactics and was known for his personal bravery. He is considered by most to be the father of the U.S. Army Special Forces because of his unique innovations.
For example, scouts would always ride ahead to prevent ambushes. Some of them would hide in the top of tall trees and signal with shrill whistles. This was done at night when Marion would march and attack. If a bridge had to be crossed near an enemy post, blankets would be laid on the wooden planks to muffle the horses hoofs. A campfire was never used twice and when planning a raid, Marion kept the target to himself until the last moment.
This strategy bewildered the British who would chase after Marion into the swamps, only to loose him. The British complained that it was an unfair method of fighting a war and they felt that the Americans didn't play by the rules of "civilized warfare."
Sorry. Hit post too soon. My previous post was to add to Generik's:
"Im sure the barbarian muslims would gladly use F16s and b52s, and tanks instead of cowardly barbaric guerilla attacks, if they had them they could be civilized and fight fair like we do.
From the 1966 film Battle of Algiers (paraphrasing):
"Give us your airplanes, your machine guns, your napalm, and we will gladly give you our home-made bombs in baskets."
Generik
Or should MoveOn start spedning their money on, say, the Institution of Creation Research, or fund Flat Earth research? Come on!
What do you think they spent on this endosement, honestly? I doubt their statements broke the bank or anything.
It was silly, but as silly things go, not nearly as big a deal as you guys are making out.
The big movie this summer is Farenheit 9/11, anyway. The whole Day After "thing" won't even be memorable in a month's time.
Stunt Woman & Enraged Water Heater,
I agree with you folks: I think the "global warming" theme was a marketing ploy for The Day After Tomorrow, which was standard brainless Hollywood fare.
Nevertheless, the charman of Shell Oil confessed concerns over global climate change, and some folks (free reg. req'd) are attributing his admission to that "unscientific piece of schlock."
Can I just sleep until November 2nd? No, of course not... but that should tell you how much I am not looking forward to the next 4 1/2 months.
Don't forget to torture Lou Dobbs.
Can someone cheer me up with some positive spin about the chances of getting rid of Bush in November?
Just called the CBS national news desk in NYC just to see if I could leave a message about this. Got the number right off the Internet (212-975-4114). The woman began as nastily as possible, trying to dismiss me because she was not in advertising, so not responsible for this. No offer to transfer me to the 60 Minutes number, just basically fuck off. Well, she was so rude that after she transferred me to some computerized operator, I called her back to tell her how rude she is.
Her excuse: She has had a hard day and this number is nor for the public. She has to deal with people for 8 hours a day (waaaah).
Anyhoo, the 60 Minutes number (found later) is (212) 975-3247. And if you're bored, call WitchiePoo up and give her hell.
GWPDA - Thanks for your suggestion, and the good laugh it provided, too. There's too little laughing these days...
Well, I guess maybe Richard Cranium is gone, but I really, really want to read the comments at his site to find out what's creeping him out.
Can someone tell me, when I go to another blog that has Haloscan comments (and when the cursor sits on the comments, the info on the status bar says "JavaScript" and then displays a long number), I can't make the comments come up. You computer-savvy people, please tell me which setting I need to change. I've been playing with all the Java security settings I can find, but nothing so far seems to work.
I hope someone much more savvy than myself can help a poor non-techie out here. Thanks!
Richard Cranium -
I'm having trouble reading the comments on the website, I keep clicking and nothing happens. Don't know why.
Haloscan's weird like that sometimes. Shutdown your browser and try again. If you're running a wonderful Windows operating system, shutdown your computer then restart. Sometimes, the haloscan javascript seems to blow everything out of the water. (I don't want to hijack this thread with my inane posting - keep trying).
And they are cutting Bill Moyer's show from one hour to half an hour
No! Really? Please tell me that this isn't true. This is the first I've read about it.
haven't looked at the law in years, but in the 70s, I think, the case was decided that permitted networks to refuse political ads. The decision was premised on the fairness doctrine -- now abolished. Time for another law suit.
Kerry's Fuzzy Math
Yesterday we noted that John Kerry had claimed, in a Columbus, Ohio, speech, that more black Americans are in prison than in college. It turns out that KERRY LIED!!!! Blogger Clyde Middleton has the numbers (links below in PDF):
The US [Department of Justice] tells us the number of blacks incarcerated at mid-year 2002 (page 11, Table 13): 818,900 black men; 65,600 black women; total 884,500 blacks.
The US Census Bureau tells us the number of blacks in college during 2002: 802,000 black men; 1,476,000 black women; total 2,278,000 blacks.
It's true that among black men the number of prison inmates was slightly higher than the number of college students. But as the Statistical Assessment Service notes, this is a meaningless comparison, since "you can go to prison at any age, but are most likely to be in college between the ages of 18-24." A college-age black man, it turns out, is 2.5 times as likely to be in college as in prison. Also worth noting: A career criminal can easily end up spending decades of his life behind bars, while only the laziest student stays in college that long.
Thanks for the telephone numbers, folks.
Look, I hate to be in a position of defending CBS, but I thought when they rejected MoveOn's ads, it was a rejection of running them during the Super Bowl specifically not an outright rejection of running them at all.
I seem to remember the network claiming at the time that the Super Bowl was special, a time when americans come together so they didn't want to run controversial ads or some bullshit. Maybe someone else can correct me. Consequently, has MoveOn tried to run ads on CBS since the Super Bowl and been rejected?
Oh Christ, what twisted, idiocy these anonymous trolls spread. "No! 2+2 does not either equal 4 because it all depends on whether or not four is a concept on which we can agree within...." Christ. These clowns are so desperate it's starting to make -me- sick to my stomach.
Arthur! Get 'im!
What flavor of kool-aid has Rather been drinking? Caught a few seconds of Larry King with him guesting, replete with our courageous Commander AWOL's heroic speech clips, of course. (Wasn't Larry the MC at Dumbya's inaugural, btw?)
Anyway, Rather say's this could well be a multigenerational war. Gee, it'a already cost about $150 billion in a little over one YEAR, Dan. How many generations can we stand it?
-Christ, instrumental in helping bring down Nixon, Now the old fart's sucking up to Dumbya with the best of em.
Kate:
The comment on Richard Cranium's blog has a cut and paste of a May 18 comment (from elsewhere) that is attributed to a "Paul Johnson". Apparently there is reason to suspect it might be the same Paul Johnson who was killed today - I couldn't follow the reasoning, though.
The Mr. Johnson in the posting apparently feels torture is okay. Irony potential = high.
Anon, are you sure that Kerry wasn't referring to just black men in his speech, or that he intended to (or was supposed to if a speech writer screwed up). Attributing that to a lie is a strong accusation completely unsupported by the context you refer to. On top of which, having more black men in jail than in college is still quite a stark problem considering there are over 10 million white males in college but less than a million in jail. A 10:1 ratio vs. a 1:1 ratio is a really depressing statistic.
CBS was right in not running MoveOn's ad.
But to run these idiots' ad is lame.
And... what's the word I'm looking for? Oh yeah, hypocritical.
From Common Cause.
The New Yorker's expose, “Big Bird Flies Right,” documents several disturbing trends:
The decision by CPB to fund two programs -- one hosted by Tucker Carlson, who speaks for conservatives on CNN's “Crossfire,” and one moderated by Paul Gigot, editorial page editor of The Wall Street Journal -- at the same time that “NOW with Bill Moyers,” which receives no CPB funds, is cut from an hour to 30 minutes;
Goddamn fucking fuckheaded FUCKERS!
I absolutely agree about MoveOn's endorsement of the horrible movie. They might as well have endorsed Independence Day. However,
"It only feeds into the worst conservative perceptions of liberals"
Let me be loud and clear on this. FUCK how conservatives perceive liberals. They view me as scum, I view them as scum. Suits me fine.
Yeah, I'm sure, asshole. HE LIED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous - got a link so I can see Kerry's speech for myself? It's not that I don't trust you...oh wait, it is.
Worst. Media. Ever.
The only thing AQ and Iraq have in common are the same things bigots claim all their hated targets have in common. They are hated by bigots. Next time some clown tries and tells you about AQ and Iraq connections, you know you are dealing with a bigot.
Anonymous - please provide a link to a transcript of the speech.
No, I don't mean "analysis" in the Washington Times, a post on Instapundit, or an article on NewsMax or FrontPageMag. I mean real reporting in a real forum.
Failing that, STFU. Cheers.
Stunt Woman is right on.. MoveOn's promotion of "Day After Tomorrow" was just silly. What were they thinking? What's next, their press release extolling "The Tomato That Ate Chicago" as a timely warning against genetically modified food?
I was in Arkansas when Clinton left office. To celebrate Bush's inauguration, some dildo took out a full-page ad in one of the larger state-wide newspapers saying, "Congratulations President Bush - SO LONG, BUBBA"
I can't help but laugh all these years later to still see these impotent little spectacles of limp-dicked hatred that will not change any opinions. I almost think CBS is doing Clinton a favor by reminding viewers what a deranged bunch of obsessive shitheads will do to destroy a man's reputation.
All the same, CBS sucks for screwing over Peta and MoveOn and that shitty Reagan movie too.
FUCK how conservatives perceive liberals.
Thank You BlakNo1! That IS the problem. Buying into anything these fuckwits say.
OT: Bill Moyers' show NOW is reporting on how the DoJ is hiding the true levels of Iraq casualties. He reports 11,000 casualties evacuated.
Thank you, gary. And thanks to everyone providing phone numbers.
The news about Bill Moyers' show is distressing. I heard a tape of him giving a speech at a public event, played on Air America, about how democracy is dying, and I can tell you he really had fire in the belly. He preached it like a righteous preacher. He must be royally pissed.
When bob prefaces his post with his shame over the 127 Iraqis, many innocent of anything, that we have tortured to death, I will preface each of my posts with my outrage that there are terrorists out there that behead Americans.
I'll do the same when he mentions the 20,000+ innocent Iraqis we've blown to bits with cluster bombs, burnt alive in missile strikes, riddled with machine-guns, incinerated with "shock and awe," etc., etc.
And why is beheading more sinister than torturing someone for months and then killing him? That's the American way.
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Hey Bob! Here's a fucking outrage for you! We just had to spend AN ENTIRE FUCKING WEEK listening to the worthless rightwing whores in the media slobber and moan about how Reagan was the 20th Century''s greatest President while at the same time being treated to the sorry spectacle of wingnuts everywhere jacking off at pictures of their beloved St. Ronnie. Fuck you! It's our turn now! Clinton's book is out and he's gonna be making the rounds of all the talk shows! Yep, it's gonna be all Bill, all the time! Who knows? If Hannity asks him nicely, maybe the Big Dog will give him a few tips on how to score! And Michael Moore's new flick opens next week! Tough week to be a wingnut, huh? As for that guy, Johnson, who was beheaded today - well, that's what happens when you disregard explicit warnings to get the fuck out. Hey Bob! One last thing. Where's your outrage at our so called "allies" - the Saudis?? You know, the guys who actually fund Al Queida but get a pass because they're tight with our ruling family - the Bushes?? No outrage over that, huh??
It's moot. It seems to imagine one has any bearing on the other: there is no brutality that justifies brutality-as-policy.
Damn, just preach it, Brother Gene!
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Well, I wrote them a letter, for all the good it'll do. I wanted to post it here, but my cut-and-paste function screwed up.
The main thing I said was that there's a point at which a human being can no longer bear to be treated with undisguised contempt, and that CBS had pushed me way past mine. I also said I was tuning them out for life. (I didn't tell them, of course, that I don't have broadcast TV and hadn't watched even two minutes' worth of their programming in the last ten years).
OT: Bill Moyers' show NOW is reporting on how the DoJ is hiding the true levels of Iraq casualties. He reports 11,000 casualties evacuated.
Yeah, I saw that report. IIRC, NOW said something about how only combat wounds are tallied. The show's figure is less than what David Hackworth estimates (~20k), but no matter: seems clear that DoD is underreporting.
Testify!!
NEWS FLASH
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) - A Saudi al-Qaida cell beheaded U.S. engineer Paul Johnson and in a swift retaliation, officials said security forces tracked down and killed the leader of the terrorist group in a shoot-out Friday.
Johnson, who was kidnapped last weekend, was the latest victim of an escalating campaign of violence against westerners that aims to drive foreign workers from the kingdom and undermine the Saudi royal family, hated by al-Qaida.
The death hours later of Abdulaziz al-Moqrin, the reputed leader of al-Qaida in the kingdom, was a coup for the Saudi government, which has been under intense pressure to halt a wave of attacks against westerners. In a video posted on the Internet on Tuesday, a hooded al-Moqrin held an assault rifle and shouted demands for the release of al-Qaida prisoners as a blindfolded Johnson sat in a chair.
Saudi forces killed four other al-Qaida militants in Friday's shootout, which came after a witness reported the licence plate number of a car from which the militants dumped Johnson's body and police then stopped the vehicle at a gas station,
Question:
Will CBS sell MoveOn.org ad time now, ads that might slam or counter the Citizens' United ads?
Might be a cool way to call their bluff.
CBS is doing better than NPR lately, in my opinion. Had to endure today hearing report of how the stock market paused when an American was beheaded but then proceeded merrily along. Interviewee opined the war will be back in favor with Murkans who see need for a stand against Terra.
"there is no brutality that justifies brutality-as-policy."
saying that we should temper our outrage as a country with a little bit of shame at the atrocities we've committed. no comparison intended.
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Where's your outrage at our so called "allies" - the Saudis?? You know, the guys who actually fund Al Queida but get a pass because they're tight with our ruling family - the Bushes?? No outrage over that, huh??
Don't forget about our bestest buddies in the world...the Pakistanis! Where would OBL be without the financial and logistical support of Pakistan and the ISI?
Tucker Carlson says (in the mediamatters.com article) that women need vigorous spanking. I think it's little Tucker himself that's pining for some spanking, but he can't find anybody who'd do it for him.
Give it a rest, stunt woman. We've heard you. Move On, as it were. Grow up and start thinking about your tour of lovely Iraq -- the draft notice is sure to arrive in your mailbox by Christmas. You'll wish to God you could watch some dumb movie at the mall instead.
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Here's the message I just sent to CBS:
I am frankly outraged that CBS, which refused to run MoveOn's ad during the Super Bowl is planning to run the inflammatory and misleading ad by advocacy group "Citizens United" run by the loathsome and discredited liar David Bossie, whose libelous anti-Clinton tactics have been condemned even by George H.W. Bush and Newt Gingrich*.
I hope you will reconsider this decision in light of Martin Franks's earlier statement that "The network simply does not accept any advocacy advertising of any kind."
Sincerely,
[my name]
Philadelphia
* The Washington Post, 7/15/92
I think it's little Tucker himself that's pining for some spanking, but he can't find anybody who'd do it for him.
I'll do it if I can use a nail gun.
NTodd -
I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to note that anonatroll hasn't posted any facts to back up its last bloviation despite multiple challenges.
Well, not really.
CBS: Yes to anti-Clinton, No to Move On.
Let CBS and 60 Minutes know what you think about their ad practice here:
http://www.cbs.com/info/
user_ser...obal_form.shtml
Let me have Tucker for a little while, and he'll know what "Santorum" really means! I know just what I want to do with that little bow tie of his....
I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to note that anonatroll hasn't posted any facts to back up its last bloviation despite multiple challenges.
Yeah, that's totally out of character. Well, it is a Friday night and maybe anonatroll has plans (e.g., playing bridge with Mom and her friends).
Goddess bless you, Philalethes and S in Mich. A nailgun! I actually laughed for the first time today. Thanks.
I shit bigger corporations than CBS.
Great cut and paste job, Veritas! Now what exactly is your point?? So the Saudis are just now making a few token gestures to make Americans happy. Big fucking deal!! How quickly guys like you and Bob forget that the majority of hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals. Yeah, my guess is that the Saudis thought that, as long as they kept the money and support flowing, they'd be able to keep their bros in Al Queida under control (It's somewhat similar, I believe, to what the US expected when they were financing what would later become the Taliban when they were our proxies fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan). Bottom line: the Saudis had no problem with funding Al Queida as long as they continued to focus their actions against the West and Israel. Now, the media is telling us how the Saudis are gung-ho participants in the "War on Terrah" all because one American gets wasted? What total bullshit!
If all the media-conglomerates care about is money, then why haven't they launched an anti-Faux-News channel? Seriously! I mean, there has to be millions of Americans that would love an intentionally left-biased news network, to show the right that they are wrong in criticizing the mainstream media as liberal by simply attacking the SCLM for promoting the "Noise Machine?" I know "Air-America," is a start, but damn we need a cable channel!
Anyone have a few hundred million bucks to spare?
let em run bossie's ads as long as they pay for them. the people who watch 60 minutes aren't going to be taken in by rethug propaganda. let them run them again and again and spend millions of dollars, that's fine with me. by the time november rolls around the gop treasury will be empty.
Samlex,
I wish I could share in your enthusiasm...
Steve
:-/
OT: Bui I am very disturbed ( and pissed off ) by today's events.
Why did Putin reveal Russia Gave Bush Iraq Intelligence
For Putin it's all about Geopolitics and Oil and regaining stature - not superpower - but the next rung down.
The Oil wars
Bushco with US Oil cronies forms 'an agreeement' with Putin and Russian Oil. This could make OPEC more compliant ( if you get my drift
).
Oil still the major US strategic consideration in Central Asia
Bushco backs off on Central Asia aspirations
In the Middle East Putin helps reign in Iran ( many issues here ) and in kind he gets to participate in the Iraq largess.
Who takes biggest geopolitical hit - China ( they really need Oil for their growing economy ) but also France and Germany
Global Eye - Blood of Victory Buscho wins
Putin saw a golden opportunity and took it.
And look at this interesting press release that just came out that corroborates above.
href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&
cid=516&ncid=721&e=10&u=/ap/20040618/ap_on_re_as/
central_asia_security">Ex-
Soviet Republics to Boost Cooperation
For McCain I think it's a deal to have him as Republican Pres. candidate in 2008
I hope more Americans see through this disgusting ruse by Nov 2 and elect Kerry.
gene214 - uh, why are you ragging on veritas? He was posting some news, that's it. Lighten up.
I watched my homie, Michael Moore, on NBC today. After quite a bit of fairly hostile grilling, he turned to the interviewer and said (and I paraphrase here,not having an eidetic memory) "You've been grilling me for twenty minutes now. If you or the rest of the media had spent as much effort questioning the White House before the war, maybe we wouldn't be there now."
Go, Michael!
OT,
Bowtie boys new show is on PBS now.(CST)
Guests: Ken Starr and Clintons Penis.
No shit.
Totally OT . . . but did anybody just see that fucking John Stossel on 20/20 interviewing the guy who made that McDonald's movie?
Stossel, ever the friend of big business, called the movie "stacked" and went so far as to "document" two people who ate at McDonald's three times a day for a month and LOST weight!
What a fucking asshole. I guess the next book will be "The John Stossel McDonald's Diet."
If you or the rest of the media had spent as much effort questioning the White House before the war, maybe we wouldn't be there now."
Ha!
I will now down a shot of Laphroig (official drink of fancy-pants elitists) in approbation of Mr. Moore.
Good point, Samlex! The knuckledraggers who are the hardcore Clinton bashers wouldn't be caught dead watching "60 Minutes", so it really doesn't matter if the ads run. I think the honchos at CBS know this, but they'll run the ads because, quite frankly, they're not about to turn down a buck. Hell, they'll probably run the ads after Clinton's segment airs, so nobody's probably going to see it anyway. I say, fuck it! It's Bossie's money, if he wants to spend it running ads which nobody gives a shit about, I say "Knock yourself out!!"
"I watched my homie, Michael Moore, on NBC today. After quite a bit of fairly hostile grilling, he turned to the interviewer and said (and I paraphrase here,not having an eidetic memory) "You've been grilling me for twenty minutes now. If you or the rest of the media had spent as much effort questioning the White House before the war, maybe we wouldn't be there now."
I watched that, too--Matt Lauer in rare form. Lauer had obviously gotten the talking points fax from the Right Wing Central and tried to pin Moore on "lies" in the movie. I thought Moore toasted him. That moment Michigander described was pretty stunning. I'm surprised Jack Welch didn't have Lauer edit it out.
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I just wrote to CBS to complain about the unfair way it applies its policy regarding airing advocacy ads.
Maybe someone else thought of this waaay up above, but can we get some money together and form a committee called the Citizens against Reagan? Then can we run an ad citing all the crimincal indictments under his watch, and have a kill meter on how many people were killed by his direct order?
Or can we now run the "Reagan movie" that they stopped airing earlier?
Please, Please?
I agree with the people who say that as offensive as it may be, airing the ad won't matter. The people who hate Clinton already hate Clinton. Anyone who hasn't chosen sides after eleven solid years of Clinton-bashing isn't going to be swayed by a 60-second commercial.
When Clinton kicks off, I supppose they'll be obliged to run tons of negative ads about him during the week-long, 24-hour funeral coverage.
gene214 - uh, why are you ragging on veritas? He was posting some news, that's it. Lighten up.
NTodd, I wasn't ragging on the guy. He posts this news story without any sort of comment as to why he thinks it's relevant, and I merely posted a response to it. That's all. I wasn't beating up on him (or her, if that's the case). I'm sorry if my response came off a little strong, OK? Jesus!
Click on my homepage link to find the March 2003 press briefing by Shrub that Veritas refers to above.
THE PRESIDENT: I expect them to be treated, the POWs I expect to be treated humanely. And -- just like we're treating the prisoners that we have captured humanely. If not, the people who mistreat the prisoners will be treated as war criminals.
Oops. Veritas refered to it in other thread.
Matt Lauer is a Dick
"Matt Lauer is a Dick
Tom | Email | Homepage | 06.18.04 - 11:39 pm | #"
A most sensible post, if I ever saw one (seriously).
Stunt Woman:
It's just a movie. Maybe someone there really did like it. So fucking what? Maybe they thought it might open some people's eyes to a problem that they hadn't considered before. Yes, it would be nice if the science were good, but guess what? It's HOLLYWOOD. They're always contorting the truth if it will improve the story. Anyone over 14 knows that. Not the point, anyway.
Why does anyone expect an organization to do exactly what that individual wants, 100% of the time? What kind of selfish, immature folly is that?
I don't like everything the Democratic Party does, and I support it.
I don't like everything the ACLU does, and I support it, too.
I don't agree with everything NOW stands for, and I support them as well.
Most people have the wisdom and maturity to realize that no group will have 100% agreement on everything. If that were the case, Christianity would still be Roman Catholic, all the way, rather than 50,000 variations of it (or however many there are).
Jeez Louise, grow up and lighten up.
I just sent some more money to MoveOn. Christ, these ideological purists are enough to make me want to bust a gut. Wait. Maybe that's why I have this herniated abdominal wall now... Ow. I'm going back to bed.
NTodd, I wasn't ragging on the guy.
Sounded like it to me:
Big fucking deal!! How quickly guys like you and Bob forget ...
And if you read the rest of what was posted, veritas is clearly not on par with bob. If you don't get the point, you might consider asking nicely--it's not like this was a troll...
Ok, NTodd, I see your point. I shouldn't have lumped Veritas in with that poster, Bob, who clearly was a troll. I stand corrected.
Sent my comments headed to 60 minutes, expressing my regret that I could no longer watch their program as whatever journalistic ethics they might have left were clearly overwhelmed by the bias of the top brass.
It's not like there's anything else watchable on CBS anyway.
Micheal Moore, presidential smack down artist, is on Letterman tonight.
Standing ovation anyone?
and went so far as to "document" two people who ate at McDonald's three times a day for a month and LOST weight!
The heroin addicts spare change for a bag of fries then puke it up on the street diet?
Catholic Bishops allowed to excommunicate pro-choice politicians.
The war is coming closer, we have very few chances to avert it.
Compare Dave's guest to Leno's-Dennis Miller.
CBS is just going the "Fahrenheit 9/11 route." Controversy sells.
Stirling: Here's my reply to that:
The nation's Roman Catholic bishops approved a statement on Friday on "Catholics in Political Life" that brands politicians who support abortion rights as "cooperating in evil" and leaves the door open for bishops to deny communion to such lawmakers.
The bishops, meeting outside Denver, stopped short of saying that those lawmakers should be forbidden to take communion. But they reminded all Catholics that they were not worthy to receive communion until they had examined their consciences, including their "fidelity to the moral teaching of the church in personal and public life."
Just have to keep on saying it: What about the death penalty? How is that not "cooperating in evil"?
Ok, NTodd, I see your point. I shouldn't have lumped Veritas in with that poster, Bob, who clearly was a troll. I stand corrected.
I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. No worries.
The commission is getting all uppity:
The leaders of the Sept. 11 commission called on Vice President Dick Cheney on Friday to turn over any intelligence reports that would support the White House's insistence that there was a close relationship between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
The commission's chairman, Thomas H. Kean, and its vice chairman, Lee H. Hamilton, said they wanted to see any additional information in the administration's possession after Mr. Cheney, in a television interview on Thursday, was asked whether he knew things about Iraq's links to terrorists that the commission did not know.
"Probably," Mr. Cheney replied.
What can I say, except, "Well, let's have it. Dick."
What can I say, except, "Well, let's have it. Dick."
WOW. I'm speechless. Thanks for sharing.
rorschach -
cheney won't give it up, though (aside from the fact that he DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY) he'll just swat them away like flies or use that old national security thing. I hope they keep at him, though, and nail him on prime time.
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Kean knows how to play poker -- raising against an onvious bluff.
I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. No worries.
See any troll now Tomas de Torquemada?
About the Saudis claim that they killed the highest level al Qaeda guy in Saudi Arabia: we better have a heavy dose of skepticism on this.
I don't remember all the details but previously there was some horrible crime against Americans in Saudi Arabia and the Saudi govt captured and executed "the perpetrators" without letting our FBI interview them. It is entirely possible that they just picked some guys to kill so they could say they settled the matter and go on their way.
Lee H. Hamilton, said they wanted to see any additional information in the administration's possession after Mr. Cheney, in a television interview on Thursday, was asked whether he knew things about Iraq's links to terrorists that the commission did not know.
I've heard some speculation Kerry might chose Hamilton as his VP. It's a good geographic fit.
And it would give him a chance to nail Cheney in the VP debates.
onvious = obvious
Must proofread before posting.
Yes, Jenny, he will continue the weasel, but he won't cite national security. He'll keep spouting garbage, in lieu of clamming up.
Exempli gratis:
Mr. Cheney has also continued to cite a disputed report that Mohamed Atta, a ringleader of the hijacking plot, met in April, 2001, in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, raising the possibility of a direct tie between Iraq and the Sept. 11 attacks, a tie that the commission's staff report found no evidence to support.
Dennis Miller Lite. He's clearly toned it down.
isn't this special?
from MSNBC---
"Other senior Saudi officials reaffirmed the claim that supporters of Israel — Zionists — were behind the terror attacks.
Prince Nayef, the Saudi Interior Minister said, “Al-Qaida is backed by Israel and Zionism.”"
These guys are soooo fucked up.
"Other senior Saudi officials reaffirmed the claim that supporters of Israel — Zionists — were behind the terror attacks.
Atta, Saddam, Netanyahu, that must have been quite a meeting in Prague.
Anybody know if Zelig showed up?
Atta, Saddam, Netanyahu, that must have been quite a meeting in Prague.
Anybody know if Zelig showed up?
Point being that the USA is a secular Democracy with a free press and yet a "senior American official" (Dick Cheney) is spreading rumors that Saddam was behind 9/11 and Al Qaeda.
How precisely is this different from what the Saudis are doing?
We Americans are sure fucked up.
CBS Viacom was insider trading this week, Bush will selectively prosecute with asscrotch his AG.
Putin shows us why COndiliar dropped off the cuking radar for a visit to Russia. Doing papa Cheney's dirty work as usual.
And asscrotch sending out more press clippings, he has yet to win a case vs. terror and has spent a shitload of money.
Between the Putin bribes and the asscrotch spening lagresse there will be an implanted WMD aside fromt he ones being turned back at Kuwait's border three times including once by the Red Cross.
Perhaps trying to ship precursors labeled as Red Cross gear pushed the Abu Gharib point after the reuters journalist was assassinated within view of the grounds there...
What a cesspool they have drug the flag through...
I'm with LJ on The Day After Tomorrow. It's not a freakin' documentary, it's a science fiction popcorn movie! But it's still a good touchstone for conversation about global warming, and therefore, I think MoveOn's support was a good idea: Make sure people go out and see it, and if they like it, spread the word.
Who knows, maybe some people will come home from the theatre and look up global warming on that there inter-web thingie and find out that, while the effects aren't as extreme as those portrayed in the movie, they aren't small potatoes, either.
Al Gore's statement about the movie made it clear that the movie was fictional, but no more so than the Bush administration's policy (or lack thereof) on global warming.
Stunt Woman's need to introduce this off-topic, her utter obtuseness on this one MoveOn action with disregard to all the other wonderful things the organization does, leads me to the conclusion that she is either a troll or a damn fool.
leads me to the conclusion that she is either a troll or a damn fool.
No she's a stunt person posing as a film critic/political analyst
rorschach -
spouting garbage gets them a bump in the polls all the time. and the idiots who approve of this admistration are the receptacles. garbage in, garbage collected.
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Between the Putin bribes and the asscrotch spening lagresse there will be an implanted WMD aside fromt he ones being turned back at Kuwait's border three times including once by the Red Cross.
That's right. For the last couple of weeks we had those in the administration saying there were links between Saddam and Al Queda which created a lot of media reaction. Now suddenly, Putin, who was paid, comes out and says there was. That will create a lot of media attention, then next will have WMDs rolled out. Too close to the election for them to be found to be planted or anything. Meanwhile, Americans will take the next choreographed step by believing if there was a link and we now have WMDs, Saddam would have given them to Al Queda. Al Queda hasn't used them, even before Saddam was toppled. When they're used soon, the administration will say that, see, Saddam gave them to the terrorists.
then next will have WMDs rolled out. -
Incognito - It may have already been discussed here but I read a few days ago that U.S. trucks carrying radioactive material were turned away by (I think it was) Pakistan. There was a big tussle over it and the U.S. was furious. This seemed like huge news, but I never heard much more about it.
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For the first time since all this began, I'm now beginning to think that the terrorist may indeed win.
Hey, y'all: Contacting the CBS News desk or the 60 Minutes office is counterproductive. Those people have no control over ad placement, so you're just wasting your time and annoying the poor receptionists. If you've ever answered phones for a living, you know how hellish it can be, and there's no use adding to the agony.
Better to stick to the contacts listed in the Media Matters piece.
The Wmd's will be planted after the transfer of sovereignty. They will let the new Iraqi government get their hands dirty on this.
Sorry, hit and run OT:
Dallas Morning News is going to run a piece on Sunday, the first a series, about how the preist child abuse scandal is global in scale, not isolated to the US. Sounds like a huge story...maybe that's why the Church is pulling this "excommicate pro-choice politicians" bullshit...nothing to see here, move along.
I'm outraged over the outrage at the lack of outrage over the outrage at the outrage over the lack of outrage at outrages in general. There are known outrages that we know about and unknown outrages that we think may exist and unknown outrages that we don't know about at all. Why, its outrageous.
"For the first time since all this began, I'm now beginning to think that the terrorist may indeed win."
See the Patriot Act, i.e. they already won.
We get attacted and our own leaders used it as an excuse to destry our Constitution and freedoms. Our real enemy is domestic.
Dallas Morning News is going to run a piece on Sunday, the first a series, about how the preist child abuse scandal is global in scale, not isolated to the US. Sounds like a huge story...maybe that's why the Church is pulling this "excommicate pro-choice politicians" bullshit...nothing to see here, move along.
Old Hat
Child molestation and other abuses have been going on for centuries in the RCC. It's been basically a perk for being a Catholic priest. They want to blame gays like it's recent. Like we have the gay rights movement and suddenly we've got sexual child abuse both male and female. The Church hierarchy knows its false but they don't care. It's all about blaming others and covering their asses and donations for centuries of the shit. Which should make every Catholic take a long hard look at their belief system.
Incognito:
For the first time since all this began, I'm now beginning to think that the terrorist may indeed win
They won't win, if we define a victory of them as what they'd ultimately want: the whole world living like they imagined that people lived during Muhammad's times. They didn't live like that even then, of course.
This will not happen, but I fear that terrible bloodshed will take place in attempts to stop it unless we get adults in control again. But yes, getting adults in control seems unlikely right now, and in some ways what's going on in the U.S. is very much a similar movement to the AQ guys. They have lots of values in common, the extremists from various religions.
I sometimes feel like a baby who wants to cry:"Mummy, I want my world back!"
Okay. Well, this is scary (though not surprising)
"Bush told he is playing into Bin Laden's hands - Al-Qaida may 'reward' American president with strike aimed at keeping him in office, senior intelligence man says"
Julian Borger in Washington
Saturday June 19, 2004
The Guardian
Since I don't know how to tiny url I'll just past a few paragraphs:
A senior US intelligence official is about to publish a bitter condemnation of America's counter-terrorism policy, arguing that the west is losing the war against al-Qaida and that an "avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked" war in Iraq has played into Osama bin Laden's hands.
Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror, due out next month, dismisses two of the most frequent boasts of the Bush administration: that Bin Laden and al-Qaida are "on the run" and that the Iraq invasion has made America safer.
and
Imperial Hubris is the latest in a relentless stream of books attacking the administration in election year. Most of the earlier ones, however, were written by embittered former officials. This one is unprecedented in being the work of a serving official with nearly 20 years experience in counter-terrorism who is still part of the intelligence establishment.
The fact that he has been allowed to publish, albeit anonymously and without naming which agency he works for, may reflect the increasing frustration of senior intelligence officials at the course the administration has taken.
and
Anonymous does not try to veil his contempt for the Bush White House and its policies. His book describes the Iraq invasion as "an avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked war against a foe who posed no immediate threat but whose defeat did offer economic advantage.
In his view, the US missed its biggest chance to capture the al-Qaida leader at Tora Bora in the Afghan mountains in December 2001. Instead of sending large numbers of his own troops, General Tommy Franks relied on surrogates who proved to be unreliable.
"For my money, the game was over at Tora Bora," Anonymous said.
"What I think we're seeing in al-Qaida is a change of generation," he said."The people who are leading al-Qaida now seem a lot more professional group.
and
Anonymous, who published an analysis of al-Qaida last year called Through Our Enemies' Eyes, thinks it quite possible that another devastating strike against the US could come during the election campaign, not with the intention of changing the administration, as was the case in the Madrid bombing, but of keeping the same one in place.
"I'm very sure they can't have a better administration for them than the one they have now," he said.
"One way to keep the Republicans in power is to mount an attack that would rally the country around the president."
The whole link is on the Drudge Report.
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Since I don't know how to tiny url
Just bookmark tinyurl.com. Paste the normal url into their window, click the button, and it'll give you a Haloscan-friendly version.
Philalethes -
Got it. thanks. next time.
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They have lots of values in common, the extremists from various religions.
What they have in common is sociopathy, which finds an outlet in extremist religion (or extremist anything, really). It's not usually the religion that warps the personality; it's the personality that (long ago) warped the religion, and made it like unto a beacon for people without consciences or good will. As I'm sure a goddess like your sweet self knows.
The terrorists want America to collapse into chaos. They wont make us all muslims, but they can break us. They're going to hit us again and the administration will shut down the Internet. Since most activism is done online, we'll be basically in the dark. As far as Putin goes, why would he care if America went down?
Well, Putin probably wants America to go down. In fact he does want that, but he doesn't have the power to achieve such an outcome. He is a KGB boy, after all, and they don't change.
But yes, you are right about the chaos theory as it applies to America, and Bush is playing along very nicely. Though I don't think that he lets chaos take over; rather he will institute a very authoritarian society.
As far as the net is concerned, I keep in practise with my quill pen, too. Be prepared!
I feel badly that I put that up tonight. I'm going to have nightmares, big time, and I'm sorry. It's so terrible, horrible and I think it's all true. This country just will not wake up to the realities that are confronting us. This administration will not admit mistakes and step aside so that we can save ourselves. I just feel like going into total retreat -- hanging out in my garden -- and savoring every day we have left on this earth. I'm not bringing bad news to this blog like that again.
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I just feel like going into total retreat -- hanging out in my garden -- and savoring every day we have left on this earth. I'm not bringing bad news to this blog like that again.
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Jenny from the Blog
It's not something you're bringing to the blog. It's what we already know.
Just like our police forces turning into para-military goon squads with high-tech crowd control mass stun-gunning. They're not preparing for that for rioting by terrorists. They're preparing that against us. The Patriot Act wasn't to nab terrorists. It's to remove us when the time comes including the dumbass wing nuts.
"Fair enough, veritas. But Home Depot CEO Robert Nardelli has gone so far as to hold and host at least one major fundraiser for the boy king. I don't think HD's competitors have gone that far, so no $$ from me."
Smell the coffee. Home Despot is now owned by GE, far and away the biggest chunk of Big Daddy Warbucks, the biggest defense contractor, on the planet.
I'm not real fond of beheadings either, but mercenaries are, seems to me, sorta the karmically-challenged among us. Darwin might say they failed to adapt, hence their fate.
Are we not protesting against those who would profit from an illegitimate conflict, in an effort to hopefully EDUCATE THEM before they risk losing their minds/lives?
"Stupid is as stupid does."
My solution to CBS' apparent bias is to pretty much tune out the mainstream media entirely. Vote with my feet...
Dear Jennie,
Please take heart, you have not made any mistakes, none of us have. The really great thing about all this chaos is that it is in fact empowering all of us to look squarely at ourselves, something we've not had to do before. We each have an impact, globally.
We are challenged to think for ourselves, and to never again retreat from it. Unless we all do that, democracy is doomed to fail. But because of the inherent goodness of humanity, democracy can now flourish throughout the world, and it will.
The ordinary people are like weeds; you cannot control them, and you cannot deceive them into surrendering their beautiful humanity and love of Peace, and of each other.
We are family, and we pity those who still think Hard Power is wise governance.
Does anyone else find it kinda weird that within hours of that horrific murder, the Saudi Arabian police located and killed the prime suspect?
I saw a news report about that guy earlier today. It was American media, so it could be entirely fabricated, but they said that this guy they killed was released from a Saudi prison after 9/11, for "good behavior."
And then they lost him for the better part of 3 years, managing to find him on the very day he killed an American.
Seems really odd to me.
I think Move on should run an ad during after Bush acceptance speech to remind viewers how Bush made us vulnerable to terrorists -- and see if they reject it
I find it a bit heartless to have a "tough shit" attitude about ANYONE being murdered, let along beheaded.
I find that offensive.
But, I do agree that if you agree to serve the vast killing machine that is the U.S. military, and you agree to go into a hot zone, you know that shit happens.
Yet I can't imagine that simply being a civilian contractor and engineer working in Saudi Arabia would mean that you should expect to get kidnapped and beheaded.
The guy didn't have it coming, no matter what one thinks. It's horrible and the people that did it should be dipped in honey and fed to ants.
They're sub-human animals.
But... I wish people would think twice before setting out in service of the world-wide killing service, aka the U.S. (or any) military.
I am so sick of stupid trolls implying that you can not be heart sick about the beheadings AND be equally outraged by the murder and torture of Iraqis in various prisons. WTF kind of country have we become if we're a little better than Saddam?
what i sent:
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I am writing to complain about CBS's recent decision to air a commercial paid for by "Citizens United" (led by David N. Bossie), to air during '60 Minutes' while former president Clinton is being interviewed.
In refusing to run ads by MoveOn.org and PETA earlier this year, CBS explained that it does not run "advocacy advertising of any kind" or ads that deal with "controversial issues of pubic importance."
Bossie's blatantly anti-Clinton ad sure seems to be advocacy advertising, and will be controversial.
Please explain your glaring double standard, especially in light of your other recent decisions to air Bush administration advocacy ads re/ Medicare and Drug policy.
Please be aware that there are many, many people in this nation who are not "afraid" to hear views from "both sides of the aisle", and are also quite offended when media corporations decide to avoid controversy by censorship of content.
Yank the Bossie ad, or show it along with moveON's ad.
Thank you.
I wonder if MoveOn might not now have the basis for legal action against CBS? Seems clear to me that MoveOn could make a reasonable claim that CBS is responsible for damages resulting from the potential financial loss that comes with restricting their access to the airwaves given that the reason cited by CBS at the time has now been blown out of the water...by CBS.
I found the actual Michael Moore quote on the MSNBC website. It was better than I remembered. I was surprised it was on there, as they seem to have edited a lot out of the interview. After a republican talking points grilling by Matt Lauer, during which Moore had expressed his trust of the major media in this country, whcih tend to hide stories rather than break them, he turned to Lauer and said:
"You know I've been sitting here for like the last 20 minutes thinking, man, if he would have only asked Bush administration officials these kind of hard questions in the weeks leading up to the war, and then when the war started, maybe there wouldn't be a war. Because the American people, once given the truth, you know the old saying from Abraham Lincoln, give the people the facts and the Republic will be safe."
Re: MoveOn.Org and The Day After Tomorrow--if I recall correctly, they proposed having groups be present at the theaters showing the movie, esp'ly opening day, to hand out flyers explaining the actual science behind the hyped and overdramatized situations in the movie.
It seemed like a good idea to me, but I couldn't take part.
Use any chance we can to educate people to what greenhouse gases are doing to our planet. The possible weakening of the Great Conveyer (correct term? cauuse of the Gulf Stream, etc.) in the Atlantic could result in a fairly rapid (years, not days) and drastic change in the Northern Hemisphere's climate.
They provided the file for printing out. No great depletion of MoveOn funds, it seems to me.
Correct me if I'm wrong about this.
FWIW:
I just read on MediaMatters.org that CBS will be running an Anti-Clinton advertisment from an organization called Citizens United.
I was under the impression that it was CBS policy not to air advocacy ads that deal with controversial issues of public importance.
It was this rationale that was used to reject advertisments from organizations such as PETA and MoveOn.org.
I would hope that CBS would be fair and honest in its dealings with orgainzations such as Citizens United, and apply its policies equally across the board.
Or, has CBS changed its policy now to allow such advertisements?
If it is the latter, is CBS going to accept advertisments from PETA, MoveOn.org, and other like organizations? Or is your policy change only for Conservative organizations?
I hope to hear back from you with a clarification of your policy, so that I can be aware of it.
Regards,
David
by SWR:.......was zelig there?
BRILLIANT! made my day.
Shocke -- Thanks for the MSNBC link to Chehey comment. These guys know they're up agains some serious charges of illegality if they can't make their claims jibe with the terms of the war powers resolution. They were playing fast and loose with the language before. Now the legalese is creeping in . . .
I had heard about MoveOn's efforts with the Day After Tomorrow, and I thought "What a totally stupid idea. I thought these guys were pros. Why would they bother attaching themselves to something so pigheadedly schlocky?" But a friend who is more optimistic and more motivated asked if I'd be interested in the flyering, and where I planned to see the movie. So I mentioned my idea of getting a small group together to go see it at the Drive-In, as a double feature with Van Helsing. I was convinced people would refuse the flyers, but I printed up about a hundred anyway. Between showings, they flew out of my hands. The Drive-In audience really loved the idea of getting something about the movie. With the few I had left after Van Helsing, which made the Day After look like a pretty good film, btw, I handed them to people as they drove away from the theatre. This required them to stop ,roll down a window, and lean out - far more effort than these pitiful flyers deserved. But man, the thanks I got was really astonishing. I think MoveOn is trying an outreach strategy - they have s very solid base of well-informed people with a bit of cash to spare, but they want to learn how to motivate the average American. I think the Day After campaign was practice. I think th Fahrenheit 9/11 is Plan B - and I am more involved in MoveOn's efforts with this film than before.
So I'm glad to help with flyering. However, as harsh as Moore is on Bush, he'll be harsh towards whoever's in power. Remember, this is the guy who claims that Clinton was far worse for the average working man/woman than Bush I or Reagan. But if MoveOn has learned how to take people's interests and focus them into political action, F 9/11 will be a far better opportunity, and I'm glad to see thm making the effort. As Stuntwoman has said, there is not a lot to be gained for MoveOn from this, except attention. And at this point, I think that's really the goal.
And I wanted to see Day After, though I knew it would be bad. MoveOn provided the impetus and coalition necessary to make the long trek out to he Drive-In, which I am certain was the best place in the country to see it.
"What the Fuck?" is right. Good lord, what hypocrisy.
And what's with these organizations dedicated to bashing Clinton, even in his retirement. Man, did he get under their skin. (All the more reason to love him, I suppose). Could you imagine the antipathy if Clinton had been a truly progressive president? Boggles the mind.
Concerning ignoring the news about Johnson being beheaded by Al Q, Atrios says:
'US government actions - represent me. Actions by fuckheads around the world - not my responsibility.'
What utter bullshit. An American gets his head cut off and displayed on the net as a political statement by a group that also claims responsibility for 9/11. Reacting to this and what it reinforces about the enemy in this war we are in is not a concern of Atrios.
However, the three posts later is an illogical carping interpretation of the wording in a Post article.
Take a vacation pal, and get some priorities straightened out.
my complaint to CBS:
RE: Citizen's United ad to air during Clinton interview
"The network simply does not accept any advocacy advertising of any kind," says CBS Executive Vice President Martin Franks.
CBS rejects ads dealing with "controversial issues of public importance."
If those are the stated reasons for not running MoveOn orgs advertisements during the Superbowl, then CBS better stick to its STATED principles. Airing ads by the republican ADVOCACY group Citizens United would assuredly violate said principles. As well you should know, that is if CBS’s reporters still have any journalistic integrity left within them, this group is obviously a republican front since it is headed by none other than David Bossie- a former Republican congressional aide, a political hatchet man, who in the past was tasked with attacking Clinton. No doubt, he has been assigned with those same duties now. If CBS airs Citizens United's ads, it will only prove that CBS is, to put it politely, hypocritical. Further, airing Citizens United's ads would prove that CBS is a hack republican pr organization. Thus, CBS’s broadcasting PRIVILEGES, which the American public so graciously bestows upon it, should then be revoked, for it would be patently clear that CBS broadcasting does not serve the greater public's interests, but merely represents the interests of the few.
WTH, here's my complaint to CBS:
This is just unbelievable. How do you justify showing this commercial after refusing to show the one by MoveOn.org during the Super Bowl?
The Citizens United website states this ad will be about how “President Clinton gutted defense and intelligence spending and was MIA for eight years while terrorists continuously attacked the United States. Consequently, President Bush inherited a decayed intelligence apparatus and a terrorist network, already living among Americans, that was planning the largest attack ever on U.S. soil.”
This is flat not true, and those in your news department know it is not true, whether or not they are allowed to say it on air. But, since The Citizens United statement is not true, would it not be considered one of your "controversial issues of public importance?" Is that not one of the reasons given for refusing to the show the MoveOn.org ad?
Many would see this as an attempt to bolster the President’s approval ratings and contrary to your policy of not running "advocacy advertising," again a phrase used when refusing to air the MoveOn.org ad. Have you now decided to align yourselves with Fox News?
You might want to reconsider before alienating those who greatly admired this President. Polls show that, contrary to what you and your contemporaries played followed Reagan’s death, Clinton is the most popular President of the current era.
I am truly saddened that this is what has happened to CBS. It was the station of some of our most enduring and endearing figures – Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, Jessica Fletcher, Dick Van Dyke, Carol Burnett and the one who is today probably most saddened, Walter Cronkite. Edward R. Murrow must be spinning in his grave.
Don’t worry. I’ll be watching, along with many millions of others, who are tired of the blatant lies and partisanship. We will also be sure to let your advertisers know how we feel. And, we will be voting.
Sincerely,
Tracie _________
Middletown, Ohio
WTH, here's my complaint to CBS:
This is just unbelievable. How do you justify showing this commercial after refusing to show the one by MoveOn.org during the Super Bowl?
The Citizens United website states this ad will be about how “President Clinton gutted defense and intelligence spending and was MIA for eight years while terrorists continuously attacked the United States. Consequently, President Bush inherited a decayed intelligence apparatus and a terrorist network, already living among Americans, that was planning the largest attack ever on U.S. soil.”
This is flat not true, and those in your news department know it is not true, whether or not they are allowed to say it on air. But, since The Citizens United statement is not true, would it not be considered one of your "controversial issues of public importance?" Is that not one of the reasons given for refusing to the show the MoveOn.org ad?
Many would see this as an attempt to bolster the President’s approval ratings and contrary to your policy of not running "advocacy advertising," again a phrase used when refusing to air the MoveOn.org ad. Have you now decided to align yourselves with Fox News?
You might want to reconsider before alienating those who greatly admired this President. Polls show that, contrary to what you and your contemporaries played followed Reagan’s death, Clinton is the most popular President of the current era.
I am truly saddened that this is what has happened to CBS. It was the station of some of our most enduring and endearing figures – Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, Jessica Fletcher, Dick Van Dyke, Carol Burnett and the one who is today probably most saddened, Walter Cronkite. Edward R. Murrow must be spinning in his grave.
Don’t worry. I’ll be watching, along with many millions of others, who are tired of the blatant lies and partisanship. We will also be sure to let your advertisers know how we feel. And, we will be voting.
Sincerely,
Tracie _________
Middletown, Ohio
WTH, here's my complaint to CBS:
This is just unbelievable. How do you justify showing this commercial after refusing to show the one by MoveOn.org during the Super Bowl?
The Citizens United website states this ad will be about how “President Clinton gutted defense and intelligence spending and was MIA for eight years while terrorists continuously attacked the United States. Consequently, President Bush inherited a decayed intelligence apparatus and a terrorist network, already living among Americans, that was planning the largest attack ever on U.S. soil.”
This is flat not true, and those in your news department know it is not true, whether or not they are allowed to say it on air. But, since The Citizens United statement is not true, would it not be considered one of your "controversial issues of public importance?" Is that not one of the reasons given for refusing to the show the MoveOn.org ad?
Many would see this as an attempt to bolster the President’s approval ratings and contrary to your policy of not running "advocacy advertising," again a phrase used when refusing to air the MoveOn.org ad. Have you now decided to align yourselves with Fox News?
You might want to reconsider before alienating those who greatly admired this President. Polls show that, contrary to what you and your contemporaries played followed Reagan’s death, Clinton is the most popular President of the current era.
I am truly saddened that this is what has happened to CBS. It was the station of some of our most enduring and endearing figures – Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, Jessica Fletcher, Dick Van Dyke, Carol Burnett and the one who is today probably most saddened, Walter Cronkite. Edward R. Murrow must be spinning in his grave.
Don’t worry. I’ll be watching, along with many millions of others, who are tired of the blatant lies and partisanship. We will also be sure to let your advertisers know how we feel. And, we will be voting.
Sincerely,
Tracie _________
Middletown, Ohio
Sorry. Not sure how I managed to do that. Just by refreshing the page, I think. I really wasn't that worried about people seeing what I sent CBS.
On the other hand, it's not the worst thing in the world for the fanatical Clenis-hating hordes to remind everyone how loathsome they are. Last time they went off, the Republicans' numbers fell through the basement.
Just posted a complaint to the CBS website.
Basically said same thing as TracieLynn above.
Mentioned that "Republicans control whole government, military, voting-machine companies, and with corporate media that's all the ingredients for a one-party state. And you know how crooked those can get."
Ended with suggestion that Murrow's ghost should visit them of a midnight to excoriate theri consciences, since they KNOW he would not approve.
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