I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Good God Kerry, don't do it!
The humanity!
AAARRRRgggHhhhhhhhhh........
Most importantly, Gephardt is the single Democrat most associated with enabling President Bush's intervention in Iraq.
It will take 0.32 seconds for that picture of Gephardt standing by Bush over the IWR to flash across the Internet and it will take 0.33 for one-quarter of the Democratic Party to flee.
Bad, bad move.
David Brooks thinks that Kerry is a commie lover...
god lord...., Castro? what year do these idiots live in?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/1...ion/
19BROO.html
Pigs.
The blubber — a tax break affecting native Alaskan whalers — was a last-minute inclusion in a bill that began as a simple $5 billion fix for a tariff problem but was transformed into a $143 billion juggernaut of special-interest favors.
Agreeance.
And Freeance.
And Peeance.
bah.
gephardt was mislead...uh...no, he was lied to by a miserable failure.
problem solved, missouri won.
"Agreeance"? What, are you Fred Durst?
Yeah, booooyyyyyyeeeee!
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Toby Petzold fucks goats too.
Gephardt would be a disaster for the Kerry VP spot. The reasons are numerous but the linked article sums up most of them.
I was surprised and puzzled why Gephardt thought he could be president and even more surprised and puzzled that anyone of significance supported him. Lieberman had a more credible case for the nomination than Gephardt.
What is it, exactly, that keeps Gephardt in contention for anything?
What is it, exactly, that keeps Gephardt in contention for anything?
Playing a part in nuking Dean?
a freeance, peeance agreeance.
Agreeance? Whatever happened to "agreement?"
I'm in agreemanance.
"agreeance" is a union hall coinage.....see the now defunct ignatz from a couple of years ago.....
Why in the world would anyone care about the opinion of someone who has "grown a great deal more sympathetic to the cause of trade unionism over the past year"? How astonishingly enlightned. Fucking little twirp.
I'm pulling for Edwards. I didn't support him on the primaries and he's bit to the right of me, but he's the only one out there talking about poverty. I've always thought that it's at the root of most of our social problems. We need to deal with it.
Gephart would make a kick-ass labor secretary.
And Elliot Spitzer for AG.
It's Clark for me, but I won't lose sleep if he chooses Edwards.
And yeah, Gep for labor secretary.
And keep an eye on WA's Christine Gregoire for President in 2012.
And Tony Petzold is still fuckin' them old goats.
Just sayin'.
That's Toby Petzold, mind you.
Hurrah on Elliot Spitzer for AG...maybe he will grab Enron by the ballz. (Yes, I am a disgusted Californian who is tired of BushCo blocking prosecution of Enron for our "energy crisis."
As for Gephardt....how blah is that? Interesting is Gov Kathlen Sebelius (sp?) of Kansas...she will attract women and midwesterners.
Interesting is Gov Kathlen Sebelius (sp?) of Kansas...she will attract women and midwesterners.
She's a catch, alright. Don't know if she has the name recognition, though.
OT - A senior US intelligence official is about to publish a bitter condemnation of America's counter-terrorism policy, arguing that the west is losing the war against al-Qaida and that an "avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked" war in Iraq has played into Osama bin Laden's hands.
Unblike Clarke, this guy is still serving .Quite remarkable
unblike = unlike, sheesh
Hmm. A Kerry/Gephardt ticket. Interesting, but I am not entirely sure I see how inducing coma in millions of Americans will win the election...
Gephardt for Labor Secretary. Absolutely. Send that freak Chao packing and make her work for WalMart as a cashier.
New York Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/1...=print&
position
To sum up, 9/11 panel to Cheney: "Excuse me, since you are flatly contradicting us on al-Qaeda and Saddam, do you have any further information you'd like to share?"
Quote: "It sounds like the White House has evidence that we didn't have," Mr. Hamilton said in an phone interview. "I would like to see the evidence that Mr. Cheney is talking about."
Bravo.
anti-drew--
Here's a bit of a post of mine from earlier:
The leaders of the Sept. 11 commission called on Vice President Dick Cheney on Friday to turn over any intelligence reports that would support the White House's insistence that there was a close relationship between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
The commission's chairman, Thomas H. Kean, and its vice chairman, Lee H. Hamilton, said they wanted to see any additional information in the administration's possession after Mr. Cheney, in a television interview on Thursday, was asked whether he knew things about Iraq's links to terrorists that the commission did not know.
"Probably," Mr. Cheney replied.
What can I say, except, "Well, let's have it. Dick."
I like Gephardt - his Iraq vote was unfortuante, but so was Kerry's Iraq vote.
Edwards is my first choice, but all this hand wringing by the leftie blogosphere over Gephardt is fucking ridiculous.
He wins Missouri for Kerry in a close race and Gephardt would make a damn fine VP - he knows how shit gets done in the Congress and he probably would be happy to end his career as VP for 8 years (ie, no ambitiion to run for President again).
Gephardt is cool with me - Democrats who foam at the month at anyone other than Edwards as VP are not cool.
My gawd - Bush (or Cheney) chose Cheney as their VP candidate and they didn't do too badly.
As a lifelong Missourian, let's dispel one myth right now: Gephardt will not win this state for Kerry.
Gep has never won a statewide office and, outside of his St. Louis district, he will actually cost Kerry several percentage points in a state that could have been competitive.
There are only two VP choices who could help Kerry here: Edwards or Clark.
Sorry, mates, but Gephardt creeps me out. He too mushy on too many issues. He would not excite the public at large.
Edwards 2008.
what does this do to our numbers in the House? Don't we want to keep him in congress? Clark for Sec. Def.
"Agreeance"? What, are you Fred Durst?
- Toby Petzold
Say what you want about Fred Durst (I do, to anyone who will listen), but he only lied about boning Britney Spears.
Smarter trolls, please.
SQUEAK
Anybody would make a better Sec. of Labor than Ebenezer Chao,who seems to think that god created the corporation,but the so-called liberal media staged a coverup.
Gephardt would drag the ticket to the bottom of the Bay of Fundi. One of the only people in the world who makes Dick Cheney look witty and lively? Gimme a break. Labor Secretary indeed, and Clark or Edwards for VP.
Gephardt's health plan was the best of the Dem contenders (of all the half-baked ones that Dems have to offer for fear of getting Hillaried) but he's too much of a 'blah', too associated with caving in, and too easily seen as the guy who Newt Gingrich shat all over during the late 90s. Give him Labor, and give Edwards the VP spot. No-brainer.
And Clark's still a bit too haphazard and erratic for the VP spot. Sorry, but I saw his campaign stuff. As much as I'd like to see him cream Cheney, I don't think it would happen. Edwards, on the other hand, could steamroller that fucker into the ground.
Actually, that's a thought -- what if an Edwards / Cheney debate ended in Big Dick keeling over with a coronary?
is it true that mccain might be bush's vp? that would be very, very bad.
Cheney will remain the VP for Bush because they don't want any VP that would run for president in four years, they are leaving that spot open for Jeb. And then eight years later it will be P.
i hope you're right. wait, who is P?
"Agreeance"? What, are you Fred Durst?
Wow, you picked up on the pop culture reference. Now go find your goat and get back to what you do best.
Gep for VP would indeed spell doom. Gep for Labor would be grand. Dean for HHS? Clark for SecDef? Richardson for State?
Nice VP debate scenario, anonymous in nc. “Course Dean could bring on the same coronary and then save Mr. Cheney’s life in a marvelous, mouth-to-mouth Christian display of Conservative Compassion. (Makes me want to spit, just thinking about it...)
Speaking of Dean, I must not be the only Deanlover still seething over Gep’s Iowa rhetoric. If the Dem’s run Gep, I give up on ‘em. Probably won’t vote Nadar, but will burn my Yellowdog Democrat hat and be an active third-party enemy for the rest of my life, after slouching to the polls and voting for Kerry with almost as much loathing and disdain as I feel for The GOP.
All of the people who donated to Dean should express their feelings on this potentially tragic VP choice.
tellus@johnkerry.com
Gep for Labor Sec? Sure, have at it, cabrone. Strut and fret a few more hours on the stage.
Clark can't be Secretary of Defense. You have to be away from the military for 10 years before you can take that position. He'd be a good pick for VP except that the press already have their rovemotif for him: kinda crazy.
So we have:
Bill Clinton: Petty Overachiever and Moral Slimebucket
Al Gore: Liar
John Kerry: Waffler
Wes Clark: Kinda Crazy. Also an Arkansas Rhodes Scholar succesful in every endeavor in his life - and that means trouble!
Howard Dean: Full Blown Psycho
(George Bush: Popular Wartime President
Dick Cheney: Gravitas, Man!)
So I suppose anyone who gets the VP nod will be trashed with a Republican tag, but the press will toy with him/her for weeks first. Fresh meat.
P. would be George Prescott Bush, nephew of W., son of Jeb and grandson of the BITCH!
Anonymous in NC -- I like 'em both; I just think Clark's got a bit more gravitas than Edwards at this point. I'll admit John's a better off-the-cuff talker, like a green but already capable Clinton.
Re: the debate outcome -- I could see it, but I admit that [a] I'd rather see Dick try his gritted-teeth insult comedy in chains before the Hague, and [b] I tend to agree with Eric Idle's assessment -- "Your pacemaker must be a fake, you haven't got a heart...."
Personally I'd prefer Edwards, but Gephardt would be a fine vp.
He was the leader of the progressive wing of the democratic party under Clinton--fighting against his own president vs. NAFTA, etc.
He went along with a war he felt he could not stop (Bush chould have just ignored congress), bu passing a resolution that at least forced Bush to make a showing of going to the UN. (Kerry was also pro-war, and Dean, actually, would probably have voted for the resolution, too.)
Gephardt is a principled if not ultra-charismatic leader. He frames issues clearly and is not a timid democrat (everyone uses his "miserable failure" line).
Also, if Kerry is as he says honestly concerned to pick someone who'd be a capable president, Gephardt is a solid choice. And I think Gephardt would be a great person to have around to help work the legislative process.
He also provides me with a bit of encouragement that a Kerry presidency wouldn't drift entirely to the middle. Remember that Gep.'s platform was probably the most progressive of the major candidates. He was for example the only major candidate to push for truly universal health-care.
So while he might not be a thrilling candidate, Gephardt would not be some kind of earth-shattering disaster, either.
I think he'd be fine.
Labor Sec yes, VP hell no!
no THAT is acceptable. VP? no fucking way. SIXTEEN YEARS NOT FOUR.
Amen, pansypoo! NO NO NO Gep! Please!
Gephardt is a principled if not ultra-charismatic leader.
Sorry MarkDQ, I don't want to get in a pissing contest with you over this, but I couldn't let that statement go by without commenting.
The man showed he has absolutely no principles by what he did to Dean even though Gephardt knew he had no chance of winning.
He brings nothing to the table but labor (who mostly backed Dean earlier) so it would seem to me that labor will go Democratic with or without Gephardt. Why make the ticket even more mediocre by bringing this guy on?
I agree with HTinNC. "If the Dem’s run Gep, I give up on ‘em...after slouching to the polls and voting for Kerry with almost as much loathing and disdain as I feel for The GOP."
Gep caught Kerry in a little trist a few years back in a Congressional sauna. Gep has threatened to go public if he isn't put on the ticket.
Yes, friends, that's the kind of VP we're going to be dealing with.
If John Kerry wants a nice dull VP who won't steal his thunder, then how about Bob Graham? Consider:
1. He's from the ultimate swing state (Florida) and is actually well-liked there.
2. He has a great deal of foreign policy expertise and will reassure moderates and independents who worry that the Democrats can't keep them safe from terrorism.
3. Since he will likely never run for President again, all of the folks (Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Howard Dean) who are itching to run in 2008 or 2012 will work hard for the ticket.
4. He voted AGAINST the Iraq War Resolution, which, at the time, was a very risky and politically unpopular move.
The vote against IWR is his greatest asset, since it will likely placate most of the anti-war crowd and take a lot of the wind out of Ralph Nader's sails.
George Romero as campaign manager?
Eyewitnesses say they are ordinary-looking people. Some say they appear to be in a kind of trance.
Gep is retiring. - and he would still suck at VP. He ran for pres how many times and failed? We're going to need a serious national security type, like Clark.
Richard Gephardt - the best labor secratary in the history of the US!
Where has Kerry been anyway and what are stances ? Thats what people who have spent months and months posting and pulling articles of truth out should be asking themselves..
All I see is wall to wall gw war speeches and now group hugs and kisses with John McCain which was good for a few points in the polls...
Gephardt ? please no...
the democratic party is a friggin mess...
Making Gephardt the choice for veep would triple Nader's support. I believe that Wesley Clark is our best choice. If Kerry/Clark debated Bush/Cheney the Democratic candidates would have as many silver stars as the Republicans collection of drunk driving arrests.
I can see Gephardt as Secr. of Labor. He has a lot of experience with labor issues. I wish folks would start talking about Dean for chair of the FCC.
Must. Dispell. Silly Notions.
Clark cannot be SecDef. Have to be out of the military for ten years to be eligible.
And that 'erratic campaign' image Clark is accused of? Reminds me of the 'Gore invented the internet' meme.
The man has campaigned for Kerry more than ANY OTHER democrat since his step down from the running.
Further, he won OK and came in second in two other primaries. After coming in late with no political experience. I am rather impressed with that. And Clark's learning curve gave me much to ponder for the future.
IMO, I think it rather rudderless for people to bash the political system because they don't trust the politicos, and then when a non-politician steps into the foray, he/she gets pummeled for being unpolished. Can't have it both ways, people.
Clark for VP. Or Sec of State.
I'd rather have Ja Ja Binks as secretary of labor than Gephardt, and I live in Missouri.
MYOB'
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Definitely agreed! The only worse role than V.P. for Gephardt would be Sec. of Defense.
Gephardt's VP look comes the same week Kerry focuses on job issues.
Floating Gephardt as VP now increases Kerry's media coverage, gives Gephardt some props, attracts labor to Kerry's campaign.
Howdy.
Well, if Kerry does choose Gephardt as his Veep candidate, the debates will be Dick vs Dick -- on every level.
Actually, that's a thought -- what if an Edwards / Cheney debate ended in Big Dick keeling over with a coronary? -- anonymous in nc
I'd had the thought of Edwards steamrollering Cheney into the ground but your thought of how that debate ends just -- well -- my my -- good on you, anon nc.
What Taff said.
Hmmm. I must post a second comment here.
The level of hostility to Gephardt that one sometimes finds is worrying to me.
Gephardt is a serious Democrat who deserves a lot more respect than he usually get among latte-drinking circles.
Gephardt stood for universal health-care in the US. Doesn't that mean anything to anyone?
He fought for NAFTA *against* his own president and right-leaning Dems like Howard Dean.
He was for eliminating federal laws punishing people for using marijuana.
His proposals on alternative energy and education, and on promoting an international wage were far-reaching and visionary.
I realize his manner is kind of farmer-like, and he neither drives a volvo or sips lattes. But jeeze.
The guy stands for the most progressive platform this side of Kucinich of Nader and he just gets the shaft, even from people who'd happly vote for pro-Iraq-war Kerry.
And the fact is that he'd probably be a very useful vp and a fine president if he needed to be.
The degree to which nominal "progressives" simply overlook Gephardt's policy proposals, job qualifications, and entire career, and just slam him on issues of personal style just bewilders me.
Gephardt might not be the very best choice, but he surely doesn't deserve the gratitous disrespect that likens him to George Bush, etc.
MarkDQ
p.s. To pandy: at the time of Iowa, Gep was *leading* Dean, until he was attacked by Deanicas, who's candidate was unelectable (as everyone outside the blogosphere knew). Dean sank Gephardt, allowing the more conservative and (this is true) *less* charismatic Kerry to steal the nomination.
The repugnicans have a leg up by being incumbants, right?
Consider the notion that most people don't vote for Prez candidates because of their VP choice. In doing so, consider how much the office of VP has changed since Mondale went to funerals.
The Elder bush had a hand in Iran-Contra; so he wasn't fiddling his thumbs.
Gore did a lot in his eight years, including commissions of Airport security and eliminating wasteful gov't spending.
And, Cheney. Cheney--in most of our left leaning eyes--runs the whole messed up office of Prezident. Mistake after mistake, all roads lead to Cheney.
My point is who among available VPnominees can provide the practical pluses of a Cheney? Things which come to mind is trying to work with the House (hopefully, a Democratic one); Who has not been in that bubble of the Senate where everyone likes the sound of their own voice? Who provides some grease to the machinery of Washington?
I got my fill of gripes against Gephardt going back from years to the Iowa caucuses this year, but, he offers a lot in terms of complement to Kerry. He doesn't stutter, he has a military record, he's a lawyer and he knows the town. He is also a part of the Democratic party that nader is targetting in his Kamikazee flyby.
Does he have the balls to wither attacks from the echo chamber? Dunno.
Does he have the capacity to do what is needed to gain the upper hand, table-turning? I would think so.
My point is he can play the politics game as well as if not better than any VP in recent memory. Considering at this point there will be a GOP house and senate, you got to have someone to compromise and past a honey moon, Kerry won't get much slack.
If I thought with certainty that the GOP congress would fade away post Nov. and that only bad news would haunt CREEP, I'd have no problem with Edwards, but, from a pramatic standpoint, Gephardt is the better choice.
I wouldn't mind being surprised with someone even better--someone not currently in the media radar.
MarkDQ:
Lord i wish i could go to bed tonight believing that Dean sank Gep. It would be with a smile, for a change...
...Pragmatic standpoint...
Edwards is too much gloss.
Clark is pretty much a non-insider with credentials which impress the intelligensia but no domestic governing experience.
Graham. I would not want to see that debate or have to go through the tedium of the media's obsession with the Graham diaries (not as titilating as Packwoods but...)
Cumo(?) ....another NorEast'r on the ticket (Cohen or Mitchell would make better choices to go for the middle of the roader if you must go from the NE)
South by Southwest: Richardson is out; Edwards thinks he's in. On either, they'd do the party more of a service (like any sitting Governor or Senator and do what they were *elected* to do.
A unity ticket? puhlease. What sign of weakness would that be? I think Sam Nunn would be aces over Cohen, McCain or some other GOP.
I can hear it now: Kerry and a republican on one ticket: The FOP and the GOP,or, the flipflopper who can't even stay with his own party.
No unity ticket.
bah.
Why can' t the democrats just have some dude who can say "Back OFF!" and have people know he's serious and doesn't come across as an opportunist of sorts?
The Dems have a weak presidential candidate trying to find somebody as No. 2 to make him look more presidential.
Can anybody say Dan Quayle?
Dick "War Resolution/Rose Garden Photo Op" Gephardt deserves every bit of the hostility being shown here. Over 800 American soldiers and God knows how many Iraqis are dead because this self-interested a**hole helped rush us into a deeply stupid and immoral war.
The Dems have a weak presidential candidate trying to find somebody as No. 2 to make him look more presidential.
Hah. 
Whatever Kerry's weaknesses, it would be nearly impossible for anyone to look less presidential than Nero Bush.
The Dems have a weak presidential candidate trying to find somebody as No. 2 to make him look more presidential.
Can anybody say Dan Quayle?
Which is why I didn't mention the Quaylester.
A prez candidate who stronger and beyond electability would be a strong leader, good politician and has good ideas most people could get behind would be swell. But, Dems need to play the hand the DLC or DNC dealt last winter.
A Throw the Bums Out election is fine. But having an inspiring presidential candidate who people can get behind who soundly defeats the incumbant would be great. So far, I'm thinking most people just want the bums out.
Judging by the comments here, it looks like pretty much anyone Frankenkerry picks will be a huge letdown. He'll probably take Edwards since the guy is a baggageless smiler who knows how to brighten up the place. Especially since the dark cloud hanging over Lurch will need to be mitigated with something pleasant. But Edwards won't help with the South, which I figure has already been written off, anyway.
Of course, if y'alls presumptive nominee had any balls, he'd pick a total rock star like Hillary. She would energize the base like no one else. As I have said before, she could be sold on the idea if she were promised to be made into something like a co-President with an unprecedented amount of power. Lurch could just set her off on some big task and let her run with it. But he doesn't want to be "overshadowed," which is a joke since he's shown that he can be overshadowed by even a dead President for a whole week. And now he's gonna be overshadowed by the Priapist-in-Chief's book tour, soon to be followed by a successful transition to the new Iraqi government, and maybe even a surprise or two from Bushitler.
Oh, well. I know how much y'all are missing Dean these days. Yeeeaaarrrrggggghhhhhh!!!
He'll probably take Edwards since the guy is a baggageless smiler...
If Edwards is the Smiler, does that make Cheney the Beast?
Set bowel disruptors to prolapse! heh heh.
Seriously, Edwards or Clark is ok by me. The only thing about Gephardt is he has the stench of loser about him. He's been running for President since, what, 1988? Big yawn. I'm still kinda hoping Big John will surprise all of us.
But Hilary? What is it with repugs and Hilary? Notice they're the only ones in favor of the idea.
Righteo
I proposed the same on DU.
Gep for Labor Secretary and Eliot Spitzer for AG.
Gep would be a huge disaster as VP, as he would alienate vast groups of voters.
Robert Reich!
MarkDQ,
Gep is a good man.
Most of us know that he is, but it's that we need someone exciting.
Argghh!!! I'm NOT in agreeance! The last thing we want is a protectionist as Labor Secretary!
Hillary.
I'm also amazed at the dittoheads' obsession with Hillary.
I don't like Hillary and I'm a progressive.
I have nothing for or against Hillary.
I just don't want her anywhere near the presidency.
OT, but related to the present:
Democratic Platform story from the nytimes
It even has Robert Reich,!
Kerry may surprise us with his VP pick.
One person nobody mentions is Max Cleland.
Many of us were and remain underwhelmed by the "they-may-have-invented-writing-but-are-only-ten-
minutes-away" horsebleep. The shock & awe bombings of a city of five million souls who did nothing to us until we did something to them don't have us swollen up like ticks either. I blame that punk chump little albino smarm Richard Gephardt for his snuggle-up-to-the-preznit's-butt-sammy-davis-jr.-
imitation as much as I do the sock puppet phonus balonus pretend to be the preznit. Phuque Richard Gephardt. He is unclean and half-smart. Let him get a real job. If there was a Gawd, he would know that the punoid cipher has been sucking on the public tit more than long enough.
Kerry/Clark '04
Jewish dwarves and paraplegics? Y'all are really thinking outside the box, which is actually where you belong.
Stick with Edwards: he's got the "Two Americas" thang down cold, which will nicely complement Kerry's "Two Positions on Anything" strategy.
Sorta like Nero, who was against a 9/11 commission. But after he was shamed into it, pretended that it was his idea.
Or his charade at the UN, saying he would ask for a vote and then... forgetting he said any such thing.
And then there's the Plame incident, in which he claimed he would be cooperating fully with the investigation. But he still has not, apparently, asked anyone on his staff if they were involved. If he were really in charge of this administration, he could solve this matter in five minutes. So is he really not in control, or is he simply choosing to shield a traitor in the White House?
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