HULK SMASH!!!
Remember that time Biden courageously took the lead on an issue?
Nope. Me neither.
Ooooh. Stab, twist, wiggle, yank.
ot -- the curse of dr. frankenstein
btw, the digby link leads nowhere
A perfect post.
Don't care who the Veep is. Only interested in whether Kerry can get elected. End of story.
I'm voting Kerry no matter who the VP is.
Wait! I thought VP didn't matter and we were all scolded for caring about VP selection by Atrios. I don't want Gepfart and I felt bad when Atrios said it doesn't amount to a hill of beans who Kerry picked. I strongly disagreed. Now all the sudden it matters!
Must have been a dream.
My bad.
This brings up a point though: Remember that time a vice president courageously took the lead on an issue? I really don't, unless you count Cheney's continuied hyping of the Iraq/al-Qaida link as courageous.
The bigger problem with Biden is that he doesn't really add much of anything to the ticket in terms of "dynamism" or "excitement" or any of the other generally purile things the media looks for. Too bad we can't have Gary Hart.
I would too but Biden's only a few degrees to the left of Leiberman and his macho posturing IS a hoot on the Sunday talk shows...the furrowed brow, the hair plugs, etc...cause enough there to give me pause...
I don't think it matters much. I'm not wringing my hands, just expressing an opinion about the guy.
BIDEN SUCKETH!
talk about an empty suit!
i love randi rhodes story about him.
she asked biden,"why cant you just call the president a liar?"
& he said, very condescendingly, "you always have to ask for the impossible, dont you?"
why is that so "impossible"?
I was wringing my hands over Gepfart because the thought of looking at his plastic yellow hair for four years made me ill.
Plus he's a slimeball and I would take Biden over Gephardt any day of the week although I think there are better choices than either of them.
Plus I love you Atrios but seriously, Gephart must wash his hair with bar soap to get it that color. He makes me gag.
she asked biden,"why cant you just call the president a liar?"
I still like that he sat in the oval office and told chimpy to his face that he should fire rumsfeld and cheney too.
Oh yeah, that he should quit saying what a leader he is cause if he looked behind him he'd see no one was following.
Started reading Marshall's interview and began feeling queasy. Sounds like a Charlie Wilson wannabe.
Better Biden as VP than Sec of State. Sure hope that don't happen.
FWIW, I don't think it'll be Biden, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if it was- he's competent enough to be president.
how true. i read the interview w/josh micah marshall and it reminded me how whacked biden's thinking process is.
n69n, no shit, it certainly wasn't "impossible" four years ago, was it?
Joe Biden can go fuck himself. He'd probably plagiarize his acceptance speech anyway.
I want a REAL Democrat for VP. It would be nice if Kerry could through the anti-Iraq War (note I didn't say pacifist) crowd a bone. Senators Bob Graham or Carl Levin, maybe?
Agree entirely. Biden is a fount of D.C. conventional wisdom and phony gravitas. He's also never struck me as smart or analytically strong as someone in his position should be. Although I may agree with Biden more, I have more respect for Richard Lugar, the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee on which Biden is the ranking minority member. I sort of cringe when he's the guy representing the Dems on foreign policy issues.
Also, why can't we at least have a vice president who was right on the war authorization vote, particularly now that the majority of Americans believe the war was a mistake. Even if we can't get that, Edwards would be far preferable to Biden.
If he were willing (and I can understand if he wasn't), Gore as VP would be a truly inspired choice.
What about Sam Nunn? Coservative, Southern, Balls...etc....
And, who the heck could it be who hasn't been discussed ad nauseum in the media (y'know, besides Gephardt, Edwards, etc)?
Two words about Biden: Neil Kinnock
OK, but only if Lieberman says no...
Few of you young folk probably remember that he was hounded out of the presidential race a few years back by the discovery that he was a plagiarist.
Let us also never forget his shameful performance during the Thomas nomination.
He is really a moron with an idiotic fake, strained smile on his face.
But I do remember well him standing on the Capitol steps being interviewed on 9/11 when the coward-in-chief was wetting himself as he skipped across the country one step ahead of Saddam -- er Sammy bin Laden.
Aris beat me to it. I think Biden's an asset, but he's also an asshole. And the Kinnock plagiarism hangs over him even today.
I've really grown fond of Bob Graham over the past year. Initially, he struck me as absent minded, maybe even befuddled. But that impression quickly changed. He is among the most cogent members of his Caucus. I am sorry the Senate is losing him.
(and reading the TPM interview, Biden's also gone down a few rungs on the potential SecState nomination under Kerry. Holbrooke, on the other hand...)
Why is it that the only VP candidates being -- at least publicly -- considered are white men?
I'm also going to vote for Kerry no matter who he picks, but I am hoping like crazy that he avoids another Lieberman. All we need is more of that ridiculous Joementum bullshit, and I'd say Biden is full of that. Or full of something.
Not Gep, either. His eyes and eyebrows (or lack thereof) and hair scare me.
Digby mentioned Biden's role in the Thomas confirmation, but without bringing up the money quote from Biden's later retrospective musings, to the effect that he "could have sunk Thomas with the sex stuff," or words to that effect.
And yet Joe failed to do that. Does anyone think that a GOP Senator in the same position, then or now, would have hesitated for a microsecond before destroying the nominee?
So let's see, we've got Clarence on the high court for life, thanks to Joe B. Also thanks to Joe, we have the odious RAVE Act, which reads as though Ashcroft himself dictated it verbatim. And we have the novel argument that the Resident's failure to find the promised WMD in Iraq "didn't matter," again from Joe.
Just about the only politically harmless thing Biden has ever done has been to shamelessly plagiarize an old Neil Kinnock speech during his own failed Presidential bid, in which JB revoiced his own comfortable suburban upbringing as having been a Dickensian hell of privation and misery. What a useless old tool.
If Biden's the VP nominee, I won't even bother to vote. I'll be down at the New Zealand consulate applying for citizenship.
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Is Biden really any worse than Gephardt?
Kuchinich, Graham, Edwards, Clark, Dean all the former presidential nominees would be good choices.
But Gephardt or Biden are like TV dinners. Filling the need, but hardly something to get enthusiatic about, in a positive OR negative way.
Biden pissed me off royally to an enormous degree the day that he forced the "RAVE Act", supposedly an anti-drug act, through the Congress wtihout a freaking vote.
(That was the bill that makes the owner of any facility, house, music facility etc. liable and subject to prison time if someone is caught using drugs on their grounds...an act which basically could make any sort of concert venue/live music facility illegal, if it was truly employed as it could be)
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If Biden's the VP nominee, I won't even bother to vote. I'll be down at the New Zealand consulate applying for citizenship.
So Kerry/Biden is in your mind as unworthy of office as Boy King/GFY™ Chenron?
Is Biden really any worse than Gephardt?
Yes.
Oh and monica_nyc, your absolutely right, thank you for bringing that up!
I'm sure there's a qualified black/white woman or black man that could serve as VP as well as anyone else.
I have to ask to, why only white men?
Absolutely. I can't stand the guy. If Bush was popular, right now, Biden would be elbowing Lieberman and Zell out of the way to talk about how well he works with the president.
I've also been surprised at all the support I've seen for Nunn. The man is a CONSERVATIVE.
monica, I have wondered that myself, but, it says a lot about the two parties, doesn't it?
Sure the Dems have "rising stars" in female governors and Congressfolk,;and there is Ford in Tennessee and Obama in Illinois, plus, Richardson in NM, for color. But, there isn't a Colin Powell or other moderate to liberal big names in the non-white male category who would make America go: oh yeah, now you're talking to me, too!
Jesse Jackson shot himself in the foot and and Black Congressman are just regionally well known.
Gary Locke from Wa state may not deliver much but of most non-white males in the Dem party, he's somewhat "established", hasn't been involved in amazing contraversies (said something he's regretted) and has a plus record (economic downturn, budget problems notwithstanding.)
Draft Dean is threatening a Convention floor fight if Kerry doesn't pick Dean as his running mate?
Is that true?
But Gephardt or Biden are like TV dinners. Filling the need, but hardly something to get enthusiatic about, in a positive OR negative way.
Dr. Morpheus
I agree about Gephardt. He's not that bad, although I recognize some disagree.
Anyway, if he does become the Veep, you all may learn what a Hoosier is and acquire a taste for toasted ravioli!
I have to ask to, why only white men?
Dr. Morpheus
I say send Barack Obama straight to the top (well, almost the top)! Why delay a few years the inevitable!
If not Obama, then why not Nancy Pelosi?
remember the anti-rave act? joe's little gift to the rightist drug fighters...anyone or group hosting or producing any gathering such as a rock concert, etc. is libel for fines up to and including $250,000.usd if anyone
attending were to be bustedfor any drug offense...the government has used this unreasonable law too intimidate
producers of pro marijuana gatherings
where it would be reasonable to expect at least pot smoking...thanks for nothing joe, you asshole...
he's nowhere near presidential quality
and is too fucked up about too many
important factors in our country...
no on joe...
jumpin infront of more informed commentarors, biden is a putz (think rave acts).
It's all well and good to gossip, titter, writhe and moan over the variously unpalatable choices....those with hairplugs and those with no eyebrows...etc.
But I'm with Chuck S. and monica_nyc.
Any VP is better than Cheney. In fact, let's all gather in a circle and chant: ABC.
I keep hearing from sundry posters, here and elsewhere, that they will refuse to vote for Kerry if their favored choice isn't chosen, or if their least favored choice IS chosen. Please, please... the house is on fire and we can't afford to fiddle.
In many ways Clark gives us the best of both worlds--critic of Iraq war for the left, career military for the center.
Arguments against Edwards? Anyone?
If Bush was popular, right now, Biden would be elbowing Lieberman and Zell out of the way to talk about how well he works with the president.
you hit the nail on the head, there, hunny!
Arguments against Edwards?
Not enough experience to be preznit. I understand that this has not always been a disqualifying factor for v-preznit.
monica, I have wondered that myself, but, it says a lot about the two parties, doesn't it?
That's exactly it. And the situation reminds me that I really don't understand how the two parties think, as it were, and operate as structures.
Can I also add, NO GEPHARDT!
In terms of non-white VP choices, there was some talk about Congressman John Lewis from Georgia for a while. He's got a lot more national visibility because of his role as a civil rights leader in the 60's, and he's always been my top choice. Of the guys who've been talked about the most recently though, it's really hard to say why Kerry would pick any of them other than Edwards.
If not Obama, then why not Nancy Pelosi?
smarty jones
I'm in complete agreement with you Smarty.
As an Illinois resident I'm really thrilled at the chance to vote for Obama.
It would be even better if it were a vote for him for VP!
Oh, and if we're going to restrict ourselves to BWPs (Boring White People) then Edwards or Clark are pretty good choices.
Actually my list I made above, Kuchinich, Graham, Edwards, Clark, Dean would be the order of preference for me for the VP slot.
Again, only if we're talking about BWPs.
Unfortunately, I do remember when Biden took the lead on an issue.
Anyone remember the RAVE act?
If Biden's on the ticket, I'm going to have to vote third party. Let's throw people in jail for 25 years because they organized a rave in which a drug dealer showed up. Way to protect freedom, Joe.
Meanwhile, the Republicans have seemingly always chosen their VPs as assassination insurance.
I have to comment that I didn't know about Biden and the "RAVE Act". But then again we have Tipper Gore and her neo-HUAC hearings too.
WTF is wrong with Boomer politicians? Didn't they listen to rock and roll growing up? Didn't they party at all?
Geez, it's an embarrassement.
I've always thought of myself as a very liberal Democrat. When I read posts like this and the comments associated I recognized that apparently I'm fairly middle of the road. Biden would be a great pick. It's not that I and other so-called moderate Dems want to cater to Repubs its that we actually like guys like Biden and Kerry.
I personally hope it's Clark. I don't (unfortunately) think we have a woman with the national defense creds as VP that are necessary this time. I'd be delighted with Edwards as well, although no national defense creds, he'd be great on the domestic side and he's very smart.
Plus, I fantasize about a VP debate between Cheney and Edwards.
But whoever it is, I really hope it's someone who would actually make a good president.
WTF is wrong with Boomer politicians? Didn't they listen to rock and roll growing up? Didn't they party at all?
They did, and now they bend over backward to come out against drug use and that sort of thing because they're afraid otherwise the Repugs will use their silence or moderation as a club against them.
"See, (so-and-so)'s in favor of giving dope to kids!!"
The bigger problem is that the Repugs will, and often do anyway. You can't win.
Biden represents imho Delaware ,home of the CORPORATION$$$$$$$
Why is it that the only VP candidates being -- at least publicly -- considered are white men?
Nature of the beast. And Jennifer Granholm's Canadian by birth.
Today's Boston Globe floated the rumor that Teresa Heinz Kerry and Elizabeth Edwards are not overly fond of each other...
I'm skeptical as to what impact,if any, this will have on the VP selection process, but ya never know..
"acquire a taste for toasted ravioli!"
My father was from St. Louis, and this is how my mother made them:
Start with a box of frozen ravioli (cheese is tastiest, but tends to explode). Toss in hot oil and deep-fry. Blot off with plenty of paper towels and roll in grated Parmesan. Bizarrely, the cheap kinds of ravioli work better here, and even the infamous cheese in the green cylinder actually works in this context.
Absolutely crucial: do not take the ravioli out of the freezer until shortly before use. Separate them (no more than two together) and dust off the excess flour with a pastry brush. Some folks like to dip them in egg and crumbs before frying, but we think these are crunchy enough without.
All you need to know is that Don Imus likes Biden...
thinks he or Guiliani should be president. Of course he also liked Big Russ and Me.
Agreed. I'm not even that crazy about the idea of him as secretary of state for exactly the reservations you cited. Well aimed, he's very strong, but once he's off the mark he's a danger to everybody.
Of course both things are true that
1) I would vote for Kerry/Random Banana Slug enthusiastically on Nov. 2; but,
2) Some choices would make me happier than others;
But of course, it isn't me (or those of you like me) that Kerry is trying to make happy (see #1).
monica_nyc is, of course, right, I was just saying the exact same thing earlier today. The fact that in 2004 the Dems can only come up with White males is pretty damn depressing. Hopefully the rising generation (esp. Obama and, hey, Jennifer Granholm if Hatch gets to change the constitution) will make things different.
Begala was floating Franklin Raines the other day, but I think that that's just him wanting to put forward a friend/colleague.
Re: Minority possibilities
There are, of course, lots of minority dems who are qualified. What they aren't is well known, primarily because the media don't get all "Look! There's a minority Democrat!" about them the way they do with black, female, ect Rethugs. Consequently, choosing an unknown but qualified minority Dem for veep would result in a lot of "Who the hell is that?!" coverage from the corporate republican media.
Oh, man. You all need to pick up Richard Ben Cramer's book WHAT IT TAKES and re-read the Biden chapters. The first one begins "Joey Biden had balls...."
You get a much better sense of him than his interviews. Ben Cramer debunks the Neil Kinnock thing, goes through Biden's life story, shows what he's made of. The guy is good on foreign policy *and* legal affairs, and he (apparently, according to Ben Cramer) can tear up a room.
I read that book years ago and I was hoping Biden would make the run for President this year. I'd be thrilled to see him as VP. Give him another look....he's the real thing.
Oh, you can read a lot about Gephardt from Ben Cramer's book as well.....the same book made me realize that Gephardt didn't have the right stuff to be President....and I'll be moaning if it's him...
Jim, if there's good points to said VP candidate it would suck up the oxygen from Repugs trying to tar and feather Kerry and his pick...for a while.
Whoever it is has to have strong foreign policy and or nat'l security creds. for better or worse, that is needed this time around. though part of me feels bad about expressing that need for a VP pick.
Joe Biden is to Democrat as Arlen Specter is to Republican.
I tend to like Biden, but I've also noticed what others on here have pointed out. That he tends to hold his finger up to see which way the wind is blowing.
But, that being said, I will still vote for Kerry regardless of who his VP pick is. Sure there are some I would like to see, Clarke, Edwards, Dean, and those I would rather not see, Gephardt mainly. Not that I think Gephardt is a bad person, or I don't like his hair (although I don't). I always just got the impression that Gephardt was wishy washy and a wimp. Kinda like Biden although Biden's no wimp.
So Biden falls somewhere in between.
But still, eyes on the prize people.
As Plenty pointed out above, the house is on fire. Lets put out the fire and get the Arsonists out (and preferably in jail). Then lets make sure and FIX the problems our 2 party system has caused and hold the Dem's and the Repub's accountable. It's time for (Real) honest government, not just lipservice.
Oh and toasted Ravioli sounds yummy!
Cheers 
Is there a huge Anthony Zinni push out there I'm not aware of? A friend mentioned this today and I'd never heard the rumor ...
Look, Kerry's got the war hero schtick already. What he needs is some spark, some fun, and some geographic balance to the ticket.
I'm still thinking it's Edwards, because if it's not, the entire first day is about how it's not Edwards.
A.
fuck just wanting to win. we need 16, not 4 years.
and the biggest reason not biden is the hair.
I vote sarcastic. Therefore, I vote Biden.
C'mon, you know you want it. The dripping word balloons will not be denied.
If Biden would take a break from patting himself on the back for
a) speeches he gave which turn out to be uncannily prescient AND/OR
b) advice which he privately gave to Kerry,the President and the Pope, which turned out to be uncannily prescient
AND/OR
c) dreams which he described in hia diary that turned out to be uncannily prescient. . .
. . .then maybe I wouldn't want to smack him up the side of the head so much.
Really, it's all "as I said 40 years ago, while still in high school" and "as I told the President when he called begging for my wisdom" and "as I mentioned in a speech which nobody covered." I, I, I, I, I.
To hear Biden go on, all the mistakes/tragedies of the last 20 years can be wrapped up in a big "things I knew but no one listened to me, wahwahwahwaha."
Yep, he's gotta a lot of good points. But he is one HELL of a self-grandizing, irritating, know-it-all.
Elections/Campaigns are not helped by those such as he.
eileen from OH
If Biden would take a break from patting himself on the back for
a) speeches he gave which turn out to be uncannily prescient AND/OR
b) advice which he privately gave to Kerry,the President and the Pope, which turned out to be uncannily prescient
AND/OR
c) dreams which he described in hia diary that turned out to be uncannily prescient. . .
. . .then maybe I wouldn't want to smack him up the side of the head so much.
Really, it's all "as I said 40 years ago, while still in high school" and "as I told the President when he called begging for my wisdom" and "as I mentioned in a speech which nobody covered." I, I, I, I, I.
To hear Biden go on, all the mistakes/tragedies of the last 20 years can be wrapped up in a big "things I knew but no one listened to me, wahwahwahwaha."
Yep, he's gotta a lot of good points. But he is one HELL of a self-grandizing, irritating, know-it-all.
Elections/Campaigns are not helped by those such as he.
eileen from OH
Just glad I don't have to be the first to mention that horrid RAVE ACT shit.
A woman or minority candidate will get on the ballot when she/he goes out, does the groundwork, gathers the organization, raises the money, travels the country, masters the oratory, inspires the supporters, fights the fight, and wins in the primaries.
Same way Boring White Guys do it, for Dems at least. Boring White Republican guys have the option of having their daddies buy it for them. 
I like Biden all right, but I don't think they'd even consider him, because he's had serious health problems. He nearly died not just once, but twice, from a brain aneurysm.
The same goes for Bob Graham. He's a great guy, but I think his heart problems rule him out.
altough OH! Eileen said it twice already, I second her emotion.
said so at Kos but don't want to plagiarize meself here.
Its interesting to me that all talk surrounding future/potential Kerry cabinet members come from Senate. We need our most experienced Senators there if big if we take over there.
There are folks in the House that could be elevated. I'd love to see John Lewis considered, but I don't know if he's got the same (displaying my ignorance here) wandering eye that MLK apparently had or some such meaningless personal indescretions. (I've got Halberstam's The Children but can't get myself to crack the 600+ page load.) Ive worked with Pelosi while she was at Foreign Apps and Select Intel, and she'd pick up State easily - the wingnuts would fight on birth control and AIDS funding, but they do anyway.
Obey would serve America well, Lee Hamilton would too.
Senators are to special interests like sponges to water.
what about Waxman from CA? After this administraiton we're gonna need somebody who knows where all the *** is.
Kerry/Biden. Who could think of a more perfect description of the dems
Zinni's a republican, with the added credential of being totally unacceptable to AIPAC.
I like Biden all right, but I don't think they'd even consider him, because he's had serious health problems. He nearly died not just once, but twice, from a brain aneurysm.
He must have been overwhelmed by a quick change in public opinion. He's a snake.
Okay, couple of things...
Really? Biden is getting talked up? I agree with Atrios that he's great when he's own, but he's generally so stand in the shadows, that what's the point? Hey, I got a kick out of his passive aggressive questioning of Ashcroft, too, but there's just no substance there.
On John Lewis, he's been an unrequited favorite of mine for a while. I know he's so far out of the pack, but I really wish they made a point of talking him up and seeing what the response is, because I think there is a lot there.
Is toasted ravioli really a St. Louis thing? Maybe I should move to St. Louis. hehe. Except I think I may darn nice ones myself. I agree that cheaper is better since the cheese is usually more solid and stays together better. I actually boil mine first, let them cool, then dip them in milk and then breadcrumbs and pop them right into my FryDaddy Jr. As good as I've gotten in a restaurant.
I've met Joe Biden. He's not a snake. He's trying to survive as a senator from DE.
Whatsamatta whichyouse? Russ Feingold!
Considering NE politics he was being honest with Rhandi Rhodes. It would have been the end of his career. DE would now have two (R) senators not one. Hey look at PA! Home of Ben Franklin. You've got Arlen Spectre. I wouldn't talk if I were you! Also, NJ is the parking lot for New York. HA!
This thread is veering into self-immolation. Can't we all just get along? (Thank you, Rodney King.)
"That scumbag! He ate my grandmother!"
... is for the Republicans. Not for us.
Hey, listen, in NJ we've got fund-raising grand master Corzine and my personal hero, Frank "Chickenhawk Killer" Lautenberg for Senators. Do not mock.
Biden shmiden. The obvious VP is Patrick Leahy. First of all, he had to go fuck himself, and for that, he gets my vote. Second of all, he's 400 years old and will need to step off the ticket in 2008, giving Hillary four years to accomplish something before getting the nod. Four years after that, she runs with Edwards, who will be an adult by then, and then we'll be back to fun democratic sex scandals, instead of all this let's-kill-everyone-and-pretend-to-be-Christian bullshit.
Dear Ivytree: I apologize. I am racked with remorse and shame. I also sleep with envy and sloth. Just ignore me. Peace hon.
If I recall, Biden was pro-Iraq invasion for years. With a consistent "we may have to go it alone" mantra for taking out Saddam.
Don't think that hawkishness would play well in this election discourse.
For our side, anyway.
I agree completely. No Biden, No Gephardt, No to anyone else except EDWARDS. Please.
1) the veep choice should not be a senator standing for re-election. we need the senate back.
2)it should not be gephardt unless we want to see the green party pull down 15% of the vote. that putrid end-run-around-the-"leadership"-photo-op-pimping-
the-war still makes me retch. gephardt is the kiss of death.
Of course, what's said about Biden's lack of leadership could at least halfway be said about JFK, too.
Twice in the past few days I've read in the Boston Globe discussing VP picks that Kerry thinks Edwards is jumping the gun. Kerry didn't like him *running* for prez because of it. "I've been in the senate for 18 years and he hasn't finished his first term and he's running?"
I'll bet any money if Edwards *isn't* the Veep pick, that's why. He doesn't think Edwards has 'paid his dues' yet.
I don't necessarily agree with this, but, let's remember, hopefully these guys will get elected which means they have to work together for the next 4-8 years. So Kerry *does* have to pick someone he's comfortable with.
pbb
Gary Locke from WA state?Don't you remember his rebut to the state of the union a couple of years ago? Im from WA and I like him, but out of his league as VP. .Way out
Yeah.
Anna,
I vaguely remember it.
I mentioned him because there was talk about him running for prez over the years. Fortunately, there are two Dems from WA state in the Senate so maybe a house seat for Locke? Not that I'm familiar with his district, mind you. Is it Repug or Democrat?
I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Wu's Pigs that the sitting Dems shouldn't be in the running. Actually, I thought that back last Fall. Which, would have resulted in no Kerry as the (sigh) presumptive nominee.
But, since Graham and Edwards (idiot) are not running for re-election for their seats....
Edwards is an idiot because if he stayed in the Senate and if the Dems get control back of that body, he could hone his chops beyond seeming like an overly ambitious poser. Does anyone recall him stumping for Kerry in June and as he went through his routine he ended by saying this is why HE, John Edwards, deserves to be president. He was in his Primary groove while stumping for KERRY.
If I know that, certainly the Kerry campaign knows about that.
He's great to make connections with his 2 Americas speech on the campaign trail, but, as a VP candidate, Cheney would chew him up. Hell, Cheney would probably say: "Breck girl, go fuck yourself" --or, something more discreet--and Edwards would do the Quayle in the headlights.
Remember the gay marraige question during one of the primary debates? That is where Edwards will and has shown he can fumble.
Gore as Clinton's man knew his stuff so he didn't need coaching when he debated Quayle or Ross Perot on Larry King. Edwards would to take on Cheney.
my 2 pennies.
"Edwards wouldn't do all that well against Cheney" is what I meant to type.
And, shoulda typed the "Larry King Show". Gore and Perot didn't debate one another while standing on top of King. heheh.
Robot Biden had a plastic plate put in his head so he can reach the on-off switch if his temps get too high.
The best choice for VP is STILL John Kerry.
Gore/Kerry '04.
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But, it's going to be Kerry/Gephardt, you just know it, because Kerry is EXACTLY that dull.
He is also quite a bit of a prig who is offended by ambition in others, so that comment on Edwards is right on, and the same applies to Dean, who Kerry no doubt considers an uppity governor.
It's Classic Dem, at half the sugar. And, yeah, 'our' party has turned us into beggars who will take anything. WHAT an accomplishment, for which they are proud as purple.
Yeah, he's bright and well spoken. But he had his chance and he blew it. I'll always cherish his reported remarks to Bush about ditching Rumsfeld and Cheney, though.
If the short list being bandied about is correct: Edwards, Gephardt, Vilsac(sp?), then if it's Vilsac the announcement will come next week. If it's Edwards, it'll come just before the convention, if it's Gephardt, . . . . "Luuuucyyy, you got some 'splaining to do."
The Washington Post
March 11, 1992, Wednesday, Final Edition
SECTION: FIRST SECTION; PAGE A1
LENGTH: 1632 words
HEADLINE: Keeping the U.S. First;
Pentagon Would Preclude a Rival Superpower
"The memo was drafted under supervision of Paul Wolfowitz, undersecretary for policy. Although it is not supplied to Congress and was not intended for public release, the document represents a response at the highest levels of the Pentagon to a growing call in the American political debate for retrenchment from commitments abroad."
"Much of the document parallels the extensive public statements of Defense
Secretary Richard B. Cheney and Gen. Colin L. Powell, chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff."
"The policy plan restates support for a set of seven classified scenarios
prepared by the Pentagon describing hypothetical roads to war by the end of the century. Those scenarios, reported late last month by the New York Times and Washington Post, included an American-led defense of Lithuania and Poland from invasion by Russia, wars against Iraq and North Korea to repel attacks on their
southern neighbors and smaller-scale interventions in Panama and the
Philippines. The scenarios came under congressional attack by political figures in both parties, and senior defense officials then suggested that they might be revised or abandoned."
'Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.), attacking what he said was the document's emphasis on unilateral action, ridiculed it as "literally a Pax Americana. . . .
It won't work. You can be the world superpower and still be unable to maintain peace throughout the world."'
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6) In the Middle East and Southwest Asia, our overall objective is to remain the predominant outside power in the region and preserve U.S. and Western access to the region's oil."
"A strong leader on anti-crime and drug policy, Sen. Biden has been instrumental in crafting virtually every major piece of crime legislation over the last decade, including the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, also known as the Biden Crime Law. He is also the author of the landmark Violence Against Women Act of 2000, which contains a broad array of groundbreaking measures to combat domestic violence and provides billions of dollars in federal funds to address gender-based crimes."
http://www.yale.edu/strattech/92dpg.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos...ki/
Joseph_Biden
http://www.votewithavengeance.co....com/
biden.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLIT.../
cnna.irq.biden
It would be nice if Kerry could through the anti-Iraq War (note I didn't say pacifist) crowd a bone. Senators Bob Graham or Carl Levin, maybe?
Either one, but Graham would be better. Levin would have to give up his seat; Graham already has, plus Kerry's already gonna take Michigan. Florida would help more. Graham makes a good attack dog and has NatSec credentials, as well. FWIW, he's a veteran, too.
Hey, why not that Jim McDermott, the psychologist Congressman who so eloquently discussed the Bush Combine's manipulative techniques in F 9/11?
I'd never heard of him before, but I was pleased to meet him. He's got my vote!
Considering NE politics he was being honest with Rhandi Rhodes. It would have been the end of his career. DE would now have two (R) senators not one.
Both of Delaware's Senators are Dems.
Biden was on Air America. Franken and company did everyhing but genuflect.
Biden is in his Fritz Hollings mode but he always manages to cave.
This thread is why the left is irrelevant
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