HULK SMASH!!!
its not an EITHER/OR choice!!!
he's an INCOMPETENT LIAR!!!!
Rumsfeld Lying Again
I think the Dapper Don is lying still. And, yeah, still incompetent.
Rumsfeld is perfectly competent in hearing only what he wants to hear.
Link not working for me... summary? Synopsis? Something?
OT: went a little further down the linked blog and found this:
The News Hounds motto: "We watch FOX so you don't have to."
www.newshounds.us
The real sad thing...for the next 2 months I'm going to now have to deal with idiot anonymous trolls at my blog telling me about how we foudn 16 chemical weaposn shells in Iraq. And Rumsfeld and Cheney will probably keep citing this right up until October, with it only being questioned online.
God I can't stand these guys.
http://balta.blogspot.com
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That's not all. According to Reuters, a statment released by the US military in Baghdad indicated that "[d]ue to the deteriorated state of the rounds and small quantity of remaining agent, these rounds were determined to have limited to no impact if used by insurgents against Coalition Forces."
In other words, the chemical agents had broken down and no longer potent.
On the eve of a pending tectonic Plame bomb (or bust? nfw...), I think it is important to re-read the last paragraph from this , June 2003 H.A.W letter , especially now that Tenet and Pavitt have resigned...
Heres hoping chimpy and snerk have a good 4th-
all 16 empty and negative. hmmm
http://story.news.yahoo.com/
news...ns_040702184424
On the eve of a pending tectonic Plame bomb (or bust? nfw...)
Are we on the eve?
And, sorry to have to ask, what's nfw stand for?
no fucking way
here's an odd part of this sty....
was watching tonight's feed of the bbc.
seems as if the fascists have now taken charge completely of the bebe...
in a caption running below the presenter, the polish sty of finding chemical warheads in iraq was aired - WITHOUT INTRODUCING THE REAL PART OF THE STORY.
the bebe just let it hang as if finally, finally, blair and bush deceits had been revealed as the truth - that there were weapons of mass destruction in saddam's iraq.
don't rely on blair's bebe for honest journalism ever again.
Thanks, Matt.
the bebe just let it hang as if finally, finally, blair and bush deceits had been revealed as the truth - that there were weapons of mass destruction in saddam's iraq.
I don't think the media will get away with pushing that particular lie at this particular time. They're not going to regain a solid footing of support for the great Iraq misadventure.
Off-topic:
For those who think the media have learned the errors of its ways:
New York Times, 7/2/2004
Showing First Scenes of Hussein in the Courtroom
By BILL CARTER
ABC and CNN managed to outhustle their competition yesterday morning and placed the only Western journalists, aside from a news pool reporter, inside the Baghdad courtroom where Saddam Hussein was listening to the charges he will face when he goes to trial as a war criminal.
No network was more red-faced than NBC, which passed up the chance to broadcast, at the same time as every other television news outlet, the first scenes of the former dictator in the courtroom. NBC chose instead to continue a taped interview with the movie star Robert Redford, followed by a live badminton match between Katie Couric, the anchor of the network's "Today" program, and competitors from the United States Olympic badminton team.
"We made a bad call," said Allison Gollust, the spokeswoman for NBC News.
-When I think of news, I think of NBC News.
Run, Katie, run! (sarcasm)
OT Plame: Good for a laugh, but it's got to be a work of fiction.
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CHENEY 25th June -- on Fox News
CHENEY: I think there — we're finding — well, Charles Duelfer, who's now in charge of the Iraq Survey Group, was — just yesterday made announcements that they found additional cells — shells which have tested positive for sarin. And clearly, Saddam Hussein had produced or used weapons of mass destruction in the past. He used it against the Kurds; there's no question about that.
Think any reporter will ask him to recant?
Cheney can suck on my purple-helmeted warrior of truth, justice and the American way.
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"This just in....." Ronald Reagan is dead.
Rummy is the Robert McNamara of the Twenty-First Century. We'll all be better off with him gone by January '05.
OT - Just whipped this up, because of the Colin Powell Picture:
I.R.A.Q.
Words: Copyright 2004 by Tom Smith
Music: "Y.M.C.A." by The Village People
U.N., thanks for having me here,
I said, U.N., now just lend me an ear,
I said, U.N., I've got evidence clear-
ly accusing Saddam Hussein
These bums have much worse than a gun,
Like disease bombs, mustard gas by the ton,
Our axioms are, He'll use 'em for fun,
And We must... go... in... and... stop him...
It's fun invading that I-R-A-Q,
No use debating that I-R-A-Q,
He's a threat to the world, so we have to attack,
It's a good thing he can't fight back....
It's fun invading that I-R-A-Q,
Why are we waiting, get I-R-A-Q,
Hit 'em hard and fast, use a few million shells,
Then secure those oil wells....
U.N., yellowcake from Niger,
I said, U.N., conversations we hear
that said U.N. sanctions they do not fear
And they're friend... ly... with... al... Qaeda...
U.N., I am telling you this
So the U.N. will avoid getting dissed
By Dub-you, man, And he'll do it, he's pissed
Off the whole... damn... world... al... ready...
We are invading that I-R-A-Q,
Kinda Kuwait-ing that I-R-A-Q,
All my data is bull, all my motives obscure,
But compared to my bosses I'm pure...
We are invading that I-R-A-Q,
Quit hesitating, it's I-R-A-Q,
I'm destroying my rep, and you're asking me why,
Hey, remember how I hid My Lai....
Now it's been a year and a half,
And Wolfowitz is the joke of his staff,
Lib'rul pundits would just sit back and laugh
If they weren't... too... busy... crying.
Cheney, in his underground lair,
is insane, he says connections are there
'Tween Hussein-ee and al-Qaeda, nowhere
Can we find... a... shred... to... prove it...
But we invaded that I-R-A-Q,
We really raided that I-R-A-Q,
Bombed the country flat, wasted billions of bucks,
And impounded two stupid trucks.
I'm really jaded on I-R-A-Q,
We should have waited on I-R-A-Q,
But it's too late now, let's proceed with the plan,
On to North Korea and Iran....
(What's that, Chalabi? Wait on Iran? Oooookaaaay....)
I loved this line:
That's about $30 billion per shell so far, out of the pockets of American takpayers, for stuff that was 20 years old and would probably have blown up in the faces of anyone who tried to use it.
In fact, this is exactly what happened. One of these blew up in the faces of a couple of soldiers and they were back on duty the next day. It had turned into hair gel as any competent chemist could have told them.
It could be potentially much more damaging to the Bush administration to assume the truth of their prewar claims concerning WMD, rather than assume the administration either lied or was itself misled. If we assume that what they said was true, then the war's first goal (i.e. locating and destroying Iraq's WMD) has yet to be accomplished. If we assume the stockpiles exist in Iraq, but have yet to turn up, then those weapons could still end up in the hands of terrorists, or could already be in the hands of terrorists. In other words, the threat of Al Qaeda terrorists with Iraqi WMD is still very real, if we assume the WMD exist. Indeed, the threat is greater now that so many Al Qaeda have flocked to Iraq.
We cannot let the slightest evidence of WMD vindicate the administration's prewar claims. We have to get out in front of the situation, and we can do so by arguing that the administration has yet to locate the weapons, and destroy them before they fall into the hands of terrorists. The truth (whether or not Iraq actually has or had the WMD stockpiles) is of little value.
BBC headline (BBC is usually better than this):
Troops 'foil Iraq nerve gas bid'
BBC story:
...the US military said the agent was so deteriorated it posed no threat...But the US military said that while two of the rockets tested positive for sarin, traces of the agent were so small and deteriorated as to be virtually harmless.
"These rounds were determined to have limited to no impact if used by insurgents against coalition forces," a statement by the military said.
Er...
http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=...ns_040702184424
Warheads found in Iraq not chemical weapons, military says
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Multinational forces in Iraq (news - web sites) said that more than a dozen missile warheads said to contain mustard gas or sarin have tested negative for chemical agents.
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"Those 16 rounds were all empty and tested negative for any type of chemicals," it said.
...
Two other warheads found in mid-June were found to contain an insignificant amount of sarin gas. The armaments were left over from the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s...
OT-
Saw a bumpersticker today
"reelect the President
Morality, Leadership, Integrity"
I laughed out loud. These stupid fucks believe their own rovian bullshit. They are going down.
Definitely it's both things.
I also saw Don Evans on hardball saying the same old crap about the economy- everything is so fucking great and it's all the media's fault. They keep putting negative stories on the air and that makes everyone think things are bad- boo hoo hoo...
where the fuck is my 2 X 4?
Hmmm..EITHER he's lying or incompetant. Uh, maybe this librul's a little old fashioned for these new fangled neo-cons, but shouldn't NEITHER be acceptable? Just wondering...
You know IIRC David Kay was on Deborah Norville the other night. And he basically said that sure there will be old shells found, that were lost or misplaced. But that doesn't really count as WMD since most are no longer potent. I'm paraphrasing of course, I couldn't find a transcript for this show.
Anyways, yes, there surely are a few rogue shells laying around the country. BIG FUCKIN DEAL! A few shells lying around the country is NOT a threat to the United States worthy of going to war. It's not a "smoking gun" and we need to make sure it's not used as one!
There is no smoking gun. There never was, it was all just a lie to lead us to an illegal unjustifiable war where our troops are getting killed.
Incidentally, I'm no pacifist, I think Afghanistan was totally justified. And I did think Saddam still had WMD stocks (most likely), however, he was contained and was NO threat. That's what pissed me off about Iraq everything was so transparent from the beginning. Even to someone like me who KNEW Saddam was bad, and might have still had WMD's, it was obvious that there was NO LEGITIMATE reason for going to war with Iraq.
no no no MARLON BRANDO is dead.
and rummy is definately both.
Great. Now I can't stop singing it, filkertom!
Great. Now I can't stop singing it, filkertom!
clarence | Email | Homepage | 07.02.04 - 10:00 pm
Then my work here is done. 
Engineer_C-141B:
"Rummy is the Robert McNamara of the Twenty-First Century. We'll all be better off with him gone by January '05. "
You left out the words "immeasurably less intelligent" somewhere in here. McNamara may have been egregiously mistaken but he wasn't this dense.
In a Nutshell - I agree.
I believe they found more WMDs in a neighborhood of Washington, D.C. last year! Maybe we should invade N.W. Washington next!
"Residents of the upscale Spring Valley neighborhood in Northwest last night questioned officials from the Army Corps of Engineers on their discovery of a dangerous World War I-era toxic chemical in the ground near their homes."
http://tinyurl.com/yulrx
atrios, you oughta post the "Rock Paper Saddam" thats also at Sids Fish Bowl, where the Rumsfeld post came from.
this is toooooo funny:
http://bigmixup.com/rockpapersaddam/
So, if you have a weapon of mass destruction that goes off point blank and doesnt even hurt anyone, does it still qualify as WMD? I think the search for the 120 year old,blind deaf and dumb Al-Quida operative must begin immediately.
bgm, you just BEAT ME TO IT.
I'm sitting here with TEARS OF LAUGHTER streaming down my face.
Go and see why.
Later!
OT:
I want those indictments, and I want them NOW!
Is there truth to the rumor(?) that Fitzgerald's grand jury closed up shop on Wednesday? Anybody know how grand juries work, i.e., how long after the empaneled jury is released can the indictments be announced? I guess I want to know: IF the grand jury finished its work on Wednesday (and how do we find out if THAT'S true?), does the fact that we've heard nothing so far mean that there are no indictments?
He MAY HAVE used chem weapons against the US and Iraq enemy-the Kurds- TWENTY YEARS AGO (there are 7 US government reports still readily accessable, including from the US State Dept, the CIA, the US Marine Corps, and the Pentagon, which ALL concluded IRAN gassed the Kurds with a blood agent; Iraq has never had blood agents, and that BOTH Iran and Iraq were using chemical weapons; Iraq with mustard gas, rarely lethal and a field weapon for area denial; Iran a blood agent, lethal)
AMERICA used to use chemical weapons, too...like on Iraq last year.
No mention, of course, how it was AMERICA who supplied Hussein with chemical weapons, or how THE BRITS gassed the Kurds; something Winston Churchill, the man bushler likes to compare himself to, thought was a GOOD THING to do. Churchill said he didn't understand anyone's "squeamishness against poison gas" and that "gassing recalcitrant tribes" was a GOOD thing.
Also no mention of bushler's offer last year to sell NUKES and CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS to India.
And also of course no mention of the thousands of tonns of chemical and bio agents and weapons that were found buried in Maryland last year(with no paperwork; the "sign of guilt" that was "unbelievable", said bush about Saddam's lack of full paperwork)
http://lunaville.com/mt/archives...ves/
000399.html
To hear anyone in the US or UK govts make any remark whatsoever on Iraq's use of any kind of chemical weapons in the 1980s is hypocrisy beyond imagination.
filkertom, absolutey killin', gotta show my lead singer, he'll shit!
I just found a good MIDI file of YMCA. This shouldn't take long. (Anyone got a decent, complete MIDI or karaoke file of "I Fought The Law [And The Law Won]"? Everything's either incomplete, shitty, or $500.)
... and, just as I posted that, I think I found a good 'un. Atrios Audio on the way, gang.
All your WMD are belong to expired.
I don't know why all you guys are picking on Rummy. After all, what he said was, "I have not seen them and I have not tested them, but they believe that they are correct that these, in fact, were undeclared chemical weapons."
So it's all true: he didn't see them, and he didn't test them, and he didn't even say whom he meant by "they;" for all we know, he was referring to the legion of idiots who are parroting the party line as we speak.
It'll help at the trial
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you guys are screwed
http://www.townhall.com/
columnis...e20040701.shtml
The other element of this story is that the shells were being sold on the black market by Iraqis who looted them from unguarded munitions dumps. Rumsfeld decided not to allocate troops to guard the munitions dumps, despite his insistence before and since the invasion that Hussein had stockpiles of WMD all over the country.
I think we can safely infer from this decision that Rumsfeld never believed there were significant stockpiles of WMD. Still, the tens of thousands of conventional artillery shells left lying around for anyone to pick up have proved very useful -- to the insurgents -- to make IEDs -- to kill American troops and Iraqi civilians.
And the munitions dumps are still unguarded.
Rumsfeld unplugged NORAD!
Why so little talk about this on the blogs? He has lied for nearly three years that he had no involvement in 9-11, and we find out a few weeks ago (via Dowd was it?) that he changed the NORAD rules in June 01 to require them to contact him for approval before launching any flights?
That's like having a rule that if your house is on fire (perish the thought), the FD has to get ahold of the mayor before they can send any engines. Too bad! The planes banged into each other, and everyone's dead! And all because Rumsfeld was having extra egg in his Caesar's salad and couldn't be located.
And WHY is there no record of NORAD trying to reach him for the go-ahead on that day??? Either it's the rules, or it's not the rules, which is it? Both?
Now I really HAVE seen everything. Twice. It's 'double-paper,' and rock is really screwed.
An article full of poetic justice:The Most Powerful Weapon to Use Against the Neo-clowns: Their Mega-Stupidity
That artical is inbelievable! How many fucking lies to these morons think they can keep floating at the same time?
Please don't answer that. I'm already horrified.
These aren't lies.
They are Weapons of Mass Deception Related Program Activities.
That is all.
jac, no, they're Weapons of Mass Destruction Feasibility Study Related Program Simulating Fact-esque Assertions.
I think what I am trying to figure out is it just plain incompetence or is it a willful or purposeful incompetence. I am tending to think they are acting recklessly incompetent (with their actions and their words) on purpose in order to provoke more chaos and confusion.
you guys are screwed
http://www.townhall.com/
columnis...e20040701.shtml
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Ya think so?
Elder says everything is happy in munchkinland and so do you.
Larry Liar Elders is still lying? Go figure.
I guess that's why it's his middle name.
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